Phillip Pulman?

[andustar]

Anyone here read the His Dark Materials trilogy?

1)Northern Lights (called the Goldan Compass in America for some odd reason:confused: )
2) The Subtle Knife
3) The Amber Spyglass

I reccomend you do if you haven't :)

[cee2lee2]

No, I haven't. Just haven't gotten 'round to them yet.

What did you like about them?

[andustar]

Well... I just enjoyed them, and thought you might :)

er, as to why... the books were well written, exciting... obviously carefully planned from the very start... and in the Amber Spyglass some very, er, interesting ideas about God and angels. I won't go into them here, but I promise you they will surprise you :) they make the third book very much a love or hate thing. But I think the others can be enjoyed by just about anyone.

[cee2lee2]

Thanks! I'll definitely have to put these on the "To Read" list.

[webwizard333]

I made a thread about this along time ago (I think it was deleted when we moved to here). Most people find the third book so difficult to read because they don't read the book for fun. They take everything far too seriously. They take it far too seriously, its like trying to get rid of Tolkien or Lewis, because their worlds had made up religions (do you know if thos are Philip'strue ideas on religion?)

[Comic Book Guy]

I just got 'Northern Lights' from my school libary, so far I am finding it interesting. I just don't like the way the Dæmons can change form so freely. Some parts are creepy though, like the photo of the child in the snow and the 'Gobblers'.

[webwizard333]

Just out of curiousity, what do you mean by finding the form changing feaky? I didn't get that feeling so I don't understand what you mean.

[Comic Book Guy]

It seems to me that they should just have one form, to represent their personality of themselves and their Master. I know this sort of happens as the Dæmons get older and more mature.

[Comic Book Guy]

Does anybody know why there are quotes from later on in the Amber Spyglass? I believe its only in the UK version. It spoils it a bit too much I think.

[Tailin]

I don't know the answer to your question, but I'd just thought I'd say that I think it's a great series, I just finished the subtle knife, and it was great. I was going to buy the Amber Spyglass, but I just haven't gotten around to it. Sorry..........

On another subject, I would like to say that the bond between Daemon and People are just a little similiar to the bond between Aes Sedai and Gaidin in the Wheel of Time. The stuff about sensing the others emotion, that stuff. It's not similiar by much, bu a little.

And, on another subject, I would like to say that The Fancloth from the WoT is very similiar to the Elvencloaks in LoTR. The stuff about melting into the surroundings and stuff like that, you follow?

[Talera]

Philip Pullman's series is one of my all time favourites! I cried my eyes out for the last 3 chapters of Amber Spyglass it was just so incredibly sad. But, if it hadn't ended like that (dont' want to give too much away for those who haven't read it yet) I guess I would have been unsatisfied as if he'd done it the nice way it would have been too much of a cutsey 'nothing the way life really is' kind of ending - do you get what I'm trying to say?! Not sure if I'm making myself clear!

Definitely a fantastic series though. Have you read his other series, comprised of - The Ruby in the Smoke, The Shadow in the North and the Tiger in the Well? Not quite as good as His Dark Materials but worth a look.

One extra thing, having a Daemon must be brilliant! It would be really interesting to find out what shape my daemon would be.

[cee2lee2]

I cried my eyes out too! Any other ending wouldn't have been right for the integrety of the characters or the plot.

I just finished the books a couple of weeks ago. I started on a Friday night and just kept going through the weekend. Now my mom is reading them.

Pullman's ideas about religion are very interesting. In some ways, I would think these books would be more upsetting to fundamentalist Christians than Harry Potter. I'll not say more to avoid any spoilers for those who haven't read them. But I say as much as I do as a Christian who was a little disconcerted by the ideas myself - disconcerted and challenged.

[FrodoFriend]

LOL, I'm another one of those who has 'cried her eyes out'! WOOOHOOO! It's good to know other people have read Philip Pullman. His Dark Materials is one of my favorite trilogies.

On another subject, I would like to say that the bond between Daemon and People are just a little similiar to the bond between Aes Sedai and Gaidin in the Wheel of Time. The stuff about sensing the others emotion, that stuff. It's not similiar by much, bu a little.

