The Matrix

[Sakata]

Well, this movie came out quite a while ago, and I am surprised that no one posted on it. It is one of my favorite movies ever! The special effects are awesome, the plot was great, and the best part is it kept you guessing.

[gdl96]

I think there's two threads from before around here somewhere...one about Matrix, and the other one about Matrix vs Star Wars comparison thing. If I weren't lazy, I would find them and merge this, but I am.

[Elf.Freak]

i liked The Matrix aswell, i think my fav. character is Agent Smith (aka. Hugo Weaving). He was brillient! (especially with the accent he did:p)

[Blackboar]

I LOVE The Matrix!
I didn't quite understand it the first time I watched it though:rolleyes:

I like Agent Smith too:D

I like all of it;)

[Varda Oiolosseo]

I havn't watched it all!
I started watching it but fell asleep!
I didn't really get into it at first but if i had watched it all then i might have enjoyed it! :D

[Elven Archer]

my brother's friend burned him a DVD of the Matrix and i was about 20 minutes into when it stopped. so then my brother tried to fix it so i watched it again but it stopped at the same place so i haven't seen more than the first 20 minutes.

[Ërendil]

I liked the Matrix and I thought that Hugo Weaving was so cool. :) My brother got it for Christmas this year, so I have watched it pretty recently too. It is a very good film :)

[Hanza]

Me and my bro love this film. I love all the stunts And the complexity(sp?) of the idea of the matrix. I cant wait for the Matrix Reloaded. Its gonna be great.

Did you know that there is going to be an ani-matrix? There are 3 short films. The first two will be on the internet but the last might be put in cinemas. They are going to be kinda high quality cartoons and the last will have computer animated people and stuff. The clips i have seen look really good.

[Elf.Freak]

apparently there are going to be two more Matrix films, both out this year. The second one is 'The Matrix Reloaded' (as Hanza mentioned) but i don't know what the other one is called. does anyone know the actual date of release?

[Cirdan]

The Matrix Revolution is the third one due in 2004.:cool:

[Shadowfax]

I heard somewhere that the 2nd is coming in spring 2003, and the 3rd is coming fall 2003, like September or something. I dunno though.

[Cirdan]

May 18 for Reloaded and December for Revolutions.

[Eruviel Greenleaf]

Definitely liked The Matrix--special effects are just sooo fun :)

I'm looking forward to the next ones, too. yay. more Agent Smith :D

[kiwi]

I'm totally looking foward to the next movies.
I have the first one on video and dvd

[Lalaith]

I just love the first movie and I'm really looking forward to the next two.
We soon shall watch the first one again - in our catholic lessons (I don't know how to call in english). Our teacher says that Matrix has something to do with god and believing. Well, let's see.

[Narsil's Master]

i love it matrix is ausome wth great fight scenes

[Linaewen]

The Matrix is one of my favourite movies.
For some reason, i love sci fi movies but hate the books.
I love fantasy, and i know that they are similar but i just can't read any sci fi books. Actually, i might have read some but they were more fantasy.
The Matrix is so original and fascinating. It's not confusing like so many people say it is

[Lalaith]

I'm really looking forward to part II and III. And to Agend Elrond *gg*

[IronParrot]

Ah, it's a wonderful time to be a geek.

The Matrix is certainly one of the most influential (and most poorly imitated) films of the past few years... it left a lot of room open for the sequels, though, so hopefully that's capitalized upon.

[Shadowfax]

Originally posted by Lalaith
Our teacher says that Matrix has something to do with god and believing. Well, let's see. Actually, it does have to do with God. My "Christian Perspectives" class at school just watched The Matrix and we learned that the directors (or producers...whatever) deliberately put Christian messages and themes in the movie. Here are just a few examples:

Neo = Jesus (the Saviour, the One) he even died and was brought to life again (Neo was dead for 3 minutes, Jesus was dead 3 days)
Cypher = Judas (Jesus' betrayer)
Morpheus = John the Baptist (his prophecies of the One)

Mind you, they also put Buddhist themes in, like the whole "if you belive it then it is true" stuff (there is no spoon...).

This site (http://www.awesomehouse.com/matrix/parallels.html) has a lot of indepth stuff on the Christian parallels if you're interested.

[azalea]

It wasn't so confusing that I couldn't understand it, but I'll admit I did rewind a few times (but I like to do that anyway, to others' great annoyance).

Was it based on a book? If so, I'd love to read it.

[Linaewen]

I don't think so
Have you watched Minority Report?
That was based on a short story. I think that was harder to get than the Matrix. It gets a tad confusing

[Lalaith]

Thanks for the link.
We started to watch it yesterday (I have seen the movie like 6 times before) and our teacher gave us a similar copy of this. Explaining all the names and so on.

[IronParrot]

The Matrix was an original story, though the philosophy behind it can be traced way, way back, and there's definitely a lot of very direct symbolism.

And on a tangent here... I absolutely adored Minority Report, though I've never read Philip K. Dick's original short story, and it's one of those films where you'll catch something new every time you see it if you didn't really get it the first time.

[Cirdan]

I just watch it again tonight. Such a great movie. Story, composition, technology, soundtrack, sets; everything is great.

