Of all the main "good" characters...who was your least favorite?

[ringbearer]

Tough one, I know! I did say least favorite...so this does not mean you dislike the character. I guess mine was Merry.

[galadriel]

Funny, I liked Merry. He was very common-sensical and reliable, a good guy to have around. But I guess he wasn't particularly interesting. I definitely liked Pippin better than Merry; he was a real michief-maker.

I didn't like Celeborn much. He came off as a bit haughty, both in Lord of the Rings and Unfinished Tales. I particularly disliked his grudge against the Dwarves. Poor Gimli! Yes, I know that some Dwarves from Ered Luin basically caused the fall of Doriath. Yes, I know that Elves are immortal so that a long grudge isn't such a sin in their case. But I think three ages is kind of stretching it! I didn't completely hate him, though. Galadriel seemed to like him, so I guess he couldn't have been *too* annoying. :)

[samwise of the shire]

I dislike Bilbo because he did'nt bother to come to Gondor either to see Aragorns wedding OR Frodo who was his cousin AND who had just gone through the most terrible pain to free the world and Bilbo was'nt there to help him just because he did'nt like packing:rolleyes:.
Sam

[Sister Golden Hair]

This is a hard one. Let's see. Surprisingly, I would have to say Gandalf. I liked him, but he seemed like such an old grouch. Another one would be Elrond. He just seemed like a stay at home sit on your butt kinda guy. I thought he could have done more then just council. He had one of the Rings of power. Why didn't he go with the Company, instead of a much younger and less experienced elf like Legolas. I just think he could have been more active in the quest.

[Ñólendil]

For your sake and for mine I won't pursue that one Sister. I wonder if you've discovered Elrond's relationship to Thingol ...:p

[Sister Golden Hair]

Very funny.:p

[Selwythe]

I don't like Merry and Pippin. They seemed "extra" to me, with unfunny jokes and mischief. Could've been made more interesting if Merry was female, as I'd first thought. In fact, I wish either this or that they didn't exist and the Fellowship stopped at seven.

[Elvellon]

Hi!
I’m back. :)

About Gandalf … well Sister, here we go again…. :D :D :D

[Banazir]

My least favorite would have to be Pippin. He's just too childish and annoying. Actually, I can't decide between him and Bilbo. Bilbo was very boring.
And regarding Elrond 'not doing more': he *did* heal Frodo after the Nazgul-attack. Frodo would have been dead otherwise, and there would be no ring-bearer.

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by Banazir

And regarding Elrond 'not doing more': he *did* heal Frodo after the Nazgul-attack. Frodo would have been dead otherwise, and there would be no ring-bearer. Yes, he did heal Frodo didn't he? But, do you think he could have been more helpful as a member of the Company? I mean he wasn't very useful after the company left his house.

[Elvellon]

Quote:
"Yes, he [Elrond] did heal Frodo didn't he? But, do you think he could have been more helpful as a member of the Company? I mean he wasn't very useful after the company left his house."

This is true, but wasn’t he afraid of the Ring’s influence?

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by Elvellon
Quote:
"Yes, he [Elrond] did heal Frodo didn't he? But, do you think he could have been more helpful as a member of the Company? I mean he wasn't very useful after the company left his house."

This is true, but wasn’t he afraid of the Ring’s influence? Absolutely. Wasn't Gandalf as well? He was a member of the company though. Of course he was a maia, and maybe more capable of dealing with any effects of the ring. Sorry, I just didn't find Elrond to be an exciting character. He is a good guy, just a dul one.

[Elven Warrior Maiden]

Didn't Gandalf and Elrond both have one of the 3 elven rings?

Might that have something to do with them not wanting to mind the ring?

[Banazir]

Originally posted by Sister Golden Hair
Yes, he did heal Frodo didn't he? But, do you think he could have been more helpful as a member of the Company? I mean he wasn't very useful after the company left his house.

OK, I agree that Elrond could have done more for the Fellowship. But definitely he had his reasons not to join the quest. He was, after all, the ruler of Rivendell, and he had to mind his land & people.

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by Banazir


OK, I agree that Elrond could have done more for the Fellowship. But definitely he had his reasons not to join the quest. He was, after all, the ruler of Rivendell, and he had to mind his land & people. This is true, but Elrond would not be the first Elf to leave his realm in the hands of resposible others to persue a worthwhile cause. What were his reasons for not joining the quest?

[ringbearer]

Originally posted by Sister Golden Hair
This is true, but Elrond would not be the first Elf to leave his realm in the hands of resposible others to persue a worthwhile cause. What were his reasons for not joining the quest?

I think Elrond could not go...something to do with "The Last Alliance"...he was there once before! What about Celeborn...what a nobody!

[Sister Golden Hair]

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D

[Ñólendil]

Mainly because Sister Golden Hair has smiled too much ( :p ), I quote here from 'Who is like the wise Elf' by Michael Martinez:

Celeborn is called "the wise" but many readers feel he doesn't live up to his reputation. The general view seems to be that Galadriel could outmaneuver Celeborn in a one-way street, or lead him any way she pleases. Galadriel only really outshines Celeborn in one scene, but she does get her own scene with Frodo and Sam, whereas Celeborn sits back and lets Galadriel do most of the work in ferreting out the Fellowship's motives and intentions.

It is Celeborn, however, who understands and acknowledges the implications of the Fellowship's actions or indecision. Galadriel is praised for her gentle admonishment to Celeborn when he regrets his welcome of Gimli and his companions, upon learning that a Balrog dwells near the border of Lorien. But Celeborn does quickly assess the danger to his people: if the Balrog had been roused by the Dwarves, then it plainly might follow the Fellowship into Lorien. Gandalf, too, seems to have understood what could happen -- and that is why he sacrifices himself. There is no other way to prevent the Balrog from achieving whatever end it has in mind. Frodo and the Ring are in the gravest peril from the Balrog, and even Lorien's Elves wouldn't be able to protect him.

Celeborn also perceives the doubt and confusion in Aragorn, when it is time for the Fellowship to depart from Lorien, and therefore Celeborn gives Aragorn some extra time to think by providing the Company of the Ring with boats. The boats allow Aragorn to defer his choices for at least a few more days. But Celeborn, like Elrond before him, engages in a bit of foresight. When the Fellowship leaves Rivendell, Elrond and Gimli exchange truisms about oaths and abiding by them. Their words foreshadow events to come.

In a similar, though briefer exchange, Boromir elicits a warning from Celeborn concerning Boromir's mistrust of old wives tales. Those old wives, Celeborn points out, often remember things that were once important to know. Although Fangorn Forest is the subject of Boromir's scoffing, it is an old wife in Minas Tirith, Ioreth, who later on recalls rhymes of lore which inspire Gandalf to bring Aragorn into Minas Tirith to heal Merry, Eowyn, and Faramir (and, ultimately, many of the city's sick people -- thus endearing Aragorn to the population and proving that he is the rightful king).