I don't think that's how it's meant to be. The daemon and the person are not separate. They're one being. I think the daemon is kind of like the soul, or consciousness, or the person (they do say that Dust is consciousness, and that Dust and daemons are sort of the same thing). So I don't really see it as being like the Aes Sedai and the Gaidin.


Was anyone else a little confused at the end? It seems to me that the whole biblical prophecy thing didn't come out very clearly. How did Mary play the serpent? When did Lyra fall? How was she Eve, exactly? It was a bit anti-climatic after all the foreshadowing and prophesizing going on. That's all the criticism I think I can muster . . .

Pullman and Tolkien share that wonderfully frustrating talent of mixing happiness and sadness together until you want to scream but love it anyway.

[Laurelyn]

I've read the Golden Compass and the Subtle Knife. They're great.

[Comic Book Guy]

I was Rather confused by the Ending also, It didn't make a lot of sense and questions went unanswered, I.E The Republic of Heaven. It has recently won a Book of the Year awards in both Childrens and Adult literature.

[Araethirion]

Its called 'The Golden Compass' in America because the Alethiometer is a "Golden Compass", and it fits with the other titles more because the titles are nicknames [[except for TAS]] of the materials, i.e., Golden Compass = Alethiometer, Subtle Knife = some really long, confusing name that I can't remember how you spell it. Æthirelot or something... I forget. ANYWAY, I love all of the books, escpecially TAS, the ending was VERY sad, but just before that it was really happy. My heart skipped a few beats when they had to leave each other... *sigh* :(

[FrodoFriend]

Yeah, the ending of TAS was really, really great. My favorite is still TSK, though. I'm in love with Citagazze. I'd live there if it weren't for the those stupid Spectres . . .

Just a question: Which would you least like to meet: A Spectre or the Ring of Power?

[Araethirion]

Prolly a specter; if it was right now. If it was in a few months [[when I turn 13]] the Ring of Power. Then I'd just throw it to someone else and run :p

[Eruviel Greenleaf]

I'd rather meet The One Ring. At least it wouldn't suck out my soul right away. . .

My favorite book is The Golden Compass/Norther Lights, but I think my favorite part in all three is when they reforge the knife. Reminiscent of the reforging of Narsil/Anduril. . .:)

I almost cried at the end of Amber Spyglass! . . .and I rarely cry at books. . .VERY rarely. The only book at which I actually cried is LotR.

[FrodoFriend]

I'm just getting my mom to start the series. Can't wait to have long discussions about the nature of daemons and Dust. One of the best endings ever, I think I may even have liked it more than the ending to LotR.

[Eruviel Greenleaf]

Really, FF? I hated the ending!!! Yet at the same time, it was good, and I liked it. It worked, anyway. It was bittersweet, like The Grey Havens in RotK. Except I found that even sadder. . .

Does anyone else *know* what there daemon is/would be? (I used to be almost as obsessed with these books as I am with Tolkien's books now. . .almost. That was four years ago, though, and since then the last one has arrived.)
My daemon (Luvaskatet) is a crow or a raven. I can't figure it out between those two. At least it's the same taxanomical family. . .

[FrodoFriend]

Yeah, I hated the ending too! Then I read it again and again and again and again and again . . . and I still hate it! But I love it too. It's perfect, and horrible, and beautiful. And yes, I thought it was sadder than the Grey Havens too.

I always thought a daemon was a part of your soul that is visible from outside. Never thought what mine would be though. Maybe a bear . . . but I guess that's too big. I'll have to think about it.

[Eruviel Greenleaf]

Actually, I wasn't clear, I'm afraid. . .I thought The Grey Havens were sadder. I thought so because it is not just a few individuals for which there is bitter sadness, but quite a few, yet at the same time there are also happy things. It's wierd, but it's what I thought.

As for daemons, when I was in eighth grade, I was so crazy about His Dark Materials, I decided that I did indeed have a daemon, and I came up with a name for him and everything. I always wanted to know what mine would fix as, and two years later (a little late, I know) I knew that my deamon was a crow or a raven. I, unfortunately, have only read Amber Spyglass once, but I must read it again, and soon! (After The Hobbit, The Silmarillion, Unfinished Tales, hoME, and anything else I can get my greedy little hands (eyes, rather) on.)