[azalea]

Originally posted by IronParrot
...the philosophy behind it can be traced way, way back, and there's definitely a lot of very direct symbolism.



I'd love to hear more about this if you ever have time. Is there commentary about it on the dvd?

(Minority Report -- another one I kept rewinding on! Great movie!)

[BeardofPants]

Originally posted by Cirdan
I just watch it again tonight. Such a great movie. Story, composition, technology, soundtrack, sets; everything is great.

Except for the screen play. I hope they do a better job with the scripts for the next two movies.

[Cirdan]

Originally posted by BeardofPants
Except for the screen play. I hope they do a better job with the scripts for the next two movies.
Matrix One
"You are the one."

"No, I'm not."

"Yes, you are."

"Well, OK."

Matrix 2

"I'm the one."
"No, your not"
"am too"
Well, OK"

Matrix 3

"I'm still the one"
"but your dead"
"then she's the one"
"ahhhh, I see":D

[Lalaith]

(Minority Report -- another one I kept rewinding on! Great movie!)
Yeah, I really liked Minority Report, too.
Except for the screen play. I hope they do a better job with the scripts for the next two movies
What's wrong with the screenplay?

[Ornelírë Mistë]

Loved the Matrix. Favorite guy was Mouse, the little programmer guy.
Lots of Christian parallels in the game Deus Ex. Brilliant game- I recommend getting it. Sequel is slotted for June.

[congressmn]

Originally posted by Lalaith
I just love the first movie and I'm really looking forward to the next two.
We soon shall watch the first one again - in our catholic lessons (I don't know how to call in english). Our teacher says that Matrix has something to do with god and believing. Well, let's see.



ure teacher is an idiot. she's dumb. kill her!

god and matrix. god is she crazy or wht?

matrix is all about good programming.

believe me, God is messing around with ure teacher.

[Lalaith]

I don't think that my teacher is an idiot and we talked about the movie and there are things that are similar to the christian believings.
Yesterday I watched Crouching Tiger & Hidden Dragon, betweed it and the Matrix are so many similarities. It's unbelievable.

[Coney]

Originally posted by Cirdan
Matrix One
"You are the one."

"No, I'm not."

"Yes, you are."

"Well, OK."

Matrix 2

"I'm the one."
"No, your not"
"am too"
Well, OK"

Matrix 3

"I'm still the one"
"but your dead"
"then she's the one"
"ahhhh, I see":D

:D

I like the movie, in fact I just got around to buying a copy last Monday...............

I just wish they'd picked a different actor than Keanu Reeves, that guy is about as charismatic as a eunuch in an orgy:rolleyes:

[Fat middle]

Originally posted by Lalaith
I don't think that my teacher is an idiot and we talked about the movie and there are things that are similar to the christian believings.
Yesterday I watched Crouching Tiger & Hidden Dragon, betweed it and the Matrix are so many similarities. It's unbelievable.

i found some similarities. if not with christianism, at least with christian moratlity.

what it's clear to me, congressmn, is that it's not "about good programming":confused: what do you mean with that?

matrix is about the way you choose in your life. it first affirms that free will does exist. cannot remember the quote, but i think it's in the first dialogue between Neo and Morpheus. Neo refuses to think his life is determined and chooses to tread his own way though he knows that may be perilous. The Matrix is an imagine of determinism against free will.

then, we have Cypher's choice. (thre's an obvious refference in his name to Lucifer). he chooses a life full of pleasures, but most of all, the forfeit he asks for his betrayal is "don't remember anything". in other words, he refuse to "know the truth" of his life.

christian morality is based on this idea: man is free to choose, but his choice must be based in the truth. his choice is right (good) if he lives in the truth; if he lives in the wrong or does not want to know the truth, he's choosing the evil.

this is opposed to relativism, where the existence of "truth" is denied, and so the free will is only free choice and morality dissappears.

IMHO Matrix is related to Christian morality because it affirms the existence of a difficult-to-know and difficul-to-choose truth.

the programming stuff is also funny, though ;)

[Lalaith]

I like your description Fat Middle.

[Coney]

Originally posted by Fat middle
i found some similarities. if not with christianism, at least with christian moratlity.

what it's clear to me, congressmn, is that it's not "about good programming":confused: what do you mean with that?

matrix is about the way you choose in your life. it first affirms that free will does exist. cannot remember the quote, but i think it's in the first dialogue between Neo and Morpheus. Neo refuses to think his life is determined and chooses to tread his own way though he knows that may be perilous. The Matrix is an imagine of determinism against free will.

then, we have Cypher's choice. (thre's an obvious refference in his name to Lucifer). he chooses a life full of pleasures, but most of all, the forfeit he asks for his betrayal is "don't remember anything". in other words, he refuse to "know the truth" of his life.

christian morality is based on this idea: man is free to choose, but his choice must be based in the truth. his choice is right (good) if he lives in the truth; if he lives in the wrong or does not want to know the truth, he's choosing the evil.

this is opposed to relativism, where the existence of "truth" is denied, and so the free will is only free choice and morality dissappears.

IMHO Matrix is related to Christian morality because it affirms the existence of a difficult-to-know and difficul-to-choose truth.

the programming stuff is also funny, though ;)

Interesting. I always saw the film as more of an allegory about throwing off the restraints of christianity tho'..