Celeborn thus exhibits a perception unlike Galadriel's, yet proves he is one of the Wise. But his wisdom lies in his shrewd ability to judge people's needs and address those needs. Galadriel's wisdom is more a wisdom born of long and sad experience. She has learned the bitter lessons history has to teach, and she is wiser for such experience. Galadriel and Celeborn complement each other, but neither is strikingly superior to the other. Celeborn is, in fact, quite decisive, whereas Galadriel is deliberative and cautious.

[Sister Golden Hair]

Gosh Inoldonil, you didn't have to go to all that trouble because of me:p :D , I read this at Suite 101. Very interesting article. I don't think Celeborn is not wise, I just don't like him. He reminds me of another guy from the First Age who shall remain nameless.;)

Btw, I bought Morgoth's Ring today. I'm soooooo happy!!!

[Ñólendil]

So you don't like him because he reminds you of the nameless guy (no, I won't mention Elwe either -- oops! :eek: )? In what way? Must be the tallness, the silver hair, the political power and the racism. Er, never mind, I'm not sure what I'd be arguing about assuming I chose to. That won't do.

Anyway the quote might serve to show some people that the Lord of the Galadhrim was not a nobody.

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by Inoldonil
So you don't like him because he reminds you of the nameless guy (no, I won't mention Elwe either -- oops! :eek: )? In what way? Must be the tallness, the silver hair, the political power and the racism. Er, never mind, I'm not sure what I'd be arguing about assuming I chose to. That won't do.

Anyway the quote might serve to show some people that the Lord of the Galadhrim was not a nobody. Actualy, I would have to say it is the racism. His treatment of Gimli reminds me of what's his name and Beren I guess.

[galadriel]

OK, so maybe Celeborn isn't pond scum. :) Certainly he's wise. But his dwarf grudge still bothers me a bit, and, next to Galadriel, he's kind of dull. Thanks for the quote though. I must have missed that article! It makes a good point, that Galadriel's and Celeborn's wisdom are equal, but distinctively different.

What's that Elrond not being able to go because of the Last Alliance? I hadn't heard that before. I always figured that Elrond was needed more in Rivendell--the Quest already had Gandalf and Aragorn as guides, and Rivendell was an important haven to maintain. He could have left it to someone else, but I can't think of anyone else in the area quite as capable as Elrond.

[Sister Golden Hair]

How about Glorfindel?

[Ñólendil]

Maybe. He seems more like a captain and a great warrior than a political leader to me. I don't doubt Elrond would have sent him had Pippin and Merry been forbidden.

But the number to be sent out had to be small, and the number that was decided on was nine, because it fit (Nine Riders that are evil, you know). So they felt bound by that number. I don't see how Elrond could have gone. Only if Pippin and Merry could not, I think, but even then it would be wiser to send others and govern Imladris.

I think though, that if Elrond had gone, he would have left Erestor in charge, him being Elrond's chief counsellor. But Erestor by no means had the wisdom to match Elrond.

[Sister Golden Hair]

After giving this matter more thought, I have decided that maybe Elrond should have just stayed home. He was not an acomplished warrior, but maybe more of a diplomat. What were his battle qualifications in the field as far as the Last Alliance? But if he had been asked to join the Company, he could have gone instead of Legolas. The number would still have been nine, and he would have represented the Elves. But, would that have been acceptable since he was half-elven? So, again, maybe it is best that he stayed in Rivendell.

[Prince Faramir]

the nine riders against the 9 walkers i think was to create something stronger that morgul spells, although being a significant number the people were more important. for instance elrond or some other great figure, Glorfindel would have drawn more attention to the party when secrecy was paramount. the hobbits were included because of gandalfs great forsight. he knew they had a part to play not just on the field of battle but back in the shire. the 9 perfectly suited the task. i am confident that elrond had the strength and wisdom to be an unequaled warrior but what already has been said is true. he was needed to govern imladris and perhaps prepare for the time that the elves departed to the west.


interesting question though, how different would the quest have been with differing members.....

[Ñólendil]

Absolutely. If Faramir had gone to Rivendell instead of Boromir, if Glorfindel had gone instead of one the Hobbits. Think of Glorfindel and the Bridge of Khazad-dum if they would have reached it! Or maybe you shouldn't, Balrog discussions are dangerous.

Certainly if Pippin and Merry had not been allowed to come (which would probably mean that Gandalf would not have vouched for them, which would probably only happen if Gandalf was not present, which means something would have had to have happened for Gandalf not to be there at the time), two Elves would have replaced them. That was a long sentence. Glorfindel _must_ have been one of them, surely? He was sent (back) to Middle-earth evidently to aid Elrond, but being the mightiest (I imagine) of the inhabitants of that vale he would have been sent. It's a good thing Pippin and Merry came.

There was something more in it than foresight though, I think. It is even as Aragorn said to Legolas and Gimli in Riders of Rohan: 'The counsel of Gandalf was not founded on foreknowledge of safety, for himself or for others,' said Aragorn. 'There are some things that it is better to begin than to refuse, even though the end may be dark. ... '

[galadriel]

Yes, I think that Gandalf's decision had a lot to do with foresight. Many of his decisions did, for example the value he placed on Gollum. He knew without a doubt that Gollum would play an important part at the end. I think it was the same thing with the Nine Walkers.

I would have liked to see more of Glorfindel, and I certainly think he would have been a Walker if the hobbits hadn't gone. Faramir as a member of the Quest would be interesting as well, for many reasons. For one thing, isn't it possible that Frodo and Sam would meet *Boromir* in the woods on the way to Mordor? If, under these circumstances, the ring was revealed, the outcome could be very unpleasant.

[Kirinki54]

Was it really that certain that Glorfindel would have been sent, had Gandalf not persisted with Merry and Pippin?

"`There remain two to be found´, said Elrond. `These I will consider. Of my household I may find some that it seems good to me to send´"

It sounds to me in that case Elrond would search his mind and that would not have been needed, had he ever considered the mighty Glorfindel. (Was Glorfindel even technically of Elrond´s household, I perceive him more as a guesting elf-lord?) And Gandalf´s mention of Glorfindel was more like strengthening his own argument by using the ultimate comparison, than naming a serious option.

Well, that is one interpretation.

[Elvellon]

There is a problem with Elrond leaving Imladris; it was is ring that allowed him to hide it from Sauron, if he left Imladris would be revealed and all the elves and dunedain there would be at peril. Of course he cold have left his ring with Erestor, but Erestor didn’t had enough skill and power to use Elrond’s ring as effectively as Elrond, again putting Imladris at risk as a result. Golfindel? he was a much better choice as a companion that as ruler of Imladris, (a warrior that had faced a Balrog already…).

