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Lord Xanthyz
06-02-2001, 07:42 AM
WARNING! If you haven't finished the trilogy yet, don't read on! I don't want to give away the ending to you.:)

But in the end, when Frodo (I know there were others) left to go west (Valinor), why didn't Sam get to go as well? He had as much a part in the downfall of Sauron and the destruction of the Ring as Frodo.
Grand Admiral Reese
06-02-2001, 01:34 PM
He did go, albeit much later. He still had a reason to stay in Middle-earth(Rosie and his daughter, and eventually a LOT more kids) and did not bear the Ring for as long(only a few hours or a day at most).
Darth Tater
06-02-2001, 05:16 PM
Yes, that's true. Also, because he didn't bear the ring for so long its stress on him was much less and didn't require him to get out asap ;)
Spock1
06-02-2001, 05:39 PM
Also he had to wait until the franchise got going: Famous Sam's.
:rollin:
Finduilas
06-02-2001, 05:53 PM
The impression that Sam goes to the Undying Lands is also given in Sauron Defeated in the Epilog. Nowhere does it say explicitly that he goes, but I like to believe that he did.
Lord Xanthyz
06-03-2001, 06:45 AM
I see....thanks guys...
Prince Faramir
06-03-2001, 10:20 AM
in the tale of years, it says that elanor recieves the red book off sam at the grey havens where he sails of into the sun set. this is soon after rosie dies of old age.

anyway with those hint i always take them as that it actually happened and tolkien wasn't just hinting but being a good mystical storyteller :)
Spock1
06-03-2001, 05:47 PM
OK, After serving 7 terms as Mayor Sam retired at 96yrs old.
After the death of Rosie, S.R. 1482, Sam rode out of Bag End.
After giving the Red Book to Elanor( which is later kept by the Fairburns) he passed the Towers and went to the Grey Havens, and passed over Sea.
LOTR-TROTK '65 edition.

Hope this clears it up
Inoldonil
06-03-2001, 07:26 PM
They did not go to Valinor. Perhaps eventually some of them did, but they actually went to Tol Eressea and Avallone.

Nitpicking a little, the Lord of the Rings is not actually a trilogy. It is one story (a heroic romance) made up of six Books and Appendices, sometimes (originally against the author's wishes) issued in three Volumes.