View Full Version : How was Gandalf able to defeat the Balrog?
Captain Stern
05-27-2001, 12:34 PM
The Balrogs were supposed to be the mightiest Maia except for Sauron so how could Gandalf the Grey defeat the Balrog of Moria?
I assume that when Olorin, Curunir and Co were placed in the bodies of old men that the full use of their power was restricted meaning that they weren't ABLE to utilise their full power.
Gandalf was never said to be a particularly mighty Maia but he was noted as being very wise.
Was the Balrog in Moria severely weakened during it's long stay in Moria?
When Gandalf broke the Balrog's sword did this severely limit it's combat effectiveness?
Did the Ring of Fire aid Gandalf at all in the battle? It says that the ring's purpose was to rekindle the hearts of the Elves and to raise the spirit of Gandalf on his long journey's and tasks and doesn't hint that it gives him increased power in battle.
To me the only explanation would be that the Balrog was severely weakened in some way, but of course it doesn't say anywhere that this was the case.
Prince Faramir
05-27-2001, 08:02 PM
id say it was cos the book would be poo poo without him......... but more importanly he needed his old life burnt away so had to be defeated by the balrog - he WAS defeated by the balrog but at the same time of gandalf also defeating him - they key i think is that a ring bearer like gandalf [also a staff bearer] it would take all the balrogs powers to defeat him and it showed that it was too much for him, he was destroyed...
Inoldonil
05-28-2001, 12:31 AM
They were certainly able to use 'their full power'. They weren't allowed to contest Sauron in open might, and were forbidden to reveal themselves except in dire need. Olorin was stated to be the wisest of all of Maiar. He was of the people of Manwe and Varda, yet in one writing he was a councilor to Irmo, he certainly dwelt in Lorien often, and he learned much from Nienna. There are no weak Maiar and Gandalf certainly was not, Grey or White. He was coeval with Manwe, for one thing. This probably only means he was as old as Manwe (for in Of the Istari published in Unfinished Tales it says the Istari were Maiar, but 'not necessarily of the same rank'), but to have been among the first of the created conveys to me great power and majesty.
I think Gandalf is all too convincingly lesser. Among Hobbits he is comical, and praised for his toys. He was humble, and faithfully concealed his sanctity. The Balrog was not weakened, I would say, the vast halls of the Black Pit would not do that. Gandalf must be accepted as one of the ancient Holy Ones, as powerful as the Mighty Demons of Morgoth. Leastways as powerful as one of them. Do not forget as the others before him he perished in felling the thing.
Prince Faramir
05-28-2001, 11:30 AM
that was my post but more concise and acurate and it made sense :P
Mace McClain
05-28-2001, 01:10 PM
Yea, that does make more sence.
jammi567
06-02-2006, 02:46 AM
I also think that he should've been able to defet it because if some comparativly weak elves could kill one, then a bloody maiar could.
durinsbane2244
06-02-2006, 12:23 PM
i think that the Balrog was weakened. with all beings of power that turn evil [morgoth/sauron] whenever they DO turn evil and start living and caring about wordly things, they start to lose their otherwordly power. morgoth could not change form. sauron could not assume a pleasent form. the balrog was probably weakened a bit, but that is not the main reason. Gandalf could've taken him anyway.
"I am the keeper of the Secret Fire" when Illuvitar made everything, he said that he would send the Secret Fire into the world, and there it would dwell. the Secret Fire was withing Illuvitar to begin with. so, Gandy was packing some heavy ammunition, i think.
"The dark fire will not avail you, Flame of Udun!" yeah, Gandalf could handle a balrog....even if it was me :rolleyes:
me9996
06-02-2006, 06:21 PM
I've heard of elven balrog killers, why shouldn't an istari be able to kill a balrog? And I'm shure the balrog greatly underestamated Gandalf...
And Gandalf didn't exactly survive his encounter...
durinsbane2244
06-02-2006, 06:28 PM
yeah...i've been wondering...but no, that's another topic, for another thread...
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