It is also possible that, since Elrond and Galadriel used elven rings, they were more open to the temptation of the One Ring.

[galadriel]

You have an excellent point there, Elvellon. Rivendell was an important Elven fortress, and to leave it without a ring would be pretty foolish.

As for the ring causing temptation being a cause: I'll agree that, psychologically, wearing one of the Elven rings might create temptation for the One Ring. Power corrupts and can create a lust for more power. But I don't think that the rings would cause their wearers to want the One Ring more than any other role of power would--Boromir, heir to the Steward of Gondor, seemed to manage quite well unaided by Elven rings. And the Rings themselves could not have any tempting effects on the wearers, since they were made by Celebrimbor alone and were inherently good.

But I suppose that you're thinking of Galadriel.

While Galadriel was tempted by the Ring, it was more of a personal battle. The power that the One Ring seemed to offer was something that she had always wanted (although her intentions were certainly better than those of the Ring's creator). The limited power that she had through Nenya probably accentuated this want, but I think this was just because of her individual case, not because of the Nenya itself.

So, in a nutshell, I don't think that wearing the Ring would make Elrond more tempted by the Ring.

[Sindarin_1]

Someone mentioned the relationship between Thranduil and Elrond. Where can I find information on that? Has anyone
found anything about how Celeborn and Thranduil are
related? I've heard the generic 'kinsman' but wondered
if there was more. Any guidance would be greatly
appreciated as I flounder through all of these writings.

as far as least liked character goes, if Boromir is counted
as a good guy, he'd be the first off my list. Boromir was
a bore.

[Ñólendil]

Welcome!

I don't remember reading anything about Thranduil being related to Celeborn or Elrond, but I guess it's possible. Thranduil's father Oropher was in origin a Sinda of Doriath, for what it's worth. In Doriath lived Elwe and his brother Elmo, Elmo's son Galadhon, Galadhon's children Celeborn and Galathil, and Galathil's daughter Nimloth (Elrond's grandmother). In this vague genealogy full of people we know virtually nothing about there is room for unnamed relations, but I've never read about Oropher fitting in there.

[IronParrot]

I think Elrond would probably have chosen his two sons. Yes, those ones.

[Sindarin_1]

Originally posted by Inoldonil
Welcome!

I don't remember reading anything about Thranduil being related to Celeborn or Elrond, but I guess it's possible. Thranduil's father Oropher was in origin a Sinda of Doriath, for what it's worth. In Doriath lived Elwe and his brother Elmo, Elmo's son Galadhon, Galadhon's children Celeborn and Galathil, and Galathil's daughter Nimloth (Elrond's grandmother). In this vague genealogy full of people we know virtually nothing about there is room for unnamed relations, but I've never read about Oropher fitting in there.


Thanks for sharing that information. I initially found the information about Celeborn and Thranduil in a 'reference'
book called The New Tolkien Companion by J.E.A. Tyler,
published by St. Martins Press in 1979. Under the entry
for Thranduil it says: "A Lord of the Sindar and a kinsman of Celeborn of Lothlorien, and for at least two Ages of the World the Elven-king of Northern Mirkwood." It goes on for about a page and a half, but that's where I picked up the idea those two
were related somehow.

From what you say, this isn't verifiable, so I gather this is not the most reliable source of information for me to be using. Guess that explains why I'm having such a tough time tracking that down <G> I do appreciate your help in clarifying this.


Y'know, we can blame it on Sesame Street, but I'm having a hard time dealing with an Elf named Elmo....

[Ñólendil]

*chuckles* Yes, that's what I thought at first. Elmo! I don't doubt Tolkien would have changed the name had he forseen the popularity of the fuzzy, red Elmo on Sesame Street. I've used the name so much -- reading it, writing it and speaking it -- that I've gotten used to it now. It's not as bad as Teleporno ('Celeborn') by a long shot, though. Teleporno is actually a beautiful name in Telerin, but it has a different sound to native speakers of English, naturally. And there's not a lot of Teleri left in the world.

[IronParrot]

LOL!

Note to self: don't name kids that

[Elessar_elfstone]

Maybe my least favourite character doesn't seem right, but I kind of dislike Frodo in someway cos he is kind of pathetic and with Samwise only blindy devoted to him


Hey...umm pls don't feel insulted if what I said isn't pleasing:(

[samwise of the shire]

Frodo is kind of pathetic yes, but in the way Gollum was pathetic. I mean he had to carry this Ring that was doing it's work on him slow and easy, instead of quickly like it had on Boromir, so he had to suffer more and it made him hagard and tired,plus he was whipped, poisoned, betrayed, stabbed, and he had to have his finger bitten off to get rid of the Ring. But I would say that Sam was fully devoted, and not just Blindly.
Sam

[Bregalad]

I never liked Boromir. Even before his moment of darkness on the hill, I thought he was a self righteous hedge pig! I'm glad he came out of his funk in time to try to save Merry and Pippin and sort of redeem himself. But after he died I sure didn't miss him.

[Ñólendil]

Sindarin_1, J. E. Taylor was probably thinking of Celeborn's words to Legolas when he first greeted him. Celeborn said something like 'Too seldom do my kindred journey here from the North'. When Tolkien first wrote the LOTR, Celeborn was conceived of as a Silvan Elf. That I guess is the limit of the sense 'kindred'. Taylor probably took it to mean 'family', and so made Celeborn out to be a relative of Thranduil, Legolas' father. The word 'kindred' has a different sense now that we know Celeborn was a Sinda (Grey-elf). Legolas was also a Sinda, though of the Silvan folk of the Woodland Realm.

[Elbereth Gilthoniel]

Sorry if I have mistakes in writing but my english is not so good.

I think that my least favorate was Gimli, I just like too match Aragorn or Legolas.
It might be because he is a dwarf and they don't look so nice.

[Elbereth Gilthoniel]

OOOOOPPPPSSSSS!!!
It don't suppose to be here
(it suppose to be a reply)
Sorry

[Wayfarer]

Oops. ;)

[Ñólendil]

Fixed :)

[Rána Eressëa]

Gosh, that is a hard one. Hmm . . . I've got to say Goldberry. Never really liked her too much. She's okay and all, but just not a favorite.

[BeardofPants]

Reviving all the old threads? :p

I'd have to say ... Butterbur. Chrissake man, just SHUT UP. ;)

[Rána Eressëa]

[wise Gandalf voice] I decided for once to go on a major discovery of peril and great distance, to find all the worthy elder threads buried far in the past of Entmoot, and advice my wise councils upon them, for they had not yet heeded the great wisdom of my words [/wise Gandalf voice] . . . why? :D

That and there isn't a point in starting threads that have already been started before. And most of the threads today are *soft whisper* Stupid . . .

Yeah, Butterbur is quite annoying sometimes. ;) But I like him. There's just something about Goldberry I don't like, though . . .

