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My daughter visited a friend's house for the day and was introduced to Dr. Who (the "Blink" episode - great episode!!!) and told me about it. Having just gotten Netflix going, I streamed it - and fell in love!!!!
My favorite doc is #10, David Tennant. #9 (Christopher Eccleston) is also good. I saw one of the 70's doctors (Tom Baker), which was a real trip. I'm not wild about the new doctor, though (Matt Smith).
Anyway - anyone else here a fan of the Doctor? (I think I saw Gwai say something about liking the show). If so, whatcha like? Favorite episodes? (I gotta give "Blink" a very high rating - what a wild concept!)
I just got a t-shirt with one of my favorite lines - "The angels have the phone box!" :D
EDIT - added in the names of the doctors along with their numbers.
Earniel
06-12-2010, 06:23 AM
I'm two seasons behind. (Got them on tape, just haven't got time to actually watch them yet.) As it happens I watched Blink just a week or so ago, we had missed it the first time around but managed to get a re-run on sy-fy channel. It's one of the best episodes I have seen so far. :) The concept was brilliant. "No, really! Duck!"
I've only seen the 'new' Doctor Who starting with Eccleston. I'm sure dad has got a few episodes with olde doctors, but again the bit with having had no time yet.
"Dalek" was very good, if my memory serves me right, and "Tooth and Claw" has to be one of my favorites as well.
Gwaimir Windgem
06-12-2010, 10:21 AM
Tooth and Claw was great fun, just for the awesome combination of Werewolf + Queen Victoria + Scotland. :D
You're right, Ri, 10 was far and away the best doctor, of the new series, at least (I haven't seen any of the old; 26 seasons is just too intimidating!). For a long time, I thought of 11 as just a cheap knockoff of 10, but I'm finally starting to see him as his own character.
All other things being equal, the second season is best, since it has both Doctor 10 AND Rose, the best companion. :cool:
I loved the Girl in the Fireplace.
As everyone has noted, Blink is superb. Such a shame that the re-appearance of the angels was not as good. From that same season, I remember very much liking the Family of Blood two-parter.
I did not care for the Shakespeare episode; I thought it was tedious, and tried too hard to be clever. The most recent episodes with Van Gogh was a more successful historical-artist show (though everyone in the show seemed to have a far higher opinion of Vince than I do!).
Just a few random thoughts and episodes; of course, there's a lot more there!
I keep up to date with CastTV (http://www.casttv.com/shows/doctor-who), if anyone doesn't have a site like that.
BeardofPants
06-12-2010, 05:01 PM
My favourite Doctors will always be William Hartnell & Patrick Troughton (numbers 1 & 2 respectively). Of the classic Doctors, Tom Baker usually gets cited a LOT, so if you are thinking about checking out classic Doctors, I'd start there (City of Death is awesome-funny). IMO, pretty much any serial with Tom Baker & Lala Ward is pure awesome sauce.
Of the new Doctors, Tennant is my favourite, but I really like the new one as well.
My favourite stories are the Blink one, and the Empty Child/Doctor Dances eps. I also like John Simm as the Master.
As it happens I watched Blink just a week or so ago, we had missed it the first time around but managed to get a re-run on sy-fy channel. It's one of the best episodes I have seen so far. :) The concept was brilliant. "No, really! Duck!" And some of those lines!! :D "Yeah, listen, listen, got to dash... things happening. Well... four things. Well... four things and a lizard." :D
Link to some great lines from "Blink" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1000252/quotes)
I've only seen the 'new' Doctor Who starting with Eccleston. I'm sure dad has got a few episodes with olde doctors, but again the bit with having had no time yet. No kidding ... :(
"Dalek" was very good, if my memory serves me right, and "Tooth and Claw" has to be one of my favorites as well.Oh, there's lots of Daleks around :eek: I liked T&C, too. But Blink was absolutely brilliant!
Earniel
06-12-2010, 06:46 PM
Tooth and Claw was great fun, just for the awesome combination of Werewolf + Queen Victoria + Scotland. :D
It was a good combination. :D I thought the opening scene was great too, you have this grey and sombre scottish landscape, and within seconds suddenly there are monks in bright red clothing beating up the locals.
For a long time, I thought of 11 as just a cheap knockoff of 10, but I'm finally starting to see him as his own character.
From what I've seen of him (which isn't a lot) he certainly seems to be trying his best. But Tennant's a bloody difficult act to follow.
I loved the Girl in the Fireplace.
Didn't that episode win a Hugo award? I think "Blink" won the following year.
Such a shame that the re-appearance of the angels was not as good.
Great monsters often suffer from the law of diminished returns, I think. The audience spent half the episode of "Blink" figuring out what the hell they are and what they do. Once you know that, their return can never have as much impact as they had in their first appearance.
I did not care for the Shakespeare episode; I thought it was tedious, and tried too hard to be clever.
It was okay, I thought. I remember it mostly because I loved the ending. A pity they never followed up with why Queen Elisabeth nearly had a fit when she caught sight of the Doctor. I had been hoping we would learn why in a later episode.
My favourite stories are the Blink one, and the Empty Child/Doctor Dances eps. I also like John Simm as the Master.
He was great as the Master and you can just see he's enjoying himself like mad, playing someone as deliciously evil as that. I was just a bit disappointed because I had hoped sir Derek Jacobi would stick around a little longer. Both actors really managed to send shivers down my spine as the Master.
Earniel
06-12-2010, 06:58 PM
And some of those lines!! :D "Yeah, listen, listen, got to dash... things happening. Well... four things. Well... four things and a lizard." :D
As one-liners go, that was pretty hilarious. It also was that sort of thing I would have liked seeing more of in the third season with Martha: just hints to other adventures they were having off-screen, adventures can could be fun, rather than scary and gloomy all the time. I remember thinking during "The Lazarus Experiment" if that is the sort of adventure people have when entering the Tardis, why would anyone want to go? There was nothing to balance the monster.
Another good quote from Blink:
"Pants?"
"No."
Tooth and Claw was great fun, just for the awesome combination of Werewolf + Queen Victoria + Scotland. :D Can't go wrong with that! :D
You're right, Ri, 10 was far and away the best doctor, of the new series, at least (I haven't seen any of the old; 26 seasons is just too intimidating!). For a long time, I thought of 11 as just a cheap knockoff of 10, but I'm finally starting to see him as his own character. It seemed at first as if he were trying to be like Tennant's doctor, but he's gotten a bit better.
And as far as 11's companion: I didn't like the overt wanna-jump-him-ness of Amy (I mean, on her wedding night?!) - I've always preferred the leave-it-to-your-imagination type of thing, as with Rose and Tennant.
All other things being equal, the second season is best, since it has both Doctor 10 AND Rose, the best companion. :cool: Oh, ab-so-LUTE-ly! *cheers for Rose*
I loved the Girl in the Fireplace.Yes, that's right up there at the top with me, too - loved the whole monster-under-the-bed thing, along with mechanical saw-hands clicky thing and the mask thing - all those things that are just .... creepy ...
I usually sleep with one hand over the edge of the bed (the surgery side - it makes the shoulder more comfortable), but after that episode, I had to force myself to do it! :D
As everyone has noted, Blink is superb. Such a shame that the re-appearance of the angels was not as good. I only saw part of that one, but it was disappointing that they changed the angels - I mean, just the general Hollywood-ish idea of more is better!!! :rolleyes: ("Hey, let's make these angels BETTER! Let's make them break people's necks!")
I mean, it was the subtleness and uniqueness of the angels' method of dispatchment that was so cool.
From that same season, I remember very much liking the Family of Blood two-parter. I need to re-watch that one - don't remember a lot about it. I've basically watched all of the older-newer ones (Eccleston and Tennant) once, and a couple twice.
I did not care for the Shakespeare episode; I thought it was tedious, and tried too hard to be clever. The most recent episodes with Van Gogh was a more successful historical-artist show (though everyone in the show seemed to have a far higher opinion of Vince than I do!). I don't remember Van Gogh - was that with Smith's doctor?
Just a few random thoughts and episodes; of course, there's a lot more there!
I keep up to date with CastTV (http://www.casttv.com/shows/doctor-who), if anyone doesn't have a site like that.oh, thanks - I'll check it out.
My favourite Doctors will always be William Hartnell & Patrick Troughton (numbers 1 & 2 respectively). I'll work my way back to them eventually. I think almost all of the episodes are available of all the doctors, except some of the first one.
Of the classic Doctors, Tom Baker usually gets cited a LOT, so if you are thinking about checking out classic Doctors, I'd start there (City of Death is awesome-funny). I saw one of his - some giant bug on a spaceship, and the people turning into the bug - awesome-terrible special effects, and I kept wanting to tell him to pick up the ends of his scarf because it was trailing everywhere! :eek: Wonderful 70's hair ...
IMO, pretty much any serial with Tom Baker & Lala Ward is pure awesome sauce. Was she Sara Jane?
EDIT - wikkied her - she's "Romana" - and a Time Lady?! Hmmm ... must see ...
Of the new Doctors, Tennant is my favourite, but I really like the new one as well.
My favourite stories are the Blink one, and the Empty Child/Doctor Dances eps. I also like John Simm as the Master.Yeah, Simms is wonderful. And my kids (after seeing the Child/Dance episodes) keep saying "Are you my Mummy?" to me :D
Just found this Dr Who (Tom Baker) clip with .... John Cleese!
here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mmal0PMkmI)
Gwaimir Windgem
06-12-2010, 10:06 PM
My favourite stories are the Blink one, and the Empty Child/Doctor Dances eps. I also like John Simm as the Master.
Empty Child was a really great one. Children are already creepy, but children in gas masks... :eek:
From what I've seen of him (which isn't a lot) he certainly seems to be trying his best. But Tennant's a bloody difficult act to follow.
He is a hard act to follow; I think after basking in the glory that is Tennant, it may have taken me a bit to adjust to the nuances of the lesser light of Smith. :p Eventually, I decided that he did, in fact, have a distinct and worthwhile personality.
Didn't that episode win a Hugo award? I think "Blink" won the following year.
I have no idea, but I wouldn't be the least surprised, on both counts. :)
Great monsters often suffer from the law of diminished returns, I think. The audience spent half the episode of "Blink" figuring out what the hell they are and what they do. Once you know that, their return can never have as much impact as they had in their first appearance.
Very true. At that point, I think it's an artistic mistake to try to revive them. I wish they'd left it at just "Blink."
A pity they never followed up with why Queen Elisabeth nearly had a fit when she caught sight of the Doctor. I had been hoping we would learn why in a later episode.
Pfft, it wouldn't be Doctor Who if all loose ends were tied up! :p
And as far as 11's companion: I didn't like the overt wanna-jump-him-ness of Amy (I mean, on her wedding night?!) - I've always preferred the leave-it-to-your-imagination type of thing, as with Rose and Tennant.
I think Amy was just going through some weird stuff (well...obviously :p); I think long-term her relation to the Doctor was more "noticing" than really "going after." Though who knows if that'll change, now that SPOILERRZ!!! :eek:
Yes, that's right up there at the top with me, too - loved the whole monster-under-the-bed thing, along with mechanical saw-hands clicky thing and the mask thing - all those things that are just .... creepy ...
I usually sleep with one hand over the edge of the bed (the surgery side - it makes the shoulder more comfortable), but after that episode, I had to force myself to do it!
That is just awesome. :D
The clockwork bits were the best, as far as creepy-factor goes. The way the ship was being repaired also sent tiny chills up my spine, which were counter-balanced by the Doctor's horse. Just the idea of looking through a fireplace and seeing another world on the other side was also magnificent.
And, it didn't hurt that I have a soft spot for the 18th century. :p
I only saw part of that one, but it was disappointing that they changed the angels - I mean, just the general Hollywood-ish idea of more is better!!! ("Hey, let's make these angels BETTER! Let's make them break people's necks!")
And more of them. "Hey, if a handful of angels is awesome, just think what an ARMY OF THEM WOULD BE!" :rolleyes:
The one good bit of that episode was when the crack kept erasing people.
I don't remember Van Gogh - was that with Smith's doctor?
Yes, it was the episode from last Saturday, so you probably haven't seen it unless you're quite caught up.
BeardofPants
06-13-2010, 02:44 PM
There are two Romanas - the second one is best.
I'll work my way back to them eventually. I think almost all of the episodes are available of all the doctors, except some of the first one.
Most of the second doctor's eps got destroyed by the BBC (as well as some of the first), but there are still some good ones.
Tessar
06-13-2010, 02:49 PM
Just found this Dr Who (Tom Baker) clip with .... John Cleese!
here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mmal0PMkmI)
My sister showed me that the other day! :D I loled quite heartily.... it's just hilarious. The woman has awesome comedic timing ;).
Earniel
06-14-2010, 07:59 AM
Has anyone ever seen "Dreamland"? It's an animated Doctor Who episode with Tennant's Doctor taking place in Roswell. The animation is a bit silly sometimes, but the plot is nice, it is as quotable as any Doctor Who episode, and aliens aplenty.
Yes, that's right up there at the top with me, too - loved the whole monster-under-the-bed thing, along with mechanical saw-hands clicky thing and the mask thing - all those things that are just .... creepy ...
The clockwork repair crew were a work of art. Sure the masks were creepy, but the gears and clockwork inside the transparant head was, as far as I 'm concerned, a really stunning design. I often day-dream about being part of a prop team on a fantasy or sci-fi film-set, sadly I don't think I have the vast oceans of imagination those people have to have to come up with all these critters. (My imagination would, I reckon, amount to a large lake, maybe a land-locked sea...)
Was she Sara Jane?
I think the actress playing Sarah Jane is Elizabeth Sladen. She's now does the Sarah Jane Adventures, a Doctor Who spin-off series for kids. I've seen most of the three seasons so far and it's not bad at all. I find it a bit endearing, it reminds me of the sort of children adventure books I liked to read when I was young(er).
Pfft, it wouldn't be Doctor Who if all loose ends were tied up! :p
There's that, but you've got to admit, it is a very interesting plot hook! ;)
The way the ship was being repaired also sent tiny chills up my spine, which were counter-balanced by the Doctor's horse. Just the idea of looking through a fireplace and seeing another world on the other side was also magnificent.
The way he ran into that horse and how it followed him around was genius. :D
Gwaimir Windgem
06-20-2010, 06:01 PM
Any one catch the latest?
yeah ...