[Alethes]

I've read the trilogy.
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I loved the first book, and thought it was very well written. The second book seemed to be hinting at ideas about God, angels, etc. that I disagreed with. I didn't like the last book at all. Pullman took a fascinating trilogy and used it as a soapbox to proclaim completely erroneous views about God. It ruined the trilogy.

I didn't really understand the serpent/Eve Biblical parallels, either.

[FrodoFriend]

Really? The second one's my favorite! I loved the religious stuff. It's a fascinating viewpoint. I liked the Bible parallels originally, but PP kind of didn't elaborate on them in the third book, and it was a bit confusing.

[Tanoliel]

Gahh! I love these books! :)
Yeah, Eruviel, we were totally obsessed...heh. My daemon's name is Katzin, and he is a red fox. Heehee...
I was dissapointed at the ending, too...I wanted more! Also, it seemed a little "fatalistic" if you know what I mean...like "this is the way it must be and so there, too bad you can't change anything." Which really annoyed me. I liked the religion stuff, too...ya see, I'm not really a Christian or anything (don't ask me....I haven't the foggiest idea what I am), so i really enjoy reading about that kinda stuff. It did seem a little soapboxy, though....but since it was in such an interesting story, I don't really mind! :)
Still....MY bible is LotR...:) (and the Silmarillion, of course!)
-tano

[Eruviel Greenleaf]

Yeah, I kinda liked the religious stuff. But toward the middle of Amber Spyglass, I found it to be a little annoying and far from the beginning of the trilogy. I guess I like the first two better.

Strangely enough (or not so strangely), I too consider Silmarillion to be my bible...I've even started referring to it as "The Bible" occasionally. Just to myself and Tano :)

[Elfhelm]

So did I make a mistake by getting it for my 16 year old daughter? She's wiccan. Will she be upset by it?

[cee2lee2]

I don't think anyone confident in their faith will be upset by the books. They are just stories and one man's opinions after all. I speak as a Christian who didn't particularly care for/agree with all of his views, but I found the books to be an excellent read.

[FrodoFriend]

I thought the metaphysical ideas were very interesting and quite well thought out.

[TwirlingString]

So did I!:p I knew it had to be, but that didn;t keep me from walking around saying evil under my breath for the week after.

[Tanoliel]

Did you mean "had to be" as in the ending, TwirlingString? (btw, I like your name!). I suppose...but like I said, it was a bit fatalistic. My friend and I wrote a letter to PP (which never actually got sent, oh well) about all the different options he could have done for the ending. Can't think of any now. Sorry. I'll post some if I do...
-tano

[TwirlingString]

Yes, I meant the ending. But it drove me crazy that he'd manuvered the ending just so. There really was no way out anyway, this just kept them from having to choose between thier worlds. Do you think they'll meet again in the afterlife?

[Tanoliel]

mmmm...one would hope so. I really hate it when people end books like that. I want to say that I wish he would write more, another book, short story, etc, but in a way I know that it would sorta ruin the ending. *sigh* GRRRRARGH. hiss. :)
-tano

[TwirlingString]

I know exactly what you mean. But with the way he ended the story, I'm much happier to reveiw their next meeting in my imagination. (Finally, a thread I didn't mess up!)

[whiteeyes]

Those books are cool, I especially like the girl main characters daomen,have any of you read any books by Patricia Wrede , she wrote the Enchated forest chronicles.:)

[Tanoliel]

Hi, whiteeyes! Welcome to the moot! I've read Wrede...there's probably a thread on here about her books, too, but I haven't bothered to look. :)
-tano

[Eruviel Greenleaf]

ooh, Patricia C. Wrede books!!!! If there isn't a thread on them already, I am definitely starting one! I love those books! :) Oh, and welcome to the moot, whiteeyes!