[cassiopeia]

I would have to say Boromir, then Frodo. When Boromir died, I wasn't even that sad. Maybe he did redeem himself at the last, but I still dislike him. Frodo annoyed me a bit when him and Sam were near Mount Doom. He couldn't stop moaning and groaning, while Sam put up with everything! Butturbur is a bit of dope, I mean, if Gandalf asks you to do something you would do it!

[Telperion]

I would say Borimir but he isn't what I would call a truly Good character, he is sort of half and half. After Borimir I would say Haldir in Lothlorien. He is very cold and distant, especially to Gimli. i realize that elves may have reasons for disliking dwarves but, since Gimli was with people like legolas and Aragorn, he could have been nicer.

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by Telperion
I would say Borimir but he isn't what I would call a truly Good character, he is sort of half and half. After Borimir I would say Haldir in Lothlorien. He is very cold and distant, especially to Gimli. i realize that elves may have reasons for disliking dwarves but, since Gimli was with people like legolas and Aragorn, he could have been nicer. He was only following the law of the land, and when word came from Galadriel to allow them all to walk freely, I thought Haldir was very gracious.

[Shadowfax]

I didn't really like Celeborn.

[Minyacamiel]

I REALLY disliked Merry, I LOVED Pippin... But yeah, I'd have to say I didnt really like Galadriel...sorry to say but maybe its because of the way they portrayed her in the movie... she confused me... can anyone enlighten me?

[BeardofPants]

How can you dislike Merry? :eek: He just about organised the whole thing!

[Khadrane]

Does Boromir count as a good guy? If so, then him. I can't think of anyone else at the moment.

[cassiopeia]

Boromir was a good character, it's just that he could not resist the ring. This is the book forum, so the movie portrayal of Galadriel has no bearing. Merry is cool, he did some very good academic work (not to mention some good things in battle).

[Sicirus]

i don't like Boromir that much. He was one of the good guess who just did not go to my liking. He was a bit crazy and, well to human.

And farmer Maggot. I just never liked him for the fact that he was just kinda dumb.(no offense to people who like him:D ) He was ignorant to the history of the ring and Middle Earth. In so he almost got Frodo to turn around and go back.

[entss89]

i would have to say borimor.:)

[entss89]

wate a second i think it might be gimli then.:)

[entss89]

no no wate maybe bilbo!:)

[entss89]

okey now i have it. its borimor.:D

[Treebeard_00]

Well my over all favorite would have to be.....Aragorn

[cassiopeia]

Did Farmer Maggot how some dealings with Bombadil? I wouldn't call him dumb.

[BeardofPants]

Farmer maggot knew a lot more than he was given credit for. Tolkien himself said that Maggot was a strange one.

I'm not sure about direct dealings with Bombadil, but he certainly wandered into the old forrest.

[Linarryl]

I don't like Frodo. All he does in Mordor is hang on to Sam's back lazily. He never walks!
Oh Sam! I too tired to go to Mordor. Carry me!
~Frodo:rolleyes:

Frodo also isn't so good a fighting. All he does is hide.

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by Linarryl
I don't like Frodo. All he does in Mordor is hang on to Sam's back lazily. He never walks!
Oh Sam! I too tired to go to Mordor. Carry me!
~Frodo:rolleyes:

Frodo also isn't so good a fighting. All he does is hide. Now now, I think you are being a bit too hard on Mr. Frodo. Afterall, he had a great burden by having to carry the Ring, and he had been terribly wounded. Although Master Elrond healed the wound and saved his life, he was never without the effects of it. Frodo was not a coward IMO.:p

[Coney]

Fredegar "Fatty" Bolger.

Imagine NOT WANTING to accompany Frodo and the others on their adventures:eek: .......... soft lad our Fatty:mad:

Also if he hadn't blown the horn of Buckland then maybe the Nazgul would have been stalled a little longer and the hobbits would have made it to Rivendell unmolested:( .

Of course having the Nazgul linger around the Shire wouldn't have been much fun either, but the fate of the world was at stake!:D

[durin's bane]

Aragorn. Can you say "show-off"? :p

But, really, he was all like, "I'll fight the Ring-Wraiths! I'll look into the Palantir and confront Sauron! I'll lead the people to Helm's Deep! I'll take the Paths of the Dead!"

Don't take my word for it, I just don't like Aragorn.

[Renille]

You...you don't like...Aragorn?? NOO!:p I happen to love Aragorn, but that's me.

MY least favorite good character is Frodo. So weak, so helpless, so sad. I wish that he would have at least made more of an effort to resist the ring and not be so fatalistic all the time. I found it awful. But again, that's ME!

[Sicirus]

Well you kinda hafta consider how long Frodo had the ring and the fact he never really heeld from the Nazgul wound. Think of yourself in his place and being human and all would make you more vulnerable to the rings evil powers. Basicly ya he was a bit weak. But he never actually worked as he grew up in the Shire physicly(I think). Frodo got further than most expected and he survived the Nazgul wound. You have to give him a bit of credit.:D :p

[crickhollow]

Originally posted by Linarryl
I don't like Frodo. All he does in Mordor is hang on to Sam's back lazily. He never walks!
Oh Sam! I too tired to go to Mordor. Carry me!
~Frodo:rolleyes:

Frodo also isn't so good a fighting. All he does is hide. You've been overly influenced by the movie, Lin. He sprang forward at the Witch King on Weathertop...granted, it didn't do much good but the WK was a pretty scary guy.

He drew first blood in Moria as well. "The Shire!"

*re-scans post* Also, what SGH said.

[Finglas]

I know that I'll probably be banned from the moot for this one, but I would have to say Legolas. Even Tolkien admited that he achieved the least of those in the fellowship.

[Fred Baggins]

Borimir! He was soooo mean to poor little Frodo. And I guess that answers who my fave was to!

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by Finglas
I know that I'll probably be banned from the moot for this one, but I would have to say Legolas. Even Tolkien admited that he achieved the least of those in the fellowship. Nah, we won't ban you for that. Besides, Legolas was the least impressive of Tolkien's great Elves, but he was still an Elf, and that made him great.:)

[Lanelf]

Gandalf! He was an obnoxious grumpy old guy, and he cam back from the dead (why couldn't he just stay dead, hmm?!?) and he made everyone so sad for NOTHING when he was not really dead anyway and dagnamit he was annoying!
Sorry. Ranting again. But he really annoyed me!:mad: ;)
Lanelf.

[Aeryn]

My least favorites...Elrond (in this story, he doesn't have much dealings or anything so...axe him) and Arwen.

[durin's bane]

Oh, I forgot to add Boromir to my list. I don't exactly hate him, I like him in some parts, but he's so proud and greedy that it's nearly impossible to like him. However, he's got his moments with me. I'm not a fan of the race of Men.

