New Trailer

[Comic Book Guy]

Tonight on Angel on there will be a showing of the new Trailer for the LOTR:FOTR. Unfortunatley I won't be able to see it because its on a American Channel and I live in N.Ireland. If anybody will see watch it will they please post a summary(With Spoiler warnings).

[IronParrot]

Tonight? I thought it wasn't until next week.

Let me check what TORN says...

[ringbearer]

I could be wrong, but...I think this is a trailer we have already seen.

[IronParrot]

The NEW trailer is on Monday the 24th, with the "Angel" season premiere, which I probably don't get around here anyway.

[ringbearer]

Originally posted by IronParrot
The NEW trailer is on Monday the 24th, with the "Angel" season premiere, which I probably don't get around here anyway.

Forgiveth me IP...I guess you would know if it is a NEW trailer or not!:)

[IronParrot]

Well to be honest I just get my news off TORN :p

[Comic Book Guy]

Whats everybodys hopes for this trailer, I hope to see(or hear) more Gollum.

[Darth Tater]

The trailer they will be showing with angel on monday is NOT NEW. It's the second theatrical trailer

[Comic Book Guy]

It says on the offical site that its the new trailer, I think its going to be the MTV non-music awards one. Oh the disapointment :(

[IronParrot]

No, no, no.

According to every source I've been able to check that I can find reliable, this is new. As in, actually new.

Straight from the OFFICIAL WB press release on the "Angel" premiere:

Not only will the series, which debuts its third season on Monday, September 24 at 9:00-10:00 pm ET be broadcast in letterbox format, ANGEL will also give viewers the opportunity to get the first look at the new trailer - in it's entirety - for the highly anticipated theatrical release: "The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring."

During the season premiere of ANGEL , The WB will broadcast the World Premiere of New Line Cinema's trailer for the epic adventure "The Lord of the Rings."

If it's not new, I'll be pissed...

Actually, I don't think I even get WB here, and I have no idea what station would have the Angel premiere in its stead...

[Darth Tater]

Sweet god in heaven that was incredible! I can't wait for the movie!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[IronParrot]

Since when did you become an optimist? :p

Gripe gripe gripe... I didn't see Angel because I don't get WB... gripe gripe gripe... oh well, should be posted online sometime or other.

[IronParrot]

Oh hey! It's been reported that when the trailer is posted on the Official Site (whenever that is), it will be in QuickTime, not RealVideo...

Of course, I've only seen AICN report this, so...

EDIT: TORN reported it too. But guess what. I can't find it!

And I was just informed that it was on in my area tonight.

// IP is notably distraught

[Comic Book Guy]

The trailers on the offical site are too congested, and nobody else has digitalized it and uploaded it, The torture is unbearable!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:

[Darth Tater]

Why don't torn and aicn have mirrors up! It's undownloadable, and I need to see it again! AAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!

[Comic Book Guy]

Good news! ! I found another mirror hooray!!! But it only shows the smallest version. I guess i'll have to wait a couple of days for my Quicktime full screen version.

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/emmanuel.chastelliere/fellowship_320.mov

[Comic Book Guy]

That was fantastic, even if it was small.

Elijah Wood was brilliant,
Liv Tyler was brilliant,
Ian Mc Kellen was absolutely amazing,

YOU SHALL NOT PASS!!!!

[anduin]

!!!!!! OMG!!!!!!! The Bridge!! :D Downloading saveable version now.

BTW, how does one go about making a mirror?? I use them all of the time, but I really don't know anything about them. :confused:

Woo hoo!!! Download complete!

[IronParrot]

Someone just gave me a link to a bigger version - haven't checked to see if it works yet, but I will now.

ftp://24.83.10.138:8668/fellowshipofthering_fs.zip

[IronParrot]

Oh. My. God.

I. just. saw. it.

[noldo]

"If you want him, come and claim him."

A thing of beauty, I must say. The performances were absolutely astonishing, so were the special effects (isn't this the first trailer were we get to see some CG action?). Music was great too, especially in the council part.

BTW, I love the troll.

[XRogue]

Oh

My

God!!!

That was great!!



YES!! YES!! YES!! It WILL be good!!


/me does happydance

[Comic Book Guy]

Just a note, AOL have given the offical site more bandwidth so normal downloading shall resume.

[ringbearer]

Had to download 37 megs...30 for trailer and 7 for Qtime v 5...toook almost 15 minutes with DSL...! I liked this trailer! See frame by frame analisis at official site!

[Darth Tater]

Does ANYONE know how to open .sit? I spent 1:30 downloading the file, and now I can't open it! I know other ppl who can't either!HELP!

[Rogue]

WOW!

In my opinion, it is spectacular. The special effects and cinematography look unbelievable. In addition, all the actors seem to have nailed their parts.

There is the issue of Arwen's expanded role in the films (you see some of this in the trailer). However, I don't think this is going to detract from my enjoyment.

This thing may actually live up to the hype!!!

