the most disliked of all characters

[Elvellon]

Hi,

The argument about thingol gave me an idea for my first thread.

Here it goes...
What is the character that you dislike the most?
And why do you dislike him/her/it?

(This thread must be old news, but I had to do it anyway).:)

[Finmandos12]

Maeglin.

He betrayed turgon and caused the fall of Gondolin.

[Comic Book Guy]

Apart from the obvious Sauron and Morgoth, I would have to say the Witch-King because hes so full of himself :p . I also dislike Bill Ferny for his selfish dirty ways.

I also dislike Lobielia Sackville-Baggins before she was imprisoned because she is snob. Grima Wormtongue because he betrayed an old man who had utmost trust in him.

[olorin]

How about Mim, the petty dwarf? He most certainly was a stinker.

[Strange-Looking Lurker]

Yea, Mim was pretty bad.

How about the good-wizard-who-turned-bad? (hey, don't laugh, I can't remember how to spell his name!)

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by Elvellon
Hi,

The argument about thingol gave me an idea for my first thread.

Here it goes...
What is the character that you dislike the most?
And why do you dislike him/her/it?

(This thread must be old news, but I had to do it anyway).:) Well, I think I made myself pretty clear in the Thingol debate, who I dislike the most, but I'll give you a hint. His name starts with a T and ends with an l. Why? Because of Finrod Felagund. There are some other pretty rotten people in Middle-earth too. I really dislike Celegorm and Curufin, because they tried to usurp the throne of Nargothrond and they managed to turn Finrod's entire kingdom against him except for ten guys. Let's see, then there is Eol, and Meaglin, and Mim, and Believe it or not, I don't like Gwindor. He made some pretty bad choices, and is another that did not stand by his king. Then we have Bill Ferney, Saruman, Grima, and last but not least disliked, we have Celeborn. He is of the kin of Thingol, and it shows. Poor Galadriel.

[Galadriel2002]

besides the ones every one knows, sauraman because hes an old prude who lyed and employed orcs:eek:

[Varda]

yes, mim was bad..... and sauran and morgoth of course.... also i disliked ungoliant and shelob...... i disliked saruman more than grima wormtongue, though. wormtongue was more of a puppet...

[ringbearer]

No one has mentioned Denathor...remember...he tried to kill his own son!

[Ñólendil]

Jar Jar Binks. Self explanatory.

Osellë, I've re-diagnosed your opinion about Thingol: sour grapes. Deep breaths should help you through it. :)

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by Inoldonil
Jar Jar Binks. Self explanatory.

Osellë, I've re-diagnosed your opinion about Thingol: sour grapes. Deep breaths should help you through it. :) Thank you Doctor, but If that hasn't helped in all these years, nothing will. SOUR GRAPES! You mean I did all that typing for nothing. Darn it:p .

[Elvellon]

Originally posted by Sister Golden Hair
and last but not least disliked, we have Celeborn. He is of the kin of Thingol, and it shows. Poor Galadriel.

....Here we go again....:D

[jediguy]

What about Eol?
He was an evil, evil character.

[Elvellon]

Yup, you are right jediguy, he is on my top 10 most disliked...

and he was Thingol's kin too:D

(I just had to say that before you do, Sister Golden Hair:) )

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by Elvellon
Yup, you are right jediguy, he is on my top 10 most disliked...

and he was Thingol's kin too:D

(I just had to say that before you do, Sister Golden Hair:) ) Well, I don't want to give the impression that I dislike the Teleri. Afterall, Finrod's somewhat Teleran.:) I already mentioned Eol I believe, I mean what is it with that family? I don't see how my hero grew into such a great guy with all that bad blood.:D

[Ñólendil]

Lots of people are related to Thingol you know. If you want to include some nice people related to him, esp. if you are going to point out Finrod you ought to remember his siblings, Angrod, Aegnor and Galadriel, I guess so little is known about the characters of Nimloth and Eärwen (or even Olwë) you could use it against me, but also Dior, Orodreth, according to the latest idea Gil-Galad, and Finduilas, CelebrÃ*an, Elwing, Elros, Elrond, Elladan, Elrohir, Arwen and CÃ*rdan. Ofcourse the descendants of Elros are so numerous you'd say the kinship doesn't count. I would agree with you, but not for that reason. There's bad and good in every lot, blood doesn't make you one or the other *draws his sword*

[Finmandos12]

I absolutely HATE Maeglin, Eol, and Turin (I know everything wasn't his fault, but I still hate him), and dislike Thingol. What's wrong with Celeborn though?

[Theodred]

I didn't like Eol!
Turin was sort of a duffer, but I still liked him. Ans there is nothing wrong with Thingol either. He helped Turin, and ruled wisely.