[rainbow]

i read the first two but the religius stuff was a bit out of my depth im plannin to read them again later, has n e 1 read ne of his other books and r they ne good:confused:

[Eruviel Greenleaf]

Most anything by Phillip Pullman is good. :D

[Tanoliel]

That be true....he wrote a wonderful series about a woman named Sally Lockheart...set in England in...um...1800's? It's been a while....Hey, EG, what were the titles again?
-tano

[Eruviel Greenleaf]

They are set in Victorian England, and are called Ruby in the Smoke, Shadow in the North, and The Tiger in the Well. And he wrote another one about a character from Ruby in the Smoke which takes place quite a few years later, called The Tin Princess. They're all good. Read them, if you haven't! :)

[Eruviel Greenleaf]

Phillip Pullman is speaking at Barnes & Noble tues night! (well, the one in Seattle. . .) Hooray!!! Maybe I can get my books signed!!! :D

[Garina]

Philip Pullman is brilliant!!! I love His Dark Materials. I read them at a friends house at New Year and have never been able to forget them. I cried at the end too!.

I'm a Christian but I didn't find anything wrong with the books. I know the ideas are 'interesting', but if a book is obviously fantasy I dont care about the mythology. I got a bit confused, but I still really enjoyed them!
I really want to read the Ruby in the Smoke series, but they're not in the libraries and I have no money!:( oh well christmas isn't too far away. lol

[Eruviel Greenleaf]

*dances around the room*
Phillip Pullman is coming! :D :D :D

I'm really excited now...

[cassiopeia]

I love his dark materials and the Sally Lockhart series! I don't know if anyone else has posted this but I just saw (at TheOneRing.net) that the dark materials books might be made into a movie! That would be so good. The link is here (http://www.theonering.net/perl/newsview/8/1021787004)

[Eruviel Greenleaf]

*eek* :eek: Well, they did a good job with LotR, so perhaps I ought to have faith that they will do well with this one as well. It's just I've always feared they would make a movie of His Dark Materials, and ruin it. But perhaps not, with this. . .thanks for posting that, cassiopeia!!! :D

[Tanoliel]

ooooo....*drools* Tom Stoppard and New Line? okee, i'm not worried! really, EG, Stoppard is awesome (read R&G Are Dead sometime, it's wonderful) and since New Line did LotR...well, that's just cool. :)
Heh...remember The Golden Compass Disney Style? EEEK!
-tano

[Eruviel Greenleaf]

Considering our fear-of-Disney conversations, you'd think one would expect pessemism from me ;) :D

But maybe it will be good. . .who knows. Okay, I'll try to be optimistic :)

[TwirlingString]

The biggest problem with movie version:They have to cut things out, and it always turns out to be someones favorite part.

[Eruviel Greenleaf]

Originally posted by TwirlingString
The biggest problem with movie version:They have to cut things out, and it always turns out to be someones favorite part.
That always happens. . .*sigh*
But hey, it could always be worse ;)

[Hanza]

Hi! I have read northen Lights & found it wicked:D! I have started Subtle Knife but I'm finding it harder to get into.any tips???

[Tanoliel]

Yep.
Keep reading. :D
Subtle Knife is a little weirder, but just keep reading and it gets easier. Well, maybe not, but as you read more you understand more. It's very good...personally I like the first one best (it is, as you so eloquently put it, wicked) but the other two are fantastic as well. Happy reading!
-tano

[Erendis]

I love HDM! I made a webpage on it once but I don't remember what happened to it. hhmm...let's see if I can find it...
My cousin gave The Golden Compass to me for Christmas a few years ago but I didn't start reading until the year after. Then I was totally hooked...I got my friend obsessed with the series too.
I heard they might end up not making the movie because that guy (I don't remember his name S---something) had another project. I dunno. *shrugs*

[Tanoliel]

Which guy? Not Spielberg? (*gets sudden image of jurassic compass* uh....:D) I don't really care one way or the other. I mean, it would be kinda fun to see what they did with it, but on the other hand, i'm not clamoring for them to make a movie either. The only thing that really bugs me when books are made into movies are the people who think they know the story just by seeing the movie and not reading the books. I dunno. Anyway. It might be kind of fun anyhow! :)
-tano

[cassiopeia]

I think the guy is Tom Stoppard. Check my previous post for the link.

Tano, your not refering to a certain trilogy are you? ;)

[Tanoliel]

*eRp* :D Actually, I wasn't. I was speaking generally. But it's more the people who pretend to know a whole bunch about stuff....and well...nevermind. I think I'll stop before I fall into this hole I'm digging for myself. :rolleyes: :D

AH, right! Stoppard! That was it. Okay. Forget Spielberg, it was just the first name that popped into my head. Yeah. Stoppard's good.