...
wasn't wild about it ... I wish they would have made the lizard people just a little more ... different ... not just extras in lizard suits. I wish they would have come up with some movement mannerism or something. They had that hiss thing, but I think they could have exerted their imagination a bit more.
I missed the end, though - I think Rory dies?
Anyway, as far as identifying creepy stuff, they nailed being pulled underground. I think the vivisection thing was overkill, though ...
You?
oh, yeah - saw a Romana II episode - fun! (In fact, it was the one with the John Cleese bit!) And I felt that I had to see one of the first doctor's episodes - saw the Mayan one - eh, a bit formulaic, IMO, but interesting to see how the doctor changed over time. One thing seems to be constant, though - women love him and are willing to die for him. Interesting how the women considered appropriate for the doctor were in their 60's or so for the first doctor, who looked about in his late 60's, and how the newer doctors look younger and like their women younger, too :D
Gwaimir Windgem
06-22-2010, 10:16 AM
Naw, that's not the latest, though You're right about the end.
I'm thinking about the Pandorica Opens, the first part of the season finale.
BeardofPants
06-23-2010, 12:34 AM
Glad you got a chance to experience class doctor who, Rian. That wasn't a very good Hartnell ep, though. I much prefer The Chase (has a Beatles clip!!), or the Space Museum (the doctor hides in a dalek exo-shell). :D
City of Death seriously is the most awesome dr ep of all time (no bias here). In an interesting tie-in to my beatles reference, the woman in that clip was in Help!
Gwaimir Windgem
06-27-2010, 02:11 AM
Just watched the second half of the finale. Moffat could have done better, and it didn't quite live up to the first half last week, but there were some moments of pure magic.
But there's a question that's still bugging me:
Why did the TARDIS explode in the first place? :confused:
Morwen
06-27-2010, 12:04 PM
That's actually a really good question.
Oh wait no - didn't the Doctor say at the end that he didn't know what had sparked it all in the first place? I think it'll continue in the next series...
BeardofPants
06-29-2010, 07:05 AM
The tardis bit was not resolved.
And good grief, what a twisty bit of story telling. My brain hurts.
Gwaimir Windgem
06-29-2010, 10:15 AM
Well, that's a relief. I just missed them mentioning that it hadn't been figured out.
Yes, indeed; soooo timey-wimey! :eek: They charged a bit too gleefully into the absurdities of time travel for my taste, to be honest.
BeardofPants
06-30-2010, 01:30 AM
But, but... FEZ!
I liked it, but I think I have to re-watch... I'm sure I missed stuff.
Gwaimir Windgem
06-30-2010, 03:17 PM
Fezes are cool. :cool:
I liked it too; the mop scene was the funniest I've seen on the show for some time, and the something old at the end was pure magic. I may just have some residual resistance to the wibbly-wobbliness of Whovian time travel. :p
I mean The Doctor escaped, because he time travelled to Rory to tell him how to let him out...after he had escaped.
At that point, there's NOTHING you can't do! :eek:
Nerdanel
07-06-2010, 05:15 PM
Fezes are cool. :cool:
I liked it too; the mop scene was the funniest I've seen on the show for some time, and the something old at the end was pure magic. I may just have some residual resistance to the wibbly-wobbliness of Whovian time travel. :p
I mean The Doctor escaped, because he time travelled to Rory to tell him how to let him out...after he had escaped.
At that point, there's NOTHING you can't do! :eek:
hehe, indeed.. and i think moffat even said that that's the best thing about a show like doctor who: you can basically explain everything with timey-wimey stuff! :D
i really liked this season. the finale wasn't entirely satisfying, but i think that's a good thing: there are many things yet to be resolved later on. moffat is certainly better at writing finales than r. t. davies, though. :)
i'm watching the whole series a third time atm (yes, i'm slightly obsessed), and it's still so great.. 8D
we figured out the (re-)visit in flesh and stone (where the doctor comes and tells amy that she has to remember what he told him when she was 7) before it was resolved in the finale. you see, he lost his jacket earlier in that episode, but when he told amy that, he had it on again.. we thought that was pretty cool. :P
fish-custard for everyone! 8D
Am I behind things in Arizona? has the new season ended yet? The next one up for us is the staircase one. We just finished watching the Van Gogh one - invisible (except to Vincent) monster - way to save on the special effect budget! :D :D Nice concept, though, although I thought the bit about taking him to the museum at the end was a bit treacle-y (and I thought they couldn't travel along their own timeline or whatever - but as they say, timey-wimey explains all! :D )
(The Van Gogh episode actually played a week and a half ago, though - I taped it because we were on vacation, but the next one up on real-time is the staircase one, I think - is there another one I've missed?)
There was a nice quick little reference to past doctors when he took a pic of himself and showed it to the ID mirror thing - saw a coupla past docs, although not Tennant ...
Gee, makes me want to go back and watch Blink ...
Gwaimir Windgem
07-08-2010, 12:14 AM
hehe, indeed.. and i think moffat even said that that's the best thing about a show like doctor who: you can basically explain everything with timey-wimey stuff! :D
I guess I'm just going to have to grit my teeth, quash my cause-and-effect mode of thinking, and enjoy. ;)
i really liked this season. the finale wasn't entirely satisfying, but i think that's a good thing: there are many things yet to be resolved later on. moffat is certainly better at writing finales than r. t. davies, though. :)
I felt the same way. I think I said a while back that season 2 was the best, but after seeing the finale, and how the way everything ties together, I've decided that this was the best season. I'm thinking about going back and re-watching it, just to see what I missed. :D
I heard about what the Flesh and Stone bit you mentioned; apparently, a lot of people appreciated that little tip of the hat, though I didn't pick up on it myself... :o
Am I behind things in Arizona? has the new season ended yet? The next one up for us is the staircase one. We just finished watching the Van Gogh one - invisible (except to Vincent) monster -
Sounds like you are; we've had a two-part season finale. I think the first part of it should be the next episode for you, after the staircase one. :)
way to save on the special effect budget! Nice concept, though, although I thought the bit about taking him to the museum at the end was a bit treacle-y (and I thought they couldn't travel along their own timeline or whatever - but as they say, timey-wimey explains all! )
Yeah, one of the things that made it difficult for me to enjoy that episode was that everyone on it seems to have a much higher opinion of Van Gogh than I do...
As for crossing time-lines, all I can say is: brace yourself for the finale. :p
OOOOKAAYYYY!!!
:: (-_-) ::
(bummer that we're so behind the times here in AZ! I hope the staircase one is good - it look like it could be good .... *crosses fingers*)
Draken
07-08-2010, 06:47 AM
I thought it was a very good series and the finale added to it. I'm not going to slag off RTD because he resurrected (regenerated?) the whole thing in the first place and he contributed some great episodes ("Turn Left" is a dark little classic that foreshadows "Torchwood: Children of Earth", for instance). But his finales were just too damn grandiose and portentous. The subject of Moffatt's finale was as grandiose as it gets but it didn't seem that way because he focussed on just a few people.
Moffatt said from the start he wanted a fairytale-like quality to this series and I think he succeeded. The resolution, and Amy's part in it, was, like Gwaimir said, magical.
Matt Smith probably had the toughest ever act to follow and did the best ever job at doing it, Karen Gillan is immensely popular with my family's three young critics AND upsets the Daily Mail, so she's doing something right (and oh my word she's nice to look at...).
And for those of you who have seen the finale episode, check this out, it's excellent in a timey-wimey way... http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladewood/4745071483/
BeardofPants
07-08-2010, 07:11 AM
Nice one, Draken (re: link). Agree w/ you on RTD finales. God, they were cheesier than a dominoes stuffed cheese pizza. :/
Draken
07-08-2010, 07:15 AM
Agree w/ you on RTD finales. God, they were cheesier than a dominoes stuffed cheese pizza. :/
Yeah and the Ominous Forewarning trick got very tired very quickly:
"This is how I died" (No it isn't, cos you didn't)
"One of you WILL die" (No they won't)
"This is the End of Time" (well, it wasn't, was it...)
Gwaimir Windgem
07-08-2010, 10:35 AM
("Turn Left" is a dark little classic that foreshadows "Torchwood: Children of Earth", for instance).
Turn left was a fabulous episode, as was it's twin, Midnight. Didn't he write the Waters of Mars special, too? Another genuine creep-fest.
Nerdanel
07-08-2010, 12:43 PM
I thought it was a very good series and the finale added to it. I'm not going to slag off RTD because he resurrected (regenerated?) the whole thing in the first place and he contributed some great episodes ("Turn Left" is a dark little classic that foreshadows "Torchwood: Children of Earth", for instance). But his finales were just too damn grandiose and portentous. The subject of Moffatt's finale was as grandiose as it gets but it didn't seem that way because he focussed on just a few people.
I agree about RTD: even if his finales weren't very good, he did a great job by bringing back the series. :) I have to be eternally thankful to him for that.. And I think he brought a nice, non-heteronormative aspect to the series too, and I quite appreciate that.
Matt Smith probably had the toughest ever act to follow and did the best ever job at doing it, Karen Gillan is immensely popular with my family's three young critics AND upsets the Daily Mail, so she's doing something right (and oh my word she's nice to look at...).
Indeed. I was quite nervous to see who they'd bring in after Tennant, who did a great job and to make the role his. Matt Smith is doing a brilliant job, though - no need to convince me anymore. :) I really like Karen Gillan, mostly because she's very clever. I hope they don't bring in stupid companions anymore, they're just boring.. :P
Great season! And brilliant link.. :D
Gwaimir Windgem
07-08-2010, 05:58 PM
I agree about RTD: even if his finales weren't very good, he did a great job by bringing back the series. :) I have to be eternally thankful to him for that.. And I think he brought a nice, non-heteronormative aspect to the series too, and I quite appreciate that.
To my mind, that one goes both ways. He certainly has upped the ante with supporting characters (most notably Captain Jack), but at the same time, having all the sexual tension between Rose and the Doctor introduces a heteronormativity, where before the Doctor was (usually) portrayed as asexual. So, ya win some, ya lose some.
Turn left was a fabulous episode, as was it's twin, Midnight. Didn't he write the Waters of Mars special, too? Another genuine creep-fest.
Y'know, Turn Left started out great, and I loved the concept of not seeing what was on your own back, but it just got kinda too heavy and boring at the end - too "oh my the end of the world" disaster-y for me.
Midnight was wonderful, though! That actress was brilliant - the expression in her eyes was just so unwordly ... and the way she kept so still, kind of like a wounded animal, then an animal ready to spring ... creepy!
I bet they had a lot of laughing over the filming, though - those double-speak sequences had to be hard!
Draken
07-09-2010, 10:21 AM
Y'know, Turn Left started out great, and I loved the concept of not seeing what was on your own back, but it just got kinda too heavy and boring at the end - too "oh my the end of the world" disaster-y for me.
It was the heavier implications of how society started to fall apart that made the episode, for me! It's something that sci-fi can do but not enough, in my opinion: use the rationale of a world where alien invasions/time travel/whatever can happen and use that to examine what makes real-life people and societies tick. Like I said, "Turn Left" is in some ways a dry-run for "Torchwood: Children of Earth" in that respect.
Tessar
07-09-2010, 12:10 PM
To my mind, that one goes both ways. He certainly has upped the ante with supporting characters (most notably Captain Jack), but at the same time, having all the sexual tension between Rose and the Doctor introduces a heteronormativity, where before the Doctor was (usually) portrayed as asexual. So, ya win some, ya lose some.
That's why I loved it when Catherine Tate was in the series (I can't remember her character name...). It took out the sexual tension, AND she was a real actress :p. Also hilarious. I love that woman! :D
Yeah, that was a fun dynamic!
BeardofPants
07-09-2010, 05:34 PM
I miss Donna. :(
Gwaimir Windgem
07-09-2010, 06:23 PM
At first, I thought her brash personality was going to be annoying, but everything evened out in the end, to the point that she's my fave companion after Rose. :)
I agree with you, Gwai. She was so quirky and funny so often, than when she did tragic, it was very moving. And such a pal! Just what the doc needed.
Hmm, just watched the staircase episode - hroom, hroom ...
Well, didn't love it, and just a bit too many references to other things - just striving to be kinda over-clever, maybe? And in at least two episodes now there have been pics of other doctors, yet not of Tennant ... :D Afraid of our competition, are we? :D
I like Smith a bit better overall, but not the show yet - and Amy sure didn't have much of a part in this one besides screaming *sigh*
ok just watched the first (I think?) of the two-part finale (it's two part, right?) - rather a cute idea - the Doctor wondering and talking about the most dangerous thing in the universe, and "who are you?", etc. etc., and ... it's empty and is intended for him!
love the potato-head guys!
Draken
07-19-2010, 06:58 AM
Yep it's a two parter. Prepare yourself for a total change of pace for the final episode, and a very effective one too. I'd say it's easily the best New Who finale but if you don't rate this series much by now, you may well disagree!
The potato heads are the mighty warrior race the Sontarans. Who do indeed look like potatoes.
I'm looking forward to it! (although Doc #10 is still the best!)
lobby
08-14-2010, 02:22 AM
It is a good show!
highly recommended!!
Just re-watched Tennant's final show - the first time I watched it, I didn't catch all the references to the characters and incidents. I just re-watched it after seeing all his episodes, and it's a lot more fun :) It took me a long time to find that Alonso reference, though, because for some reason, that episode isn't on Netflix streaming at all - it's only on disk, and they even had an error and sent me the wrong disk, and I had to call them and get them to fix it in their links. It's the "Titanic" Christmas special. It's sooooo sad! :( and Kylie Minogue is so cute in it!!! But so many nice people died :(
I love that lottery ticket thing! :D And Wilf is such a sweetie!!!
Gwaimir Windgem
10-28-2010, 10:30 PM
And I quite liked that Vale Decem song; a very nice goodbye to my fave Doctor.
*sniffle*
Yes, very nice!
I just found a blooper in one of our favorite episodes - in "The Girl in the Fireplace", when the Doctor rejoins Rose and Micky with the horse following him, at one point you can see the horse in the mirror, along with Rose's head. The shot changes, then changes back, and because Rose has changed her head position slightly you can clearly see the horse trainer reaching towards the horse making him stay where he is. Just for a split second, but very clear. In fact, at first I thought it was someone on the ship, but remembered that the crew is goners.
I tried to find a blooper list for that show, and couldn't find it, then tried to find a blooper list for that season, and couldn't find it. There's a Dr Who blooper list for all doctors up thru Eccleston, though.
