Bilbo's relation to Gandalf

[dmaul96]

Although I have my own opinions to what the relation actually is, it has been deemed inappropriate for Entmoot. However, other people can still post their ideas here.

[Fat middle]

huh?

[anduin]

I will leave this thread open. Anyone who feels the need to flame dmaul, go right ahead. ;)

[Eruve]

I really have no idea what you could be hinting at...

[Eruve]

I really have no idea what you could possibly be hinting at...

[Lauren Weasley]

ditto what ideas WOULD we have anyway? *that's rhetorical*

[Fat middle]

Thanks anduin, but for once i can freely flame... i cannot choose a name "worth" enough for him.

[Darth Tater]

That's just sick.

[IronParrot]

I, like Eruve, STILL do not have any idea what you could possibly be hinting at.

[Darth Tater]

If anyone wants to know what he's talking about e-mail or aim me at youthat101@aol.com It's sick, don't say I didn't warn you.

[Eruve]

Actually, I think it's safe to say, I had a pretty good idea what was meant. I made my comment sarcasticly

[Spock1]

How about Bilbo being the vehicle by which all prophesy and hopes of elves and men would work through. Had not Bilbo taken up the challenge created by Gandalf (the party and adventure) all would have been lost. We could simply leave it at that. PC is not needed here.

[Darth Tater]

Spock, I greatly prefer your idea.

[dmaul96]

I understand that this thread has caused great confusion, but why? I thought all of you read The Hobbit. Shouldn't you be experts? Since all of your simple minds are unable to interpret this relation, let the Great Jae clarify things. In the beginning, it is established that Bilbo despises the company of Gandalf. And, Gandalf is quite aware. Then, we must ask ourselves, "Why would Gandalf, such an educated creature do something so stupid?" And, the answer is very simple. We ourselves were unable to see Bilbo's image, but Gandalf was. And, the very image of Bilbo's chubby short self greatly enticed Gandalf. Every time he comes back to greet Bilbo, he comes with a greater lust than before. Each meeting is so stimulating, he can't stand being away from his greatest desire. Now, that we know what Gandalf's thinking, we must investigate Bilbo. The author vividly describes the door of Bilbo's house. He makes it seem so elaborate and decorative. If the door was so elaborate, it would be very capable of locking people out. So, why didn't Bilbo simply lock him out? It seems that Bilbo must have been doing something very special. Perhaps, even having an advenure. Although we don't know what exactly was going on, we do know that it wasn't nothing. That's what makes Bilbo's relation to Gandalf so fascinating. This topic is devoted to understanding the greatest mystery in the Lotr+Hobbit. Admin note: nothing inappropriate was edited out, dmaul just asked me to get rid of his plea to keep this post intact, which is no longer necessary since I "approved" it.

[bmilder]

Well, since you took the time to make an intelligent post and backed it up with reasons, I'll have to treat it as valid :P Your hypothesis is certainly creative. Neither of the two had wives that we know about. However, I don't think it was Tolkien's intention to hint at a possible relationship between the two. It is an interesting interpretation, though, and I'll let other people comment on it. As per your request, I will edit out your plea that your message not be deleted and hope that my fellow admins/mods will leave his post intact.

[Eruve]

If you read "The Quest of Erebor" in Unfinished Tales, you will see in full detail what Gandalf's motives behind the entire quest were. This tidbit goes a long way to shooting down your theory, which IMHO wasn't put down here seriously in any case. But since Ben is determined to take it seriously... Also, what good would it have done Bilbo to lock Gandalf out? G was perfectly capable of blowing B's door out the other side of the Hill, and B was well aware of this. B spends the whole first bit of the book treading carefully aroung G so as to not make G angry with him.

[fett96]

Hey Eruve, or should I say Homie G or Homie B. Are you too freekin lazy to write out Blilbo and Gandolf??? Anyway, I thought that the original message dmaul posted about this subject a couple months a go was a lot funnier.

[bmilder]

Perhaps, but his latest one was more intelligent. You shouldn't be chiding Eruve on abbreviation if you can't even spell the full names correctly yourself.

[Fat middle]

LOL :) Perhaps if he´d have read the books he´d know that Gandalf used to sign with his initial G.

[Darth Tater]

Don't say I didn't warn you.