Others I hate include: Morgoth, Denthor, Saruman, and Bill Ferny!

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by Inoldonil
Lots of people are related to Thingol you know. If you want to include some nice people related to him, esp. if you are going to point out Finrod you ought to remember his siblings, Angrod, Aegnor and Galadriel, I guess so little is known about the characters of Nimloth and Eärwen (or even Olwë) you could use it against me, but also Dior, Orodreth, according to the latest idea Gil-Galad, and Finduilas, CelebrÃ*an, Elwing, Elros, Elrond, Elladan, Elrohir, Arwen and CÃ*rdan. Ofcourse the descendants of Elros are so numerous you'd say the kinship doesn't count. I would agree with you, but not for that reason. There's bad and good in every lot, blood doesn't make you one or the other *draws his sword* Well, I don't hold ill favor to all that are related to Thingol, so I would like to clear that up first. Second, As Finrod's brother, I never liked Orodreth. I found him very week of will, and easily influenced. As for Orodreth as Finrod's nephew, I don't know. But I think the outcome is probably the same, because of the way events occurred with the sack of Nargothrond.

[Ñólendil]

I knew you didn't dislike all related to Thingol, or you would not like Finrod. I was trying to get across the point that kinship does not necessarily have anything to do with character. You said 'I don't see how my hero [Finrod] grew into such a great guy with all that bad blood.' Obviously you meant it as a kind of joke, but I assumed some authentic feeling behind the comment. Considering his relations, you must be bewildered by the entire family with such a view. Or you should be, I know you aren't. Thus my post was also a suggestion of mine that you should choose your words more carefully.

Famous quotes tell us the pen is a mighty weapon, and wisdom tells us mighty weapons should be handled with care. Logic tells us the keyboard imitates this mighty weapon. I therefore tell you to take care! :p

Yes, Orodreth as Finrod's nephew was the same person (but his name became Arothir). The only thing that was changed about him was his place in a genealogical table, which might tell you something.

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by Inoldonil
I knew you didn't dislike all related to Thingol, or you would not like Finrod. I was trying to get across the point that kinship does not necessarily have anything to do with character. You said 'I don't see how my hero [Finrod] grew into such a great guy with all that bad blood.' Obviously you meant it as a kind of joke, but I assumed some authentic feeling behind the comment. Considering his relations, you must be bewildered by the entire family with such a view. Or you should be, I know you aren't. Thus my post was also a suggestion of mine that you should choose your words more carefully. If you noticed the smilies, you would have known I was not serious. I suggest you read more carefully.

[i]Yes, Orodreth as Finrod's nephew was the same person (but his name became Arothir). The only thing that was changed about him was his place in a genealogical table, which might tell you something. [/B]What is it that you seem to think I'm missing?

[Lord_Ov_The_Thunder]

I hated most all the sons of Feanor except Maedhros and Maglor, then Feanor i didn't really hate but i disliked him a bit!!! for all this is from behind his deeds!! then comes Maeglin and then Gollum

[Ñólendil]

If you noticed the smilies, you would have known I was not serious. I suggest you read more carefully.

You may have missed part of what I said: 'Obviously you meant it as a kind of joke, but I assumed some authentic feeling behind the comment.'

What is it that you seem to think I'm missing?

See paragraph above where you made a comment about smilies. :)

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by Inoldonil


You may have missed part of what I said: 'Obviously you meant it as a kind of joke, but I assumed some authentic feeling behind the comment.'The key word is assumed. However, how I meant it was in jest only. How you take it is up to you. I think I made it clear. Therefore I see no problem with the words I chose.



[i]See paragraph above where you made a comment about smilies. :) [/B]So, the answer is, I missed nothing. Now I am pushing your buttons. :) :p

[Ñólendil]

Thinking there was some real feeling behind the jest, my points were mainly that kinship has nothing to do with character and that since you didn't fully mean or understand what you said you should choose your words more carefully. But that's all void now, as I see you were completely joking. Fine, you've ruined my fun :(

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by Inoldonil
Thinking there was some real feeling behind the jest, my points were mainly that kinship has nothing to do with character and that since you didn't fully mean or understand what you said you should choose your words more carefully. But that's all void now, as I see you were completely joking. Fine, you've ruined my fun :( awwwwww poor baby:) It will be ok. We'll just find something else to debate about. OK?

[easterlinge]

Kinship doesn't really determine character. I mean Ar-Pharazon was a jerk, even though he was descended from Elros (or was he? the family tree isn't very well remembered by me). And nearly all the people of Marach became Black Numenoreans.

I dislike King Earnur of Gondor, of all the Dunadan Kings. He squandered away his life, knowing perfectly well he had no heir and there was no one else of Royal Blood for the succession.