Nerdanel
11-12-2010, 03:51 AM
*grin* we thought we saw some bloopers in the 5th season, until we realized that they weren't bloopers.. :P damn, we sat and looked through episodes and had loads of theories.. which then turned out to be at least partially right! doctor who just brings out that very obsessed part of us.. have to figure stuff before they reveal it! XD
mithrand1r
12-13-2010, 09:08 PM
My favourite Doctors will always be William Hartnell & Patrick Troughton (numbers 1 & 2 respectively). Of the classic Doctors, Tom Baker usually gets cited a LOT, so if you are thinking about checking out classic Doctors, I'd start there (City of Death is awesome-funny). IMO, pretty much any serial with Tom Baker & Lala Ward is pure awesome sauce.
Of the new Doctors, Tennant is my favourite, but I really like the new one as well.
My favourite stories are the Blink one, and the Empty Child/Doctor Dances eps. I also like John Simm as the Master.
I have seen only a few Patrick Troughton episodes.
Hartnell was charming as the doctor. I liked that he was not always portrayed as a typical hero. He had some visible flaws. Occasionally he had to be nudged by his companions to do the right thing.
Each doctor had something to bring to the role. If the story was good enough it really did not matter too much who the Doctor was to me.
Of the Original doctors I did not like Colin Baker (6)
Of the new series I did not care much for #9 Christopher Eccleston.
Roger Delgado was an excellent Master to Jon Pertwee's Doctor. Some of their banter is classic in my opinion.
mithrand1r
12-15-2010, 12:01 AM
I miss Donna. :(
So do I. She was one of the better companions for the Doctor.
Some of her comedy is funny as well. I never heard of her until she appeared on Dr. Who.
SOOO - has anyone seen the new Dr Who Christmas special?
I liked it a lot! That was surprising, because I haven't been wild about the new doctor and the new style, but I liked it a lot. I loved the fish in the air, and that little vignette of Christmas Eve scenes ("Hello, Doctor!" "Hello, Doctor!" "Hello, Doctor!" " .... Hel-LO, Kazran! :D ) was very well done.
Some very clever lines, too, and clever situations (marrying Marilyn Monroe!). Overall, very good :) Anyone else see it?
Nerdanel
01-03-2011, 06:01 AM
i saw it. :)
i was quite disappointed, to be honest; i've never been a big fan of the christmas specials, 'cause they always seem like they're very oriented towards people who never watch doctor who, except at christmas. there's usually never anything new that develops the overall story or any of the characters; the christmas specials, to me, seem like any scifi show. that's how it was when russel t. davies was still making them, and i was hoping that steven moffat would do a more interesting job (since that's what i think he's done over all).. but he didn't, really. the timey-wimeyness was of course nice, but nothing unique.
it was great to see the doctor again, though. i do love the new doctor and i really look forward to the next season. :)
i saw it. :)
i was quite disappointed, to be honest; i've never been a big fan of the christmas specials, 'cause they always seem like they're very oriented towards people who never watch doctor who, except at christmas. there's usually never anything new that develops the overall story or any of the characters; the christmas specials, to me, seem like any scifi show.
That's one thing that I liked - it's stand-alone, and is fine by itself, so I guess we're just different that way. And if they bring in new fans, that's great :)
I don't feel they're like any other scifi show, either - they still have the Dr. Who flavor, but they don't do any development of the story or characters.
Actually, that's one thing that I haven't liked about the new doctor - I think his shows have too much development and continuity. I liked Tennant's doctor the best (probably because it's the first doctor I saw, but a lot of people love his version of the doctor, too) and the feel of his shows. Most of his shows could stand on their own (except the final ones, of course), but were more enjoyable the more you knew. For example, Midnight is a great episode, IMO, and it stands on its own very well, but it is FAR better if you are a Dr. Who fan and know the details (for example, you'll catch the brief flash of Rose on the tv when the Doctor's back is turned).
Well, the new season starts in March over here, I think - we'll see how it goes - from what I can tell, they're centering it in America ...
Draken
01-04-2011, 07:34 AM
I quite liked it. Can't entirely agree with Nerdanel, as past Christmas specials have been used to introduce a new Doctor and introduce a future companion, so they have played a major part in furthering the ongoing plot of the series. But certainly this one was more stand-alone (probably. You can never be sure with Moffat!).
I had feared a straightforward rip-off of A Christmas Carol so was pleasantly surprised. I liked the concept of Sardik seeing his past altered and recalling his "new" memories simultaneously. Some great one-liners, Ms Jenkins looked stunning and Amy was back in uniform, so I was happy.
Kasabian did air sharks first though (check out the video for 'Cutt Off' on Youtube, good track).
mithrand1r
01-04-2011, 02:01 PM
SOOO - has anyone seen the new Dr Who Christmas special?
I liked it a lot! That was surprising, because I haven't been wild about the new doctor and the new style, but I liked it a lot. I loved the fish in the air, and that little vignette of Christmas Eve scenes ("Hello, Doctor!" "Hello, Doctor!" "Hello, Doctor!" " .... Hel-LO, Kazran! :D ) was very well done.
Some very clever lines, too, and clever situations (marrying Marilyn Monroe!). Overall, very good :) Anyone else see it?
Overall, I liked the Christmas special. A nice twist on "A Christmas Carol."
I would like more episodes of Dr. Who. Will need to wait till March.
I do not like it when the past is rewritten in general. For me it gets to be a pain in the neck. (Thankfully the original series avoided this for the most part.)
The part of the organ not being in tune with the "new" Karzan did not make sense to me. Karzan's dad would have made the organ work for the "new" Karzan since dad grew up with both Karzans. (It did make for a more bittersweet ending.)
(Too bad a cure could not have been found, but that is life. The Doctor could have changed the past again to find a way to keep her alive, but then things get confusing again with all of the timeline jumping/changing.)
Yes, it's hard to keep things consistent! Also, I don't quite like the multiple use of the time-jumping bracelet thing - it makes things too easy.
Gwaimir Windgem
01-06-2011, 01:43 AM
I just saw this today, and I loved it! So fun, so quirky, so timey-wimey, such good dialogue (At last, a lie too big!), and so visually and conceptually beautiful. I have to admit, I even shed a tear when the Doc showed Karzan the future. :o
Gwaimir Windgem
01-06-2011, 02:03 PM
Okay, there's a lot more than timey-wimey involved in
this (http://www.spacecast.com/article/The-Doctor-to-wed-e28098Doctore28099s-Daughtere28099). O.o
I knew they were dating a while back, but I was just wondering if they were still together ... obviously they are! How cute! Their kids are going to be illegally cute! :D
Earniel
01-06-2011, 08:51 PM
Tennant's engaged? Well, that's gonna break quite a few fangirls' hearts...
mithrand1r
01-08-2011, 11:07 PM
Tennant's engaged? Well, that's gonna break quite a few fangirls' hearts...
Maybe the Doctor is from the deep south since he will be marrying his daughter. ;);)
I would be interested in other non-DW work with David Tennant.
The Keys of Marinus is, imo, a very good Hartnell DW story. This can be seen on youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8J3d4wIM5A&feature=BF&list=PL296A1AB88AD03E5E&index=1
The Talons of Weng-Chiang is a good Tom Baker DW story. I like the costumes and scenery of this story. Makes me think of Sherlock Holmes' London.
(City of Death is awesome-funny). IMO, pretty much any serial with Tom Baker & Lala Ward is pure awesome sauce.
The 6 "fake" Mona Lisa paintings were a funny what if scenario.:D
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/classic/clips/index.shtml
Some DW clips from the BBC and some other info about the Doctor.
Draken
01-11-2011, 08:16 AM
Tennant's engaged? Well, that's gonna break quite a few fangirls' hearts...
Sod the fangirls: I'm heartbroken that Georgia Moffett's engaged! :(
Gwaimir Windgem
01-26-2011, 11:52 PM
Anyone know when Who starts up again?
nope ... I think it's different in different parts of the country, too - I remember being behind a few shows.
mithrand1r
01-27-2011, 02:25 PM
nope ... I think it's different in different parts of the country, too - I remember being behind a few shows.
Spring 2011 in the USA on BBC America.
If I were to guess I would think about Easter. (24April2011 Easter)
I think probably April 23 or April 30.
http://www.bbcamerica.com/shows/doctor-who/index.jsp
BBCA
On a related note - I've been watching Torchwood lately, just because of Dr. Who. It's so-so ... definitely not as good as the Doctor.
Earniel
01-27-2011, 08:58 PM
It never quite managed to get to the Doctor Who levels, IMO. But then Doctor Who has high standards to compete with.
There were some good bits and episodes in Torchwood but it was so-so mostly and even rather poor in other places too. The characters annoyed me to no end as well, especially during the first season, it eased a bit during the second one, but not that much.
The Sarah Jane Adventures is the better spin-off series if you ask me.
Gwaimir Windgem
01-27-2011, 11:21 PM
On a related note - I've been watching Torchwood lately, just because of Dr. Who. It's so-so ... definitely not as good as the Doctor.
The first two seasons were entertaining, at best, and obnoxious at worst. The third season actually gets to be Genuinely Good, though; so much so that I wanted it to end there, and was disappointed when I learned there was going to be a fourth.
mithrand1r
01-28-2011, 08:19 PM
It never quite managed to get to the Doctor Who levels, IMO. But then Doctor Who has high standards to compete with.
There were some good bits and episodes in Torchwood but it was so-so mostly and even rather poor in other places too. The characters annoyed me to no end as well, especially during the first season, it eased a bit during the second one, but not that much.
The Sarah Jane Adventures is the better spin-off series if you ask me.
The few Sarah Jane episodes I have seen were not bad. It is possible they could get better, but they have not been on the tele here in the states in a while.
I never cared much for torchwood in DW, so I was not going to watch a series based on torchwood.
Earniel
01-29-2011, 07:28 AM
The few Sarah Jane episodes I have seen were not bad. It is possible they could get better, but they have not been on the tele here in the states in a while.
There are three seasons now, starting on the fourth. It's a kid's series, obviously, but it's a series I know I would have loved when younger.
Hey, I just found out that 'Torchwood' is an anagram of "Doctor Who"!
Earniel
02-11-2011, 07:10 PM
Yes, apartly that's on purpose. The stoy goes that they used the anagram Torchwood -I think during the first new season- as a undercover name when transporting the taped final episodes. Nobody would link Torchwood with Doctor Who at that moment, so nobody would look at them twice. Then they decided they liked the name so much, they incorporated it in the series.
Yeah, that's a fun bit of trivia :)
SO - does anyone here remember how Torchwood (IOW, Jack) ends up with the Doctor's hand in that bubbly glass jar? I had to look it up - and I just happened to see that particular episode a few days ago :cheers: Now THAT is a bizarre link between the series! :eek:
I finished Torchwood via Netflix - the Children of Earth ending was very interesting ...
Draken
03-15-2011, 12:13 PM
Yep, I remember!
Children Of Earth is one of those things which, while I thought it was stunning, I'm not sure I could easily watch again. Talk about bleak...
yes, it was very heavy ...
Nerdanel
03-19-2011, 06:04 PM
2 new doctor who mini-episodes! :D ah, i've missed them.. they'll be back on april 23, w00tness!
Space (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uStWeeEVQAc)
Time (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkmiefoRcfU)
Gwaimir Windgem
03-19-2011, 06:16 PM
Yay! So missed the utter lack of sense-making! :D
Nerdanel
03-19-2011, 07:13 PM
*grin* indeed!
wait! what? where?!?! *looks around eagerly*
Nerdanel
03-20-2011, 05:52 AM
2 new doctor who mini-episodes! :D ah, i've missed them.. they'll be back on april 23, w00tness!
Space (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uStWeeEVQAc)
Time (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkmiefoRcfU)
here. :D unfortunately it happened to end up as the last post on the previous page..
mithrand1r
04-06-2011, 04:11 PM
2 new doctor who mini-episodes! :D ah, i've missed them.. they'll be back on april 23, w00tness!
Space (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uStWeeEVQAc)
Time (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkmiefoRcfU)
The episodes were nice, though short. I still do not like "time loops", but I did enjoy the episodes as a whole.
2 new doctor who mini-episodes! :D ah, i've missed them.. they'll be back on april 23, w00tness!
Space (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uStWeeEVQAc)
Time (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkmiefoRcfU)
Finally watched them - cute!
Earniel
04-20-2011, 05:04 AM
Elisabeth Sladen has died. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-13137674)
Darn. :( I didn't even know she was ill.
Nerdanel
04-20-2011, 07:33 AM
oh, damn. :( i didn't either!
mithrand1r
04-20-2011, 09:39 PM
Elisabeth Sladen has died. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-13137674)
Darn. :( I didn't even know she was ill.
I did not think she was that old.
Sladen had been battling cancer for some time and leaves actor husband Brian Miller and daughter Sadie.
It is a shame. I enjoyed watching her on tv over the years. :(
BeardofPants
04-21-2011, 03:55 AM
She wasn't. She was just 60-something. She died of cancer.
mithrand1r
04-21-2011, 12:42 PM
She wasn't. She was just 60-something. She died of cancer.
I should have been clearer. I did not expect her to be dead, since I did not think she was old. (ie 60 something is not that old)
Draken
04-21-2011, 05:21 PM
I should have been clearer. I did not expect her to be dead, since I did not think she was old. (ie 60 something is not that old)
I feel so sad. What a truly beautiful woman, inside and out.
:(
I wish she could have stayed just a few days more to see the new season ...
I loved the catfight between her and Rose with Tennant's doctor! and then how they moved from rivals to allies.
I certainly hope they can show something about her in the premiere.
Draken
04-23-2011, 05:56 AM
Well, time to concentrate on the new series.... I'm almost as excited the kids. Rave previews in the press, the new monsters are allegedly terrifying, rumours of a major death in Episode 1, and I imagine we're moving towards the climax of the River Song storyline.... can't wait!
Nerdanel
04-23-2011, 11:07 AM
i'm super-excited too. :D too bad i'm at my sister-in-law's place this weekend (in brighton); she has 2 kids, who do like doctor who, but they're loud. and we've had several years of building up a system to watch the doctor, so breaking that with the first episode of a new season feels a bit.. weird. :P but hopefully it'll all be fine and the episode will be awesome! 8D
uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu uu................
