lucky me

[afro-elf]

hey guys

i'm on a much needed 3 week vacation in thailand AND i found a copy of the SIL here

so i'll finally get some REAL knowledge about it


SGH I'll pay close attention to your "BOY"


KENSKI54 i'm looking forward to the section where my quote came from


i'll try to post when i get a chance

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by afro-elf
hey guys

i'm on a much needed 3 week vacation in thailand AND i found a copy of the SIL here

so i'll finally get some REAL knowledge about it


SGH I'll pay close attention to your "BOY"


KENSKI54 i'm looking forward to the section where my quote came from


i'll try to post when i get a chance Well, congatulations afro-elf. You are in for a treat. You will find a lot of great heroes in this book among Elves and Men, including that great guy Felagund. Enjoy.

[Ñólendil]

Plus there's also Thingol, so that's a bonus.

[Kirinki54]

You use my quote and then you mis-spell my name?!
Shame on you, Afro-Elf! To much local beer? :D

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by Inoldonil
Plus there's also Thingol, so that's a bonus. Yeah, especially when he puts on the Nauglamir. That's one of my best parts.:p

[Ñólendil]

*laughs* True, but that wasn't nearly as good a part as when Finrod entered the Tol-in-Ngaurhoth :p

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by Inoldonil
*laughs* True, but that wasn't nearly as good a part as when Finrod entered the Tol-in-Ngaurhoth :p That was a sadder thing though:(

:p anyway!

[Bacchus]

Sorry guys, I gotta go with Fingolfin's duel at the gate, and Hurin fighting to the end at Serech.

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by Bacchus
Sorry guys, I gotta go with Fingolfin's duel at the gate, and Hurin fighting to the end at Serech. Your favorite parts?

[Bacchus]

Yep. Both a bit dark, I'll admit...

[Sister Golden Hair]

Inoldonil and I are kidding. It kinda goes back to an old debate, I don't know if I could name all of my favorite parts, there are so many.

[Ñólendil]

Finrod entering Tol-in-Ngaurhoth sadder than Thingol and the NauglamÃ*r? Ah, I guess you're right. After all, he brought Beren with him. As Wayfarer says: ]: )

As for actual favourite parts, there are two that I have noticed very much move me. One of them is one of yours, Bacchus, 'Day shall come again!'. The other is Aulë's words to God before he prepares to destroy his most cherished makings. I read it aloud to myself once, it's like one of those bad dreams where the saddest thing possible happens and you're hit with what you know to be True. [The difference being with a nightmare you wake up and realize it was indeed True (Real), but only as a dream, naturally {dreams after all being part of the Reality we live in}. With the Silmarillion passage, the deepest feeling of sorrow is turned to joy.]

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by Inoldonil
Finrod entering Tol-in-Ngaurhoth sadder than Thingol and the NauglamÃ*r? Ah, I guess you're right. After all, he brought Beren with him. As Wayfarer says:Well, Beren lived. What's so sad about that? And, Finrod didn't bring Beren with him, Beren brought Finrod. So hoody-poo. :p :D

[afro-elf]

sorry kirinski54

i don't drink BUT i'll blame it on jet lag and i'll leave it at that :)

[Ñólendil]

The oddest thing just happened folks, mark your calendars. SGH just beat the **** out of me with her knowledge-stick. *scratches head* :confused:

[Kirinki54]

Originally posted by afro-elf
sorry kirinski54

i don't drink BUT i'll blame it on jet lag and i'll leave it at that :)

Your doing it again! Now this is harassment! :D

[Wayfarer]

Is that such an unusual occurance, Dil?

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by Inoldonil
The oddest thing just happened folks, mark your calendars. SGH just beat the **** out of me with her knowledge-stick. *scratches head* :confused: Are you still confused? Would you like another beating? Smarty pants.:D

[Ñólendil]

Wayfarer, it is when you're talking to Sister Golden Hair! *ducks a blow and runs away laughing*

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by Inoldonil
Wayfarer, it is when you're talking to Sister Golden Hair! *ducks a blow and runs away laughing* Come back here you little... Where's Grond?