If we look at some of the more obvious symbolism-

When Morpheous offers the choice of the red pill, or the blue pill. Everyone can see the reflection of the tale of The Serpent offering Adam and Eve the choice to eat from The Tree of Knowledge.

Zion, the last human city, is descibred as being "Deep underground, near the earth's core, where it is still warm".....pretty much where folks used to believe Hell was.

The real world is a desert that has a burning sky, see The Book of Revalations for that one;)

Agent Smith describes the first Matrix as "A paradise, a perfect world.........it was a disaster, Humans would not accept the program"........that pretty much sums up the whole book of Genesis.

The only way Neo can defeat the Matrix is by refusing to conform to the "natural" laws the Matrix has placed upon him...........to beat the Matrix he has to believe that it has no power over him.

Cypher's choice is more about returning to a life of blissfull ingnorance. He would rather take comfort in the illusion that is the Matrix and deny the truth. He has seen the truth, and he hates it.

[BeardofPants]

Originally posted by Lalaith
Yeah, I really liked Minority Report, too.

What's wrong with the screenplay?

The script is very cheesey, and wooden, IMO. Cirdan did a pretty good example. :D

[congressmn]

It is ALL ABOUT GOOD PROGRAMMING.

tell me seomthing: there would be NO MATRIX if there wasnt AI, and AI was a result of good programming.

sO IN conlusion and summary, good programming brings the end of a notable era of men. They had spread like a virus, and eventually their programming talents KILL THEM, well kinda any way, in a notable context at least.


And talkin bout christianity and the oracle's predictions, they are all so wrong. NEO was the ONE.


I think the watchowski brothers inadvertently put some christianity there if you know wht i mean.

So it's all about GOOD PROGRAMMING ANd it ain not one bit funny.

[Fat middle]

yeah:p

[Lalaith]

yeah, it might be about good programming, but in the background it still has something to do with christianity, like some explained above.
And another thing. ZION is actually a place from the bible.

[congressmn]

Originally posted by Lalaith

And another thing. ZION is actually a place from the bible.


Almost evry word, even randomly thought of is from the Bible if you ask me.

I am sure they dint mean to take ne thing outta the Bible.

It's simply not there fault that the word :ZION comes from the Bible.

[Fat middle]

Originally posted by Coney
Interesting. I always saw the film as more of an allegory about throwing off the restraints of christianity tho'..

If we look at some of the more obvious symbolism-

When Morpheous offers the choice of the red pill, or the blue pill. Everyone can see the reflection of the tale of The Serpent offering Adam and Eve the choice to eat from The Tree of Knowledge.

Zion, the last human city, is descibred as being "Deep underground, near the earth's core, where it is still warm".....pretty much where folks used to believe Hell was.

The real world is a desert that has a burning sky, see The Book of Revalations for that one;)

Agent Smith describes the first Matrix as "A paradise, a perfect world.........it was a disaster, Humans would not accept the program"........that pretty much sums up the whole book of Genesis.

The only way Neo can defeat the Matrix is by refusing to conform to the "natural" laws the Matrix has placed upon him...........to beat the Matrix he has to believe that it has no power over him.

Cypher's choice is more about returning to a life of blissfull ingnorance. He would rather take comfort in the illusion that is the Matrix and deny the truth. He has seen the truth, and he hates it.

LOL, you see how a movie may be interpreted different ways. That's the problem always with symbolism ;)

I'm giving you other symbols:

-Trinity resurrected Neo in the movie like The Holy Trinity resurrected Jesus.

-The whole search of Neo to know if he's the One resembles a theological idea (not admited by the Roman Caholic Church, but by other christians) that Jesus was not conscience of his divinity.

-Zion, as Lalaith mentioned is the Holy City of the Bible, David's City, that is an imagine of the people of Israel: Heaven in the Earth.

But to clarify my point, i'm not saying that Matrix is a treaty of christian doctrine. I've heard another interpretation that says that all those symbols are used to mean something about the incoming of a "new religion" in which cybernetic and technology have much to say. As if the new technologies were to change so radically the concept of human being that all our credos should be changed.

I see that as a possible way of interpreting the movie, and perhaps you could agree to it. But what i find most interesting is that in the end, as i tried to explain in the other post, all this ends reffering to christian morality. Thanks God :p

[Coney]

Originally posted by Fat middle
LOL, you see how a movie may be interpreted different ways. That's the problem always with symbolism ;)

I'm giving you other symbols:

-Trinity resurrected Neo in the movie like The Holy Trinity resurrected Jesus.

-The whole search of Neo to know if he's the One resembles a theological idea (not admited by the Roman Caholic Church, but by other christians) that Jesus was not conscience of his divinity.

-Zion, as Lalaith mentioned is the Holy City of the Bible, David's City, that is an imagine of the people of Israel: Heaven in the Earth.

But to clarify my point, i'm not saying that Matrix is a treaty of christian doctrine. I've heard another interpretation that says that all those symbols are used to mean something about the incoming of a "new religion" in which cybernetic and technology have much to say. As if the new technologies were to change so radically the concept of human being that all our credos should be changed.