-tano

[Erendis]

Yeah...Tom Stoppard...that's the guy. I don't remember where I read teh article about him not making the movie though :o
The only thing that really bugs me when books are made into movies are the people who think they know the story just by seeing the movie and not reading the books
Happens to me all the time. In fact, when one mentioned books in my Grade Seven class, they were looked on as slightly odd. There were three people in my class (including myself) who would take the time to read a book. Drove me insane. . .

[Erawyn]

i love these books sooo much! they are tied with lotr for my fave books! they are the only books that have ever made me cry!i think Phillip Pullman is brilliant, though i couldn't get into the sally lockhart books.

[TwirlingString]

How many of them did you read some are really god but one is just strange

[Erawyn]

i only read one :p but i'm not really into mysteries!

[Entlover]

Originally posted by Talera
One extra thing, having a Daemon must be brilliant! B]

Okay, I have to ask. That's the first time I've seen anyone on the Moot use the word 'brilliant' like Elijah Wood uses it all the time.
Is this something that people in L.A. say, or people under 19, or what? Please explicate.

[Tanoliel]

I say "brilliant." I'm 16, and I live in Seattle. :)
I also say "wicked" and I've been affected by reading British stuff, so I use some Brit slang as well as "American" slang. *shrug* Dunno...
But I agree, having a Daemon must indeed be brilliant! Mine's name is Katzin, and he's a fox. ;)
-tano

[Entlover]

Thank you for the explanation. It must be age. I live in Seattle too, but the only people under 17 that I know all speak Spanish. So they don't say brilliant. But I think it's a cool word (I say cool).

On topic - inspired by all you people, I'm going to read Philip Pullman.

[Eruviel Greenleaf]

I say brilliant. And I'm 18, and I also live in Seattle. :)
My daemon is a magpie. And it is brilliant, having a daemon! :D

[TwirlingString]

mine's would most definatly be a cat

[Hanza]

hi Twirling String,
I hav read Northen Lights and half of subtle Knife.
i absolutely loved Northen Lights and could barely put it down:D .Subtle Knife is harder though and i've taken a break from it.what hav you read of philip pullmans

[Belle]

The Amber Spyglass was a really touching book. It was also quite scary, and Mrs Coulter and her monkey daemon and Lord Asriel fighting that angel thing was really kinda..disturbing. But it was a 'brilliant' (I say brilliant and I'm English and 18) trilogy.

[Entlover]

I read the first two and found them well written and entertaining. But I've decided not to read the third, after a long discussion with myself, because they're anti-God.
I'm very fond of God, and don't want to waste my time with propaganda against him.
Generally speaking I read anything going, and try to keep an open mind, but I also don't like wasting my time.

[Tanoliel]

Anti-God?
Hmm....I don't know that he's trying to say that God is bad. The whole thing is a big mess anyway. Religion in the book, I mean--everyone and everything's all messy. Eh...I haven't read it in a while, I'll have to go see.

I hesitate to say--for people who haven't read the third one, CLOSE YOUR EYES! :)
What'd people think of the whole Will / Lyra thing? I thought it was a big much...and it seemed sort of contrived. I really liked it before the "desparate love" thing came into the picture.

(I say brilliant and I'm now 17 and still living in Seattle. :D )

Tano

[Elf Girl]

Originally posted by Tanoliel
What'd people think of the whole Will / Lyra thing? I thought it was a big much...and it seemed sort of contrived. I really liked it before the "desparate love" thing came into the picture.
I liked it because of how it was handled to cover the Adam/Eve thing, but it wasn't corny at all. Of course it was contrived, the whole plot was leading up to it! :)

My dæmon isn't settled. His name is Rakinson. Currently he is sitting on my monitor in the form of a robin looking very bored indeed. (Heheh.)

I was very much obsessed with them once upon a time.

My Golden Compess is signed by Phillip Pulman. I got to meet him and here him speak (at length) about his books.

Who here really liked the Gallevespians?

[Anglorfin]

Who here really liked the Gallevespians?

I did, those guys were funny. In any case, I enjoyed this series a lot, it was very philosophical. Sometimes it would remind me of C.S. Lewis though with his bible-pushing but Pullman did it differently. He took a classic bible story and applied it to something else.