[Elanor]

Actually, this topic is rather uninspired. There's always someone with a sick enough mind to LOOK for anything that could possibly be homosexual (or Satanic, morbid, marxist, etc.), while true readers would never imagine it. If my Lit Crit Prof could get her hands on you--or I should say, her voice--you would quickly be convinced of the error of your ways. She's a medievalist and even speaks Old English, but any fairly educated person should know that this time/culture is completely different from ours. To be sure, homosexuality is an ancient concept, but in so many cultures there is nothing remotely suggestive about a kiss between two men, and certainly not this mentor/pupil relationship. It's only our culture that mistakes affection for something it's not, and then giggles behind its back. Perversion of such an innocent interaction is a mark of a very narrow cultural experience and an adolescent sensationalist mentality. How could anyone twist a purely fantastic story to become fodder for modern skepticism and joking? Well, the perversion factor certainly doesn't come from the story, so I think we can guess whose mind it comes from. Anyway, not to be mean or anything, but this really gets on my nerves. Can't you think of something intelligent to say without trying to get a reaction or shock people? I find this all very silly.

[Eruve]

Good answer Elanor!! Unfortunately, dmaul96 is not the only one around looking for things that aren't there. He is being a little more creative than most, though. Ususally when the homosexuality question is brought up, it's about Frodo and Sam! And the answer is NO, for the reasons Elanor stated, so don't even think of going there!!!

[Darth Tater]

Very wise answer Elanor. My peers, at least when it comes to age, often consider me a homosexual because of my student/mentor relationship with male teachers or even my friendship with other males. Also, closeness between the men in my religious community has always been generally excepted, in a religious way we hug, or even kiss each other on the cheaks to show BROTHERLY love and forgiveness. This is in no way a sexual symbal, and I think it's sick what's happened to America that even a handshake between two men can be considered a sign that they are gay.

[Hernalt]

Nice, Elanor. Nice. We can always extract to our hearts content what content we desire most from any literary work, but it is one thing to be immersed in our imagination and another to hose it on others. :)

[dmaul96]

WTF? My implication was soley intended for a joke. It was not something I cretated to cause a gay converstaion such as this one. I think this topic should be deleted.

[bmilder]

You brought this upon yourself, dmaul ;)

[Hernalt]

Hay you evil dmaul96 you you're just messing with our heads i just can't keep up with you man i'm tired now where's my pillow whew!.. ZZZzzzZZZzzZZZzzz... :)

[Fat middle]

Hey people, do not waste your neurons! Isn´t worth enough...

[ArwenUndomiel02]

Did I miss something, or were you implying that Bilbo and Gandalf were gay?!

[Darth Tater]

dmaul and fett were, the rest of us were saying their veiws were immature and childish.

[dmaul96]

At least this post was able cause great controversy.

[wattever]

wattever

[Darth Tater]

Contraversy isn't necesarilly a good thing. When it's about an irrelevant, immature topic it deffinately isn't.

[Eruve]

It's not really a controversy, either, since we all disagreed with you.

[Hernalt]

Dmaul96 does not necessarily rock, *Here. But I I love the Dr Evil caption!

[dmaul96]

It was cotroversy because there were two sides. Jae v. Entmoot

[Darth Tater]

No, that's called a trial, with greg/fett as your lawyer.

[dmaul96]

wow, you spelled lawyer correct.

[Spock1]

Irrelavant and irreverant posting do not change the inocense of The Shire. Locks were simply not used! Labels are PC and today; not the simpler (and kinder) times of LOTR.

[galadriel1]

Agreed, Spock. I, myself, believe that Gandalf was a man of great foresight and great wisdom and instincts. He knew, even in the time of the Hobbit, that the Hobbits would one day be a very important element in the scheme of things. I think that is why he was so adamant and unwavering in his 'dealings' with Bilbo and in choosing him to be one of the Company. He foresaw, in his mind and heart, that it was imperative for Bilbo to join the Dwarves' journey. Well, that`s not exactly how I wanted to phrase that but you all get the gist of my rantings. That`s my take on the matter.

[Spock1]

G is for Gandolf and Gandolf is me. It might as well stand for Galadriel who waxes both eloquent and accurately.

[galadriel1]

Aw, thanks. It`s such a pleasant surprise to find you here. I`m glad you made it over. Welcome.

[Elanor]

This topic is still going? Oh, well, the subject seems to have changed! :)

[Eruve]

"Here is set G for Galadriel, but also it may stand for garden in your tongue..."

[Hernalt]

Hm.

[galadriel1]

Hey Eruve: That was going to be my next line! :-)