Draken
04-23-2011, 05:52 PM
Wow. What just happened? Head still reeling a bit, to be honest.
And yes, that counts as a major death. I think. Maybe.
Gwaimir Windgem
04-25-2011, 01:51 AM
Were we supposed to know Amy is YOU KNOW WHAT? Did I just forget about that completely?
Also, it could possibly be TWO major deaths, at least as left. :eek:
And BOTH Amy and River complained of upset tummy (i.e., morning sickness) .... was THAT little detail significant?
Love the alien idea - you forget them as soon as you're not looking at them!
Nerdanel
04-25-2011, 06:13 AM
i doubt anyone's pregnant, to be honest. somehow, i don't think that's what amy wanted to tell the doctor.. 'cause why would that be so important that she had to tell it at exactly that moment?
and did anyone else catch what the aliens are called (it was only shown in the casting)? ;)
awesome episode.. very steven moffat, too.
what do you think the alien meant when it said that amy has to tell the doctor what he has to know, and what he should never know?
can't wait until saturday!!! :D:D:D:D
Gwaimir Windgem
04-25-2011, 10:56 AM
Also noteworthy: unless we have major plot changes, it looks like Smith is the last Doctor?
Nerdanel
04-25-2011, 11:18 AM
Also noteworthy: unless we have major plot changes, it looks like Smith is the last Doctor?
indeed.. but i have a feeling there'll be a way out of this. ;) i have no idea how, but.. i'm sure moffat has it all figured out. :P
he gives a lot of clues, he always does, and most of them are too obvious. i have a feeling we'll see some connections with older episodes to all of this, too.. i love it. :D
naaah, I can't see them ending the Doctor. They'll get out of it somehow!
Gwaimir Windgem
04-26-2011, 11:51 PM
Probably. But at the same time, Moffat does like to have indicators of things to come. Then again, this would probably not be subtle enough for him. We shall see. :cool:
Nerdanel
04-27-2011, 09:08 AM
oh, and about amy being pregnant: she is drinking wine in the beginning of the episode.
(which might mean she just came up with the idea that she's pregnant from feeling ill now and then (which is a bit of a weak argument), or the aliens told her, or she is pregnant and allows herself to have a bit of wine. :P)
yeah, that's true (about the wine) - well, we'll see! :)
About the River Song story - her "worst day" or however she called it - she said she'll know everything about the Doctor and he'll know nothing about her - how in the world does that work? It used to be that she was in HIS future, and she knew about the relationship that they had not yet had to HIS knowledge, and that makes sense. But now they've seemed to change it around to they're like going opposite directions in the timeline (what happened to the timey-wimey ball, BTW?) and eventually he'll know nothing of her and she'll know everything about him (and it was the opposite way before). How does this work? I can see that she's in her present but his future, but I don't see how this twist works - as time goes on, you accumulate experiences - how can the Doctor end up knowing nothing about River? I know they like weird things, but this doesn't seem to hold water, although it is certainly tragic, which they also like (and which is one of the elements that make the show good).
Nerdanel
04-28-2011, 06:37 PM
yeah, that's true (about the wine) - well, we'll see! :)
About the River Song story - her "worst day" or however she called it - she said she'll know everything about the Doctor and he'll know nothing about her - how in the world does that work? It used to be that she was in HIS future, and she knew about the relationship that they had not yet had to HIS knowledge, and that makes sense. But now they've seemed to change it around to they're like going opposite directions in the timeline (what happened to the timey-wimey ball, BTW?) and eventually he'll know nothing of her and she'll know everything about him (and it was the opposite way before). How does this work? I can see that she's in her present but his future, but I don't see how this twist works - as time goes on, you accumulate experiences - how can the Doctor end up knowing nothing about River? I know they like weird things, but this doesn't seem to hold water, although it is certainly tragic, which they also like (and which is one of the elements that make the show good).
they're going opposite ways on the time line. we follow the doctor's time line: he knows more and more about river every time they meet; she knows less and less about him (because we see her earlier and earlier in her time line). we've already seen the first time the doctor meets river (and the last time river sees the doctor), when she knows everything about him (even his name) and he knows nothing about her (silence in the library).
so every time river says that the day will come when she'll meet the doctor and he'll know nothing about her - for the doctor and us, that has already happened. the first time the doctor met river, he saw her die.
does that make more sense, did i manage to explain that at all?
hmmm, I'll have to think about that a bit ...
(I'm glad people are posting here - it's so fun to talk Dr. Who with the new season coming up!)
Nerdanel
04-28-2011, 07:27 PM
hmmm, I'll have to think about that a bit ...
(I'm glad people are posting here - it's so fun to talk Dr. Who with the new season coming up!)
do that, and ask more questions if you have them! :)
in short, the doctor and river go in opposite directions on the time line. the viewers follow the doctor's time line and the first time we saw river, she died. she doesn't know about that yet, 'cause it hasn't yet happened to her (that's the timey-wimey part). the last time we see river will be the first time she meets the doctor (i presume) when he'll know everything about her and she'll know nothing about him (and she'll be a young girl then, according to what she said in the first episode of the new season).
yeah, discussing doctor who and trying to figure out what's going on is the only way to survive between episodes! ;)
Draken
04-28-2011, 10:00 PM
Yes that puts it very well. It just so happens that the Doctor met her at the end of her life and, as he gads about the time stream, keeps bumping into her further into her past from that event. I say "just happens" - there may well more to it than that.
There's still the big unknown of who she kills to merit imprisonment in the (pretty ineffective) Stormcage - most people assume the Doctor. She flagged up the danger of a paradox so maybe that's what will happen - a paradoxical parallel Doctor who must be destroyed to preserve the original... but then, the "River kills the Doctor" theory is all TOO obvious.
I'm wondering if the opening scenes - with the Doctor deliberately getting noticed in history - might be significant. The Doctor has NEVER courted recognition before. And why "wave from history" when he could just visit whenever he liked?
Gwaimir Windgem
04-28-2011, 11:17 PM
we've already seen the first time the doctor meets river (and the last time river sees the doctor), when she knows everything about him (even his name) and he knows nothing about her (silence in the library).
Yeah, I was thinking about that; as I recall, she wasn't terribly devastated, was she? Wouldn't that have been her "worst day," in Silence in the Library?
Nerdanel
04-29-2011, 04:47 AM
Yeah, I was thinking about that; as I recall, she wasn't terribly devastated, was she? Wouldn't that have been her "worst day," in Silence in the Library?
well, i watched the episodes again a couple of days ago (i'm just like that..), and her sadness makes a lot more sense now.. she's not devastated, but she clearly knows it's the first time he meets her, and for a short time she desperately tries to tell him he has to have met her before. but she seems to accept it quite quickly, and at the end, she sacrifices herself.
it's actually quite nice to watch those episodes again, now that we know river a bit better, and know what's happening. that first time it was just like 'who the hell is she'...
Nerdanel
04-29-2011, 04:49 AM
Yes that puts it very well. It just so happens that the Doctor met her at the end of her life and, as he gads about the time stream, keeps bumping into her further into her past from that event. I say "just happens" - there may well more to it than that.
There's still the big unknown of who she kills to merit imprisonment in the (pretty ineffective) Stormcage - most people assume the Doctor. She flagged up the danger of a paradox so maybe that's what will happen - a paradoxical parallel Doctor who must be destroyed to preserve the original... but then, the "River kills the Doctor" theory is all TOO obvious.
I'm wondering if the opening scenes - with the Doctor deliberately getting noticed in history - might be significant. The Doctor has NEVER courted recognition before. And why "wave from history" when he could just visit whenever he liked?
yeah, it seems to obvious that it's river who kills the doctor.. at the same time, it's a bit tempting to think it is: after all, she keeps amy from interrupting when the astronaut shoots the doctor, and for some reason she says 'of course not' when she tries shooting the astronaut.. but then again, why would she try shooting herself (since it clearly has to be in her past, if that killing is what she's imprisoned for).
no, it's too obvious. she must've killed someone else.. but who?
Nerdanel
04-30-2011, 01:57 PM
AWESOME episode!!! 8D
so much left unsaid, so much confusion.. who is the time child? is amy her own mother, is the child amy? is it river? someone completely different?
and poor river.. the last time she got to kiss the doctor. :/
mithrand1r
05-01-2011, 08:19 PM
AWESOME episode!!! 8D
so much left unsaid, so much confusion.. who is the time child? is amy her own mother, is the child amy? is it river? someone completely different?
and poor river.. the last time she got to kiss the doctor. :/
Who shoots the doctor at beginning of 2 part episode?
Amy seemed to die in a similar way as in "Silence in the Library" (only an echo of herself left)
Who is the little girl? Is she related to anyone of the main characters?
Who sent the invites? Is it definitely the Doctor? (The Doctor is probable, but it could be someone else)
What do the aliens want on the moon or with the space suits?
Interesting episode. The aliens were creepy enough. Seems as if there are several races (Human, Sea Devils, Silurian) on this planet. Each with their own claim to the planet.
Nerdanel
05-02-2011, 04:54 AM
Who shoots the doctor at beginning of 2 part episode?
Amy seemed to die in a similar way as in "Silence in the Library" (only an echo of herself left)
Who is the little girl? Is she related to anyone of the main characters?
Who sent the invites? Is it definitely the Doctor? (The Doctor is probable, but it could be someone else)
What do the aliens want on the moon or with the space suits?
Interesting episode. The aliens were creepy enough. Seems as if there are several races (Human, Sea Devils, Silurian) on this planet. Each with their own claim to the planet.
there are so, so many small similarities between these episodes and the library episodes.. i don't know if we're just being tricked to believe that, but there are certainly a lot of hints. for instance, these episodes have been, to some extent, about humans going to the moon; in silence in the library, there's doctor moon. there are space suits, it's the last time river meets the doctor, there's the echoing death you were talking about, etc...
the question about who sent the invites is indeed interesting.. and why did the doctor try to attract attention to himself through history (as shown in the very first minutes of the first episode), if he could just send them all a letter at the end of it?
we've speculated so much about who the girl might be, and it just feels crazy.. :D and amy seems to be half-pregnant somehow; is she not pregnant yet, but her offspring is walking the earth? is it even amy's kid, or was she just a host?
it might be that the aliens don't have any interest in the moon, they just wanted a space suit, so they made the humans make one. and i guess to rationalize it, the humans made a space program, which took them to the moon. why they needed a space suit, though, that's the question..
and it was brilliant with the silent telling everyone to kill them.. ;) isn't there actually a glitch in the recording of armstrong's first words on the moon right around there?
i have a feeling we won't see this time girl for the next few episodes.. maybe for the mid-season finale in june. we'll see...
I think Amy's pregnant with Dr. Who .... :eek: he gets reborn that way instead of regenerating.
No, wait, though - there was that pic with Amy with a baby among the other pictures of the girl ... maybe Amy was pregnant with Rory's kid, but the Tardis affected the baby, as she said?
Anyway, it seems pretty clear that the little girl is of Time Lord stock, because of the regeneration. But poor thing has been killed before, as she's familiar with regeneration! :(
Another burning question - who makes the suits for the aliens? and did they get a group discount? ;)
And in the nitpicky category - what happens to the alien bodies when the Earthlings kill them? Are we constantly stepping over them and forgetting it? ;) Or do they conveniently evaporate?
But seriously - pretty clever how the suggestion was used against the aliens and put on the moon walk video!
well, i watched the episodes again a couple of days ago
Yeah, I did too - they were good episodes on their own, but even more enjoyable with all this new info.
Nerdanel
05-02-2011, 02:03 PM
oh, geekery..
i went and got the master's fob watch from the geek shop in town (norwich). i love that shop (and i usually strongly dislike shops). :D
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/515%2BzexPBeL.jpg
Earniel
05-02-2011, 06:02 PM
It is a very nice watch. I've always thought it was a loss that that sort of pocket watch has gone out of fashion.
Nerdanel
05-02-2011, 06:38 PM
It is a very nice watch. I've always thought it was a loss that that sort of pocket watch has gone out of fashion.
indeed.. i haven't worn a watch in a long time, but i'm growing to like these pocket watches (my partner has a couple). :)
Gwaimir Windgem
05-03-2011, 01:25 AM
I've been out of town this weekend, so I haven't seen the newest, therefore NOT READING NOT READING NOT READING! ><
Gwaimir Windgem
05-03-2011, 02:59 PM
I think Amy's pregnant with Dr. Who .... :eek: he gets reborn that way instead of regenerating.
And he gets reborn as a girl! Who's for the six-year-old-girl-Doctor hypothesis? :D
So, either
a) we have some Doctamy hanky panky.
b) Amy gets preggers with Doctor.
c) Maybe the Doctor just regenerates this way?
OR, is this possibly Jenny?
Still, how is the whole Eleventh-Doctor-getting-killed-thing resolved? Or is this not yet clear?
And in the nitpicky category - what happens to the alien bodies when the Earthlings kill them? Are we constantly stepping over them and forgetting it? ;) Or do they conveniently evaporate?
I wondered that, too.
and poor river.. the last time she got to kiss the doctor. :/
I know!!! Her face just killed me!!!
Nerdanel
05-03-2011, 07:42 PM
hehe, it's a fun hypothesis, but i don't think i can say i'm for it. ;) although i have been waiting for the doctor to regenerate into a female..
Draken
05-04-2011, 08:13 AM
So did the Silence destroy the Tardis in revenge? If so, how? If the Silence have spent all of time since 1969 fleeing an ever-expanding, unwittingly-genocidal human race, have they been forced to spread to other worlds? Did they use their post-hypnotically suggestive ways to put together that unlikely Pandorica-building alliance? Just why did they want to get hold of a spacesuit and (assuming it was their doing) strap a little girl in it while giving her the means to call for help? She seemed more significant to them than mere bait.
What did they mean by telling Amy that she will "bring the Silence?". As they had her in the same vessel that was in The Lodger, and that we were told then was a sort-of-TARDIS, presumably they can travel in time - which would explain why they claimed to have had her there for "many days". The woman at the orphanage looking through a non-existent hatch and pronouncing "she's only dreaming" - what was THAT about?
As for the positive/negative pregnancy scan - I wonder if that means that Amy being pregnant is one of those turning points in time, one that hasn't been resolved yet?
And a full-blown Timelord-style regeneration from the little girl to finish with! Not Jenny's "a little cough of energy and look I'm better" - a proper one.