[Finmandos12]

Originally posted by easterlinge
And nearly all the people of Marach became Black Numenoreans.

Well, I think you're wrong there. The black Numenoreans were from the southern setlements on ME that the Numenoreans made after Sauron corrupted them. Maybe Marach's people mixed with them though?

I'm an Elven Warrior now! :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

[Ñólendil]

We'll just find something else to debate about. OK?

:)

Yes, Tar-Calion was descended from Elros. All the Rulers of Númenórë were.

Finmandos, he is right about the Black Númenóreans. They were primarily Marachians who had settled on the southern coasts. Many did mingle with the Haradrim down there. I don't think there were very many next by the time the War of the Ring took place.

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by Inoldonil


:)

Yes, Tar-Calion was descended from Elros. All the Rulers of Númenórë were. No, something else. Elven stuff maybe.:)

[Gandalf]

I utterly dislike The Witch King for hurting my poor Eowyn. NO ONE TOUCHES MY EOWYN (aye, Eowyn is my girlfriend's (nick)name).

And of course I detest Saruman's men for hurting those poor ents :(.

[Selwythe]

I didn't like Merry and Pippin. It seemed to me like they were put in the story for the sake of putting them in. It would have been more interesting if Merry was a female as I originally thought, I mean four dull male hobbits... Tolkien could have had Merry and Pippin...awwwww...and yes, I never caught up with the hobbits' humour. Hmm yep, I didn't laugh at all in LoTR

I also didn't like Boromir at all. From when I first read his name that he joined the Council of Elrond, I knew he was going to cause treachery.

[Gandalf]

Boromir didn't betrail anyone. He was merely attracted by the power of the Ring.

More females indeed would have been nice indeed, but I honestly can't think of many fantasy books where females get a bigger role than in LOTR ... after all Eowyn killed the Witch King ...
But I suppose you're right.

- Bram

[sheelova]

What about Ulfang and his brother? The people that were the deciding factors in the Battle of Unnummered Tears, The fifth one. That's has alway really made me mad, because it was the last great assembly of elves and men in the first age ( aside from when the Valar came to help). The book says that the elves would have won the day had it not been for their turning on the elves.

[Sakata]

I didnt like Boromir, Gimli wasnt that great either

[Finmandos12]

I loath those filthy Easterlings of Ulfang's tribe....(Not Bor though, he was a true friend.)

[fatclown]

Bill the pony, god how self centered can you get? I mean realy, he is always demanding that one member of the fellowship help him. And who is he to get scared while the watcher attacks? He isn't even FAST! god what a despicable animal, really pissed me off.




J/k hahahahaa!:D

[Sakata]

Sorta reminds me of Bombur...That fat arse...

[olorin7]

am i the only one who really dislikes feanor? sure he created many great things but he was a total hot head. he never thought anything out and disobeyed the valar.

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by olorin7
am i the only one who really dislikes feanor? sure he created many great things but he was a total hot head. he never thought anything out and disobeyed the valar. No. I don't think you're the only one. He is the obvious character to dislike, but he had a way about him. Smart, crafty, and handsome, but what good is that after he did so many terrible things. He was a hell of an Elf.

[Finglas]

I don't like Manwe. He seems way too aloof for a Valar

[Laurelyn]

I like Manwe.
But I DON"T like Ungoliant.

[Evenstar]

There was no one that I really disliked!!! Everyone (well some of them) had their moments where I thought *you ninnyhammer* but I also had moments that I thought that they were beuatiful characters!!! Now understand that I have only read LotR and the Hobbit...But characters like Boromir, who tried to steal the ring, made up for it in my mind, when he kept on fighting even though he was pierced with 3 arrows. Now Gimli was stubborn and what ever...but you can also think of it as him being proud, and defiant in his beliefs...and his friendship that he developed with Legolas showed that he was a nice dwarve...unlike some of the others!!! I loved Merry and Pippin...I thought they were a great...and although Pippin was "a fool of a took" he was brave and loyal and saved Faramir from being burnt alive!!! Merry saved Eowyn....Aragorn may have been a brooding sort of fellow but he had a heavy weight...cause he was future King and was afraid that he would fail as his blood line did (I can't think of the guys name....was it Isildur??)
Frodo and Sam I never thought ill of!!! I loved them and I honoured them...they were a brilliant story in themselves!!! Bilbo...although he turn all creepy when his "preciousssss" ring was in sight...he was caring and had had an EVIL ring in his possession for many years!!! Gollum...erg...theres a character...I really wanted Sam to kill him a couple of times (well maybe all the time) but as Gandalf said, "My heart tells me the Gollum may have a role to play yet" and if it weren't for him, Frodo would have kept the Ring ( but I suppose he still would have 10 fingers hehe) Saruman and Wormtongue I disliked I suppose!!! But not greatly!!! Sauron wasn't in it enough for me to develop a strong hatred towards him!!! But I did want to kick his evil arse back to Mount Doom a couple of times!!!

