Runes on map

[Tiggy Tamal]

I need a little help with the runes on the map. I tried to translate them, using the runes in Lord of the Ring. But I get only garbage as a result.

Are the runes on the map a different type than described in LotR?

[ringbearer]

I assume you are talking about Thror's map...?

[Lightice]

If I remember correctly, they weren't runes of Middle Earth, but scandinavic runes, as Tolkien hadn't finished languages of Middle Earth while he made the Hobbït.

[Tiggy Tamal]

yes, i was talking about thror's map.

[ann]

The runes on Thror's map are just old English runes, and that makes it easy to translate if you just compare what Gandalf or Elrond say in English to the runes on the map. They aren't at all like the cirth, because I tried to translate them that way and drove my self nuts before I realized they weren't the same.

[Lightice]

Originally posted by ann
The runes on Thror's map are just old English runes, and that makes it easy to translate if you just compare what Gandalf or Elrond say in English to the runes on the map. They aren't at all like the cirth, because I tried to translate them that way and drove my self nuts before I realized they weren't the same.

Old english runes=Old scandinavian runes. That's becouse english are actually norman, who took over Britannia somewhere at 11th century.
Those runes definately weren't celtic Ogham.

[Ñólendil]

The ones next to the pointing hand say:

FIVE
FEET HIGH
THE DOOR AN
D THREE MAY
WALK ABRE
AST: .TH. TH.

The Runes under 'The Desolation of Smaug' say:

STAND BY THE GREY ST
ONE WHEN THE THRUSH KN
OCKS AND THE SETTING S
UN WITH THE LAST LIGHT
OF DURINS DAY WILL SH
INE UPON THE KEYHOLE

The rune underneath in the box with two dots on either side is for 'TH', I guess for Thror.

[Bregalad]

The alphabet on the map in the Hobbit is neither English nor Scandinavian. It's called Elder Futhark and it's the oldest known Germanic Runic alphabet. You can download a font of it at:
http://www.csupomona.edu/~jcclark/fonts/
And there is a pretty version of it at:
http://home.earthlink.net/%7Edarrenv/tolkein.html
Mac users go to:
http://babel.uoregon.edu/yamada/fonts/tolkien.html

[Laurelyn]

Ooh, comp. fonts! Yay! Nobody asked for my opinion, but hantalye, Bregalad!

[TinuvielChild]

i had trouble downloading the fonts, help please?? :confused:

[TinuvielChild]

does anyone know where i might find a font of the Tengwar script that is on the Ring (with the tails)? i already have the normal Tengwar fonts, but i was wondering if anyone knows where to find the one with the tails like on the Ring, i thought that looked so cool! :)

[Wulažg]

You should be able to find them on the university of Oregon bavel project site.