[afro-elf]

sorry again


hum..... i'll blame it on the blurry eyes from reading the SIL

or the numerous poles that i know

[Sister Golden Hair]

afro-elf, what chapter are you on, and how do you like it so far?

[Kirinki54]

Yeah, rather fascinating thought you are discovering the book in Thailand...!

When I read books on holidays, certain scenes gets ´colored´ forever by the time/place where I read them.
If it is similar for you, you will have oriental associations forever. :)

[afro-elf]

SGH

I 'm on ch 8 or 9, I only read a few pages a day 'cos i need to indulge in freedom before i'm back in hell


I LOVE IT. for me i think that i might like it more that a complete tolkien newbie because

i'm familiar with the characters from numerous sources and it great to read about them in their 'HISTORICAL" sense

just as i was suprised by the wealth of info in the appendices of the LOTR

when i get back to saudi i'm gonna have millions of questions to post

and SOME of the elves are MORE "powerful" than i thought

K-54

when it all sets in i'll let you know what the associations are

[afro-elf]

to SGH and K 54


i would like to add that the elves in some ways are better than i hoped and lesser also

the lesser part being based on my own projections of elves
however it still like due to the greater understanding of tolkien's world i'm getting


as for associations

last night while walking along the beach i imagined myself as a sindar walking along the western shores of middle earth before the sun and the moon rose

eventhough my RPG character will be a "baranavair"

and I love the power of the calaquendi i do not know if i would be a noldar in middle earth

I do not know if i would have been swayed to swear such an oath

but it mentions that the calaquendi where not bound to stay in aman

so maybe i would have journeyed east to ME with orome or osse or ulmo

because i love the stars myself

but for now the sindar seem appealling

fingolfin i like so far also,

a few things remind him of me ( if i may be so vain)

the he brushed off and ignored feanor when he drew his blade

leaving with the noldor to protect them for fear the feanor would cause even more damage

even though i would not have swore the oath, if feanor had slain our own kindred AND then abandoned me and my host I would have gone to ME to kick his !@#

then swallowed my pride and packed provisions marched back across the grinding ice ( of course better prepared knowing what to expect) an begged forgiveness since i did not swear the oath myself

since ulmo and osse and orome still seemed to have open ears to the elves in would have implored their aid and wisdom to help save my people from out folly after we reached ME

i do like the moment when meadhos (SP?) wanted to go back with the ships

I "THINK" that act would have severed my relationship with my father

i'll write more as i read on

[Sister Golden Hair]

Don't you think that the Elves of the First Age are more exciting and more noble than the Elves of the Third Age?

Also, you could not have marched back across the Grinding Ice and begged forgiveness. By that time, the Valar had fenced Valinor against the Noldor. It had come to the point of no return.

[Ñólendil]

Maedhros is the name you were thinking of afro-elf. I'm really glad you're reading it man, but I can't help imposing this on you:

Singular is Baranavar, the plural form is Baranevair, the singular of Sindar is Sinda and it isn't Noldar, but Noldor. *takes deep breath* I feel better now.

[afro-elf]

sorry this must be the afro-elf mistake thread

baranavar, and noldor

i'll write it on the black board 1000 times



SHG

there is a line in the book, i'll try to bring the book with me next time, for the exact page

but when the ships were burned it said something like
should he (fingolfin) press on or return in shame to aman

i was a little puzzled too because this happened after the doom of the noldOr

yes i do agree the 1st agers are vastly more interesting than the the 3rd agers

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by afro-elf




SHG

there is a line in the book, i'll try to bring the book with me next time, for the exact page

but when the ships were burned it said something like
should he (fingolfin) press on or return in shame to aman
Yes, but this was said before Fingolfin and his host left Aman, and at that time he could have still chosen to return and beg forgiveness, just like Finarfin did. Once he followed Feanor back to Middle-earth via the Helcaraxe, he was doomed to remain in Middle-earth, because the Valar had hidden Valinor by then.

I think the part you are refering to is:
"Then Fingolfin seeing that Feanor had left him to perish in Araman, or return in shame to Valinor was filled with bitterness; but he desired now as never before to come by some way to Middle-earth. and meet Feanor again." I think Araman was the most northern confines of the Blessed Realm.