I see that as a possible way of interpreting the movie, and perhaps you could agree to it. But what i find most interesting is that in the end, as i tried to explain in the other post, all this ends reffering to christian morality. Thanks God :p

Yup there is a lot of things you can interpret from the film.........the storyline has borrowed strongly (either conciously or or through coincidence) from an old RPG called Kult, although in Kult there was no "machine".....the "reality" (set in modern day) was an illusion created by God. (Ach, buy the RPG, I can't be giving a whole run-down of it here).

Still a very :cool: Sci-Fi flick tho:)

[congressmn]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Fat middle
LOL, you see how a movie may be interpreted different ways. That's the problem always with symbolism

I'm giving you other symbols:

-Trinity resurrected Neo in the movie like The Holy Trinity resurrected Jesus.

-The whole search of Neo to know if he's the One resembles a theological idea (not admited by the Roman Caholic Church, but by other christians) that Jesus was not conscience of his divinity.

-Zion, as Lalaith mentioned is the Holy City of the Bible, David's City, that is an imagine of the people of Israel: Heaven in the Earth.

But to clarify my point, i'm not saying that Matrix is a treaty of christian doctrine. I've heard another interpretation that says that all those symbols are used to mean something about the incoming of a "new religion" in which cybernetic and technology have much to say. As if the new technologies were to change so radically the concept of human being that all our credos should be changed.

I see that as a possible way of interpreting the movie, and perhaps you could agree to it. But what i find most interesting is that in the end, as i tried to explain in the other post, all this ends reffering to christian morality. Thanks God [\QUOTE]

it is christianity after all.
but they brought programming into it.

[Bombadillo]

I've never watched it in full. My brother loves it and he forced me to watch it once, but it was like 4:30 in the morning and I kept falling asleep. I should really see sometime shouldn't I?

Anyway, I can do 'the matrix!' I bend backwards so I'm about one third of my full hieght to dodge bullets. Whoa!

[congressmn]

Originally posted by Bombadillo

Anyway, I can do 'the matrix!' I bend backwards so I'm about one third of my full hieght to dodge bullets. Whoa!



wow cool, u can do the MATRIX.

i can do that too, though i dont think i can dodge bulletes as yet.

although i ususally get around with pleading, "o plz dont bullet me"

[Belle]

For my religious studies class we were told to watch the atrix and then write an essay on how it was based on Plato's allegory of the Cave. I feel the basis for this film really predates Christianity.

[Coney]

A brilliant essay on religious symbolism/concept in the Matrix:)

Wake up Neo! (http://whatisthematrix.warnerbros.com/)

Bah! It won't provide a direct link..........hit the Philosphy Section link on the page:)

[Fat middle]

woah! that's a page! lots to think there...

"vade retro!" *resisting temptation of reading it all tonight* :)

[gimli7410]

i dont think the matrix is as good as everyone thinks. i thought it was good but so many people think it is great but i didnt like in the ship how it was so dark and sometimes u couldnt see anything

[TheWhiteRider]

I didn't understand the matrix the first time I saw it, but every itme after that I understood more. Now after about ten viewings I completely understand it (I am a huge fan of that film).

[Lalaith]

I don't like it when Neo flies away in the end of the movie. Horrible.

[Linaewen]

Originally posted by Lalaith
I don't like it when Neo flies away in the end of the movie. Horrible.

Really? I love the ending. Now that I think about it, I can't remember any ending that I don't like *scuttles off to think about it*

[Lalaith]

Really? I love the ending. Now that I think about it, I can't remember any ending that I don't like *scuttles off to think about it*
I mean Neo and Trinity are just that cute, but it is really not realistic when he flies away.
Do you mean that you don't remember any movie, where you don't like the ending.

[Aralyn]

I LIKE MATRIX ALMOST AS MUCH AS TOLKIEN ITS A CLOSE SECOND
Trinity rocks. I even like the name oooh:D :) ;)

I like the ending becuase it signifies a beginning Get that?
And it's not to lovey type either

[Linaewen]

Originally posted by Lalaith
I mean Neo and Trinity are just that cute, but it is really not realistic when he flies away.
Do you mean that you don't remember any movie, where you don't like the ending.

It is realistic! *lalala*

I was referring to any ending, book or movie. I still haven't thought of any I don't like . My favourite endings tend to be sad or mysterious, like that of LotR, the Bitterbynde Trilogy or His Dark Materials. A bad ending is at the back of my mind now, but I can't remember which movie it belonged to. Sorry.

[Lalaith]

About endings: It's strange, but everytime I read the ending of LotR I start crying. It is sooo sad.
Normally I'm not satisfied fied non-happy endings but lately I haven't cared that much anymore.

Yeah, I know, the whole movie is really realistic.

[Linaewen]

Yes. The LotR ending has a tendecy to make people cry. I almost did. I know someone who cries when they read the last few lines...

[Lalaith]

Yes. The LotR ending has a tendecy to make people cry. I almost did. I know someone who cries when they read the last few lines...
I don't know why it makes me cry. It's strange. Uh, tha last few lines. :(

[Aralyn]

Just using this for fun, Its not a spoiler. Which one is next? Matrix Reloaded or Revoloution?

[Lalaith]

Reloaded, I guess from the title. The good thing about the Matrix is, that the ending was open so that some sequels are not too unrealistic.

