maedhros and hurin [Archive]

afro-elf

03-06-2002, 08:22 PM

How long did Maedhros hang from the mountain.

Was he feed to stay alive or was he going to be starved to death.

i'm assuming hurin was feed

Sister Golden Hair

03-06-2002, 10:29 PM

Originally posted by afro-elf
How long did Maedhros hang from the mountain.

Was he feed to stay alive or was he going to be starved to death.

i'm assuming hurin was feed Well, Hurin was held captive for twenty some years. It was never Morgoth's intention for Hurin to die, so naturally he was fed. As for Maedhros, I think Morgoth had every intention of leting him die. So no, Maedhros would not have been fed. The book does not say for how long he hung from Thangorodrim, but I would say perhaps several days possibly before Fingon came along. He wasn't there long enough to starve, but had Fingon not found him when he dd, he would surely have died soon.

markedel

03-07-2002, 07:29 PM

Elves are far more resiliant then men.

Sister Golden Hair

03-07-2002, 08:07 PM

Originally posted by markedel
Elves are far more resiliant then men. Absolutely, but not indistructable. I don't think the average humn could have withstood what Maedhros did even for a couple of days without dying. He would have died if not for Fingon.

afro-elf

03-07-2002, 08:21 PM

When Turin met Voronwe the latter made a statement to the affect that "the Hunger must be long and the Cold deep" for it to affect the Elves.

Sister Golden Hair

03-07-2002, 08:30 PM

Sure it effected them. They could just endure more of it than Humans. Look at the crossing of the Helcaraxe. Probably no Human could have survived that.

Ñólendil

03-08-2002, 01:55 AM

Afro-elf, the second part of that line was something like "to affect the son of those who have endured the Grinding Ice". Funny, considering SGH's reply. He was referring specifically to the Exiled Noldor, though he was more boasting than anything else. Fact is Voronwe and Tuor were both put through a lot of physical harm during the cold journey to Gondolin.

Findegil

03-10-2002, 12:16 PM

I would like to bring up some facts:
Maedhros was captured in the valian year 1497 and in 1498 he was hung on the rock by Morgoth. 2 valian yaers later Fingolfin arrived in Middle-Earth (remeber that 1 valian year is about 10 years of the sun) and another 5 years of the sun later Fingon rescued Maedhros.
I don't think any elve can outlive that with out feading. But who feaded him I can't imagin.

Findegil

Ararax

03-10-2002, 09:14 PM

morgoth was probably tourturing him

afro-elf

03-10-2002, 09:38 PM

If that was the case in comparing years how long did it take fingolfin to cross the grinding ice?

Sister Golden Hair

03-10-2002, 11:24 PM

That's an interesting question. If there were an icey wasteland between the U.S. and Europe, how long would it take to walk acrossed that? That is the distance I always thought of when they crossed the Grinding Ice.

afro-elf

03-11-2002, 12:03 AM

i think that it was metioned that they saw the flames when feanor set their ships ablaze.

I know elves have far superior vision but DAMN.

if it took them YEARS to across they must have Hubble vision

I guess they must have used magic to keep food stuffs fresh

(Hell for that matter how did WE do it crossing the bering strait?)

How many years where the feanorians in ME before Fingolfin arrvived

it seems like it would have been at LEAST 20 years uisng the above info.

That is the distance I always thought of when they crossed the Grinding Ice.

two thoughts america IS valinor and i assumed that the distance was even greater even though visually I thought as you do.

Findegil

03-11-2002, 08:17 AM

I will have a look for the times you asked for, when I am back at home. But for the vision of Fingolfin seeing the burning of the ships, you had to consider that the earth was flat in that time. If you are at see shore and the see isn't moved too much, than your sight is ended by the bending of the earth. So if the earth / see is flat, you could see a light in a very great distance.

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Findegil

afro-elf

03-11-2002, 09:26 AM

you had to consider that the earth was flat in that time. I

I had forgotten about that ,thanks

Nibs

03-11-2002, 12:50 PM

Bah. Details. I don't bother with 'em.

[Not to say it's stupid for you to ;) ]

Captain Stern

03-11-2002, 06:15 PM

Where does it say that Elves HAVE to eat or drink? I don't think there's any evidence to prove that Elves must eat and drink other than for enjoyment.

Maedhros hung on a slope of Thangorodrim for 25 years! Tough son of a...

Sister Golden Hair

03-11-2002, 06:50 PM

Originally posted by Captain Stern
Where does it say that Elves HAVE to eat or drink? I don't think there's any evidence to prove that Elves must eat and drink other than for enjoyment.

Maedhros hung on a slope of Thangorodrim for 25 years! Tough son of a... Well, in the Athrabeth, Finrod makes a statement to Andreth about how Morgoth had tainted the world before the Elve awoke and came forth and drew their sustanance (sp). That to me would imply that they did eat and had to eat to survive.

afro-elf

03-12-2002, 01:09 AM

Which book has the length of time he hung for?

Captain Stern

03-12-2002, 09:20 AM

I just figured it out from Findegil's post:

'I would like to bring up some facts:
Maedhros was captured in the valian year 1497 and in 1498 he was hung on the rock by Morgoth. 2 valian yaers later Fingolfin arrived in Middle-Earth (remeber that 1 valian year is about 10 years of the sun) and another 5 years of the sun later Fingon rescued Maedhros.
I don't think any elve can outlive that with out feading. But who feaded him I can't imagin. '

Ararax

03-12-2002, 10:57 AM

morgoth was more cunning then to just kill him, he probably wanted to break him

Wayfarer

03-12-2002, 08:14 PM

Ya Think?

afro-elf

03-12-2002, 08:24 PM

well occasionally

Wayfarer

03-12-2002, 08:34 PM

I hadn't noticed. ;)

afro-elf

03-12-2002, 09:07 PM

OUCH!!!

Wayfarer

03-12-2002, 09:30 PM

I think I chipped a tooth... ]: )

Ararax

03-12-2002, 11:22 PM

lol

afro-elf

03-16-2002, 06:36 AM

concering elves and food mentioned above

I got the impression that elves needed food but could be sustained with FAR less for FAR longer

Findegil

03-16-2002, 04:17 PM

Sorry for the long delayed information. But better late then never. The infromation as the one before is out of The History of Middle-Earth volume 10: Morgoth's Ring chapter The Annals of Aman and The History of Middle-Earth volume 11: The War of the Jewels chapter The Grey Annals.

Feanor left Fingolfin in the valian year 1497 and the moon and sun rosed in the valian year 1500.

Since these dates cover a time of exactly 9.582 years of the sun and we can't know when in this long time these things hapend, the wandering of Fingolfins poeple ofer the ice can have lasted for a time between 19.164 and 28.746 years of the sun.

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Findegil