You know what? I better be quiet, cause I am actually talking about a part that you haven't reached yet.:eek: (Chapter11)

[Kirinki54]

Afro-Elf, you´re having quite an adventure there. I envy you! :)

[afro-elf]

that's the part i'm talking about

i've gotten to it


i thought araman was outside of aman

oh well

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by afro-elf
that's the part i'm talking about

i've gotten to it


i thought araman was outside of aman

oh well No problem. This is from the index of the Silmarillion.

Araman- Beren wasteland on the coast of Aman, between the Pelori and the Sea, extending northward to the Halcaraxe.

[Ñólendil]

Beren wasteland? I think we need to discontinue our allusions to the old Finrod/Thingol debate, it's having a prolonged effect on you. *laughs*

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by Inoldonil
Beren wasteland? I think we need to discontinue our allusions to the old Finrod/Thingol debate, it's having a prolonged effect on you. *laughs* BARREN!! And I can't even blame it on a typo, oh well. I'll getcha next time:p

[afro-elf]

SGH

it seems that finrod affects you very deeply :)


finrod is fingolfin's nephew correct?

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by afro-elf
SGH

it seems that finrod affects you very deeply :)


finrod is fingolfin's nephew correct? Correct afro-elf.
I found Finrod to be the perfect character in many ways. The Simarillion had a profound affect.

[Kirinki54]

Originally posted by Sister Golden Hair
I found Finrod to be the perfect character in many ways. The Simarillion had a profound affect.

Not to speak of the effect of spending time on the forums with SGH. I now truly hail Finrod as one of (or the?) most noble characters of all times.

Of course re-reading the Sil has some part in it... :)

[Ñólendil]

To speak seriously, I think the noblest of the Ñoldor was Finrod's father Finarfin. This is implied in the essay by Tolkien that is called the Shibboleth of Fëanor. He was named Arafinwë by his father; 'Noble Finwe', just as Feanor was named Curufinwë ('Cunning, Skillful Finwe') and Fingolfin was Nolofinwë ('Knowledgable, Philosophical Finwe'). I'm rather in love with the names of ancient Elvish figures in Quenya, they convey so much more.

[afro-elf]

i just finished ch 14

and so far fingolfin, fingon and maedhros are my favorites

i do not like feanor or thingol so far


not much has been said of finrod yet

i've always liked cirdan but he was always a peripheral player

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by Inoldonil
To speak seriously, I think the noblest of the Ñoldor was Finrod's father Finarfin. This is implied in the essay by Tolkien that is called the Shibboleth of Fëanor. He was named Arafinwë by his father; 'Noble Finwe', just as Feanor was named Curufinwë ('Cunning, Skillful Finwe') and Fingolfin was Nolofinwë ('Knowledgable, Philosophical Finwe'). I'm rather in love with the names of ancient Elvish figures in Quenya, they convey so much more. Inoldonil, which book is the Shibboleth of Feanor in again?

As for Finarfin being the most noble, I suppose that may be true, but he really isn't a big part of the story, since he stayed in Aman. You really don't get to know him. I have heard some people complain about him for turning back from the exile.

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by afro-elf
i just finished ch 14

and so far fingolfin, fingon and maedhros are my favorites
Fingon is also another one of my favorites.

[Kirinki54]

Originally posted by Inoldonil
To speak seriously, I think the noblest of the Ñoldor was Finrod's father Finarfin.

Are you implying that my opinion is not "serious"?? Pistols at dawn, my dear Sir!! :D

Anyway, I find the Shibboleth to be a very strange tale, but most interesting of course. Have only read it once, but I plan to re-read it any day come Christmas.

I am trying to find some point of reference that can make it understandable or rather meaningful to me, why the pronounciation of a single sound could make such a difference and cause so much (mostly misery)? Perhaps you need to be a dedicated lingvist like Tolkien to appreciate the finer points of this tale?

SGH, it is found in THE PEOPLES OF MIDDLE-EARTH.

[Ñólendil]

The Shibboleth is in Vol. XII.

'You really don't get to know him. I have heard some people complain about him for turning back from the exile.'