[Jonathan]

There is an awesome new Reloaded-trailer at http://whatisthematrix.warnerbros.com/.
They have the same kind of breath taking special effects from the first movie.

[Linaewen]

Thanks Jonathan. I think I am downloading it now, it doesn't seem to work. I do have a Matrix code screensaver though, which I love.

[Lalaith]

Also downloading it ... has anyone of you already seen an Animatrix?

[Aralyn]

nope everyone keeps talking about them but I don't really know what they are.

[Lalaith]

Originally posted by Aralyn
nope everyone keeps talking about them but I don't really know what they are.
They are short little animations which show you, I think, what happened after The Matrix and before Matrix Reloaded.

[Jonathan]

I saw an Animatrix preview trailer. It looked quite nice, but it will be nothing compared to the real films.

[Aralyn]

Jonathan-Where did you see it.

[Lalaith]

Originally posted by Aralyn
Jonathan-Where did you see it.
I think you can download it. Wait a minute, I'll search for it.


Okay, I've found it. Take this link:
The Animatrix (http://www.intothematrix.com/)

[Aralyn]

Thanx

[Lalaith]

Originally posted by Aralyn
Thanx
It's my pleasure helping an elvish friend.

[Jonathan]

Originally posted by Lalaith
Okay, I've found it. Take this link:
The Animatrix (http://www.intothematrix.com/) Yes, that is the URL where I saw the trailer. Is anyone planning to see the real Animatrix films? Those Japanese animes can be quite good sometimes.

Originally posted by Lalaith
It's my pleasure helping an elvish friend. You elves seem obsessed with being elves :D

[congressmn]

Giamir Windgem is the best known JAP anime charachter.

[Jonathan]

Is he? Now I wouldn't doubt that! He looks like a lover of animes to me :D

[Lalaith]

Originally posted by Jonathan
You elves seem obsessed with being elves :D
Yes we are, but I would never dare to say something bad about the Atani.

[Jonathan]

Originally posted by Lalaith
Yes we are, but I would never dare to say something bad about the Atani. Yes, you better not dare. There are six billion of the atani in the world, and there are thousands of them at this board. The atani can easily be offended by the elves :D

EDIT: This is off topic. Help!

[Lalaith]

Originally posted by Jonathan
Yes, you better not dare. There are six billion of the atani in the world, and there are thousands of them at this board. The atani can easily be offended by the elves :D

EDIT: This is off topic. Help!
Back to the Matrix. I hope they will extend the love story (god, I'm female)

[Jonathan]

I just hope the second film will go to history for its special effects, just like the first film did. But the effects are not all, the story has to be good too, and a nice love story would surely spice the film up.
But when it comes to the Matrix, I think the effects are the most important.

[Aralyn]

Originally posted by Lalaith
Back to the Matrix. I hope they will extend the love story (god, I'm female)

Nothin wrong with that. I'm female too!:)

[Lalaith]

Originally posted by Aralyn
Nothin wrong with that. I'm female too!:)
I just meant that you could guess from my post that I'm female. Obsessed with the love story in a movie.

[Aralyn]

I meant Nothing wrong with wanting them too extend the love story and then I said, I'm female. I hope they do too. But not too much cause I like the action.

[Lalaith]

I always considered Matrix more a Love Story than a Action Movie. no, I'm just joking. No way that Matrix is without Action.

[Linaewen]

w00t!
Very excited- Matrix Reloaded coming out soon. We got this little Matrix ad-brochure type thing in the mail (About booking to see it) which I stuck on my door, right underneath the paper that has the 'All that is gold does not glitter' poem. (Okay, I am a freak. What of it?)

[Shadowfax]

eh, we're all freaks!

[Lalaith]

Yeah, yeah. We are freaks. You have not seen my HUGE LotR poster in my room. It's a cinema poster, really huge and gorgeous.

[Linaewen]

Originally posted by Lalaith
Yeah, yeah. We are freaks. You have not seen my HUGE LotR poster in my room. It's a cinema poster, really huge and gorgeous.

You have a poster? That's nice. I thought you didn't like the movie though? (Though this is somewhat rich of me to say this because I had the TT movie wallpaper for a while despite *cough* not liking it)

[Lalaith]

Originally posted by Linaewen
You have a poster? That's nice. I thought you didn't like the movie though? (Though this is somewhat rich of me to say this because I had the TT movie wallpaper for a while despite *cough* not liking it)
Me - didn't liking the movie. I loved it. I mean I like TTT far more, but when I saw the Fellowship, I didn't knew that TTT would be better.

[Linaewen]

Originally posted by Lalaith
Me - didn't liking the movie. I loved it. I mean I like TTT far more, but when I saw the Fellowship, I didn't knew that TTT would be better.

What? But you were going on before about how you were going to make the REAL LotR film?!

[Lalaith]

Originally posted by Linaewen
What? But you were going on before about how you were going to make the REAL LotR film?!
No, not LotR. The story of Turin and Nienor. (We were talking about filming other Tolkien stories)

[Linaewen]

Ritey-o then. Let's head over to the ME forum, huh?

On topic: (damn- I've been off topic even worse than usual today)
The Matrix is my favourite movie, alongside FotR (which is strange, considering I hate TT) and some others.
Can't wait til Matrix Reloaded is on! *waits for a couple of minutes so that she can see the Matrix screensaver*

[Lalaith]

Originally posted by Linaewen
Ritey-o then. Let's head over to the ME forum, huh?