What makes speculation so difficult is that Moffat understands the blogiverse and fandom in general. He know how our minds work and that's helping him generate more questions than answers with every episode, damn him.
As for the episode itself - loved it. The opening sequence was audacious in its misdirection, Canton was great, poor deranged Renfrew was great (the orphange sequence was straight out of Call of Cthulhu), the solution was fabulously inventive.
As for dead Silence putrefaction - our minds edit out all information about them, remember - so I'm guessing that would include odours etc too!
The woman at the orphanage looking through a non-existent hatch and pronouncing "she's only dreaming" - what was THAT about? Yeah, that was REALLLY weird!!
As for dead Silence putrefaction - our minds edit out all information about them, remember - so I'm guessing that would include odours etc too!Maybe that's why we evolved walking - we're actually lifting our feet to step over those dead bodies until they're eaten by Vashta Nerada! ;)
Gwaimir Windgem
05-04-2011, 01:16 PM
poor deranged Renfrew was great (the orphange sequence was straight out of Call of Cthulhu)
Totally.
Yes!!
Dr Who alert - I was watching a 1996 movie called "Jude" because I saw Christopher Eccleston was in it (it's fun to watch the Doctors in other roles), and after about 40 minutes, there's a scene in a pub, and guess who pops up to talk to him? David Tennant!
Nerdanel
05-06-2011, 04:51 AM
Yes!!
Dr Who alert - I was watching a 1996 movie called "Jude" because I saw Christopher Eccleston was in it (it's fun to watch the Doctors in other roles), and after about 40 minutes, there's a scene in a pub, and guess who pops up to talk to him? David Tennant!
haha, i saw that as well.. it was an awesome moment. :D
BeardofPants
05-06-2011, 06:19 AM
River Song = the Astronaut (aka Amy's kid)?
Nerdanel
05-06-2011, 09:22 AM
River Song = the Astronaut (aka Amy's kid)?
perhaps. it seems like it's too obvious, though.. and moffat doesn't seem to like obvious. ;)
haha, i saw that as well.. it was an awesome moment. :DAnd Tennant was so Doctor Who there, too! :D So crazy-energy like!
Anyone see anyone else from the Whoniverse in movies/on tv? Anyone ever seen Rose? I think I've seen Catherine Tate once on some other program., but can't remember what it was. But seeing TWO doctors like that so totally unexpectedly was sure fun :heart:
I rewatched some Torchwood t'other day - the one about Adam, the memory guy - kind of similar to the current memory aliens. That was an interesting concept, too.
Nerdanel
05-06-2011, 11:14 AM
Anyone see anyone else from the Whoniverse in movies/on tv? Anyone ever seen Rose? I think I've seen Catherine Tate once on some other program., but can't remember what it was. But seeing TWO doctors like that so totally unexpectedly was sure fun :heart:
i've seen john simm (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Simm) (the master) in several shows, of which life on mars (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_on_Mars_%28TV_series%29) is my favourite. great, great show, and simm is a very good actor.
i saw christopher eccleston (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Eccleston) in 28 days later (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/28_Days_Later), and was horrified that the doctor could be so evil. :P
i've seen david tennant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_tennant) in quite a few shows/movies.. seeing him in casanova (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casanova_%282005_TV_serial%29) was hilarious and weird, in einstein and eddington (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einstein_and_Eddington) he played eddington with andy serkis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Serkis) as einstein and did a really good job, he was the only one that made the quatermass experiment (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Quatermass_Experiment_%282005%29) watchable, and i have the dvd but yet haven't seen him in hamlet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamlet_%282009_television_film%29).
it's always weird to see them in other roles, but most of them are good enough actors that you forget about it after a while.. ;)
i have the dvd but yet haven't seen him in hamlet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamlet_%282009_television_film%29).
Hamlet is bloody marvellous!
BeardofPants
05-06-2011, 10:28 PM
perhaps. it seems like it's too obvious, though.. and moffat doesn't seem to like obvious. ;)
I thought so at first too, but didn't she mention that she met him as a young girl? Or am I mis-remembering? I *am* torn by the whole --it seems obvious-- and how neatly it fits. The astro- girl appears to kill him, and River is obvi in prison for something bad... and then there's the whole weird bit with the tardis glittery yellow stuff coming out of both the doctor and the girl. What the hell? My brain hurts. :glance:
Gwaimir Windgem
05-06-2011, 10:39 PM
I think I've seen Catherine Tate once on some other program, but can't remember what it was.
I'm guessing the Catherine Tate Show, featuring (among others) the magnificent Nan Taylor. ;)
mithrand1r
05-07-2011, 01:36 AM
i've seen john simm (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Simm) (the master) in several shows, of which life on mars (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_on_Mars_%28TV_series%29) is my favourite. great, great show, and simm is a very good actor.
i saw christopher eccleston (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Eccleston) in 28 days later (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/28_Days_Later), and was horrified that the doctor could be so evil. :P
i've seen david tennant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_tennant) in quite a few shows/movies.. seeing him in casanova (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casanova_%282005_TV_serial%29) was hilarious and weird, in einstein and eddington (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einstein_and_Eddington) he played eddington with andy serkis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Serkis) as einstein and did a really good job, he was the only one that made the quatermass experiment (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Quatermass_Experiment_%282005%29) watchable, and i have the dvd but yet haven't seen him in hamlet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamlet_%282009_television_film%29).
it's always weird to see them in other roles, but most of them are good enough actors that you forget about it after a while.. ;)
I usually enjoy seeing famous actors in other roles. The only Doctors I have seen in other roles were:
Tom Baker in
The Golden Voyage of Sinbad (1974) (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0071569/)
The Silver Chair (TV Series 1990) (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0098912/)
Peter Davison in
The Hitch Hikers Guide to the Galaxy (TV mini-series 1981) (http://www.imdb.com/video/hulu/vi2793773081/)
All Creatures Great and Small (TV Series 1978–1990) (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0075472/)
David Prowse (Darth Vader) was also in "The Hitch Hikers Guide"
Draken
05-07-2011, 04:55 PM
Catherine Tate was in the Catherine Tate show? You get all the difficult ones, Gwai! ;)
Peter Davison was also in A Very Peculiar Practice which was quite good, and The Last Detective, which I never watched.
Rian, they filmed a lot of Jude here at Durham. I often cross the bridge where he had a scene with Kate Winslet.
John Simms has just starred in Exile. Both he and it were marvellous. And you're right, Nerdanel, Life On Mars was just about the best thing ever.
Gwaimir Windgem
05-07-2011, 05:23 PM
Catherine Tate was in the Catherine Tate show? You get all the difficult ones, Gwai! ;)
Thank you, thank you, I'm here all week. :thumb:
Earniel
05-07-2011, 05:26 PM
Anyone see anyone else from the Whoniverse in movies/on tv?
I once saw a younger Catherine Tate in an Agatha Christie movie as a paranoid russian housemaid. Rubbish russian accent, was rather hilarious.
mithrand1r
05-07-2011, 11:31 PM
Anyone see anyone else from the Whoniverse in movies/on tv?
Martha is on the UK Law and Order. Not bad show, but they are rerunning many episodes from the original L&O (polished up for UK locale).
I'm guessing the Catherine Tate Show, featuring (among others) the magnificent Nan Taylor. ;)Goofball!
I think I would have figured that one out :rolleyes: ;)
Rian, they filmed a lot of Jude here at Durham. I often cross the bridge where he had a scene with Kate Winslet. Oh, that's always fun to recognize things like that!
I once saw a younger Catherine Tate in an Agatha Christie movie as a paranoid russian housemaid. Rubbish russian accent, was rather hilarious.Oh yeah - that was IT!!!!!! THAT'S where I saw her!! Yay! I would have never remembered that!!
Just saw the mermaid one - it just wasn't the greatest. Good start, good premise, but ... just not spot on. It was a writer that I didn't recognize, either, although I think the director was the same from last week. Anyway ... eh ...
mithrand1r
05-08-2011, 03:21 PM
Just saw the mermaid one - it just wasn't the greatest. Good start, good premise, but ... just not spot on. It was a writer that I didn't recognize, either, although I think the director was the same from last week. Anyway ... eh ...
I agree that the premise was good. I liked that the Doctor was not always correct. Good that he was willing to change his theories when presented with new data and admit to others that he was wrong. The "mermaid" seemed a bit odd to me. I am not sure how, but I would like it to be done better. I would have liked more information about why the Captain became a pirate.
I think that sometimes with the new DW 1 episode (~44 minutes) is not quite enough time to fully develop some episodes. The pacing of the episodes sometimes appear a bit rushed. One nice thing with the original DW is that the 4 episode format (~90minutes) usually provided enough time for most episodes to be well developed and not seem rushed for time.
On the plus side, the New DW tend to have streamlined plots without unneeded extra material. It is a balancing act. If the writing/acting is well done, I do not mind longer episodes with more detail/extra information.
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From Episode 3 (07MAY2011) I am curious:
who the lady with the eye patch was in the episode? She opened a small door to view Amy. I am not sure if it was "real" or Amy dreaming.
Why the Doctor is checking if Amy is pregnant on his scanner and what does it mean?
Gwaimir Windgem
05-09-2011, 12:52 AM
I really liked it. Not up to Moffat snuff, certainly, but as noted, a great premise, and I thought it was engaging and well-paced, with some great lines.
Draken
05-09-2011, 06:28 AM
I quite enjoyed it - a bit of an anticlimax after the opening 2-parter but to be honest there's no way you could sustain that. I have a feeling even these more "run-of-the-mill" episodes will end up resonating more once we see how Moffat ties the series up.
Maybe I'm reading too much into this - but did the Doctor see a lot of himself in a Captain who took a ship and went rogue, leaving those he loved behind? And did the objects-from-two-universes-occupying-the-same-spacetime offer a clue to Amy's pregancy/non-pregnancy?
And did the objects-from-two-universes-occupying-the-same-spacetime offer a clue to Amy's pregancy/non-pregnancy?That's a good point!
Nerdanel
05-10-2011, 05:58 AM
i just watched the latest episode last night.. can't say i liked it very much. maybe it's just because the first 2 episodes were so awesome, and that i'm not a huge fan of pirate stories. and i think the actor who played the siren/doctor also was in the vampire episode..
and did they just lose a character, or am i forgetful? during the scene where amy, rory, the boy and 2 of the pirates are hiding in the gunpowder room, and the boy gives one of the pirates a cut, the unhurt one runs out (and eventually is taken by the siren). the other pirate stays in the room with them, right, and nothing happens to him? and then we don't see him anymore.
i must be forgetting something, or they just forgot about a character, which seems quite unlikely.
i think i also wasn't a huge fan of the episode since it was quite predictable.. many times we figured out what would happen way ahead of time.
i do wonder, though, if the fact that the tardis behaved weirdly is something that will come up later..
and the woman behind the little door makes me think that amy is in a prison/mental hospital or something.. the woman is looking in at her, and she seems to be comforting her. does this have something to do with amy's pregnancy?
it's nice, though, now both amy and the doctor have something they're trying to hide from each other..
Draken
05-10-2011, 08:10 AM
i'm not a huge fan of pirate stories.
Ah yes but Amy dressed as a pirate.... now you're talking!;)
and did they just lose a character, or am i forgetful? during the scene where amy, rory, the boy and 2 of the pirates are hiding in the gunpowder room, and the boy gives one of the pirates a cut, the unhurt one runs out (and eventually is taken by the siren). the other pirate stays in the room with them, right, and nothing happens to him? and then we don't see him anymore.
i must be forgetting something, or they just forgot about a character, which seems quite unlikely. I'll check for that in my rewatch - my middle son is my Dr. Who pal, and I usually get to watch it first (we record it) and then I rewatch it with him because we like watching it together :) Gotta say - I LOVE LOVE LOVE DVRs!!! No more pulling my mommy hair out when child catastrophes hit in the middle of Dr. Who! :D
and the woman behind the little door makes me think that amy is in a prison/mental hospital or something.. the woman is looking in at her, and she seems to be comforting her. does this have something to do with amy's pregnancy? Hmm, yeah - that double universe thing is definitely tying things in here. Hey, maybe they'll bump into Rose! :eek:
Gwaimir Windgem
05-10-2011, 11:16 AM
I'll check for that in my rewatch - my middle son is my Dr. Who pal, and I usually get to watch it first (we record it) and then I rewatch it with him because we like watching it together :) Gotta say - I LOVE LOVE LOVE DVRs!!! No more pulling my mommy hair out when child catastrophes hit in the middle of Dr. Who! :D
Hmm, yeah - that double universe thing is definitely tying things in here. Hey, maybe they'll bump into Rose! :eek:
Or number 10! There's still a copy of him floating around with her, right?
Yes, but it's a copy with only one heart (Time Lords have two hearts, for the uninitiated)- it's not an official Time Lord. It's a human version that will age and die with Rose.
Draken
05-14-2011, 05:42 PM
Any thoughts on The Doctor's Wife episode yet? I thought it was very good and really quite sad.
Nerdanel
05-16-2011, 07:56 AM
awesome, and very neil gaiman-esque. :D it was also quite sad, but then again, not too much so - after all, now they got the chance to learn more about each other, and i really liked the fact that the tardis said that "she" chose him. the tardis has always had a lot of character to me, but this gave it even more so.
at one point i thought river was the tardis - maybe she isn't, but the tardis mentioning her sort of makes me think that river will have something to do with it..
it's also interesting that these 2 last episodes have both been about some kinds of parallel universes or something similar.. maybe it's just a coincidence, maybe it's a theme. i guess we'll see. :D
mithrand1r
05-16-2011, 12:50 PM
Any thoughts on The Doctor's Wife episode yet? I thought it was very good and really quite sad.
Interesting episode.
It was weird on the tardis with Amy & Rory and the time differences when they were separated from each other.
The "house" was an interesting entity. I wonder how it arrived out of the universe and its history.
. . .i really liked the fact that the tardis said that "she" chose him. the tardis has always had a lot of character to me, but this gave it even more so.
I thought it was a nice touch as well. Implying that they were made for each other. It does imply self-awareness and that the tardis is more than a machine.
I am not sure if I like the tardis as an actual "person". I have always considered the Tardis to be a machine that enables the TimeLords to travel through space and time. If it is a one time event, it is easier to endure, but I think they (the producers) need to be careful what they change and/or intruduce to the show.