[Sakata]

The large video wont work, and the smaller one all I get is sound, and your posts about how great it is isnt helping! how do I fix it?

[anduin]

Tater....I think that a .sit is a PC zip file. You should have downloaded the .zip file. The only thing I know to try is to drag it into your stuffit expander app.


As far as I can tell, if you want a saveable version you need to download either the .sit file or the .zip file. To be on the safe side download the .zip file if you have a Mac and the .sit file if you have a PC. To just watch the trailer without being able to save it (and to wait less time for the download) you can click one of the files under "watch it now in quicktime 5". You must have the latest version of quicktime to do this.

[anduin]

Okay, I have no idea what I am talking about. Macs can download and open .sit files no problem...I just tried it worked fine.


Tater...what do you use to unstuff/unzip files?

[Darth Tater]

I just found out that I needed to update my stuffit expander, hopefully doing that will fix my problem

[Ben]

Just watched it, was pretty cool.

Anduin, I think you've got it backwards - Mac files are .sit and PC are .zip

[galadriel1]

Oh my God! Just awesome! Absolutely incredible! Even better than the 2nd, which was fantastic! If the trailers are any indication, this film is going to be a 10+! The visuals look stunning. The music sounds excellent! Great acton sequences! I cannot wait until December 19th! I love when Legolas pulls back that bow! Gandalf looks and sounds great! I love how the trailer ended - with Gandalf on the bridge screaming "You shall not pass!" and then slamming his staff down into the bridge. That part is going to be awesome!

[Darth Tater]

Great googly moogly! After having some problems (you only get audio in anything below QT 5) I've finally made it work, and seen it at least 10 times today! There's no way these movies won't rock! I don't wanna get too optamistic, but can ya help it? YOU SHALL NOT PASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[anduin]

Ben, that can't be exactly right because I can expand either one.

Tater, I'm glad you finally got to watch it. :)

[Sakata]

Aww your driving me nuts! I want to see it but all I can do is hear it! what is wrong? anyone know?

[anduin]

Tater says that you only get audio if you run it with anything less than Quicktime 5...are you sure that you have the very latest QT version installed?? If you are unsure go to apple.com and download it anyway. It only takes a few minutes to get the update.

[Darth Tater]

I'm willing to make a very large wager that if you only have audio it's cause of your QT version.

[Sakata]

Thanks, that trailer is awesome! this is going to be the best movie ever!

[anduin]

Cool, so you got it to work then?

[IronParrot]

I think this pretty much confirms, yet again, that from a visual perspective, someone will finally do justice to LOTR on film.

I have... almost a gripe... about Elijah Wood, but besides that... oh, man.

I'm jumping in line now.

[anduin]

Almost a gripe? What's that? Come on man, spill it! ;)

[Darth Tater]

I can tell ya what my problem with him is: he's too damn skinny!

[anduin]

LOL!! He has great eyes though. :)

Know who I really like...just based on the most recent trailer? Pippin. I just love the look on his face when he disturbs that skeleton and it falls.

[Gerbil]

I'm still trying to work out why everyone seems to think Arwen's line is so good.
Personally it makes me cringe every time I hear it (which is a lot since the rest of the trailer is so good :).
Of course, I'm dead set against her jumped up role anyway, but reckon the line is standard 'hollywood' tat with a word changed for the more olde worlde feel. Change 'claim' to 'get' and you'll see what I mean.
I've seen some pretty outrageous claims of this so far - one scene-by-scene breakdown of the trailer reckons it'll become one of movie history's most famous lines. It'll become nothing of the sort. If the script sticks even remotely close to the book dialogue, there are many many better opportunities for classic lines :)

[Gerbil]

Another thing notable in the trailer - Gollum's absence, which was obviously intentional.

My guess is they'll try to keep him out of sight for as much of the first film as possible - he doesn't really figure much in FotR other than as part of the background story.
So he can quite easily feature as smeagol, then when they do flashbacks to Bilbo finding the ring it'll be easy to show him as nothing other than a shadowy menace with glowing eyes (let's not forget the whole riddles and rings episode takes place in pitch black!) and he never ventures into the light even of the back door from the Orc caves because he's afraid of the light.

Sooo........ plenty of opportunity to have him as a shadowy menacing figure.

Off hand I can't think of anywhere in FotR that he explicitly appears. He's following through Moria (not hard to hide him) and follows them through (well, he goes around) Lothlorien - again only referenced at night. At this stage he's merely a hidden threat to the ring.

Also, it gives us something to look forward to in the later films, since many of the most important characters are well developed by the end of the first film (certainly in their 'average' incarnations, such as Gandalf and Aragorn).

Comments?

[Darth Tater]

Half of what makes a line special is the delivery. Take that god awefull storm line about toads and lightning for an example. It was penned by one of the most brilliant screen writers in Hollywood, Joss Whedon. The way he wrote it the line was meant to be delivered flat, similarly to the "How do I know it's really you?" "You're a (blank)" exchange in another part of the film. Delivered properly, it sounds amusing, but you really don't care about it, and just move on. However, the line was given to one of the worst actresses the world has ever known, who decided to make it her characters crowning moment.

