Who had the most powerful death in LOTR?

[IronParrot]

I would definitely have to say Denethor... Gollum is a close, close second. What do the rest of you think?

[bmilder]

Boromir's was powerful too, as was Thorin's.

[Eruve]

Aragorn and Arwen (in the appendix). I cry every time I read that part!

[Elanor]

Gandalf. (even though it was fake)

[Fat middle]

I go with Boromir and his repented heart.

[Darth Tater]

Denethor all the way!

[Faenor]

I will have to say that the death of Theoden was the one I wished had never happened but the most powerful had to have been Gandalf's in the mines of Moria!

[Elanor]

Welcome to Entmoot.

[emilsson]

Well, I have to say Boromir´s because it was the first one I thought of. I thought Theoden´s death were very heroic. When I read about Gandalf´s "end" in Moria the first time I felt sad. :)

[Hernalt]

But Sauron's passing marked the end of an age - the age of the Valar and Maiar intervention on Earth. After this, man was on his own. The age we live in is very little different from the one inaugerated when Sauron shuffled off this mortal coil. Now, the only magic to be found is rare and fleeting, a question mark in the corner of the eye...

[juntel]

... the smoke floating out of the dead body, looking to the East of its youth, like asking forgiveness... but a wind from there blew the smoke away. What a waste of power and hope Saruman had been. Heros and guardians sent under his "authority" to protect the living creatures against Sauron, but then falling under his own avarice. If there was a sign that the Creation should try on its own not to be chaperonned by the East after Sauron's death, then it was Saruman, the incarnation of how so much Good can turn so bad.

[anduin]

Wow, looks like we may have another Hernalt......cool :)

[IronParrot]

Wow, I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Gollum besides myself. And when I wrote the original post, I forgot Boromir... I'd say IMO he's third behind Denethor and Gollum... and Théoden gets my honourable mention. Sauron's demise was mighty significant, but it wasn't powerful enough for me - I wasn't affected in any particular way.

[Darth Tater]

Wow. I agree, looks like we have another hernalt.

[IronParrot]

Yes, we do.

[juntel]

Humm... I would like to know what this means!? What reputation does Hernalt have? Hope it's a good one! Cheers! :-)

[anduin]

Don't worry juntel, you are being paid a compliment! :)

[bmilder]

Yeah, if you look at some other topics in the forums, you'll see Hernalt makes long, complicated, intelligent posts :P

[The One Ring]

Back on topic, I'll go with Boromir, Denethor, and Saruman, in that order.

[Hernalt]

[bmilder]

You tell 'em, Hernalt :P

[IronParrot]

What bmilder said.

[anduin]

What I want to know is, what did Hernalt say? :P

[Darth Tater]

exactly

[Hernalt]

[bmilder]

I think those were the two shortest messages by Hernalt I've seen here ever :P

[Hernalt]

I got burned out from Tolkien Regular™ and had to switch to Decaf. BOLTII is a denser, richer flavor, devoid of LOTR/Sil's heart-slamming relevance that makes the mind race ahead seeking corellation and permutation. BOLTII is sometimes a tea. No rushing, coursing sweetness of a warm over-sugared cup of joe, but rather a definate bitter thickness of words beneath the sweetness of lyrical description. Sometimes the sweet prevails, and sometimes the bitter. And a reflective cup because of its lost lore, descrying much farther horizons than its progeny. It's no wonder that "Lost Tales" are the perview of our grandsires - they stimulate our imagination with unrealized, unvisited realms, yet they are far removed from the potency of the passages in LOTR and Sil. BOLT is Tolkien squared, and yet Tolkien Decaf.

[IronParrot]

That's the single most kickass analogy I've seen on ezboard.

[Hernalt]

Hey, IronParrot. I saw you defending your name elsewhere. Does it in any way hail to the Parrot field rifles (smaller cannon) which were used in the battle of Gettysburg? Since Napolean 20-pound cannon (which were used in the battle) were diffucult to find after the war, the National Park Service had to use Parrots to decorate the landscape. So if you visited Gettysburg National Monument, you'd be surrounded by IronParrots! (Some were made of bronze, but stay away from them, as they tend to explode more easily. :-)

[IronParrot]

I knew of that, but not until after I chose the name. I don't remember why I chose "IronParrot" in the first place... goes way back I think... As for defending my name... I don't quite remember that - but if I did, it was probably on my world domination forum, no? Well, with all the posts I've made across the dozens of ezboards I've been to, I can't remember. Oh well.

[Hernalt]

It was only your footnote! I seemed to remember seeing some big discussion on the significance of your name, and it was right there under my nose. :D

[IronParrot]

Well, it's a thought.