[Cirdan]

It's got to be Denethor for me. A manifestation of so many human weaknesses. I guess he was supposed to be sympathetic but I didn't feel it.

EDIT: WOOHOO! Number 1000!:cool:

[olsonm]

Originally posted by Cirdan
I guess he was supposed to be sympathetic but I didn't feel itDenethor was a villain. Certain parts of his tale were pathetic; and as such these specific parts might inspire sympathy but on the whole he was villainous. So your feelings (or lack there of) are quite appropriate.

[BeardofPants]

Hmm. Deja vu. :eek: I don't think Denethor's character can really be classified as villainous.... Flawed maybe, but not villainous.

[Cirdan]

That's why he is unlikeable. Sauron is an excellent example of a villian. Denethor is just weak-minded and flawed. His motives aren't evil but his influence is evil. At least you know where Sauron stands.

[olsonm]

Originally posted by BeardofPants
Hmm. Deja vu. :eek: I don't think Denethor's character can really be classified as villainous.... Flawed maybe, but not villainous. It can be seen as both. His attempted murder of Faramir is certainly more than simply flawed. His thoughts were of Gondor and his position in Gondor, alone. In the context of the story this can be seen as villainous (though not irredeemably evil) esp. since he carried out these thoughts to their bitter conclusion. A villain is, of course, always flawed but because Denethor died without repentance I see him as more than just flawed: a villain. (Though, certainly of a lesser degree than Sauron).

[BeardofPants]

Originally posted by Cirdan
That's why he is unlikeable. Sauron is an excellent example of a villian. Denethor is just weak-minded and flawed. His motives aren't evil but his influence is evil. At least you know where Sauron stands.

Yeah, I'd go with that. It comes down to evil actions, not an evil character.

[olsonm]

Originally posted by Cirdan
That's why he is unlikeable. Sauron is an excellent example of a villian. Denethor is just weak-minded and flawed. His motives aren't evil but his influence is evil. At least you know where Sauron stands. I don't know if that makes much sense. You know where Denethor stands as much as Sauron. His motives are evil in the story (a desire for personal power that overrides reason). Rather, let us say, that Denethor is less likable because his motives are so petty; in the face of so much sacrifice by the heros of the tale. Denethor didn't have to do what he did, he knew better. His mind may have snapped at the end but that was mostly his fault.

[Sicirus]

When did Gandalf ever die????
Then come back????

I don't like Aragorn SOMETIMES. But I really don't like Denether. he was weak and to proud. He also supported war alittle, Just a liitle to much.

[The Rip Designs Dude]

yeah Gandalf never died, his physical form was just destroyed

[Sicirus]

Welcome to the moot TRDD.:D Hope you have fun.

[Radagast The Brown]

Welcome TRDD.

I think mine would be Sam. I don't know why.... :rolleyes: I didn't like him.

[Erawyn]

I think eveyone in the Fellowship was great, so i guess my least favourite character would have to be Arwen, but i'm not really sure why. I guess because she really just doesn't do anything but is still pretty important, i just didn't find her that interesting.

[Lanelf]

I know Gandalf didn't really die, but as TRDD said, his physical form was destroyed. To me that just about counts as dying.
I've just watched way too much science-fiction.;)
Lanelf.

[Goldberry1]

My least favorite would have to be Gimli. I'm not really sure why but I just never really liked him that much.

[Dussander]

That gay Legolas bothers the hell out of me..


Also I think most of you are missing the point, the topic is "of all the MAIN GOOD characters, who is your least favorite? not Out of every character in the book who is your least favorite?


Just thought I'd clear that up.

[durin's bane]

Hey, Boromir is in all the books. Can't you see his spirit behind those trees from time to time? I thought Tolkien clearly stated "There he was. A pearly white figure. Solemn and sad, silent as a long-forgotten forest. "Hark!" called Legolas. "For it is the ghost of Boromir!"

Just kidding. I made that up.
:p

[Nurvingiel]

It's tough to pick out of the fellowship, they're all so cool! (I am removing all trace of the movie from my mind... mwa mwaaa there's was a movie made? Okay, on with the post...)

Lets try the process elimination.

Legolas and Gimli are awsome, them plus Aragorn really make the Two Towers for me, which is my favourite Tolkein book.

Aragorn and Gandalf... too cool for words, especially Gandalf.

Merry and Pippin make my TTT experience complete, as they are great.

Sam is do Hobbit! Frodo is a puzzle. Back to him later.

Boromir saved them all on Caradhras.

Okay, puzzling Frodo is my least [b]favourite[b]. He's still cool though!

[Erawyn]

Right so if i had to pick my least favourite, i totally agree with Nurvingiel, it would have to be frodo, which i guess is pretty bad, and its not like i really don't like him, but hes the least interesting.

[Nurvingiel]

I don't dislike Frodo either. He's my least favourite only because I can't identify with him as well as I can with the other characters. I don't think he's boring at all though, I think he's one of the more developed characters in the Lord of the Rings.

[Bard]

Tough question, but I think I could give an answer to it.
My least favorite main character would have to be Sam, he`s just so bloody ignoring with his stupid thoughts about most important things. It`s like sending some kindda unscooled peasant to solve a problem which could effect the lives of millions. Though he makes progress at the end of the book, and he`s the best supporting friend one could immagine, so therefore he isn`t that bad afterall.

[Sicirus]

hey whats with putting down Tolkien's most unique charatcers. "hobbits" Well I guess I really never liked some of the hobbits. I don't like Gimli. only because he seeems, Well toooooo dwarfish for me. He likes to put out alot of pride when they first meet. He was a very good character though. He was described as kind and helpful.

[Asfaloth]

My least favourite Good character is definitely Gimli. But that's maybe because I don't like Dwarves. He never seems to have anything of interest to say, or any suggestions of what to do next.

[Lanelf]

Originally posted by Bard
My least favorite main character would have to be Sam, he`s just so bloody ignoring with his stupid thoughts about most important things. It`s like sending some kindda unscooled peasant to solve a problem which could effect the lives of millions.
Well, that's what it was, isn't it?:confused:
Lanelf.

[entss89]

it would have to be lord elrond he is so boring please help me i think im falling asleep!:D :p ;)

[Dunadan]

At least he had some personality (in the book; the movie version is pretty flat so far).

I think I get wound up by "too-good-to-be-true" characters. Hence, Aragorn sometimes gets a bit annoying latterly in TTT and ROTK. However, if I'd been in the story, I think Legolas' constant singing while I was trying to sleep would have driven me round the bend.

[Sicirus]

Well they said that his singing was very nice. Plus if they wanted to shut him up they would have a) asked him to politly to stop
singing.
b) if that fails throw an apple or a
pine cone at him.:D

[Nurvingiel]

I'm with you Dunadan, since we are talking about the books here, we have to say that book Gimli is cool. If he's somebody's least favourite character, that's different then disrespecting him.
After all, Frodo might be my least favourite character, but I still think he's awesome!