That's interesting! I think remaining in Aman was the more noble thing to do. Arafinwe decided not to rebel against the ordained Authorities of the World. Getting to know him more would probably only mean getting to know a different person, an Exile.

'Are you implying that my opinion is not "serious"?? Pistols at dawn, my dear Sir!!'

Of course not! I was refering to what my posts usually are like when Finrod is mentioned, when I tease SGH since she has this crazy idea he's a good guy.

The big non-linguistic importance of the change of þ to s is that Fëanáro brought politics into it. He took it as a personal insult to himself and the memory of his mother, and divided (not literally) up the people of Tirion based on their preference. You were either with him or against him. As the introduction states, the single seemingly unimportant change of þ to s made up an important chapter in the history and strife of the Ñoldor.

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by Inoldonil
The Shibboleth is in Vol. XII.

'You really don't get to know him. I have heard some people complain about him for turning back from the exile.'

That's interesting! I think remaining in Aman was the more noble thing to do. Arafinwe decided not to rebel against the ordained Authorities of the World. Getting to know him more would probably only mean getting to know a different person, an Exile.The problem is that he started out as one of the exiles and turned back after the Doom of Mandos was spoken, and also because of the kinslaying. I think many readers may have taken this to be a cowardly act. However, it is my understanding from the Sil, that he was devastated by the kinslaying because he was very friendly with the Teleri, and because of Earwen, and this was his main reason for returning. Maybe readers would have perceived him as more nobel had he never left with the Exiles in the first place.

'Are you implying that my opinion is not "serious"?? Pistols at dawn, my dear Sir!!'

Of course not! I was refering to what my posts usually are like when Finrod is mentioned, when I tease SGH since she has this crazy idea he's a [i]good guy. [/B]WHAT? You mean he's not?:( Oh Inoldonil, tell me it isn't so. I believe what you say. NOT!!!:D

[Wayfarer]

Finrod wasn' t really a good guy.

I'd say he was fair, at most. ]: )

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by Wayfarer
Finrod wasn' t really a good guy.

I'd say he was fair, at most. ]: ) Explain please.

[afro-elf]

i'm interested in hearing your reply to that


to you think there are any good guys (ELVES) in the sil?

if so who?


I HATE FEANOR

i was hoping for some redeeming qualities in him but my detest for him was cemented on his death where he knew that the elves could not win and STILL damned his sons with that doomed oath


at least celembor (SP?) the maker of the 3 rings shunned his father after finrod's death

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by afro-elf
i'm interested in hearing your reply to that


to you think there are any good guys (ELVES) in the sil?

if so who?


I HATE FEANOR

i was hoping for some redeeming qualities in him but my detest for him was cemented on his death where he knew that the elves could not win and STILL damned his sons with that doomed oath


at least celembor (SP?) the maker of the 3 rings shunned his father after finrod's death afro-elf, are you already past Finrod's death? I think Wayfarer and Inoldonil are just trying to get a rise from me. They know that no other character in the story made the ultimate sacrifice for friendship as he did. He was much loved by both Elves and Men.

I think most of the Elves in the Sil are good guys with a few exceptions. Feanor, his sons, Eol, Maeglin, and then Thingol:rolleyes: IMHO.:)

[afro-elf]

there is one sindar that i like

mablung he seems to be a great warrior and honorable


i had the unfinished or lost tales don't recall which one it was
but it was thrown away( arrgh!!!)

and i recall him escorting someone maybe turin's sister and going to the ruins ( of was it northorond (SP/)


i like finrod because he seemed to be a powerful warrior and mage and noble

the fact that he could even stand against sauron in a duel of magic was way cool

fingolfin i really like though, the fight was melkor was great

the lord of elves vs the god of evil and the fact that the wounds that he gave melkor never healed and left him with a limp was a testement to his power

i

[afro-elf]

it seems that finrod was released rather early from mandos

it said something about him walk with his father
and probably is love

she was a vanyar she has golden hair and so do you

HMMM

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by afro-elf
it seems that finrod was released rather early from mandos

it said something about him walk with his father
and probably is love

she was a vanyar she has golden hair and so do you

HMMM One of my favorite parts. "They burried the body of Felagund upon the hilltop of his own isle and it was clean again. and the green grave of Finrod, Finarfins son, fairest of all the princes of the Elves remained inviolate until the land was broken and changed and foundered under destroying seas. But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar."

