nazgul fun after some real questions

[afro-elf]

1st was does nazgul mean in the common tongue?

from what parts of ME where they from?

where they all male?


besides that and knowing that the second in command was Khamul what would be some humors names or scence for them


The Lord of the Nazgul/ merry and eowyn commerical

The witch king's black breath is felling everyone

merry taps him on the leg.

" excuse i believe you are suffering from halitosis"

merry hands him some listerine

the witch king drinks it

"wow i feel so lemony fresh"

eowyn promptly slays
him

Listerine never leave home without it


Sorry really not that funny

[Tessar]

hummmmmmmmmm.....

Actually I had to use some Listerene once, and man that stuff BURNED!!:eek: :eek: :eek:

[Tessar]

Actually no.

THEY WERE ALL GIRLS!!!!!!!!!! :eek:

Lol I'm sorry but i couldn't help it. :D

Yes i believe that they were all male magicians

[Wayfarer]

Nazgul is from the black speech:

Nazg = Ring (Ash Nazg=the one Ring)
Gul = Wraith, or possibly sorcerer. (Sindarin 'Gul' is Sorcerer/Sorcery)

They would have originally been 'Ring Sorcerers', but as they faded they became 'Ring Wraiths'. Either translation is applicable (Inconclusinve on which is literallyu correct)

Tolkien never named or placed them except for Khamul (the easterling).

Now I'll shock you by going out of the canon, but ICE created names for them, and one was female.

I believe The Tolkienist (http://www.thetolkienist.cjb.net.) had a list of the MERP nazgul characters.

I'm not sure if the URL is right. In any case, I don't like that site much (Or any site that equates middle earth with pentagrams, for that matter)

[Ñólendil]

One of the Ringwraiths was from the East (this was Khamûl, 'the Shadow of the East'). I think three were said to be Black Númenóreans (the Witchking I think was one). I think they were all male.

[samwise of the shire]

I thought Nazgul was the name for them AFTER their land horses died and they got the Wing Beasts. In other words I though Nazgul meant Winged Ringwraiths.

[afro-elf]

what is the financial market called in mordor

the NAZ-dex :)

[Wayfarer]

The tolkien sarcasm page called them the nazdaq ;)

[samwise of the shire]

SO what should we call Nazdaq...Nazgul?

[Wayfarer]

Sauron's pawn.

[Agburanar]

The Nazgul are not named as such until they have winged steed sin Lord of the Rings, but I seem to remember that they were called Nazgul and Ulairi in the Sil. What's a Ulairi anyway? Ringwraith in Sindarin or sumfing?

[Wayfarer]

Ulairi is the adunic equivilent to ringwraith, yeah.

[Ñólendil]

Or 'Ringwraiths' anyway. Noone knows what the singular is, possibly 'Ulair'.

[Bacchus]

Originally posted by Agburanar
The Nazgul are not named as such until they have winged steed sin Lord of the Rings

This is incorrect. I am 99% sure that Gandalf referred to them as Nazgul in "The Shadow of the Past," and I am 100% sure that Radagast used the term when convincing Gandalf to visit Saruman, as related in "The Council of Elrond."

[KingElessar8]

No, he calls them "Ringwraiths" or the "Nine" in the Shadow of the Past , but Radagast does use the term, in a whisper.

[KingElessar8]

Oh, and hi Bacchus. More people that I "know" around here every day...

[Bacchus]

Hail and well met, KE8

[Wayfarer]

Originally posted by Inoldonil
Or 'Ringwraiths' anyway. Noone knows what the singular is, possibly 'Ulair'.

I recall a discussion I had with a friendly nazgul. He had come across a reference to 'Ulaire'. And we decided that this was likely the singular, while 'Ulairi' was most likely plural.

'Nazgul' could be one or both, as Blackspeeck wasn't nescessarily picky about plurals.

[Ñólendil]

I just got finished searching Helge Fauskanger's Ardalambion Adunaic page for 'Ulairi' and couldn't find it. I did find it, in the Quenya Corpus Wordlist: Úlairi "Nazgûl" (sg. *Úlairë? *Úlair?) Etymology obscure

Apparently the word is not Númenórean at all.

[Lelondul]

Are we all forgetting the most well-known poem of all time?

Three rings for Elven Kings...
Seven for Dwarf Lords...
Nine for mortal MEN...


Seems to me, they(The Nazgul) would all be men :rolleyes:

[afro-elf]

Nine for mortal MEN...

men as in mankind

think of glorfindel's prophecy about the witch-king/lord of the nazgul

that he couldn't be slain by mortal men
and eowyn (female) and merry (hobbit) did

it didn't say

elves

dwarves

males


that would be like

french

latinos

and males


not balanced

[Agburanar]

If you think about the role of Women in Tolkien's work they're just as important as men, if not more. Galadriel is much more powerful and understanding than Celeborn, Eowyn is a great warrior etc. Why shouldn't one of the ringwraiths have been female?

[Wayfarer]

lelondol's just upset because the swans have migrated. Don't let him bother you. ;)

[Agburanar]

Coming back to the question of Nazgul definitions, in book 2 Gandalf says to Pippin "It is a winged black rider, a nazgul." This would suggest that the two are like stages in the 'life cycle' of the ringwraiths. Radagast calls them nazgul but then says that they have taken the guise of riders in black, suggesting they do not normally adopt this form. A 'black rider' on horseback is a more suitable form for a ringwraith to take for hunting 'inconspicuously' whereas a winged Nazgul is more suited to the war.

[Ñólendil]

Lelondul my friend, look at one of those other Ring lines: 'Three Rings for the Elven Kings under the sky'. But who got the Rings? Gil-galad, who gave his to Elrond, CÃ*rdan who gave his to Gandalf and Galadriel. Of all these Gil-galad is the only King, Gandalf is not Elven and Galadriel is not even male. So I guess there still could be a female Ringwraith, thought I highly doubt it.

[Aragorn]

Nine for mortel men doomed to die.

The Nazgul were the Ring Bearers of the nine rings made by man. I assume all the ring bearers were men because in medieval times Kings were mostly more powerful the Queens. The nine ring bearers were captured and turned into the Ring-Wraiths, their ideal job to locate the One Ring. I hope that was of help, if you found it pointless and not helpful, that's just too bad.

[Kirinki54]

Originally posted by Inoldonil
Lelondul my friend, look at one of those other Ring lines: 'Three Rings for the Elven Kings under the sky'. But who got the Rings? Gil-galad, who gave his to Elrond, CÃ*rdan who gave his to Gandalf and Galadriel. Of all these Gil-galad is the only King, Gandalf is not Elven and Galadriel is not even male. So I guess there still could be a female Ringwraith, thought I highly doubt it.

What sort of a leader was Cirdan anyway? Wherever he lived, he seemed to be on top, or am I mistaken?

[Wayfarer]

Cirdan was an elf lord, but not nescessarily a King per se. He ruled the Falas of Beleriand durnint the First Age.

[Ñólendil]

He was also of Elwe's kin, though we're never told the nature of the kinship.

[Wayfarer]

That must be why I couldn't remember what it was. ;)

[afro-elf]

remember that man/men means HUMANS not males here

[Wayfarer]

Yes, although you ought tobe careful about using it that way today.

unless you're an accomplished flamer like me. ]: )