On topic: (damn- I've been off topic even worse than usual today)
The Matrix is my favourite movie, alongside FotR (which is strange, considering I hate TT) and some others.
Can't wait til Matrix Reloaded is on! *waits for a couple of minutes so that she can see the Matrix screensaver*
Ya, can't wait to see Reloaded. Unfortunately I have no cent left to buy a ticket. Damn.

[Linaewen]

Originally posted by Lalaith
Ya, can't wait to see Reloaded. Unfortunately I have no cent left to buy a ticket. Damn.

When does it open in Austria? Here- May 16! May 16! (close to Mother's day I think)

[Sween]

Originally posted by Linaewen
When does it open in Austria? Here- May 16! May 16! (close to Mother's day I think)

that was last mouth wasnt it?

[Shadowfax]

Originally posted by Sween
that was last mouth wasnt it? Mother's Day? No, it's the second Sunday in May.

[Lalaith]

Originally posted by Linaewen
When does it open in Austria? Here- May 16! May 16! (close to Mother's day I think)
Gotta look it up ... wait ... 22 May!

[Linaewen]

Originally posted by Lalaith
Gotta look it up ... wait ... 22 May!
O! We are actually in front of someone for once! I'll tell you if it's good or not, Lai!(I promise I won't spoil it for you...;) )

[Lalaith]

Originally posted by Linaewen
O! We are actually in front of someone for once! I'll tell you if it's good or not, Lai!(I promise I won't spoil it for you...;) )
thanks, sm, it's only natural, because we have to dub it first.

[Linaewen]

Originally posted by Lalaith
thanks, sm, it's only natural, because we have to dub it first.

:confused:

[Lalaith]

Okay, now explaining it:

Thanks that you will tell me that it is good.

Of course most movies will be later in Austria, because we have to dub them first (hope dub is the right word).

[Linaewen]

Sorry, sorry. I understand. I didn't know what SM was. Why are you trying to hide its meaning, anyway?

[Lalaith]

no, not really. just tried to figure out who could guess the meaning and who not.
hurray, on May 15th I'll get my allowance and then I can go the cinema on the 22nd.

[markedel]

I hope I can go-I'm getting my wisdo teeth out the 13th...

[Lalaith]

sounds like pain

[Linaewen]

Very painful, I think. *commiserates with Markedel*

[Shadowfax]

The Matrix Reloaded comes out here (Canada) on May 15th. Yay!

[Lalaith]

austria is late, damn, damn damn

[Linaewen]

Yeah, well, at least you get to see it before I do. I'm watching after exams as a 'reward' of some sort. Can't wait. (The Matrix is on Saturday, so I don't have to rent it out because I don't own it -can't afford to own it presently, considering the way I spend all my money on Tolkien-related things)

[Aragorn_of_the_west]

I really liked the Matrix- one of my favs!
in Israel Reloaded comes out only on the 23-damn damn damn
(:rolleyes: :( :mad: ), but iv seen the previews and they were really good- a lot agent Smiths!

[Linaewen]

You're an Israelite as well? (Is that correct? What if you want to say something like 'You're Australian' but for an Israelite? Is it 'You're Israeli?' Sorry. I get fascinated by everything)

The trailers here are all right. They are on the short side- I guess they want people to go watch the short movies.

[Millane]

I got my ticket yesterday but the stupid thing comes out at 10 am on next friday ... what a stupid time. most big movies come out at midnight on a wednesday night (i dont care about lack of sleep) but 10 am in the ****ing morning is ridiculous. we got 3.45 tickets though so i wont complain too much.

[Linaewen]

$3.45? Is that what you mean? Ahhhhhh! Lucky Millane!

[Millane]

hahahaha not quite 3.45pm instead of the 10am one... im just happy to be going soon the trailers looked pretty cool.

[Lalaith]

Uh, I think I'll go at the end of the month. When I have time and money left. After all
BTW: Lin, come back, I have to tell you something, come back

[LadyGreenleaf22]

I can't wait for the new Matrix! It comes out here on May 15!

[Cirdan]

May 9th in the US on FOX TV... a preview/promo/making of at 8 pm est of Reloaded.:cool:

[Linaewen]

Originally posted by Lalaith
Uh, I think I'll go at the end of the month. When I have time and money left. After all
BTW: Lin, come back, I have to tell you something, come back

Same here. It can be a reward for studying so much for my stupid exams.

I'm here. Tell me what?

[Lalaith]

Originally posted by Linaewen
Same here. It can be a reward for studying so much for my stupid exams.

I'm here. Tell me what?
Told you already. (PM - Ireland). Just wanted you to be the first to know, my little soul mate.
uh, saw a matrix trailer yesterday (in the cinema) ... so exited

[Lalaith_Elf]

i saw it yesterday on tv.... my jaw dropped open it looked that good!!!! i can't wait to see it:D

[Lalaith]

Originally posted by Lalaith_Elf
i saw it yesterday on tv.... my jaw dropped open it looked that good!!!! i can't wait to see it:D
did you see the normal TV trailer or the really long cinema trailer?
I love the cinema one.