Yes, she was a Vanya, and they were reunited. Actually, my hair is just a tad lighter than golden, and no it is not out of a bottle.:)

[Wayfarer]

Originally posted by Sister Golden Hair
Explain please.

Gladly. ;)

Originally posted by Sister Golden Hair
Finrod, Finarfins son, fairest of all the princes of the Elves.

Findrod was the fairest of the Noldorin Princes. Thus, I say he was not good, but fair. ]: )

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by Wayfarer


Gladly. ;)



Findrod was the fairest of the Noldorin Princes. Thus, I say he was not good, but fair. ]: ) Cute. I knew it was something like that.:)

[afro-elf]

first thanks for reading through my numerous typos

second wayfarer

what is the sindarin for one of biting wit

i dub thee thus

[Wayfarer]

lad you liked it, SGH

Afro elf, well...

I would use either Lhaeg 'keen, sharp, acute' or Megor 'sharp-pointed'

Perhaps in conjunction with nauth 'thought', some form of peth, 'word', or mebbe lam

So:

Lhaegnauthion=Sharp Witted
Lhaeglamion =Sharp Tongued

et cetera

The translation could be Naeth Nauth, which would mean either 'biting wit' or 'woeful thought'

Then, perhaps I would be Edhel uin Naeth Nauth 'Elf of the Biting Wit'

[Captain Stern]

quote:
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Originally posted by afro-elf
i'm interested in hearing your reply to that


to you think there are any good guys (ELVES) in the sil?

if so who?


I HATE FEANOR

i was hoping for some redeeming qualities in him but my detest for him was cemented on his death where he knew that the elves could not win and STILL damned his sons with that doomed oath


at least celembor (SP?) the maker of the 3 rings shunned his father after finrod's death
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You will probably hate him even more afer reading this:

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Originally posted by Inoldonil

Well, they did have different names in Aman. The elder of the two (the more dear to his father) was Nityafinwë Ambarussa, and the younger was Telufinwë Ambarussa. There's a story with it of course that would explain my opinion, but their father called the youngest Ambarto, and they called eachother Ambarussa. They could be distinguished: as they grew older the elder's hair grew darker, though both's were red-brown.

Ah, bother, here's the story as I remember it, near the end I've actually bothered to get my book out and use some of the actual dialogue.

There are father-names and mother-names among the Eldar of Aman. The father-name is given by the father, the mother-name by the mother. Fëanáro named the two youngest twins Nityafinwe and Telufinwe. 'Nityafinwe' meant 'Little Finwe' and 'Telufinwe' meant 'Last Finwe'. Nerdanel wife of Fëanáro named them both Ambarussa 'top-russet', because of their red-brown hair which they inherited from her. Mother-names are often prophetic, it must be remembered. When Feanáro begged that at least their names should be different, Nerdanel became troubled and said 'Then let one be called Umbarto, but which, time will tell'. Umbarto means 'Fated'.

Feanáro was either deeply troubled by this ominous name, or he heard her wrongly, but he either altered the name to or thought she had said Ambarto, 'upwards-exalted'. Nerdanel said 'Umbarto I chose, but it will not matter', or something along those lines. As they grew up, the elder, Nityafinwe, grew to look more like his father as his hair grew darker. He was more dear to Fëanáro. Anyway the Silmarillion tells about the estrangement of Fëanáro and Nerdanel, and the Oath and all that. Before Faenor's Host set out on the Great Journey, Nerdanel came to him and begged that he wouldn't go, but when it became plain that he would, he begged that one at least would never go to Middle-earth. He said 'Were you a true wife you would keep all of them and go with us. They are resolved to go with their father. Take your dark omens to the Valar, who will delight in them. I defy them.' So they parted. The Silmarillion tells of the Kinslaying at Alqualonde.

