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Finglas
12-22-2001, 03:05 PM
Was Sauron one of the Istari? I kind remember Gandalf saying that somewhere. It might have been in The Hobbit.
Sister Golden Hair
12-22-2001, 05:08 PM
Originally posted by Finglas
Was Sauron one of the Istari? I kind remember Gandalf saying that somewhere. It might have been in The Hobbit. Maybe you are confusing Sauron with Saruman. Both were of the Maiar, but Sauron was much more powerful. Saruman was of the Istari.
Finglas
12-22-2001, 05:22 PM
No, I'm pretty sure that Gandalf called Sauron a wizard 'of his order' or something like that. It was somewhere in The Hobbit.
Kirinki54
12-22-2001, 05:42 PM
Originally posted by Finglas
No, I'm pretty sure that Gandalf called Sauron a wizard 'of his order' or something like that. It was somewhere in The Hobbit.

But IIRC Sauron was never mentioned in The Hobbit.
Wayfarer
12-22-2001, 05:46 PM
The simple answer to your question is no.
Finglas
12-22-2001, 06:08 PM
nuts
Wayfarer
12-22-2001, 06:11 PM
He was the same basic type of being, though.
Finglas
12-22-2001, 06:11 PM
Sauron was mentioned a few times in The Hobbit though. They called him the Necromancer.
P.s. Were all allowed one stupid question, right?:D
Wayfarer
12-22-2001, 06:26 PM
As long as you don't mention wings, green orcs, or faramir's death.

]: )
Sister Golden Hair
12-22-2001, 06:37 PM
How about pointy ears?:)
Wayfarer
12-22-2001, 06:48 PM
I have a knife, so if you want pointy ears, that's no problem.
Sister Golden Hair
12-22-2001, 07:09 PM
You are just such a funny guy Wayfarer.:rolleyes:
afro-elf
12-23-2001, 05:30 AM
wings, pointed ears,green orcs i get but what's up with faramir's death?
CardenIAntauraNauco
12-23-2001, 11:02 PM
The Istari were a specific sect of maiar sent to middle earth.
So yes sauron is a maiar. And no he is not an istari
,But quite obviously he was either created far superior to the other known maiar or he through some perverse wizardry has made himself more powerful.

I think in the silmarillion towards the beginning it mentions the maiar and describes them and lists sauron as one of them not long after. But somewhere towards the end of the book it talks about the istari. But I cant recollect any references from gandalf about his race or order
Ñólendil
12-24-2001, 02:28 AM
Wayfarer was making fun of me while living up to his title, that nefarious dog. ;) There is a horde of infamous ideas, theories, comments and questions of mine behind me, and Wayfarer remembers most of them.
mirrille
12-24-2001, 03:53 AM
I thought the Necromancer was Saruman.

Nuts!

It's time to read the book again!
Lightice
12-24-2001, 08:54 AM
Actually Saruman was still "good" in that time (or it was taught he was) and his powers were needed in driving Sauron from Dol Guldur where he had been playing the part of the Necromancer.
Sauron definately wasn't one of the Istari. Actually Istari were sent to Middle Earth to be counter-force of Sauron.
Sauron was maia, that had pretty good part in Silmarillion as well, as servant of Morgoth.