[Lalaith_Elf]

only the tv one.... haven't been to the cinema in a long time... no money *sniff*.... i'm gonna have to get my job back, stupid boss....

[Lalaith]

Hurray, I have seen the first Animatrix.

[Lalaith_Elf]

Originally posted by Lalaith
Hurray, I have seen the first Animatrix.

would somebody like to tell me, what the hell on of those is????

[Linaewen]

Originally posted by Lalaith
Hurray, I have seen the first Animatrix.
Lucky you. It requires Quicktime. To get that, that requires resetting the computer. Not gone on Entmoot? No way.

Matrix fans, what are your favourite parts? I personally love the training in the Matrix. :)

[Lalaith]

the training is very cool, but I love the love story between Neo and Trinity. They are so cute. I'm looking forward to seeing more of them in Reloaded.

The Animatrix are short movies about the system of the Matrix.

[Jonathan]

I too love the training. But I think my favourite part is when Neo and Trinity storms the building where Morphius is being held. Lot's of special cool effects and fighting scenes there.

Oh, and guess who just bought a ticket to Matrix Reloaded? :D . I'm going to see the film May 21.

[Lalaith]

Originally posted by Jonathan
I too love the training. But I think my favourite part is when Neo and Trinity storms the building where Morphius is being held. Lot's of special cool effects and fighting scenes there.

Oh, and guess who just bought a ticket to Matrix Reloaded? :D . I'm going to see the film May 21.
You already have your ticket? Midnights preview? (if you call it that way in sweden)

[Jonathan]

Originally posted by Lalaith
You already have your ticket? Midnights preview? (if you call it that way in sweden) No, I never goes to opening nights. But I'll see the film in the evening the same day as the opening one.

[Lalaith]

You mean Matrix starts already on May 21 in Sweden? That's unfair. In Austria it starts on 22.
Should I go to the midnights preview? No, I don't think so. I'm too busy with school. The next opening night for me will be RotK.

[Jonathan]

Haha, I'll see Reloaded before all of the Austrians :D

When does Revolution start in Austria? In Sweden, it's some day in November I think.

[Lalaith]

November. I guess. but that's nothing compared between the long gap of nothing between Matrix and Reloaded. I will survive waiting for it.

[Eruviel Greenleaf]

I'm seeing Reloaded in less than 24 hours! Yay! Just 45 minutes less, but oh well. Yay. :D

Also, can't wait for all the animatrix episodes to come out of DVD...I think that's happening in June, isn't it? I can't watch them on my computer, but maybe if I have a job by then, or got money for my birthday...*grin*

My favorite part is probably...oh, I dunno, there's so many! For special affects and the like, my favorite would be either the training sequence, or when they have that fight in the building where they're holding Morpheus--the one in the lobby. But I really enjoy trying to figure out what philosophy and mythology they stuck in there. I can definitely see some of Plato's Republic, or at least I think I can. . .;)

[Shadowfax]

Originally posted by Eruviel Greenleaf
But I really enjoy trying to figure out what philosophy and mythology they stuck in there. I can definitely see some of Plato's Republic, or at least I think I can. . .;) ...And Buddhist and Christian symbols and ideas as well...:)

[Eruviel Greenleaf]

Originally posted by Shadowfax
...And Buddhist and Christian symbols and ideas as well...:)

Yep, yep! So fun, looking for those. And how blatant could they get, naming him Neo? :)

[Coney]

I posted a link on Page 3 of this thread.......the site has some amazing articles on symbolism/religious references in Matrix

[Eruviel Greenleaf]

Originally posted by Coney
I posted a link on Page 3 of this thread.......the site has some amazing articles on symbolism/religious references in Matrix

Thanks for the link, Coney! :) Now, I'm not sure I'll ever get to sleep tonight, because I've just sat down to read every single article they have there and I know there will be no rest for me until I have, but oh well.

Philosophy is a wonderful thing. Perhaps I should switch my major. . .heh. . .:)

[Treebeard's apprentice]

I just saw Reloaded! Go me!

Fight scenes were great, even though they all seemed the same. My friend thought there weren't enough of them. She was kinda turned off by the philosophy and 'blah blah blah'(direct quote :rolleyes: ). I, however, thought that it was too much of a part of the movie to leave out. Plus I am kinda interested in philosophy.

However, I did think they took a little too much time setting up the story and explaining stuff that didn't need explaining. That meant they didn't do enough work on the ending. Don't want to spoil it, but I know a lot of people will be upset with it.

Just my two cents.

[Helix]

The philosphy is the best part about the Matrix! I haven't seen Reloaded yet, so I can't vouch for it, but I liked the exposition of the original Matrix. The set-up really made the movie better, IMO.

[Strongbow]

i dont really like the matrix <shrugs>

[Eruviel Greenleaf]

GRRRR ARRRRRR AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*screams in rage and frustration*

I had tickets for the 10:15 show this morning, had my alarm set so I'd wake up and go, but I didn't wake up until 11!!!!!!!!!! ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

That's $7 wasted, and I'm out of money, absolutely NO MONEY and I don't have a job yet in fact I've barely started looking and there goes that money, I'm not going to be able to afford another ticket for a long time so there it goes, I can't see it, and I was so looking forward to seeing it today, that's ALL I was talking about yesterday, and just because I stayed up a little late last night I don't get to see it for another age and....ARRRRRRRRRRRR

[Arathorn]

Matrix: Reloaded ROCKS!