Even though it is sci/fi, I do not think you want to make changes that make the show too unbelievable (For lack of a better word, since this is just a story and not real.) The sonic screwdriver (ss) is one example for me. It seems that that ss can do more and more things as the show moves on forward.
Draken
05-16-2011, 04:13 PM
To be fair, it has been implied plenty of times that the TARDIS has a "soul", is "alive" and has a "mind of its own". The theory that it's the TARDIS who decides where the Doctor goes next has been knocking around for years.
Endure, though? I think it was great: it's quite something to write a story that makes you look anew at very familiar aspects of the programme. Wouldn't want it to happen every week, no, but I think we can allow them once every 50-ish years! Especially in an episode with this standard of writing and acting (Suranne Jones was superb, I thought).
As for the sonic screwdriver - it's constantly being tinkered with and updated every Doctor or so. I'd be inclined to allow some "spec creep" so long as it doesn't get silly. I heard somewhere that K9 was eventually written out because it was becoming too easy to rely on its technology to get the Doctor and Co out of a fix.
mithrand1r
05-16-2011, 07:29 PM
To be fair, it has been implied plenty of times that the TARDIS has a "soul", is "alive" and has a "mind of its own". The theory that it's the TARDIS who decides where the Doctor goes next has been knocking around for years.
Endure, though? I think it was great: it's quite something to write a story that makes you look anew at very familiar aspects of the programme. Wouldn't want it to happen every week, no, but I think we can allow them once every 50-ish years! Especially in an episode with this standard of writing and acting (Suranne Jones was superb, I thought).
As for the sonic screwdriver - it's constantly being tinkered with and updated every Doctor or so. I'd be inclined to allow some "spec creep" so long as it doesn't get silly. I heard somewhere that K9 was eventually written out because it was becoming too easy to rely on its technology to get the Doctor and Co out of a fix.
Perhaps endure is a bit strong. I guess I am somehow trying to say that if it is not played up or shown more than once in a while it is easier for me to accept. ~50 years seems fine to me. :)
To be fair, it has been implied plenty of times that the TARDIS has a "soul", is "alive" and has a "mind of its own".
I have sometimes thought that my computer or car has a mind of its own. It does not mean that it actually does.
If the tardis is truly sentient:
Is it a species and where do they come from?
Where they all destroyed in the time war?
Do they possess a tardis when it is completed?
Are they similar to people (good,bad, and all shades in between)
. . . so long as it doesn't get silly.
I'll agree with the sonic screwdriver.
Reagarding K9: that seems to be a reasonable explaination.
Gwaimir Windgem
05-16-2011, 10:43 PM
"Did you wish really, really hard?" :D
Earniel
05-17-2011, 05:51 AM
If the tardis is truly sentient:
Is it a species and where do they come from?
Where they all destroyed in the time war?
Do they possess a tardis when it is completed?
Are they similar to people (good,bad, and all shades in between)
The Tardis does seem to be able to make decisions on its own. For instance, the Doctor said the Tardis had been 'scared' of Jack so that it fled as far as it could, to the end of the universe in Utopia. In a cross-over to the Sarah Jane Adventures, The Wedding of Sarah Jane Smith, the Tardis actively tries to break through a time-blokkade to get to the Doctor who's trapped in time. That implies some intelligence, but it doesn't mean it has to be alive and part of a species. I had thought the Doctor had built the Tardis, so I've always considered the Tardis an AI.
Draken
05-17-2011, 08:09 AM
I'm assured by hard-core Whovians that the First Doctor explicity said that the TARDIS was sentient.
In a fairly recent episide (Impossible Planet I think? Not sure), the Doctor said it had been "grown" rather than built.
Draken
05-17-2011, 08:11 AM
"Did you wish really, really hard?" :D
SO damn funnny that - great line, and a perfectly Amy-ish one too.
mithrand1r
05-17-2011, 11:49 AM
I'm assured by hard-core Whovians that the First Doctor explicity said that the TARDIS was sentient.
In a fairly recent episide (Impossible Planet I think? Not sure), the Doctor said it had been "grown" rather than built.
It has been a while since I have seen any of the Hartnell episodes. Too bad they are not played on air. It is a shame that many episodes of the older Doctor Who (primarily #1) have been lost to history.
That implies some intelligence, but it doesn't mean it has to be alive and part of a species. I had thought the Doctor had built the Tardis, so I've always considered the Tardis an AI.
Interesting point. A good AI seems more likely. I would think that the tardis' AI to be better than K9.
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Let's do this. *Cracks knuckles*
How can you be outside of the universe?
Our universe is a bubble, and theirs is a smaller bubble sittisg on the outside of that bubble. The idea of there being multiple universes made of different bubbles is one that is being considered in astrophysics, but the "bubble on a bubble" thing is not.
Why is the planet sentient?
Remember that ep when all of britian was on a space whale? Same thing.
Ehh does it only eat Tardis's?
It doesn't eat tardises, it eats time lords, who are the only ones who have working tardis to travel outside the universe with.
How does it put the Tardis's "soul" in a humanoid body?
Take a normal person, empty the original soul so it's just a shell, fill it with the tardis soul.
Where did it get the body parts?
From old time lords they lurned outside the universe, just like they lured the doctor.
If the TimeLords made Tardis's why did they make them sentient?
Just by putting a time vortex in the tardis, it became sentient.
How did the Doctor build a new functioning Tardis in less than an hour with just a sonic screwdriver?
Partially because he's the doctor, but also because he had a living tardis with him who could tell him exactly how she was built.
Nerdanel
05-18-2011, 06:50 AM
guys, guys, guys.. what does this remind you of?
http://digitalheartbeats.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Edvard_Munch-463px-The_Scream1.jpeg
i just happened to see it on the wall.. do you think there might be something to it? 8)
Draken
05-18-2011, 08:26 AM
guys, guys, guys.. what does this remind you of?
http://digitalheartbeats.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Edvard_Munch-463px-The_Scream1.jpeg
i just happened to see it on the wall.. do you think there might be something to it? 8)
Oh I rather think so... but then, I had seen this...
http://www.tvscoop.tv/2011/04/doctor-whos-the-silence-monster-based-on-the-scream.html
Nerdanel
05-18-2011, 08:54 AM
hehe.. oh well, i guess my idea wasn't that novel, then.. X) but it was fun to notice, and a very clever way to do it - letting the doctor who universe seep into ours. ;)
Draken
05-19-2011, 07:53 AM
Time travel possible within the next year or so.
Maybe. Sort of. Perhaps.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/the-big-question-is-time-travel-possible-and-is-there-any-chance-that-it-will-ever-take-place-779761.html
Either way, gotta love the graphic!
mithrand1r
05-22-2011, 09:15 AM
This episode was interesting and somewhat creepy at the same time.
I enjoyed the pacing and thought the episode was better than The Doctor's wife.
Having and exact doppelganger with all of your memories and abilities can be disconcerting. This is especially true if your doppelganger decides there can only be one of you around.
It seems that these doppelgangers were treated only as machines that can be disposed at a whim. This can be difficult since they are so exactly alike their originals, it is very difficult to distinguish the copy from the original.
What does it mean to be human? (This question has been explored by many science fiction writers over the years.)
I am curious to see what will happen in two weeks as this episode is resolved.
The lady with the eye patch appears again. Who is she and what does she bode for Amy and the others?
I thought is was funny to hear Rory agree with Jen about how lucky Amy was to have him.
I did not expect to see dead person come back in the beginning. Nice way to introduce me to the doppelgangers.
I did not expect to see the doppelganger Doctor. I wonder what he will do.
Another interesting episode ... very queer right off as they're joking about the guy falling into acid - "can't pull you out now, especially as there's only an upper half now!" or something like that :eek: Kind of like disposable, pain-free copies of yourself around so you don't have to worry about messing up.
Now at the beginning, from what I could tell, the "real" person had to be strapped into the thingy and then they basically controlled the ganger, right? And was it like Frankenstein's monster, where that big electrical surge made the gangers "alive"?
Anyway, interesting again, especially with a second Doctor! And they're making us wait 2 weeks!!! *pout*
ps - I loved the Doctor's Wife episode - I thought that lady did a brilliant job of being the Tardis. I loved how from her POV, she very definitely chose him! And I loved how when he complained that she wasn't always reliable, that she countered with that she always took him where he needed to be.
Loads of funny moments and dialogue (I loved the "which one is Amy? The pretty one?" and then she chooses Rory! :D ) The dialogue was so fast that I re-watched it with captioning! :D and learned a new phrase - at the beginning, when the Doctor was trying to go faster and was deleting rooms, he said he was doing it to "give us some welly" or something like that - nice phrase! (I googled it) Do you Brits still use it?
And I agree - the House thing was suitably weird and creepy and novel, and the whole hide-and-seek thing really uncanny. I loved seeing Tennant's control room again :) and I thought the whole passkey thing was clever (you had to THINK about crimson, 11, delight and petrichor).
And how cool was that - I mean, how did they even come across that word?! petrichor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrichor)
Nerdanel
05-24-2011, 12:14 PM
i quite liked the last episode. :) i saw some things coming before they happened, but it was still good. so far, the only episode i haven't really liked is the pirate one. but i think i might be alone in that. :P
it seems like the doctor knows a lot more about the flesh than he's been telling anyone.. and was rory finally just being himself and taking a stand or is there something weird going on with him and jen?
it's incredible how many loose ends they've left hanging.. seems like that's what this first half of the season is about, major unresolved things; for instance, the death of the doctor, amy's weird pregnancy, the story of the silence, the time-child, and now, a second doctor.. all of this in 5 episodes, and nothing has been resolved. oh, and of course the eternal question: who is river?
seems like many of these things can be linked together in different ways, but we see what's actually going on when they let us see it. :P of course, speculation is always fun..
mithrand1r
05-24-2011, 05:15 PM
it seems like the doctor knows a lot more about the flesh than he's been telling anyone.. and was rory finally just being himself and taking a stand or is there something weird going on with him and jen?
it's incredible how many loose ends they've left hanging.. seems like that's what this first half of the season is about, major unresolved things; for instance, the death of the doctor, amy's weird pregnancy, the story of the silence, the time-child, and now, a second doctor.. all of this in 5 episodes, and nothing has been resolved. oh, and of course the eternal question: who is river?
seems like many of these things can be linked together in different ways, but we see what's actually going on when they let us see it. :P of course, speculation is always fun..
I think Rory is just taking a stand. He has empathy for Jen's plight.
River is an enigma until we have more information.
“The temptation to form premature theories upon insufficient data is the bane of our profession.” - Sherlock Holmes
I agree that it can be fun to speculate.
so far, the only episode i haven't really liked is the pirate one. but i think i might be alone in that. :P You're not alone, matey - arrr! It had some good parts, but overall, it should walk the plank! ;)
Gwaimir Windgem
05-25-2011, 01:23 AM
Yay for Rory developing a spine!
Hey, speaking of spines, didn't Uncle get that Timelord's spine? (Auntie got his arm, Uncle got the spine and kidney, IIRC)
(EDIT - the Timelord is "the Corsair")
Anyway, I found this (http://www.sylvestermccoy.com/newdoctorwho/) site that has some upcoming episode summaries (possible spoilers). So far, it's accurate - if it keeps being accurate, we'll find out who River is the episode after the next episode ...
Nerdanel
05-25-2011, 04:44 AM
i usually like getting as little information as possible about the upcoming episodes, although i, of course, like to speculate.. ;)
oh, and you mentioned earlier that we'll have to wait 2 weeks for the next episode - at least on the doctor who website they say the next episode is on saturday the 28th of may...
Ours isn't - here in the US, it's June 4th :( (or at least in Arizona - I think last year, they were getting them a week earlier in some parts of the US)
So far I'm really not impressed by this season. So much predictableness or totally odd things happening. I just want a fun, stand alone episode without a dozen new open questions at the end. If it continues like this, I think I might call it a quits.
I would also like for Amy to wear long jeans instead of those 3-quarter ones :p
But the ending of this last episode (ep 6)... really? I mean, come on, really?!?
mithrand1r
05-29-2011, 11:19 PM
So far I'm really not impressed by this season. So much predictableness or totally odd things happening. I just want a fun, stand alone episode without a dozen new open questions at the end. If it continues like this, I think I might call it a quits.
I would also like for Amy to wear long jeans instead of those 3-quarter ones :p
But the ending of this last episode (ep 6)... really? I mean, come on, really?!?
I too prefer episodes that are more stand alone-ish. Except for the two part episodes, I think that each can be viewed as a stand alone episode. Compared against old DW, new DW does seem to have more dangling questions that take several episodes for an answer to appear. This can work if there is good planning and preparation before the season begins.
I will need to wait till next week (04JUN2011) to see ep 6.
In USA, BBCA ran a Doctor Who marathon (of reruns) on Saturday May 28.
Gwaimir Windgem
05-30-2011, 09:32 PM
Just saw the last episode.
What. The. Hell.
So, so confused! How did Amy become Flesh? How did Doctor get her preggers with baby-Flesh? How is real-Amy pregnant? How long has Amy been Flesh? And WHERE THE HELL IS SHE?
I do have some theories on most of those questions, but I'd best not till after next week or so.
(I can't believe you guys can wait that long while you know you can just download the version broadcast in the UK!)
Nerdanel
06-01-2011, 01:31 PM
i also have some theories.. and i think it was brilliant. :P i quite like the continuity of the series; sometimes the stand-alone episodes are really good, sometimes they're really bad. but i like that there are themes that are running through and between seasons, that they build up for a long time, and that you can catch hints of every now and then.
gw:
the switching of amy's pregnancy when the doctor scans her suggests to me that flesh-amy was never pregnant, and that the signal came from the connection between flesh-amy and non-flesh-amy. and it seems flesh-amy's been around for quite a while (at least from the beginning of this season).
it might be that someone (the silence?) somehow managed to get amy pregnant with a timebaby to use it (the little girl, amy's kid) for their own cause. clearly someone wants amy's kid for something, and it seems they got her pregnant, somehow. i'm not going to go in on how that all could happen, since that would be pure speculation. :P
mithrand1r
06-05-2011, 12:04 AM
Just saw the last episode.
What. The. Hell.
So, so confused! How did Amy become Flesh? How did Doctor get her preggers with baby-Flesh? How is real-Amy pregnant? How long has Amy been Flesh? And WHERE THE HELL IS SHE?
I agree that this episode was confusing, especially at the end.
Real Jen's death was disappointing.