[ArwenUndomiel02]

I agreee w/ whoever said it above, Thorin. You cried for me? Awww, how sweet!:)

[dmaul96]

After critical analysis of the Lord of the Rings, I have come to the conclusion that the death of the second orc in battle was the most paramount death ever. Not only did it have a great emmotional impact on myself, but also it altered the sequence of events in the story. It was truly an inspiring epiphany. The manner in which JRR Tolkien vividly explained the death was by far the best work of art ever.

[Elanor]

No...it was the loss of the pickles.

[Hernalt]

You rock. :D

[juntel]

...this orc deserves its own board! I had thought about that orc in the past, being haunted by its demise... but I was afraid that everybody would laugh at me... ... until dmaul broke the ice. Thanks dmaul, from all of us who were touched by the fate of the second orc in the battle, and hope you will dedicate a board for him. I know he would approve of it.

[Darth Tater]

This is by far the most profound thread I've ever seen. I could cry.

[IronParrot]

*snif*

[NutWrench]

Boromir! :)

[IronParrot]

dmaul96: It just occurred to me - are we even talking about the same orc?

[Darth Tater]

Does it really matter? Every litle orc is sacred! ;)

[Eruve]

"Every orc is sacred, Every orc is great! If an orc gets wasted, Sauron gets quite irate..."

[juntel]

Monthy Pythons fans here I see! But so that people know which orc we're talking about, it's the one in front of the one behind him, and left to the one at it's right (or behind the one in front of him, and right to the one at it's left, or any combination thereof... he was moving a lot...).

[IronParrot]

Bravo Eruve! Of course, when you compare it to the original lyrics... the context...

[Eruve]

Why, yes, of course, but that was just the sort of absurdity that was the backbone of the Python's humour!

[IronParrot]

Exactly my point. Brilliant stuff.

[Pault742]

Dmaul96 is an idiot:p

Sorry:rolleyes:


I don't know much about Monty Python, but I saw one of their movies and it was funny as :rollin:. I think it was called Monty Python and the Holy Grail.

The best part was on the bridge when the old guy was asking three questions to everyone.

[Eruve]

Holy Grail, IMO was the funniest of the Python movies. That little orc ditty was a take-off on a song from Meaning of Life. If you liked Holy Grail, try to get a hold of the original Monty Python's Flying Circus, which was a series they did for BBC around 30 years ago. I don't know if you can rent it on video, but some PBS stations show reruns.

[andustar]

you can still buy them, i got a 4 vol set of tapes, 'the best of monty python' recently... oh, so funny
but i still say that the holy grail is better than all of it :)
andustar

[IronParrot]

"Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!"

[ladyisme]

Theoden with Denethor running second

[Feanturi]

I would have to say that Sauron's death would have to be the most powerful to me. As Hernalt said it marked the passing of the third age. Also Saruman's death, it's not every day that you see a wizard killed by his servant. Although Wormtongue certainly was pushed over the edge.

[X Rogue]

In no particular order, Theoden, because he died with purpose after he never expected to have purpose again. Denethor, because he lost all purpose and died in despair. Boromir, because he repented and tried to make reparation. Gollum, because it was time.

[Idril Celebrindal]

Boromir's death held a lot of power for me, as did the scene immediately after, where they send his body down the river. I first read that late at night, sitting in my room. It made a huge difference. There was a real haunting feel to it that I've never felt since, in the kind of silence you get in the middle of the night, with only a small reading light on. Everything was so vivid, and the song... I loved it. I still do...

'O Boromir! The Tower of Guard shall ever northward gaze
To Rauros, golden Rauros-falls, until the end of days.'

beyond that, Gandalf's 'death' in Moria was amazing, the first time. After, it's never the same, because you know he isn't really dead, but that first time... wow. Denethor too, and Gollum, although... Gollum for some reason not so powerfully as the others.

ok, I've rambled on long enough now.

[Inoldonil]

As is revealed in Letters of Tolkien's, and the Millennium edition of the Lord of the Rings (in which Gandalf uses the word 'death') Gandalf did in fact die. Having killed the Balrog, he perished himself. His soul then went to the One, Eru (whom we should properly call God), and because of his amazing self sacrifice he was allowed to turn, with greater power and wisdom - and clothed in white. You see it was the task of the Wizards in the West of Middle-earth to cause the downfall of Sauron through the Free Peoples. With Radagast neglecting his duties and Saruman fallen, Gandalf was the last hope. He knew this, and yet to save his friends from the Balrog he broke the bridge and sacrificed everything, including himself. Very noble.