Nazgul questions

[ArwenEvenstar]

I know a little about the Nazgul. But would really really like to know more about them. Such as What part of ME did they all come from? Did they all have names- if so what are they?If all of the White council (excluding Sauraman da traitor...) take em out??

Just curious;)

[Ñólendil]

I'm pretty sure this has been brought up before, but I'll try anyway.

I don't think I understand your last question.

At least three of the Nazgul were Dúnedain from the South of Gondor (I don't remember where). I think the Witchking was one of these. One was an Easterling, he is the only one that is named ('Khamûl the Shadow of the East') and was the second greatest of the Nine. Quite probably they all had names, but we only know of one. Iron Crown Enterprizes made up names and bios for the Nine for their Middle-earth Role-playing game, some like to use those.

[Kirinki54]

Originally posted by Inoldonil
Quite probably they all had names, but we only know of one.

I have always pictured Gothmog as a Nazgul, but now I am getting uncertain. Was he an 'ordinary' Man? Or even Orc? He could have been second-in-command at Minas Morgul anyway.

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by Kirinki54


I have always pictured Gothmog as a Nazgul, but now I am getting uncertain. Was he an 'ordinary' Man? Or even Orc? He could have been second-in-command at Minas Morgul anyway. Gothmog was Lord of Balrogs, called in the Silmarillion, High Captain of Angband.

[Elenhin]

There are two different Gothmogs: the Balrog-Lord in the First Age, and the one who took command of Sauron's forces in the Battle of the Fields of Pelennor after the Witch-King had been slain by Eowyn. We are never told what the later Gothmog actually was: some like to think of him as a Nazgul, some like to think of him (or perhaps her: we're never told that either, I think) as a Man. There is also a possibility of him being an Orc, but I don't think that an Orc would be given such a responsibility.

[easterlinge]

BUt would an Orc necessarily be an awful commander?

[Wayfarer]

I don't think they'd nescessarily be all bad. There were some good elvish leaders, after all. But, like in america, tehy wouldn't be encouraged.

[Ñólendil]

Orcs are good enough leaders when put in charge of their own people, or Trolls maybe, but I wouldn't trust one with Men. Ugluk was captain of the Orcs of Isengard and Grishnakh of the Orcs of Barad-dur, but Saruman ruled in Orthanc and the Lieutenant of the Black Tower was the Mouth of Sauron.

[Agburanar]

Wasn't Gothmog the Balrog in the Sil and Rogrog the troll captain in LotR? I.C.E.'s Middle Earth CCG had names for the Nazgul. They were:

The Witch King of Angmar (mentioned by Tolkien)
Khamul the Easterling (mentioned by Tolkien)
Ren the Unclean (invented)
Uvatha the horseman (invented)
Akhorahil the seer (invented)
Adunaphel (invented)
Indur (invented)

I can't remember the other two. Of course they could have been called Boris, Fred, Tom, Harry, Robert, Norbert, Homer, Margaret and the Witch King! (Sounds like the title of a fan fiction!)

[afro-elf]

what was the ICE name of the female nazgul?

[Ñólendil]

J. R. R. Tolkien did not give any name for 'the troll captain'. Do you mean the Troll-chief that Pippin slew? Is 'Rogrog' a name from ICE?

[Wayfarer]

Afro elf...

Adunaphel the silent was supposed to be a chick, if my memory serves me. (Which it almost always does)

[Agburanar]

Yeah, Rogrog is probably I.C.E. Can anyone tell me where Khamul comes from? I can't find him (her???) anywhere but it's not an I.C.E. name.

[Wayfarer]

Khamul the easterling... I believe it talks about him in 'of rings of power and the third age' and perhaps in the appendices.

[Ñólendil]

I think the name is only to be found in Unfinished Tales, The Hunt For The Ring. He is called there 'Khamûl the Shadow of the East' and is said to be the second greatest of the Ringwraiths. It was him that narrowly missed the Ringbearer at Bag-end, and called to his friend on the bank of the Stockbrook (if I remember aright which brook it was). He was of the Nine the most weakened by sunlight.

[Bacchus]

I thought he was the one most incapacitated by water. According to UT, he was quite aware that the Ring was escaping across the Brandywine, but unable to enter the River to do anything about it.

[Agburanar]

Really? That's really interesting, I mus read the UT sometime.

[Wayfarer]

Light or Water...?

Maybe both?

[Ace]

i had started a thread about the ICE card game, that got like no reponses. GRR! And it seems like many know about it, but anyway, i agree that ICE takes great liberties with inventing up Tolkein information. In Middle Earth the Dragons (the first expansion set) Smaug gets alot of company, ranging from Worms Tolkien mentioned to invented ones like Earcaraxe the Water Dragon. I still say ICE was cool, and it's a shame they're bankrupt.

"If the choice be mine, I say we march!"

[Agburanar]

Yeah ICE were great. The only other person I know who collects The Wizard's CCG is my next door neighbour, spooky!

[Treebeard's apprentice]

There is a lot of discussion here about Balrogs & Nazgul. What is the difference between the two? This is one thing I have been confused about for a while. At first I thought they were two different names for the same thing, but now I'm not so sure.

[Graham]

Hi,
My first post :D
A Balrog -"Demon of Might" (or Valarauko) are demons of fire in the service of Morgoth and are different from the Nazgul (also Ulairi) who are the Ring-wraiths, the slaves of the Nine Rings of Men and chief servents of Sauron.

Graham

[CardenIAntauraNauco]

Weren't the balrogs maiar....I was positive they were maiar..

[Ñólendil]

Yes, they were. Fallen Maiar, anyway; Demons rather than Angels. 'Maiar' is a complementary word, a beautiful one, it means 'the Beautiful'.

[bropous]

Interesting allusion to folklore regarding the Nazgul not being able to [or reluctant to, by any rate] cross water. Some legends say that a pursuing evil spirit cannot cross moving water. I don't know whether the presence of a bridge is supposed to counteract that effect.