[Elf Girl]

O yeah, one more thing I wanted to say:

I didn't like the Sally Lockhart trilogy. Sure, it was interesting and exciting and all, but I saw it as cheap thriller garbage that you write to get money, whereas His Dark Materials is Pulman's true style.

[Tanoliel]

Hmm....but the lead in was so subtle, and then bang! It was this all-important thing....oh, nevermind. Doesn't matter. :)
I also really liked the scientist--Mary Malone, I think her name was. She was v. nifty....

Heh....I have the first two signed by him, when he came to speak at my local bookstore...and I did a book project for school--making a cover for the book--and he signed that too. Wheee! :D

tano

[Agalayth]

These are my all time favorite books!!!!!!

My favorite characters were Iorek Byrneson (spelling?) and Pantalaimon. But Iorek especially. The whole concept of an armored bear is great.

What was your favorite of the three? Mine was either the Golden Compass or the Amber Spyglass. They're all good, but those two stood out a little more than the Subtle Knife.

And I liked the whole Will/Lyra thing. The ending of the Amber Spyglass was so sad. :(

[BeardofPants]

I thought that the Golden Compass was the weaker of the trilogy. I agree with whoever said that the love thing didn't work. I thought it was a bit sudden, and she was a bit too young for it to be that intense. My favourite book would have to be the Golden Compass.

Edit: How DO you pronounce "Lyra"?? It's bugging the crap out of me. Lee-ra? Li-ra? Lei-ra? :confused:

[Agalayth]

Haha. I pronounced it Lye-ra, but many of my friends pronounced it Lee-ra. So when they mentioned her name, I'm thinking... "Who's Leera?"

About the love thing, I did think it was a nice thing to add, but I do see why you think she's too young for it to be that intense. The main reason I liked it was because it added tragedy to the end.

[cassiopeia]

I wasn't sure how to pronounce Lyra, but I always say Li-ra. Probably wrong though. :rolleyes:
I thought Lyra and Will were too young (how old were they? 12-14?) I haven't read the stories for a while.
My favorite book is the first one (The Golden Compass, or the title of the book I read, Northern Lights).
I liked the Sally Lockhart books, as well as his others. He isn't scared to include adult themes in his books, like sex and murder.

[Elf Girl]

At the book signing, Phillip Pulman said Lye-ra.

Originally posted by Agalayth
My favorite characters were Iorek Byrneson (spelling?) and Pantalaimon.
But Pan is part of Lyra, so isn't one of your favorite characters Lyra?

[BeardofPants]

Why? You don't have to like the whole package. I like my eyes, but I hate my butt. I like Pan, but I'm not too fond of Lyra.

Edit: Dammit. I knew I should have been pronouncing it that way! (But everytime I did, I'd either accidentally slip in Linda for some reason, or think of the Italian currency.....)

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Okay, when you say "Lye-ra", that looks to me like "Lyeh-rah". Do you mean the "y" is pronounced "ai" as in "Ai, a Balrog?", or what?

[Elf Girl]

I did meen Lye-ra as in Ai, ai, a Balrog.

BoP: But Pan isn't a complete identity... *decides not to argue* But whatever.

As for the love thing, I don't think it was "added" excactly, as I said, the whole series was leading up to it.

[Agalayth]

Yes, I do agree with that. It does lead up to that, but I think it was a little out of place. It wasn't that bad, but as someone stated earlier, Lyra seems pretty young for a relationship to be so intense.

[Tanoliel]

I think Pan is an identity of his own, and i like him lots.

Pullman pronouced "Lie ra" when he came to Seattle...at least i remember it so. i always said it like that anyway...

[Belle]

I think the relationship between them is lovely because they are o young... it's kinda innocent and special. It's also first love, which is always the one that stays with you forever.

[Linaewen]

I loved the ending of the series. Very bittersweet, but I really like a lot of sad endings (No need to state my favourite ending). It nearly made me cry, that they couldn't be together. I love them both so much. :(

I say it Leer-a, maybe like how some of you do but I can't tell from the way you have written it in your posts.

[Agalayth]

I actually did cry at the end of it... (Yes, I'm very emotional when it comes to sad books). I think you used the perfect word to describe the ending: Bittersweet.