The opposite has happened with the Arwen line. Liv Tyler is given a piece of material that is typical Hollywood rubbish, but instead of delivering it the way everyone expects, she assumes a sweet, innocent voice, that throws us all off guard, and changes what could be something we all make fun of into a crowning moment for the film.

[Gerbil]

If that's one of the crowning glories then the films will die a death :)
I think the line and it's delivery are as standard as can be.

What I don't want to do is come across as someone who hates the movies already based on 2 seconds-worth of footage that even if I loathed, would not doubt be able to forget about because so much else of the trailer looks awesome :)

[IronParrot]

You know, out of all the "changes" in the upcoming films, there's some particularly evident in the trailers (including this last one) that I really like.

Specifically, the portion of the novel generally regarded as the slowest - Book I chapters 2-8 (Gandalf meeting Frodo -> Barrow-downs) is being tensed up a little bit. As in, we no longer have a somewhat relaxed pace of everyone taking their time... no longer just spotting a dark shape at the other end of the Ferry, but having the Black Rider pursue them so closely... you know what I mean?

Even with the most dramatic part of this change - cutting Bombadil - I think from a film perspective, the significant shortening of Book I will prove to be successful.

Remember that with film, pacing is done completely differently than in a novel. In prose, it is far easier to make some days pass in paragraphs while some hours pass in chapters. I think these changes are going to keep the suspense level up quite a fair bit.

[Gerbil]

True, and very good points.
However, I see a slight problem because of how the films are being made - IE with a rather large timescale between them.
Each film has to be able to stand alone. This means, for example, that the end of FotR, which while in LotR books is quite anti-climactic, or from another perspective is all part of the build-up in the overall scheme of things, would not work from a filmic point of view - it needs a more definite 'end' to the film.
So the breaking of the fellowship is changed into a larger set piece, and how the breaking comes about is re-jigged.

Personally I know the first time I read LotR I did indeed find the first book slow, but having finished the story as a whole I realise how important the build-up is, and how to start with the fear that persues them is more an imagined fear with little real 'action' (of course, if they'd have been caught this would not be true!).
It's a build up of suspence and plot-setting that the films could never get away with. In fact how Tolkien got away with it bearing in mind the large time difference between original releases of his books I don't know, other than the fact that he simply was only interested in the story as a WHOLE - which the movies simply cannot do.

Of all the things I've read that change so much, the two that stand out in my mind as causing most problems is the breaking of the fellowship (how it breaks up and the results follow the characters throughout the rest of the story) and the death of Saruman - assuming there is any 'scouring' left to be done at the end. It simply won't be the same - I always thought one of the most powerful moments of the Return of the King was when the great victorious host head towards Rivendell and pass the bedraggled Saruman and his pitifull Grima. To see one so mighty brought so low, and for Gandalf and the others to show such pity on one who planned to kill them all is one of the strongest images in the book.

Oh well, I'm sure it'll be good nonetheless.

Have just read a load of reviews of the Cannes teaser, and I have to say I was getting really excited just reading about it!

[Darth Tater]

I've had a theory brewing for quite some time that the wizard-kebob pic is not from Isengard, as most ppl assumed, but is in fact in the Shire. If this is true then the wheel would be that of the old mill, which, though not as literarily interesting a death as Grima stabbing him, could prove very interesting, especially if Grima were to throw him out of a window or something like that.

[Gerbil]

I'd love to believe that :)
I'd even be prepared to ignore the fact that no machinery of their 'age' would look like that - after all, there's no knowing what evil stuff Sharkey has placed in the Shire!

I'd think it's not like this because I really can't believe that the scouring of the shire will be a big deal, if it's in at all.

What's the rumours say about the scouring, is it in, out or 'simply' drastically changed?

Personally I reckon Saruman having his throat slit by a slave was one of the most ignoble ways to die - certianly one of the most worthy of a man of his 'stature'.

[Captain Stern]

I agree with you Gerbil, the part with Arwen in the trailer almost made me gag which is a shame because the rest of it looked amazing.

[Gerbil]

*phew*
I thought I was on my own there against a rampaging horde of Liv Tyler fans :)

[Sakata]

I think the actress is okay, but I dont like the expanded role of Arwen, I meen they have to mention her sometime, but I dont think they should portray her a kind of heroine, thats Eowyns role! :mad:

[Comic Book Guy]

I think for a high profile actor such as Liv Tyler, PJ has to use her as much as they possibly can to attract movie viewers who have never read Tolkien.

I used to be against Arwens role at the Fords, but after hearing her saying that line, it really made me almost want to see her at the fords. The same can't be said for the rest of her expanded roles though, like fighting at the Pellenor fields and helping Aragorn face Sauron.