I watched it twice today and yeah they had more than enough fight/chase scenes bit the story and the deeper layers of the Matrix's deception are slowly gradually being peeled.

However, I still can't take out of my mind that Neo is still Ted Theodore Logan trying to fight off Agent Smith who now sports additional "evil usses" and trying to melvin Neo and Friends. :D No Way, you say? YES WAY! LOL!

[Coney]

Originally posted by Arathorn
However, I still can't take out of my mind that Neo is still Ted Theodore Logan trying to fight off Agent Smith who now sports additional "evil usses" and trying to melvin Neo and Friends. :D No Way, you say? YES WAY! LOL!

that's an image I've fought to lose as well (although Bill and Ted would probably have destroyed the matrix easliy, albiet by total accident :D).

I get to see reloaded on Sunday :)

[Arathorn]

BTW, with nothing else coming out about Matrix: Revolutions, the long wait for the trailer which comes right after the 10 minute or so credits is definitely worth it.

[Lalaith]

Damn, you all get to see it before me. But anyway, there are still 3 Animatrix films which I have not seen yet.

[Eruviel Greenleaf]

Hmm, maybe I get to see it. um. sorry. heh. riiiight. . .no more whining for me. *knocks herself over the head* one of my friends saw it, he liked it. yay. :)

[HOBBIT]

the matrix :: reloaded was pretty cool. :)

[Lalaith]

Originally posted by HOBBIT
the matrix :: reloaded was pretty cool. :)
pretty cool? no more to say?

[LadyGreenleaf22]

pretty cool??? That was sooo awesome! Whoooo I loved it! I can't really tell you if the first or second is better, I'd say the plot was a lot stronger in the first one, but there were tons of amazing fight scenes and special effects in the second!

[wahine]

My Review.

Matrix Reloaded was, by no comparison, a let down.

The Matrix (1) was an intelligent (to my mind), "think" movie. It made you ponder...

The Matrix Reloaded had alot more fights, that last longer, and to parden the pun, pack a punch. The storyline isn't as complete as the first, and the dialogue is hardly what the movie was about.

I personally felt the massive orgy scene, and sex scene were unnecissary to the plot. There are tasteful ways in which to do these things (filming ahem ahem)[to tell that Neo and Trinity are oohing and aahing over eachother], and they should have taken into consideration WHO the movie goers would be. (teenagers who already see enough sex on television) The first Matrix didn't need to show Keanu Reeves naked to sell tickets.

Albeit, Reloaded is a good watch--and keeps your attention most of the time, it is not even in the same ball park as the first.

And who in the world would end a movie with...

"To be concluded"

Stupid...

[Eruviel Greenleaf]

I thought the second half was great, much more up to the standards of the first movie, and more philisophical, but the first half was disappointing.

The sex scene was entirely pointless, stupid, tasteless and boring. Honestly. And cutting it with the big rave-like scene in Zion was not at all artfull/whatever they were going for. Morpheus' speech was ever so cliched and I know I've heard it somewhere else. The fight scenes were wonderful but some of them dragged on. There are better ways, by far, to show how much Trinity and Neo love each other--all I got from that was a strong sense of Lust which is not quite the same, as far as I am concerned. Didn't make me feel anything for Neo--oh poor you, you won't get to have sex with this hot lady who looks good in skin tight leather anymore. Please. :rolleyes:

But, don't get me wrong, aside from these...complaints...I really enjoyed it :D

[Lalaith]

I don't know what you all have.

The sex/rave-party scene was my favourite. Zion looked like great fun. (sounding very shallow and dumb as I am saying this).

BTW, now I know why Neo was flying away at the end of the Matrix. Finally got the point of it.

[Eruviel Greenleaf]

Originally posted by Lalaith
I don't know what you all have.

The sex/rave-party scene was my favourite. Zion looked like great fun. (sounding very shallow and dumb as I am saying this).

BTW, now I know why Neo was flying away at the end of the Matrix. Finally got the point of it.

I disagree entirely. I thought it was the most pointless scene and nearly ruined the movie. But that's just my opinion ;)

Saw Reloaded again today, loved it again. And this morning they had this thing on the radio about philosophy and the matrix, which was really cool. So I thought a lot about all the philosophy in it again. That, in my opinion, is the best part :D

[Lalaith]

Originally posted by Eruviel Greenleaf
I disagree entirely. I thought it was the most pointless scene and nearly ruined the movie. But that's just my opinion ;)

Saw Reloaded again today, loved it again. And this morning they had this thing on the radio about philosophy and the matrix, which was really cool. So I thought a lot about all the philosophy in it again. That, in my opinion, is the best part :D
IMO, the scene did make sense.
1. To show that Zion was fun after all, that they were not only working and fighting, but that they knew how to enjoy life.
2. To show that Neo was always hunted by these dreams. Always.

[The Ben]

All right!! I love the Matrix!!

[Lalaith]

Watched it again yesterday. In English. I think I finally got everything about the movie and I love it more than ever. Watching the original language is so much better. I love Carre-Annes voice.