I think I would need more time to fully comprehend what is going on with this episode.
Interesting Q: What does it mean to be truly human?
Just as an interesting aside - I've discovered a great tool for the Americans watching Dr. Who - closed captioning! I mean, I've been a huge fan of British literature and language for years and years, and am constantly explaining things to my family, but in the Doctor's Wife episode, they were just speaking so quickly that I was missing what they were saying, so I put on closed captioning (and I already have DVR, so I can pause and rewind) and it was great! I watched it first without the captioning, then went back and watched it with the captioning and picked up everything I missed, and learned a new expression ("give us some welly!")
Anyway, I'm doing it now with the Ganger episodes, and it's well worth-while - I even caught a use of "poncy", one of my favorite words, which I totally missed before. And until CC, I missed the bit about the ganger thing happening on that other island, and that was a good bit of info.
Anyway, I highly recommend it, esp. for the non-Brits :)
ps - just found another thing - when the Ganger Doctor is having troubles stabilizing, according to CCaptioning, he says the bit about jelly babies in the fourth doctor's voice! Great stuff! When I saw it, I was able to catch it in his voice, but I would have totally missed it without CC!
feawen
06-05-2011, 03:00 PM
just watched the mid season final episode here in england. oh my lord its a good one, a lot of questions answered! ill watch till the us lot have watch before i say anymore. spoilers!
mithrand1r
06-05-2011, 09:25 PM
just watched the mid season final episode here in england. oh my lord its a good one, a lot of questions answered! ill watch till the us lot have watch before i say anymore. spoilers!
Maybe we could look at your diary while you are not looking. ;) I promise not too peek too far into the future.
Oh well. I guess I will just have to wait till next week.
One question regarding last episode: Did Amy tell the real Doctor about his apparent death?
I caught that on my rewatch with my middle son (my fellow Doctor fan) - yes, she did!
Draken
06-06-2011, 03:57 AM
just watched the mid season final episode here in england. oh my lord its a good one, a lot of questions answered! ill watch till the us lot have watch before i say anymore. spoilers!
Ack. So much to talk about....
General point, though: not sure I'm too mad about this mid-series break. Inevitably this leaves an interim finale that feels somewhat... well, interim.
Will think about it while we wait for the USA to catch up! Some wonderful new characters and a big reveal that was suitably big, that's for sure...
feawen
06-06-2011, 10:40 AM
i didnt not the river thing happening and i do have some issues with it. which if i can remember what they are for when the us catch up ill let you know about then!
mid season break? why is all i can say about that! although it is good for me since i am going away for two weeks and so will not miss any woo!
Oh rats!!! I went to watch it online, and it tells me "not available in your area"!!!! Sheesh! Does it know that my internet service is based in Arizona?!! Grrr! Anyone got any hints to get around this? I don't want to wait anymore!
Draken
06-07-2011, 03:20 AM
Yes it does Rian! I have heard that some Americans have found ways to disguise their IP address and get BBC stuff to play that way, but no idea how, sorry!
Gwaimir Windgem
06-09-2011, 06:39 PM
I just watched it. Oh. My. GAAAAAAWD!!! :eek:
Nerdanel
06-09-2011, 06:54 PM
i liked the mid-season finale... but i didn't really get that huge cliff-hanger and surprise that they talked about. sort of seems like it was the obvious thing that i guessed already at the beginning of the season.
but, i liked it a lot anyway. :) very star warsey in many ways, but still quite nicely made. now we'll have to wait for another 3 months.. >.< and what's up with the title of the next episode? XD
Gwaimir Windgem
06-09-2011, 07:57 PM
and what's up with the title of the next episode? XD
Ha! I know, I was laughing so hard at that. :p
I just watched it. Oh. My. GAAAAAAWD!!! :eek:
NO FAIR! How'd you manage that?
BeardofPants
06-10-2011, 11:07 AM
River Song = the Astronaut (aka Amy's kid)?
Did this turn out to be true?
BeardofPants
06-10-2011, 11:09 AM
Yes it does Rian! I have heard that some Americans have found ways to disguise their IP address and get BBC stuff to play that way, but no idea how, sorry!
There's a firefox extension that lets you change your IP to a british one. I got it working once back in the day, but didn't really like watching it streamed.
mithrand1r
06-12-2011, 01:39 AM
i liked the mid-season finale... but i didn't really get that huge cliff-hanger and surprise that they talked about. sort of seems like it was the obvious thing that i guessed already at the beginning of the season.
but, i liked it a lot anyway. :) very star warsey in many ways, but still quite nicely made. now we'll have to wait for another 3 months.. >.< and what's up with the title of the next episode? XD
I liked the Episode. Especially Rory against the cybermen.
I don't get the Doctor being considered a warrior. At least not a warrior in the classical sense.
The monks remind me of an old comic showing Hitler describing the perfect man (a body with no head). I found the monks creepy and odd. The electric bolts from the fingers made me think of Star Wars.
The cliff hanger was not what I expected.
Is the child in the city supposed to be River?
I expected the baby to be a copy.
Living backwards in time seems weird to me.
The baby's origin does not make much sense to me.
Well, well, well ...
It was good, but not great. And I will feel cheated if River does not also turn out to be the Doctor's wife, because of all the endearments and the kisses and things like that that were clear indicators of a relationship of MORE than just friends with Amy's kid. And it was nice to see Rory get a backbone. So did we ever find out who the eyepatch lady was?
Fun to see a lot of the classic creatures there, although I'm glad they went light on the Cyberman, and gave the Daleks a complete miss (they can get annoying). So when are the rest of the mysteries cleared up? This is kinda odd - half of a season, then a summer break, then the other half?
My favorite episode by far this year was the Tardis one - just wonderful!
mithrand1r
06-16-2011, 10:19 PM
Eye patch lady is still a mystery to me.
I am not sure if I will feel cheated, but the inference seems to be that Melody knows the Doctor better then you average bear. ;)
The break is so they could have a "new" show for the summer. I do not mind since I will usually be out during the summer time. The new show is bad in my opinion, but that will be a discussion for another thread.
Well, well, well ...
It was good, but not great. And I will feel cheated if River does not also turn out to be the Doctor's wife, because of all the endearments and the kisses and things like that that were clear indicators of a relationship of MORE than just friends with Amy's kid. And it was nice to see Rory get a backbone. So did we ever find out who the eyepatch lady was?
Fun to see a lot of the classic creatures there, although I'm glad they went light on the Cyberman, and gave the Daleks a complete miss (they can get annoying). So when are the rest of the mysteries cleared up? This is kinda odd - half of a season, then a summer break, then the other half?
My favorite episode by far this year was the Tardis one - just wonderful!
Gwaimir Windgem
06-20-2011, 12:25 AM
I just watched Midnight with my brother, and really, that just continues to be one of the best eps EVAR. :eek:
mithrand1r
06-20-2011, 10:32 AM
I just watched Midnight with my brother, and really, that just continues to be one of the best eps EVAR. :eek:
That episode was great for the suspense level. The unknown can be unnerving at times.
The copying of lines must have taken some time to get correct on screen.
Earniel
06-22-2011, 07:19 AM
Heh, I found Midnight about the poorest of the season. ;)
But then I dislike such supernatural threats without explanation. It's lazy, IMO. I remember yelling at the TV while watching 'The Birds' for having watched the entire film and then not getting an explanation for the odd behaviour at the end.
And I've tired of TV telling me how badly people react to unknown and frightening things in isolation and how quickly they turn on one another. It felt a bit clichéd. Especially since that became more the focus of the episode. The idea of the strange city they were going to see, and the movement the pilots saw outside, were left more unexplored that way.
On top of that, the Doctor seemed to be written a little less genius just for the plot. There were, I felt, a few things in Midnight that the Doctor in any other episode would have handled better but that the plot just needed him to be less in control and more out of his depth.
The copying of lines must have taken some time to get correct on screen.
They talked about that in the Doctor Who Confidential, the little making-of programmes they tack at the end of each show. I believe that at some points they had to take the voice work to the sound studio to match up just right.
That episode was great for the suspense level. The unknown can be unnerving at times.
The copying of lines must have taken some time to get correct on screen.Yes! and they must have just busted out laughing a lot when they blew it!
OMG! I want these!!!!
Tardis coffee mug (http://www.thinkgeek.com/interests/doctorwho/e5c5/) and Tardis USB port, complete with sound!l (http://www.thinkgeek.com/interests/doctorwho/9223/)
I so know what I"m asking for for Christmas!!! Probably just the USB hub, though, because it's hard to drink out of square mugs. But I could use it to hold pens ...
Gwaimir Windgem
07-09-2011, 11:21 AM
So now Torchwood is back in business.
Draken
07-25-2011, 11:38 AM
So now Torchwood is back in business.
And not matching up to Children of Earth. I thought at the time "how do you follow that?". The answer is... disappointingly.
Pink Elephants On Parade!
08-31-2011, 07:07 AM
I am also a recent convert to the Whoniverse, but in the last year have watched all of New Who, Torchwood, and SJA. I loved them all, and even watched a few seasons of Old Who. I'm an American, and have always loved fantasy, sci-fi, and time travel stories, so I feel like Doctor Who is the show I've been looking for all my life without even knowing it. I'm so glad I started watching this awesomeness.
I am not a huge fan of TW: Miracle Day, though I didn't care much for Children of Earth either. I guess I prefer the lighter feel of Doctor Who, and I feel like Torchwood tries too hard to be Dark And Edgy, and jumps the shark when it keeps trying to top itself by getting Darker And Edgier. Also Miracle Day is riddled with plot holes and inconsistencies, and the characters keep doing the stupidest things! I mean, seriously, Dr. Juarez, did you really think the evil misogynist would let you walk out and expose him after you confronted him and told him you were on to his sinister plot? Also, since when does Jack use the label "gay", or let anyone label him?
As for the recent Doctor Who episodes, I have to say I'm not a huge fan of season 6, except for episode 4, "The Doctor's Wife", which I loved. I am not loving the disjointed feel of the episodes set in America, or "A Good Man Goes To War." It's like Stephen Moffat just brainstormed a list of the most quirky, random characters he could think of and threw them all in willy-nilly. I like quirk, and a bit of random humor, but I don't like how he makes random, silly things suddenly huge plot points. Like the forest girl (who is she, even?) or "fish fingers and custard":rolleyes:. I guess the Tenth Doctor had his tea, but really? How absurd and random do we have to get? Something's wrong when the "filler"-type episodes are the only ones I like. I'm glad Moffat's so original he's bursting with ideas, but does he have to throw them all in all at once?
Nerdanel
08-31-2011, 08:59 AM
i've also been quite disappointed with season 6... i did like the 2 first episodes, though, and the doctor's wife was nice. but the rest has been pretty blah... which is especially disappointing when it comes to the mid-season finale and the newest episode, which were both extremely predictable. it also feels like i've been robbed of the development of an awesome character, and like the doctor dies in every second episode, and they just come up with new ways for him not to regenerate. it feels like this episode focused more on the look than the content, and rushed through something that could well have been an underlying theme for the rest of the season (at least). i'm quite disappointed right now, and i love doctor who. i'm almost missing russell t. davies...
EDIT: i've never been a fan of torchwood, but according to a friend whose opinions i (mostly) value when it comes to good tv series, this ongoing season of tw is actually pretty good... i'll try to have a look and see what i think, but i'm not optimistic. ;) i've seen a few episodes, and they haven't been very inspirational...
I loved the Doctor's Wife, too - really brilliant, and just had that wonderful feel to it. The other episodes I'm desperately trying to like, but it feels like they think that if it just keeps moving fast enough, and has enough tie-ins to other episodes, then it's ok.
My favorite Doctor is still Tennant (he's the first one I saw, which is probably typically a person's favorite Doctor) - he had just the right mix of crazy speed and slowness, and fun and seriousness.
Gwaimir Windgem
09-02-2011, 09:19 AM
My favorite Doctor is still Tennant (he's the first one I saw, which is probably typically a person's favorite Doctor) - he had just the right mix of crazy speed and slowness, and fun and seriousness.
I first saw Eccleston, and Tennant is far and away my favourite, though I admittedly have little exposure to Old Who.
Tennant seems to be a favorite among many people, whether or not he's their "first doctor" :D
I've watched some of the Old Doctors, and it's a little hard - you definitely have to get into the rhythm of the old-style tv shows to watch them. It's like when I've shown my kids some black-and-white movies - they just have to be prepared for a different experience. They end up liking them, but it takes some energy to "prepare" them, and even to watch them, in a sense.
BeardofPants
09-04-2011, 05:48 AM
Mine is troughton (followed closely by hartnell).
Draken
09-05-2011, 07:45 AM
I can just about remember Troutnell, though Pertwee was the one I most grew up with. However, Tom Baker gets my vote every time.
I think Christopher Ecclestone is much under-rated. Reviving DW was quite a gamble and it might not have paid off without a "proper actor" like him. I think he was quite instrumental in getting the new DW taken seriously by the critics, something that had never really happened the first time around.
David Tennant was great but I think he moved on at the right time. Very impressed with Matt Smith so far.
Anyway, quite enjoying Part Two of this series, Saturday's was back to Mr Moffatt's childhood fears theme (yes I KNOW Mark Gatiss actually wrote it). A bit too similar to "Fear Her" for my liking, but always great to see Daniel Mays in anything.
Tessar
09-05-2011, 01:30 PM
They end up liking them, but it takes some energy to "prepare" them, and even to watch them, in a sense.
Somehow I imagine you dressing your children up in little bow ties and suits to "prepare" them for Dr. Who. :D
Nah, it'd be Tennant's suit and coat, not Smith's bowtie ...
(along with their elven ears, of course! ;) )
mithrand1r
09-13-2011, 05:13 PM
Rory has to decide which Amy (1-today's Amy or 2- A 50+ yr old Amy) to save.
The Doctor could not go to Amy due to a deadly (to Time Lords) plague and Rory goes alone to try and rescue Amy and through special glasses is the Doctor's eyes and ears.
I will not spoil the ending, but I thought it was an interesting episode. I am not sure I completely follow everything, but the two Amy's were interesting. I liked how they made Amy look older to appear ~36 years older than 2011 Amy.
The episode brings new meaning to "killing someone with kindness". :)
True! I thought that was one of the best parts - how the handbot's line "This is a kindness" changed - at the beginning of the story, the "kindness" of the robots was bad, but at the end, it was indeed "good". That was very poignant, and very Dr Who.