As the legend goes (and this part differs from the earlier versions), after Faenor had landed in Middle-earth, he waked his son Curufinwë (=Curufin) and some of his most trusted men, and they burned the white ships together in the night. In the morning most of the host (after they were roused) were upset, for many dear things that they loved were on those ships, and they wished to sail further down the coast. But Nityafinwë spoke in anger to his father: 'Did you not then wake Ambarussa my brother, whom you call Ambarto? He would not come ashore to sleep (he said) in discomfort.' But it was thought, and guessed by his father, that Telufinwe had it in his mind to sail his ship back to join Nerdanel, being horrified by the deeds of his father at Alqualonde. 'That was the first one I destroyed' said Fëanáro, hiding his own dismay. 'Then rightly you gave the name to the youngest of your children' said Ambarussa, 'and Umbarto "the Fated" was its true form. Fell and fey are you become.'

So Telufinwe died before his name was translated. Nityafinwe adapted his mother-name to Sindarin as Amros. Since his late young brother preferred his mother-name as well, I guess that is why he was also called 'Amros' in memory.
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[afro-elf]

i recall reading that somewhere earlier


was that orginally from the lost or unfinished tales


would they be NOW equal to amrod and amras?

i think that eol, meaglin, feanor, curufin, celegorm,caranthir are all evil !@#$%

maglor and meadhros i feel were pulled by a dark fate like turin

[Ñólendil]

It's from Peoples of Middle-earth, Vol. XII of HoMe.

would they be NOW equal to amrod and amras?

I don't know what you mean by 'NOW'. Tolkien changed the names of Amrod and Amras to Amros and Amros, if that answers your question.

[afro-elf]

what i meant was

one son died on the ship

but in the SIL he did not ( they say feanor has 7 sons) and they are all in the SIL

so in the SIL he did not die, so the twins amras and amrod both survive

[Captain Stern]

If I remember correctly Amrod and Amras were hardly ever mentioned in The Silmarillion. I think the only time they were part of the story was when Morgoth cast that huge fire wave and destroyed many elves and elvish kingdoms. Included among the dead were Amrod and Amras.

So due to the lack of their involvment in the story I would guess that it was another case of Christopher Tolkien's editing.

I could well be wrong, Inoldonil or someone will probably set you straight :confused:

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by Captain Stern
If I remember correctly Amrod and Amras were hardly ever mentioned in The Silmarillion. I think the only time they were part of the story was when Morgoth cast that huge fire wave and destroyed many elves and elvish kingdoms. Included among the dead were Amrod and Amras Are you confusing Amrod and Amras, with Angrod and Aegnor?

[Captain Stern]

Oops you're right SGH.

I just looked it up, in The Silmarillion Amrod and Amras were slain in the attack on Earendil's people at the Mouths of Sirion.

[Ñólendil]

afro-elf, yes, that's true. That one died in the burning of the ships is a very late change on Tolkien's part, he wrote the 'strange and sinister tale'* during the last four years of his life. I imagine it wasn't implemented into The Silmarillion either because C. T. wasn't aware of it or because it was just too difficult to bring about.


*Christopher Tolkien, the Shibboleth of Fëanor.

[afro-elf]

thanks my friend


it makes my utter detest for feanor grow even greater

[Captain Stern]

He makes the First Age a damn site more interesting though you must admit ;)

What a guy :):cool:

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by Captain Stern
He makes the First Age a damn site more interesting though you must admit ;)

What a guy :):cool: I agree. If it wasn't for Feanor, there would be no story. afro-elf, you like Feanor as much as I do Thingol.:)

[Kirinki54]

Originally posted by Sister Golden Hair
I agree. If it wasn't for Feanor, there would be no story. afro-elf, you like Feanor as much as I do Thingol.:)

Well, I think there would be a story without Feanor - only a very different one. Exactly what the good Prof. might have come up with instead is of course futile speculation. No?

[afro-elf]

The Sil is a big tease. It gives such a good sample but it leaves you wanting so much more.

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by afro-elf
The Sil is a big tease. It gives such a good sample but it leaves you wanting so much more. Yes it does, but that is what makes it a great read. Tell me, are you dis-satisfied? Why?

[afro-elf]

No not disappointed just hungry for more.

It would be great if some of those stories could be expounded upon like LOTR.

[Sister Golden Hair]

Have you read Unfinished Tales? That will give you a bit more. It elaborates on some of the stories in the Sil.