On a similar tangeant, which of the main evil characters do you like the most?

I like Saruman the best. (Good taste in pipe-weed ;))

[Silverstripe]

I think of the good characters Arwen would be my least favorite. I'm not sure why. Perhaps because sometimes it seemed like she was just there

[Dunadan]

Originally posted by Nurvingiel
On a similar tangeant, which of the main evil characters do you like the most?

Lobelia, though she probably isn't what you'd call evil...

Shagrat, then. With a name like that, who would stand in your way?

[Miranda]

Originally posted by Silverstripe
I think of the good characters Arwen would be my least favorite. I'm not sure why. Perhaps because sometimes it seemed like she was just there

Totally. Sometimes she just seems like some non entity who just happens to spring up now again- although she plays an important part in a way- showing the struggle for the elves when it comes to leaving. She can't be the only immortal in love with a mortal, so it highlights the struggle there. I can't decide who my least favourite is though- sometimes I love the characters and other times I just think WHY??? Mx

[Nurvingiel]

I like Shagrat and Gorbag too! When I was a kid, my Dad read the entire series to my brother and I. He did these great voices for the orcs. I also like that long-armed guy... d'oh! I can't believe I forget his name...:p

[Lollypopgurl]

Ummm...that's hard to say...

I guess Celeborn. He was kinda mean to Gimli.

Not to say that Galadriel has bad taste or anything...:D

[Lollypopgurl]

Nurvingiel, his name was Grishnakah or something....

Lol, can't spell half the names in LOTR.

[Aragorn_iz_cool]

ARWEN!!! STUPID SHE- ELF- B*tch stole glorfindels house.

If it has to be a followship member, boromir.
1. He's annoying
2. He insolted Aragorn

[Nurvingiel]

^_^ Thanks Lollypopgurl, his name was Grishnah. I don't know how to spell it either, but that's how I pronounce it. :)

[Sicirus]

Originally posted by Aragorn_iz_cool
ARWEN!!! STUPID SHE- ELF- B*tch stole glorfindels house. And why does SHE get Aragorn? :mad:

If it has to be a followship member, boromir. 1. He's annoying
2. He insolted Aragorn
3. Aragorn kissed him!!! (He's mine, my own, MY PRECIOUSSS)

ER....
Come down it was just a friendship brotherly kiss.:D
Plus Arwen married him. And it was not Arwen's fault they put her in place of Glorfindel. (I love Glorfindel. I would have loved to see him in the movie more then Arwen.):D

[Silverstripe]

Originally posted by entss89
it would have to be lord elrond he is so boring please help me i think im falling asleep!:D :p ;)

*defensively* (I like being defensive today) I like Elrond! Then again, I am the gal who mainly talks with family about science and theology (We have discussions about the soul, different denominations, church history, creation v. evolution, robots, quantam physics, how computers work and why they often don't, and it's all considered perfectly normal family conversations. In fact, theology and science are almost ALL we talk about, with some LotR and other books mixed in. I'm not kidding!)

[Nurvingiel]

I like Elrond too! (I wanted to say, "The Matrix has you Frodo" but this is the book forum.) Elrond is so awesome in the book. He's the epitamy of an ancient, wise, slightly cynical, battle-hardened elf.

[Meriadoc]

Elrond was boring .I almost fell asleep.zzzzzzzzzzzzzz!:D

[ringbearer]

WOW! I started a post that has (now) 116 responses!

BORING?! :rolleyes: I liked Elrond...book version, of course!

[cassiopeia]

Elrond is great - he is wise, brave and honest. He fought in the last alliance and knew that the one ring must be taken to Mt. Doom to be destroyed. The council of Elrond is probably the best chapter in the LOTR.

[Sicirus]

I love Elrond. He is so wise and brave.
If you look at my favorit character in my profile you will find Elrond.
He knew things of the ring and its passed that many knew nothing of save Isildur.

[AudrentheRanger]

My least favorite is Boromir. What a traitor!

[addmirall]

Hi All!!

I think Tom Bombadil is my least favorite good guy. All that hey-na-ni-na-ni junk
got on my nerves. And what was the deal with he and Goldberry, were they shacking
up or what?

It's a Monday so maybe I'm just in a particularly foul mood this morning, but all the
tra-la-la-la gang (including the elves) were pretty annoying. All that singing and
merrymaking while the world is falling apart. They're freaking immortal, couldn't they
do more?!

Addmirrall
Queen of the Crankies

[Lizra]

I'll have to say Eowyn, overly depressed people drive me up the wall, and the way she hit on Aragorn always bugged me. I sympathize with her situation, but I just don't like her. (till she meets Faramir, starts to SMILE, and grows plants....Then I REALLY like her! :D )

[Dunadan]

Originally posted by addmirall
Hi All!!

I think Tom Bombadil is my least favorite good guy. All that hey-na-ni-na-ni junk
got on my nerves. And what was the deal with he and Goldberry, were they shacking
up or what?

Har har! I'm sure there's a thread about that somewhere.

Something that's always bugged me is how the eagles turn up at the end and turn the tide of the battle, like the cavalry in some cliched Western. What are they doing the rest of the time? How about a bit of Nazgul-harrying earlier on in the piece?

Oh and welcome addmirall.

[Nurvingiel]

The reason Eagles turn up conveniently at the end of a battle is only to save our sorry asses. They don't like to be involved in other people's affairs, but since they despise evil, they will get involved if absolutely necessary.

In the Battle of the Five Armies, they joined in when the good guys really needed some reinforcements. Had the others been able to win alone, the Eagles would have left them to their own devices.

Gwaihir personally saves Gandalf's ass from Saruman's tower.

Gwaihir and two 'lieutenants' save Frodo and Sam from Mount Doom.

Better a late cavalry than none at all!

[Sween]

i dont like frodo much at all

[Silverstripe]

Originally posted by addmirall
Hi All!!

I think Tom Bombadil is my least favorite good guy. All that hey-na-ni-na-ni junk
got on my nerves. And what was the deal with he and Goldberry, were they shacking
up or what?

It's a Monday so maybe I'm just in a particularly foul mood this morning, but all the
tra-la-la-la gang (including the elves) were pretty annoying. All that singing and
merrymaking while the world is falling apart. They're freaking immortal, couldn't they
do more?!

Addmirrall
Queen of the Crankies

I like Tom Bombadil, personally, but, hey, that's me. And I'm almost certain Tom Bombadil and Goldberry were MARRIED.

The elves? They weren't so "tra-la-la-la" in LotR as they were in The Hobbit, and I don't think they COULD have done more at that point. The elves's days on Middle Earth were coming to an end, remember.

[Elf.Freak]

my fav was Gandalf:) even though I prefered Legolas in the film:D

my least fav was Frodo...I just don't like him...much...