[Lief Erikson]

I don't often cry at the ends of sad books, and I didn't cry at the end of this one. But I also found the end of that trilogy extremely sad. Surprising, definitely, and very sad. I actually think my opinion at the end was that I liked the ending a lot because it surprised me so much. Stereotype or expectable things aren't so interesting, even when the unexpected thing is bad. Just so long is the unexpected thing isn't illogical, I tend to like it.

[BeardofPants]

See, maybe I would have found the ending sad if I had felt that those feelings that they had for each other were appropriate for their ages, but it simply didn't wash with me. I wasn't even interested in boys when I was 12, let alone enough that I would happen to stumble across my soul-mate! Plus, there wasn't that much of a build up towards these feelings, so it kinda seemed like it came out of left field.

[Aragorn_of_the_west]

I simple loved the sieries- once i started, I couldnt stop- i also liked the sad ending were they cant stay together.
But i especially liked the parts( in the third book) were it is told about Mary and the Mulefa- really cool.

does anybody know of other good books that Pullman wrote?

[Aragorn_of_the_west]

I pronuonce Lyra's name like this: Lie-ra.

I remember it said in the third book that No-name yelled Lyra's name in a way that it sounded like she was yelling:' Lier!' and 'Lyra!' as one name, so the names have to be similar. thats my opinion anyway.

[Linaewen]

Originally posted by Aragorn_of_the_west

does anybody know of other good books that Pullman wrote?

I was going to read his other books, but they appear to be mystery/crime-ish so I didn't. I can't remember what they are called, but.

[Aragorn_of_the_west]

oh, well in that case, never mind, thanks anyway.
i just thought that he would have more adventure/ fantisy things, apperantly not.:)

[Tanoliel]

The Ruby in the Smoke, Tiger in the Well, and another that goes in between those and makes it a trilogy.
They are mystery crimish, but they are also very good--get them from a library and try them, you could be suprised. :)

tano

[Elf Girl]

I still don't like them. *mutterings about stupid sensational nonsense*

[Aragorn_of_the_west]

:D
Maybe I could- thanks for the advise anyway.
Im not sure i have them in the library- im gonna have to check.
*looks up library opening times*, maybe next week, when it will be open:) .

[Agalayth]

I read a very good Pullman book called Count Carlstein. It's very interesting because the narrators in the book are the characters, and the narrator changes each chapter. I really liked that book.

[LadyGreenleaf22]

I really enjoyed His Dark Materials! They were so imaginative, and kept me entranced through the whole series! The ending was great although very heart-wrenching!

[Linaewen]

Originally posted by LadyGreenleaf22
I really enjoyed His Dark Materials! They were so imaginative, and kept me entranced through the whole series! The ending was great although very heart-wrenching!

I agree, though I would say it was great because it was very heart wrenching.

[LadyGreenleaf22]

true true!

[Fion]

GOD I LOVE THE'S BOOKS, such good books. did you know he's doing a NEW BOOK (The Book of Dust) , here's the fan site were I read it!


http://www.bridgetothestars.net/ GO! :D

[Anglorfin]

Originally posted by Fion
GOD I LOVE THE'S BOOKS, such good books. did you know he's doing a NEW BOOK (The Book of Dust) , here's the fan site were I read it!


http://www.bridgetothestars.net/ GO! :D

Sounds good. I assume it will follow the same structure of the other books, yes? Like as an addition to the trilogy?

[Tanoliel]

Mm. Looks like fun...

Also the movie. Eek. So little is known now...but Tom Stoppard is writing the screenplay, that's good...so for now I am just crossing my fingers. :)

[turtlelover]

Originally posted by Fion
GOD I LOVE THE'S BOOKS, such good books. did you know he's doing a NEW BOOK (The Book of Dust) , here's the fan site were I read it!


http://www.bridgetothestars.net/ GO! :D

yay those books were great I can't wait to read the new one and see what it is about!!!!:D i was just on the site that was recomended by Fion there will be a continuation of the trilogy as well!!! it is called Lyra's Oxford. it is said to be 64 pages:D :D

[Linaewen]

Oooo. I'd like to read 'Lyra's Oxford.' 64 pages- seems a bit small, tho. Well, if it continues the trilogy, so be it.

