The Two Towers

[Comic Book Guy]

I'm sure a lot of people have been thinking about the Tragic events in America; and i'm sure the Tolkien Fans will be aware of the title of the second part of the Lord of the Rings. Does anybody think, that the title of the 'Two Towers' should be changed for the movies out of respect of the innocent people killed.

[Ñólendil]

I don't. It'll come out towards the end of next year, for what it's worth. I think it would be silly to be upset over the title, and when one sees the movie it will be seen that there is no connection between Minas Morgul (or the Tower of Cirith Ungol) & Orthanc and the World Trade Center. The Towers of the Lord of the Rings don't fall down anyway and have no very obvious connection with one another. Books III and IV are really unconnected, and the title 'Two Towers' just takes an element from each. I don't know, I don't think it would be offensive or disrespectful.

[ringbearer]

NO! DO NOT CHANGE THE TITLE! IT IS OVER REACTING!

[IronParrot]

No, of course they won't change the title! :rolleyes:

Need I remind you that LOTR predates the World Trade Center?

[Elven Warrior Maiden]

ringbearer, don't you over react

[Comic Book Guy]

The Book predates the World Trade Center, but the Movie doesn't.

[webwizard333]

So, thats like saying we should after this point ban Return of the King altogether because the Barudar collapses.Though I undertand you reasons for changing the title, remember the the movie is over a year away. Not that means we should orget about this horrible event though.

[anduin]

I think if The Two Towers were coming out on Dec. 19th instead of Fellowship then it MIGHT cause the uninitiated some pause. The title alone would probably stir emotions. But since it will be well over a year when TT comes out then I doubt many will make a connection.

[Gerbil]

I definately think they won't change the title, and if it was coming out now instead of FotR and they DID change the title I'd be VERY angry with them.

We've already seen enough films changed / delayed in response to this, and I'm willing to bet a lot of them aren't out of respect, simply because now would not be a financially good time to bring out a movie based on terrorism etc.

Things like the Spider changes really don't make sense to me. (Other than the fact the trailer was rubbish so I'm glad it's been removed!). Which shows less respect? Keeping the WTC in, now a symbol of past glory and a memorial monument to the many thousands tragically murdered, or removing it and all evidence of it's existance and hence ignoring the awful events and the many dead?

Also, a lot of this is brought on by people - often in times of trouble we seek to find patterns in chaos, for whatever reason. So someone drawing a connection between the WTC and the Two Towers is absurd, but understandable. In the same way, people saw the faces of the devil in the smoke from the plane crashes. Of course, it was just coincidence, but people always seem to look beyond that for meaning, which in this and many cases, simply isn't there.

[samwise of the shire]

What spider changes? Does'nt Sam fight Shelob?
Sam the tomboy

[ringbearer]

Originally posted by samwise of the shire
What spider changes? Does'nt Sam fight Shelob?
Sam the tomboy

I think they are referring to some "Spiderman" movie coming out soon.

[arynetrek]

now maybe i'm horribly wrong in this, but didn't the Spiderman COMIC BOOK do a story-arc involving a collapse of the WTC? (i've read maybe one Spiderman comic so i don't know if this is related to the terrorism or not)

i seriously doubt they'll change the title of TT because of the attacks - it'd make NO sense to change a title of a work that's been around for years & has no relation to the attacks or even the motivations behind them.

aryne *

[olorin7]

i agree with gerbil, we have to quit appologizing everytime something has the slightest connection to the wtc. people have to quit acting like they never existed, it is a slap in the face to those that suffered because of it. WWII covered over half the world, are we silent about that? is the movie about the book the two towers or is it about something else? it would make no sense to change the name of one of the movies and keep the original names for the other two movies.

[Gorhiriel]

PJ seriously considered changing the title, but decided against it. he said thefans would kill him.

[LuthienTinuviel]

i know i would kill him.
* clicks saftey back on on her squirrel gun*


what?? it wouldn't KILL him, it'd just .. make him dance a little.. hehe..
:D




disclaimer: i am not at all for killing anyone over a movie. but i fell i have to put this here because of the serious content of this post, it is absolutley terrible what happened, and i am not at all for it, i was only making a joke, thank you for not flaming, banning or stalking me. :D

[Rána Eressëa]

Changing the title would cause more of a stir than leaving it. And I'm glad they're leaving it :)

[Elf Girl]

IF HE CHANGES IT I WILL KILL HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Elf Girl]

Sorry...bit of an overreatction there.