[Eothain]

Mine would be Elrond

[Nurvingiel]

A lot of people said Elrond was their least favourite 'good' character. Does that mean you just like eveyone else more, or that you actually dislike him?

In either case, why is that. I'm just curious about why so many people chose the same character. I'm curious to see if it's for the same reason.

[OrlandoFan234]

[COLOR=deeppink]Hey, To tell you the truth that was really hard to figure out who was my least favorite character, but I think that it would be Sam Gamgee! He was funny but he kind of always lagged behind on the journey!! You know what I mean? :confused:

[Lanelf]

Welcome OrlandoFan234! And I like Sam too... he's just so sweet and innocent! Aaaawwwww! *wanders off somewhere in a happy daze*
Lanelf.

[cassiopeia]

Originally posted by Nurvingiel
A lot of people said Elrond was their least favourite 'good' character. Does that mean you just like eveyone else more, or that you actually dislike him?

In either case, why is that. I'm just curious about why so many people chose the same character. I'm curious to see if it's for the same reason.

I hope it's not because of the movie. :rolleyes:

[Sween]

Originally posted by OrlandoFan234
[COLOR=deeppink]Hey, To tell you the truth that was really hard to figure out who was my least favorite character, but I think that it would be Sam Gamgee! He was funny but he kind of always lagged behind on the journey!! You know what I mean? :confused:

read the book

[OrlandoFan234]

Which one was Elrond? I don't remember her? If someone could tell me that would be great!! Thanks
*~OrlandoFan234~*

[OrlandoFan234]

Elf.Freak,
How come you liked Gandolf so much I didn't really like him but I'm with you on Legolas(Orlando)!!! He is sooo HOT!
*~OrlandoFan234~*

[BeardofPants]

Oh man. :rolleyes: Have you read the book? That would be a good place to start, OF234. Elrond is the MALE (half) elf who lives in Rivendell. Arwen was his daughter from Celebrian.

[Nurvingiel]

The Chaper "The Council of Elrond" would be a good place to start if you don't have time to read the whole book... what am I saying!?! You have to read the whole thing! :)

[Blackboar]

lol

Although I don't know what you mean ringbearer by "good characters" (I mean, they were all good, right?)
I would have to say Grimli, he never seems to do much!

And don't diss Sam OF234. I think he's great! (But not as good as Pippin!!! ;) )

[Aragorn2]

I must say I don't like Bilbo. I only like him for Frodo's sake.:)

[Sicirus]

You all will probably kill me for this but I don't like Tom Bombadil or Goldberry. They are toooo Merry.

[Nurvingiel]

Welcome Aragorn2! :cool:

But why don't you like Bilbo? It's fine if he's your least favourite, but this thread would be a lot more interesting if people also outlined their reasons, like addmirall did. (And me too, way back there somewhere...)

:)

[OrlandoFan234]

Blackboar,
I wasn't dissing Sam! I even said that he was funny it's just that he kind of lagged. He just wasn't my favorite and yes, I did like Pippen though!!
~OrlandoFan234~

[Blackboar]

Hmmm....

Oh well, I don't really like Celeborn. I think he's boring.

[Faelnor]

Treebeard. I don't know why, I just don't like him.

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Gandalf the White is powerful, wise, and just plain cool. :cool:

[ShrikeArghast]

I hate to say this, but I wasn't a big fan of Frodo. In my opinion Frodo was a weak-minded, childish homosexual, who just got more cranky and whiny as the book progressed. I definately held Samwise Gamgee as the true hero, and the persona who was really responsible for the destruction of the ring, not his caddy, poorly selected counterpart. By all rights Frodo should have been killed in Cirith Ungol, and Samwise left to carry on the real mission of importance. I was cautiously optimistic that, upon finding out that Frodo had survived Ungoliant's child's sting, the Dark Lord would succeed in capturing the wretch and covering the lands in a second darkness.

Besides, perhaps that would have caused the Elves to return and lay down the law-- as it should be.

[Nurvingiel]

Welcome to the Moot Shrike! I said Frodo was my least favourite as well, because he's very puzzling and I didn't identify well with him. Also, he doesn't have a lot of common sense regarding Ring concealment. (Let's play with the Ring in my pocket while I stand on a table in the middle of a pub and sing, and hey... new plan, do a backflip off the table and put on the Ring. Whoops!)

I can see why you'd think Frodo might be gay, and if so, I'd be fine with that. However, I think that if anyone's gay, it's Sam (one of my favourite characters.) Frodo's not very gay. (Neither is Sam, but if you're going down that road...)

[cassiopeia]

I really can't see any reason why Frodo would be seen as gay. He and Sam loved each other, but they wern't in love with each other. He was only (in Hobbit terms) 50 when the war of the ring started and then went to the undying lands. Perhaps if he had stayed in Middle Earth he would have married. I don't think Sam is gay, either, I mean, he did marry Rosie and have 13 children.

[Nibs]

Originally posted by cassiopeia
I don't think Sam is gay, either, I mean, he did marry Rosie and have 13 children. Could be a front. And a very good one, too.

Just kidding. That notion is pure nonsense. Besides intermittent hand-holding and words of affection (both of which are merely misconstrued through present societal beliefs), there is no basis for that theory between Frodo and Sam. They have a genuine friendship... the likes of which our time scarcely sees.

But back to the thread... when I first read The Lord of the Rings, I disliked Galadriel. I mean, she helps out the Fellowship and everything (I'm speaking as I felt then, mind you), but she's so... creepy about it. Reading their thoughts and asking rhetorical questions... no wonder stories about the forests of Lorien and the sorceress that live there are so dreadful.

Since that first read, I've grown to respect her character much more (like Gimli, sort of).

[ShrikeArghast]

I think Galadriel is a character that is misunderstood by a LOT of people. For example, I think a lot lot of people believe that Galadriel was tempted to seize the ring from Frodo for a few moments in Lorien, whereas I believe that she was merely playing devil's advocate and trying to show Frodo how corruptive the ring could be, even to a high elf (it's funny, because I think that the people who made LotR the movie drew the first conclusion as well, which led to the freakiest, most unwelcomed scene in that movie. Gack!). Galadriel (and Elrond, who's been bashed here before) is a really important character. She and Elrond, among very few others, offer a link to the past-- a look into the unspolied world of the Valar. This is important for the series, because it connects it completely with Tolkien's other works, and gives a familiar face for all the novels.

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Yes, Frodo and Samwise had a deep, true and pure friendship, the like of which will probably never be seen in our time...so sad...:( They were closer than brothers. What would the professor have thought if he'd known that this pure closeness he created would be construed as homosexuality?

In respond to the post above: I am fairly certain that Elrond never saw Valinor, at least not till after the War of the Ring. I agree with you about Galadriel; I don't think she was tempted, at least not nearly as much as they thought. I actually liked Bakshi's depicition of her better than PJ's.