[turtlelover]

Originally posted by Linaewen
Oooo. I'd like to read 'Lyra's Oxford.' 64 pages- seems a bit small, tho. Well, if it continues the trilogy, so be it.

yeah i wish it were longer to but what can you do, ya know?:cool:

[Tanoliel]

Is it finished? Or did they just say it's 64 pages now? Because if he's still working on it, it will probably be longer.
tano

[Fion]

it is done, it's going to come with maps of oxford and a lot of other stuff, like a post-card from Lyra's universe and there still working on the maps.

[turtlelover]

do you know when it's being put in stores??

[elf queen]

Great books!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D

[Elf Girl]

A movie?! God...

[turtlelover]

What about a movie????!!!!!!!!?????:eek:

[Elf Girl]

On that link there was something about screenplay...

[Tanoliel]

Yes. Being written by Tom Stoppard, a very good playwright, and I think being produced by New Line Cinema, though I'm not sure about that. At the moment I don't think much else is known.

tano

[Elf Girl]

It is so stupid. There is no way they can capture the essence of those books onscreen.

[Tanoliel]

No. But I'll be interested to see how they try. *snerk*
(I just wanna see the snow leopard, man...and the alethiometer. Ya know. The purty stuff. :))

tano

[Rána Eressëa]

I'd love to see how they pull movies off with these books. I have an ominous feeling that they're going to water it down, though. The children will probably be a year or two older in the movie as well.

The Gallevespians! I loved the Gallevespians. Lord Roke was my absolute favorite. My heart broke in two when he died...

[Tanoliel]

Which book was that from? (The Gallevespians)

[Sheeana]

The third one. They're acting as the watch-dogs over Will and Lyra.

[Elf Girl]

Originally posted by Tanoliel
(I just wanna see the snow leopard, man...and the alethiometer. Ya know. The purty stuff. :))
*mutter* I like my own alethiometer better.

[Goldberry1]

someone mentioned other phillip pullman books on the fifth page of this thread. one trilogy (already mentioned) is The Sally Lockhart Trilogy. it's set in victorian England and is pretty much a mystery/crime/adventure deal. they are however really good books and i don't normally go for anything mystery/crime/adventure. if you're interested they are: The Ruby in the Smoke, The Shadow in the North, and The Tiger in the Well. Another book that has characters from that trilogy is The Tin Princess. they are all very good. another book that i havent read and have no idea what it is about is The White Mercedes...

by the way i read His Dark Materials trilogy and loved it... thought that was about... 3 1/2 years ago and i don't remember the finer points...

[turtlelover]

they were some of my favorite books and I think i will read them again soon:D thankyou for reminding me:D

[Bilbo]

I have only just re-joined the Entmoot clony after a few years traversing Rivendel (including getting lost several times) IN answer to the original post, I have in fact read all three of the novels. They are quite probably one of the greatest literistic books ever conceptulated by a sophisticated and highly intellectual author ("close dictionary").
Also in answer to the original post, the Northern Lights may have been called the Golden Compass because the Alethiometer is, as the cover suggests, like a golden compass, and often helps Lyra on her travels.

[Falagar]

I've already expressed my liking/love for HDM in another thread, just wanted to make it "official". ;)

[webwizard333]

In case anyone's intrerested, a movie trilogy is currently beign worked on for this fantasy series. Though I'm a bit worried they might try to push the anti-religious/church themes into the background out of fear of offending people, I'll still see it.

[Tanoliel]

And Tom Stoppard is writing the screenplay. :D
That's all I've heard, though...does anyone know anything more about it? I'm dying for news...

[Hanza]

me too. it would be very cool. havent they made a theatrical productin in the uk or sumthing. i havent looked much into it but im sure i heard sumthing a while ago.

[Tanoliel]

Yeah...I think it was a stage production, Royal Theater whatsit or sommat. I don't remember exactly. I wanted to go see it but the run doesn't continue anymore (I'll be going to England this summer). So...pooh.

No news on the movie anywhere, either.

[The Gaffer]

I've just discovered this great trilogy (I'm a bit slow to pick up on these things). I'd be disappointed too if they played down the anti-religion elements.

There's a discussion board about it here. (http://www.bridgetothestars.net/forum/). I like the idea of Johnny Depp as Lee Scorsby. but who is going to play Hester??