I think I'll write about the people from the Hobbit later cause it's late in Australia and I think I wrote to much already!!! Thank you for listening!!! :D

[MasterMothra]

disliked most of the valar, manwe the most what a puss. he was the leader of the valar, he should have faced morgoth face to face in battle. instead he lets the noldor do his dirty work while he sits in his nice little valinor. all the valar were weak and frightened of morgoth's power. only after the elves weakened angbar did the valar come to the aid. haha reminds me of the fbi, let everyone else do the work then the take the credit. i did like ulmo and the valar that created the dwarves.

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by MasterMothra
disliked most of the valar, manwe the most what a puss. he was the leader of the valar, he should have faced morgoth face to face in battle. instead he lets the noldor do his dirty work while he sits in his nice little valinor. all the valar were weak and frightened of morgoth's power. only after the elves weakened angbar did the valar come to the aid. haha reminds me of the fbi, let everyone else do the work then the take the credit. i did like ulmo and the valar that created the dwarves. Gee, you sound a lot like Feanor. Actually, I think that the Valar had every intention of dealing with Morgoth on their own terms, and that includes Manwe. They took council together in the Ring of Doom many times to decide what to do about him and how to protect the Elves and Valinor. The Noldor disobeyed the Valar, and persued Morgoth to Middle-earth. That was their choice, and was the very reason that Valinor was fenced against them. Feanor inflamed the Noldor to rebelion. Not the Valar.

[MasterMothra]

well talk is cheap, and thats about all the valar did.

valar-" i know melkor just came into our backyard, killed the two trees(our most beloved possession), stole the silmerils and killed your father feanor, but we can protect you and your people. dont leave its dangerous out there, your safer here."

feanor-"ok, so when are we goin after him so he doesnt utterly destroy us?"

valar-"uhhh......were not. anyone wanna hear more music. the partys not over.

hmmm. seems like the noldar were gonna die anyway, so why not go out fighting? the valar already demonstated the lack of protection they can offer the elves. and how many valar were there? surely all the mighty valar could defeat one morgoth. so the only reasonable reason that they didnt go after him is they were scared, yep, yellowbellies.

this opinion in no way represents the opinions of the tolkien trail or any of their employees.

[Nibs]

Well, I think all the evil of Middle-Earth stemmed from Melkor. Every bit of it. He began by befriending the elves and telling them Orome was their predator and thus made many of the elves fear the Valar. It went downhill from there.

Many were brought into Melkor's service by either fear or desire for power, and I believe the latter is the cause of corruption throughout the books. No exceptions, except perhaps the One Ring (which is an issue all to itself).

[mirrille]

Originally posted by MasterMothra
valar-" i know melkor just came into our backyard, killed the two trees(our most beloved possession), stole the silmerils and killed your father feanor, but we can protect you and your people. dont leave its dangerous out there, your safer here."

feanor-"ok, so when are we goin after him so he doesnt utterly destroy us?"

valar-"uhhh......were not. anyone wanna hear more music. the partys not over.


Yeah. That's exactly the sense I got. But it looks like I'm in the minority here. Caution is good, but only if you are actually planning to do something at all, not just to sit there and wait things out when it's clear they won't resolve without a plan. :p

I dislike Thingol. Alot. I think his wisdom, although he is not entirely an idiot, is highly overrated. He was arrogant, xenophobic, and selfabsorbed and definitely had the blinders on in quite a few cases. It shows. It makes him do arrogant, xenophobic, and selfabsorbed things.

[FrodoFriend]

Denethor. I just have a problem with that guy. He's mean to Pippin. :mad:

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by mirrille




I dislike Thingol. Alot. I think his wisdom, although he is not entirely an idiot, is highly overrated. He was arrogant, xenophobic, and selfabsorbed and definitely had the blinders on in quite a few cases. It shows. It makes him do arrogant, xenophobic, and selfabsorbed things. Thank goodness somebody else sees the light.;)

[MasterMothra]

yeah, thingol was a joke. without melian he was nothing. he was also a weak punk. guess he got it from his inlaws the mair and valar.

[Elf Girl]

I don't think Denethor is as bad as he looks. I mean, he genuinly thought it was the only way out for his son. I hate Saruman most, probably brcause of his dislike of trees (I'm convinced I'm a decendent of the Ents)and how he manipulates everyone with his voice.

[markedel]

I dislike Gorbag and Shagrat because they both manage to lose.

[Elvellon]

Originally posted by Sister Golden Hair
Thank goodness somebody else sees the light.;)

Well SGH, allow me to disagree whit you on this…:D