[Nurvingiel]

I didn't really think they were gay, I was just trying to point out that it doesn't matter. I did it badly, but anyway, they are definately the best of friends no matter what their orientation is. And considering when the book was written, I really don't think either of them is gay.

[Ërendil]

I didn't like Celeborn, but that is because he doesn't seem to do much.

[Varda Oiolosseo]

I agree I'm not that bothered about Celeborn.

Frodo and Sam did have a close friendship! I like the way how in the film Frodo always said "Oh Sam"!! ;) Only Joking!
They were just good friends!

[Nurvingiel]

Maybe Celeborn didn't happen to do a lot in LOTR, but historically he did loads of stuff. (This is where a knowledgable person would back me up ;)) He and Galadriel are a team!

In FOTR, even though he didn't do anything to particularly like, he didn't do anything to dislike either. Except he was mean to Gimli, but he wouldn't be the first elf.

[Sicirus]

ic: I personaly liked Frodo and Sam. They had a great friendship which all people with friends cherrish. We all want a friend ship as strong and loyal as that of Sam and Frodo.
Plus just think Frodo was very strong in the Barrow downs and with the wound of the Nazegul. The other hobbits were taken at once in the Barow downs. Though it was true Frodo was a bit careless at times with the ring but imagin it being you in the tavern with Ringwriaths close by calling for a clue on were the ring is and its capture. But no one, not even an elf could destroy that ring alone. So both Frodo and sam neede each other in the destruction of the ring. They were both great characters with a strong loyal friendship to the death.:D

And I also like Celeborn because he really did hold council, and he was rather appealing in his elfish ways.:D

[Nurvingiel]

Thanks for the back up on Celeborn Sicirus! I knew he did cool stuff, I just didn't know what. :) By the way nice avatar. Hee hee.

The Two Towers is my favourite book, and I like Merry and Pippin more than Frodo and Sam in that book. But once Frodo and Sam have been through so much in Return of the King, and Sam has been a Ringbearer, I really come to respect them.

[Varda Oiolosseo]

I liked all the hobbits! oh and i really like Legolas!

I wasn't a massive fan of Bilbo! I liked him but not as much as the others!

[Sicirus]

Thanks Nuringiel. I don't like to put the good characters down much. Especially the hobbit (good hobbits) and elves. Cause I am pretty shure someone can argue with my least favorit character Goldberry. Or Denether. I have grown a new respect for Boromir. He is kinda cool now.

[Curunír]

I like everyone! Maybe Barliman Butterbur not so much as the other fellows, but I like him too. I'm not a hateful boy... :cool:

[Lief Erikson]

I think my the character in LoTR whom I like least is probably Arwen. I like all of the characters, but she isn't very important at all, and I'm glad they're stepping up her role in the movies.

[Nibs]

Originally posted by Lief Erikson
I like all of the characters, but she isn't very important at all, and I'm glad they're stepping up her role in the movies. And for that reason, I wouldn't consider her a "main" character in the book, but I'm glad of that, too.

[Blackboar]

Hmm....I'm glad she's only in flash-backs!!

:D :D:D

[Elf Girl]

Originally posted by Blackboar
Hmm....I'm glad she's only in flash-backs!!

:D :D:D

I don't think they're flash-backs, I think they're dreams or something of the sort.

[Elenka]

Hmm...I dunno. I didn't like a lot of people. Definitely Arwen didn't make my Top Ten Characters List. Also, sometimes I didn't like Frodo over-much either...He seemed to diminish in importance and hero-ishness as the story goes on...

[Nurvingiel]

Frodo isn't in my top ten either, but I don't think he becomes less of a hero.

He increases in hero-ness until he destroys the Ring. Then, he doesn't want to fight anymore. In the Scouring of the Shire, he avoids it at all costs, and helps keep others from killing needlessly. It takes a great hero to do that too.

He's a different kind of hero than Merry and Pippin, who are captains of war. Merry and Pippin are important too, but you could call Frodo a captain of peace.

[LegolasRoX]

That's funny, I considered Arwen and Frodo to be a few of my favorite characters....I would say that my least favorite overall would have to be Boromir. He seemed to be extremely arrogant and selfish in my point of view. But I think he died a very honarable death anyways.

How come you didn't like Frodo? I think he is very strong to carry a ring that powerful...he is great in the books too.

My favorite character is Legolas, not because of him in the movie....but because of his cleverness and the way he lead the fellowship. As said in the extended DVD version, he was the "eyes and ears" of the fellowship. My second favorite is Gandalf though!

[Attalus]

Originally posted by Bregalad
I never liked Boromir. Even before his moment of darkness on the hill, I thought he was a self righteous hedge pig! I'm glad he came out of his funk in time to try to save Merry and Pippin and sort of redeem himself. But after he died I sure didn't miss him. LOL, my opinion, exactly. I have always wondered why Aragorn was so tender to him. Must have been the Healer-King in him , and sympathy for the dying.

[Aragorn_iz_cool]

Originally posted by Sicirus
ER....
Come down it was just a friendship brotherly kiss.:D
Plus Arwen married him. And it was not Arwen's fault they put her in place of Glorfindel. (I love Glorfindel. I would have loved to see him in the movie more then Arwen.):D



Come on.... Everyone knows Arwen hit Glorfy over the head with Something :D The only question is what:confused:

[Attalus]

I thought that Arwen left Glorfindel back at Edoras, tied up when she swiped Asfalof. :D

[Nurvingiel]

I don't dislike Frodo at all! I like Frodo, it's just that I identify with other characters better than him, and therefore like him more.

It's hard enough to decide which Fellowship member you like the least - different than disliking. :)

[Lady of Rohan]

I don't know who i liked the least. i liked pretty much every one in there own way. but i liked all of the hobbits and elves (well i didnt really like arwen in the movie's but this is the book forum). i'd say that my least favourite would be denothor.

[Nurvingiel]

I mean I like other characters more than Frodo because I identify with them better... whoops.

[Dwarven Sen]

Its a Frodo Vs Arwen fight to the worst, and the loser wins.

[Nurvingiel]

Are you saying you like neither of these characters? Or that you dislike them?

[Dwarven Sen]

I dont hate them, they just irritate me hugely.

[Nurvingiel]

How can Arwen irritate you? She speaks about four times. Are you a Eowyn + Aragorn fan?

[entss89]

i hated arwen they made her act so big in the movie like a macho warrior!

[Nurvingiel]

Well... I meant the Arwen in the book. (I thought you didn't like book Arwen.)

What do you think about book-Arwen?

[Dwarven Sen]

Book Arwen is a minor Arwen. Hence she doesn't irritate too much, and she gives frodo her ticket on the one way trip. Film Arwen pops up at times when quite frankly there is no need.