Anyway, I think this one was much better than last week's one. Last week's show was a very interesting premise (the alien boy trying to fit in and what happens when there are problems), but very poorly developed ("Let's throw in some scary stuff that doesn't make sense!) (I mean, what was that giant eyeball in the drawer?).
Anyway, this newest one (with the handbots) was much better. Interesting choices that had to be made at the end - but that's what I like about Doctor Who - the best ones have a coherent storyline that makes sense within the Whoniverse, plus funny stuff, sad stuff, and scary stuff. Rory's line to the Doctor was esp. good - "You're making me be you!" or something along those lines - IOW, he had to make a difficult/impossible choice where there was something bad no matter what.
I loved the little Rory robot, and how Amy "disarmed" him! I think the older Amy made the right choice, although certainly difficult. I think I'd do the same thing - I'd have enough strength to say "don't let me in!" but not enough to leave if I got in.
Nerdanel
09-14-2011, 06:25 AM
i wasn't a big fan of the horror-kid story, but i knew that even before i watched it. :P i'm not a huge fan of pirate or horror stuff, so those episodes haven't really done it for me. and i agree with draken, it was quite obviously quite similar to "fear her".
i liked "the girl who waited" a lot more, though. the idea was nice, and amy's bitterness really was nice to see... i've been quite bored with amy lately, even though i really liked her in the beginning (things like blinking with one eye at a time when confronted with an angel immediately made me like her - finally someone clever!). i guess they've focused more on developing rory's character, which is very good. i like rory more and more. :) in this episode, though, some of that amy that i liked came back.
what i wasn't a great fan of, though, was that half the episode (the second half) mostly consisted of fighting in slow-motion and babbling behind a door. it felt like they had a good idea, and had to fill out the episode because they ran out of lines. the babbling behind the door i understand, that's ok - it was character development and emotional stuff, but the slow-motion fighting in a white room was just... silly.
at some point, the doctor said: "sometimes knowing your own future is what enables you to change it, especially if you're bloody-minded, contradictory and completely unpredictable." talking about amy, of course, but to me it also sounded like he might be referring to himself (since he knows he's dying)...
mithrand1r
09-15-2011, 06:21 PM
at some point, the doctor said: "sometimes knowing your own future is what enables you to change it, especially if you're bloody-minded, contradictory and completely unpredictable." talking about Amy, of course, but to me it also sounded like he might be referring to himself (since he knows he's dying)...
Nice point. Perhaps the writers are looking for a way to write their way from the silent ending.
I did not completely understand the two rooms from the two buttons.
It seemed to be similar to a teleportation device. I understood that it was some type of visiting room, but I was not sure how it worked.
I liked this episode better than (6.09 Night Terrors). That story reminded me of cuckoo birds laying their eggs in another bird's nest. Night Terrors was so-so as an episode. I do not want more episodes like it.
Draken
09-17-2011, 08:39 AM
'The Girl Who Waited' was excellent, I thought. Exploring how people respond to situations that can't happen in the real world is what science fiction is all about, for me. Loved the look of the episode (the reception lounge really reminded me of an old Groove Armada video) and the aging effects were very convincing.
Not sure how much more Amy-related trauma Rory can take, though...
They should have aged her hair, though - looked like the hair of a 20-yr-old! I thought she looked more like she had aged 26 years, not 36. But overall, it was a huge improvement on the Night Terrors episode.
Good catch, Nel, about the Doctor saying that if you know your future you can change it - that definitely sounds like a preliminary device to get the Doctor out of his problem ...
BeardofPants
09-22-2011, 03:10 AM
I liked Night Terrors. It reminded me of Sapphire & Steel. :)
mithrand1r
09-23-2011, 12:22 AM
I thought the episode was not bad. The reason for the minotaur needing to feed is not given and it seems to be an unusual thing to feed on for survival.
The minotaur was the perfect monster for the hotel.
I liked the room for the Doctor. (#11)
The episode had a sense of tension/terror which I thought worked well, even if it did not make much sense.
Nerdanel
09-23-2011, 03:35 AM
I thought the episode was not bad. The reason for the minotaur needing to feed is not given and it seems to be an unusual thing to feed on for survival.
The minotaur was the perfect monster for the hotel.
I liked the room for the Doctor. (#11)
The episode had a sense of tension/terror which I thought worked well, even if it did not make much sense.
i quite liked this episode - it had a sort of retro-monster feel to it. :P i like it that there are these ancient creatures around that we have very little information about... i think it adds to the whole series that there's a whole universe out there with things we can't even imagine, things so ancient and so different that we can't understand them.
and i guess we're just meeting the ones that make some kind of sense to us - there must be a lot we (and by we, i mean the people in the doctor who universe ;)) can't ever notice.
it would've been nice to have seen what was in the doctor's room, though... it feels like the writers are building up too many loose threads, and they don't really give us any answers (apart from river, but that was a fairly obvious thing, already last season). it would be much more rewarding to watch if the revelations came a bit more often and not all at once in a huge revelation episode. it's a new style that i'm not a huge fan of. well, at least i expect them to tell us what was in the doctor's room at some point! do you have any guesses? (i have a feeling he might've seen himself in there - maybe he's the one who kills himself in the future?)
the speed by which the doctor managed to convince amy that she shouldn't believe in him was pathetic. :P that was one of the main weaknesses in the episode, imo... but over all, i quite liked the episode; it was entertaining, clever and (hopefully) added something new to the characters.
mithrand1r
09-26-2011, 01:39 AM
the speed by which the doctor managed to convince amy that she shouldn't believe in him was pathetic. :P that was one of the main weaknesses in the episode, imo... but over all, i quite liked the episode; it was entertaining, clever and (hopefully) added something new to the characters.
It would've been nice to have seen what was in the doctor's room, though...
I agree regarding speed of Amy's change of belief. It was rushed, but they did not have much time to change Amy's belief in the episode.
I think it was better not to show what was in the Doctor's room. I think it was best left to our imagination.
Draken
09-26-2011, 03:58 AM
It reminded me of Sapphire & Steel. :)
NOW you're talking! :)
Gwaimir Windgem
09-28-2011, 11:25 PM
well, at least i expect them to tell us what was in the doctor's room at some point! do you have any guesses? (i have a feeling he might've seen himself in there - maybe he's the one who kills himself in the future?)
I thought River was supposed to kill him? That would make her a plausible candidate, but I kinda think he's not afraid of that. My money is on him seeing himself.
Nerdanel
09-29-2011, 03:27 AM
I thought River was supposed to kill him? That would make her a plausible candidate, but I kinda think he's not afraid of that. My money is on him seeing himself.
yeah, well, clearly after watching the latest episode, it's going to be river who kills him... but i was still happy speculating before i had seen that episode. :P
but yeah, i think he's seeing himself... i wonder if we're going to ever get to know. :)
mithrand1r
09-29-2011, 06:53 AM
yeah, well, clearly after watching the latest episode, it's going to be river who kills him... but i was still happy speculating before i had seen that episode. :P
but yeah, i think he's seeing himself... i wonder if we're going to ever get to know. :)
Perhaps in another DRW Confidential or in a behind the scenes book.
If not, there is always our speculation. ;)
Gwaimir Windgem
09-29-2011, 08:49 AM
yeah, well, clearly after watching the latest episode, it's going to be river who kills him... but i was still happy speculating before i had seen that episode. :P
Oh, I'm just catching up; still haven't seen the latest. :eek: But now I know there should be interesting stuff to look forward to! :cool:
Nerdanel
09-29-2011, 01:45 PM
Oh, I'm just catching up; still haven't seen the latest. :eek: But now I know there should be interesting stuff to look forward to! :cool:
oops, sorry :p it's dangerous to read this thread if you're not all caught up... ;)
Draken
09-30-2011, 03:32 AM
Perhaps in another DRW Confidential or in a behind the scenes book.
The BBC have just announced that they're scrapping Doctor Who Confidential to cut costs.
I always thought they were pretty lame ...
mithrand1r
09-30-2011, 06:53 AM
The BBC have just announced that they're scrapping Doctor Who Confidential to cut costs.
Doctor Who Confidential were nice, but not needed IMO. If cutting costs means they can make better programming or product then that is good.
While I generally like the new DW, I miss the format of the original DW.
Those episodes had more time to get into the story. The newer DW tends to run a quicker paced show with fewer side paths.
Both can work well with good writing/acting, but the original DW had more room (time) to work with on each story.
mithrand1r
10-02-2011, 02:39 PM
Not a bad episode, although I usually do not like episodes that play with the timeline as I know it.
Kids in the park should never feed the pterodactyls.
I liked the part of the soothsayer. It seemed appropriate given what we know of the doctor.
I always suspected that a woman was behind the doctor's (and time's) problems. ;) (although the Doctor did admit that he was the center of the problem with time.)
The chess game was simply electric and fun to watch. Chess has changed since the last time I played. The loser (well he did not technically lose) agreed to help the Doctor. Too bad he was still sore and wound up losing his head.
Speaking of losing ones head, it was nice to see the blue merchant again. I do not know how he remained alive. At least he has a good Wi-Fi connection. The Doctor was going to get his answer, but wisely IMO, decided to take the merchant out of demons run and into his tardis.
An interesting hypothetical question is raised about the lengths one would go to keep a dangerous secret, well, secret.
It took me a moment to understand the significance of the marks on the arm. (need to remember the past. ;)) A bit startling to see the silence hanging from the roof.
I would like to see the Doctor save the Dodo and join the Beatles.
Good to see Pond to the rescue, although the eye patches were a bit disconcerting. I did not expect her to have an eye patch or shoot the doctor.
I am not sure how the eye patches work, but I did not expect them to be a trap at the end. (kind of like technology and people. technology may have unexpected consequences and fail us when most needed. I know this analogy is probably a stretch :).)
The train into the pyramid was unexpected. I am surprised Egypt permitted this to occur. (Assuming Egypt exists in this time line.) Area 52 was a nice touch, but why have an American flag?
I am not sure how the Silence were able to get out of their cells unless they were playing possum. ;) Why was there water on the ceilings and the stairs?
I get annoyed when the Silence speak since they are difficult to understand. Good thing I have closed captioning. :)
Madame Kovarian begs Amy to be released from her bonds before the Silence arrive. Amy did not release her, but she was kind enough to adjust Madame Kovarian's eye patch before she left with Rory.
The wedding was nice, though rushed. I am not sure what the Doctor told the bride. (Rule#1 the Doctor lies.)
I liked how he wiggled his way out of Utah in one piece. I do not think I would have thought of this. I think it was well played, but I wonder what happen to the space ship and the people inside since the body was burned afterwards. Perhaps the ship was sacrificed for the greater good?
Too bad we will need till the next episode. :(
feawen
10-09-2011, 10:35 AM
while reading the acknowledgments in Brisingr by christopher Paolini (i always read these before the story) i may by a reference to the doctor. It appears the doctor gets around! in the world of Alagaesia he is know as 'the lonely god with many faces, among the stars'.
Now you all maybe aware of this already. But it made me laugh to my self. Its good to see how different medias, ideas and genre can influence each other!
Earniel
10-09-2011, 03:57 PM
Or you could say that Paolini really couldn't come up with a single good idea that he hasn't nicked from somewhere else, but that's probably belonging to another thread. :p
feawen
10-10-2011, 04:15 AM
lol oh dear! not a fan then!
Gwaimir Windgem
10-11-2011, 03:46 PM
http://www.liveforfilms.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/the-silence-doctor-who.jpg
feawen
10-13-2011, 09:45 AM
awww me and my mum thank thats sad :( poor silence man
Nerdanel
10-13-2011, 01:10 PM
http://www.liveforfilms.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/the-silence-doctor-who.jpg
awesome. XD i guess there's always some cost to controlling the world...
Nerdanel
11-01-2011, 06:18 AM
the doctor who cast and crew special: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3s4Czla6tXc
it's awesome!
i do miss tennant... :)
mithrand1r
11-01-2011, 08:00 PM
the doctor who cast and crew special: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3s4Czla6tXc
it's awesome!
i do miss tennant... :)
D. Tennant was very good as the Doctor. I thought he was best with Catherine Tate.
Although I am glad to have Doctor Who back on the air, I would have like the episodes to be ~90 min in length instead of the current ~44 minute length. (more time to develop the story)
Thankfully, M. Smith is not bad as the Doctor.
Tessar
11-01-2011, 08:58 PM
I'm not really a huge Dr. Who fan, and I've only seen bits and pieces of the newest season, but I LOVED Dr. W with Katherine Tate!!! I actually watched, and loved, those episodes.
mithrand1r
11-01-2011, 10:02 PM
I'm not really a huge Dr. Who fan, and I've only seen bits and pieces of the newest season, but I LOVED Dr. W with Katherine Tate!!! I actually watched, and loved, those episodes.
They had a nice sense of timing together and played well against each other. It is a shame that they only had one season together.
Gwaimir Windgem
11-03-2011, 02:25 PM
They had a nice sense of timing together and played well against each other. It is a shame that they only had one season together.
Of course, in NuWho, that's pretty standard.
Season 1: Rose/Eccleston
Season 2: Rose/Tennant
Season 3: Martha/Tennant
Season 4: Donna/Tennant
Only in 5 and 6 do we get a two-season pairing with Smith/Amy.
BeardofPants
11-05-2011, 12:34 PM
David Tennant & cast & crew do music vid of The Proclaimers:
http://io9.com/5854705/a-charming-music-video-starring-david-tennant-and-the-cast-crew-and-aliens-of-doctor-who/gallery/1
(Rian, you might like this)
BeardofPants
11-05-2011, 12:44 PM
Also this: http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/10/30/david-tennant-jonathan-barrowman-and-catherine-tate-roast-russell-t-davies-and-julie-gardner-in-song-for-doctor-who-wrap-party/
mithrand1r
11-05-2011, 05:55 PM
Also this: http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/10/30/david-tennant-jonathan-barrowman-and-catherine-tate-roast-russell-t-davies-and-julie-gardner-in-song-for-doctor-who-wrap-party/
A nice song by David, John, and Catherine. I thought it was funny and well produced.
the doctor who cast and crew special: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3s4Czla6tXc
It seems that you and Nerdanel have the same good taste.
BeardofPants
11-09-2011, 04:11 PM
It seems that you and Nerdanel have the same good taste.
Bah! I am too important to read other peoples' links! :p
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