This Is Huge

[fatclown]

MIDDLE EARTH IS EARTH. YUP YUP I KNOW U THINK IM CRAZY. But if you look at atlasas and evedance:

-most of elves leave, orcs die off, humans reighn, ents leave dwarves dwindle.

-if you look at geography you can see how the world slowly evolves into ours. The sunlands look suprisingling like North and south america. LIndon! (where london would be) HArad looks exactly like Africa. Easterlings (china and japan????) Mordor's mountains look very himalayean, and the south lands look very much like india.

I think this was a story that tolkein made in the scenario that the world once existed!

This brings a shining light onto the world of middle earth! please comment! Ill add more evidance

[ringbearer]

We all already knew that...because the stories are true!

[fatclown]

I KNEW IT :p

[Sister Golden Hair]

Hey, where is Valinor? I want to go there.

[fatclown]

valinor is heaven, duh. now be a good elf and go worship manwe

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by fatclown
valinor is heaven, duh. now be a good elf and go worship manwe Well maybe you need to reread the Silmarillion. Valinor was on earth devided from Arda by the Great sea. So, if Tolkien fashoned Middle-earth after the real world, then Valinor is on earth. Heaven would be where Iluvatar lives in the timeless Halls.

[Kyote Fields]

But after the last of the elven ships sailed over the straight way (or the narrow way I forget which one it is - hint hint - straight and narrow...;) )Then Valinor left the world forever. I was outside the world after the fall of Numenor already. This just finished it. I think Valinor on earth was kind or an Eden that humans (Numenors) lost after they tryed to userp God (the Valar).
Food for thought...

[fatclown]

goodness, i am quite aware of what valinor is. I was just joking around. No need to quote me on it either!:rolleyes:

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by fatclown
goodness, i am quite aware of what valinor is. I was just joking around. No need to quote me on it either!:rolleyes: That's ok fatclown. Btw, how did you know I was an elf?:)

[Ñólendil]

I don't know how he knew, I don't recall hearing it either, but I've always pictured an Elf when I see your name.

'Middle-earth' is indeed a mere Anglicization of an archaic word meaning 'the habitable land of Men'. The War of the Ring is supposed to have taken place 6000 years before History, so to speak. I often forget many assume Middle-earth is a different planet or something. We're supposed to be living in the Seventh Age. Sort of absurd, if you just think about the Truth (or Reality) we know.

[ArwenEvenstar]

so would Canada in some places (such as Prince Edward Island;) ) would be like the shire.........

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by ArwenEvenstar
so would Canada in some places (such as Prince Edward Island;) ) would be like the shire......... I wonder. I have always pictured England, or Ireland to be the Shire.
I wonder where Mordor is?

[Ben]

Geographically, if the part of Middle-earth involved in the story is Europe and a southern continent extends similar to Africa to the southeast of Mordor as in some maps, then Mordor would be the Middle-east :p

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by bmilder
Geographically, if the part of Middle-earth involved in the story is Europe and a southern continent extends similar to Africa to the southeast of Mordor as in some maps, then Mordor would be the Middle-east :p At this point in time? How depressing.

[Ñólendil]

Cf. Nurnen and the Black Sea.

[Eowyn, The Lioness]

I have a theory that "dinosaur footprints" were really Orc footprints. :D

[easterlinge]

Hey, maybe those humanoid ape fossils said to be humanity's ancestors are in fact Orc bones.

Grishnakh was described as being rather ape-like. :)

[Finmandos12]

Middle earth is actually the translation of the Norse word Midgard, from the old viking legends

[fatclown]

Originally posted by ArwenEvenstar
so would Canada in some places (such as Prince Edward Island;) ) would be like the shire.........

No canada was in the sun lads. Middle earth was Asia, india, eruope and harad was africa...

[fatclown]

actually mordor is right above india- that means it consists of the himalayan mtns. The misty mtns are withered down to the urals and the mtns which gondor is on (white mtns??) are the alps..:D

[Selwythe]

Um, if Tolkien was born in South Africa, would he always metaphorise the Black Lands to be Africa?

Hey wait...he experienced a World War there, right?

[Ñólendil]

I'm not sure what you mean Selwythe.

In response to fatclown:

No canada was in the sun lads. Middle earth was Asia, india, eruope and harad was africa...

I'm not entirely sure whether the 'Sun Lands' business is not entirely an imagining of David Day, but Middle-earth included all the lands of Arda excluding Elenna and Aman (by which I include Tol Eressea). It would thus now correspond to the whole of Arda, since the others have been buried or removed. It may be that Tolkien decided the ancient land masses that would many years later be known as the Americas only arose after the destruction of Númenórë.

[rashbold]

Middle-earth of course means the world we live in (Old English middan-geard, Old Norse Midgard). Remember these lines?

Éala Earendel, engla beorhtast,
ofer middan-geard monnum sended,
and sôðfæsta sunnan leoma
torht ofer tunglas, þu tida gehwane
of sylfum þe symle inlîhtes!

O Earendel, brightest of angels,
over Middle-Earth sent to men,
and (the) true light of the sun
radiant above the stars, which thou
of thyself ever enlighteneth!

Note the first line: Aiya Eärendil elenion ancalima!

Anyway, has anyone noticed that the place-name Minhiriath ("between the rivers") is etymologically equivalent to Mesopotamia?

[Ñólendil]

Fascinating! Didn't know that. I wonder if that was an accident. Tolkien made a few very remarkable linguistic accidents, you know.

[Selwythe]

I was saying that Tolkien probably metaphored Africa as Mordor/Harad/evil lands because he fought in World War 1 there.

[Ñólendil]

But there were 'good'* people living in the far South, and Nurn was a free land after the destruction of Sauron. Why, in the First Age it was the North that had an evil name.

I think Tolkien selected Mordor/Harad/evil lands (as you put it) as the abode of Sauron and many of his subjects by geographical necessity.



*I use the word here to express people allied against the Dark Lord.