Curunir

[nobody]

Curunir means the man of skill, right, and is Saruman`s elf name. So the name Nan Curunir should have a Saruman in it when it`s translated. So why is it called wizard`s vale?

[Kirinki54]

Perhaps because Saruman was a wizard, an Istari?

[Kevin McIntyre]

Saruman is not a translation of Curunir. Just as Gandalf had many names so too does Saruman.

[CardenIAntauraNauco]

Agreed. Their not translations their just names given by different races to one being.

[Ñólendil]

But the names have the same meaning (pretty much). Curu means 'cunning', and nÃ*r means 'man'. Saruman means the same thing. 'CurunÃ*r' doesn't mean 'Wizard'. 'Wizard's Vale' is thus just a loose translation. The Rohirrim may not have known what CurunÃ*r meant anyway, as it's Sindarin, but they knew the master of Isengard was a Wizard.

[luinilwen]

wizardry IS a skill :p

all sillyness aside, i agree with inoldonil. :) :) :)

[markedel]

Wizard's vale is a loose translation of the Westron, which in turn is a translation of Sindarin. Tolkein said his "translation" go for the spirit, not the direct meaning.