[FrodoFriend]

It's not like burying all references to the WTC is going to help anything, anyway. Hiding isn't going to make it go away. We just have to pick up the rubble and get over it.

[Ararax]

it was written b4 the twin towers were built it has nothign to do with them

[jerseydevil]

Well I've been to the Twin Towers a ton of times and my uncle used to work on the 100+ floor.

Whether the Two Towers came out in 2001 or 2010 - I disagree with changing the title. It's the title of the book and people should stop making everything so Politcally Correct. I was upset by the removal of them in movies such as Zoolander and others. They existed and we can't change what happened. Erasing them from movies or changing titles will not change history. I was more upset by CNN showing the people jumping and falling from the buildings. (Although I have pictures that I have been sent of the people jumping - I refuse to put them up on my website)

I'd rather see the Twin Towers standing there proudly at the foot of Manhattan than see the excavation of Ground Zero everyday on the news. Yes we get to see it everyday on the news - in the heart of where the majority of the victims families live. Luckily I don't know anyone directly - but basically you can't go a mile here without running into some family that has been.

The towns throughout New Jersey and New York will be dotted with permanent memorials for all the victims of the respective towns. The train stations are also having memorials for the communters that used to leave from those stations. So the people directly affected - can NOT get away from it. The people that live here - can NOT get away from it. Here all you have to do is just turn on the news and see that the Twin Towers no longer stand at the foot of Manhattan, not to mention the daily update on progress.

The Twin Towers were a prominent feature on every newscast and weather report. And when you see them missing it's a reminder of what happened. That 3,000 people that went to work one day - never came home.

They're now working around the South Tower area. This is where the majority of victims are located since the South Tower was hit second yet collapsed first not to mention that they weren't even thinking it was going to collapse.

I think the last two days (6 months later) they've recovered 10 bodies.

They may have removed all the top level debris - but their working underground now in the basement and subway areas. They say they expect to find most of the firefighters, policeman and people that were trying to evacuate the buildings at this level.

Just my thoughts on the subject from someone living in the middle of it.

[Gerbil]

And of course because of the massive destruction and fire many families will not receive the bodies of their loved ones for burial.

In many cases, these memorials and the actual memory of what happened will be all these people have.

To deny them even this seems pretty sick to me really.

[dark over lord]

changing the name would just show how america's family values are going down the tubes. ok so that's not true but it would still be wrong to change the name

[Gerbil]

Dark Over Lord - is that Trunks in your avatar pic?

[dark over lord]

yes it is trunks, gerbil

[Gerbil]

Nice :)
DBZ rulez!

For epic battle scenes maybe PJ should watch a few episodes!

[Halley_Brandybuck]

I was watching Little Nicky with my dad one day in October and there was this one scene with Nicky sitting on a park bench with the manhattan skyline int the background and my dad turned to me and said "Weird ain't it?"

changing the title of TTT and with all of the editing out that's been done of movies is just like never ever playing an Aaliyah song and taking all of her albums off the shelves because of her death

it's stupid and pointless

[jerseydevil]

Gerbil - I hope you didn't think that I was saying there shouldn't be memorials around here. I was just saying that I question who the title of The Two Towers would be changed for. It wouldn't be in consideration of the victims families - because we have constant reminders here that will never go away. As long as the Twin Towers are missing from New York's skyline- that will be the greatest reminder.

Halley_Brandybuck - I know what you mean. I haven't seen Little Nicky - but the DVD is at Target and every time I see the cover I think how odd it is that they don't exist anymore. Not to mention that they're in AI and so many other movies and TV shows.

I hope Hollywood restrains itself and doesn't erase all references to them. I know Steven Speilberg has already made dialog changes to ET.

[Nibs]

I don't think it would make much sense. True, we all mourn for those who perished in the attack and have deep respect for those fighting for it as we speak, but I don't see how changing the title to an unrelated movie would help. That's definitely not what Tolkien meant by "The Two Towers."

[Gerbil]

Originally posted by jerseydevil
Gerbil - I hope you didn't think that I was saying there shouldn't be memorials around here.
Not at all, I'm in complete agreements with your sentiments about it all.