Riddling IV

[Valandil]

EDIT: Starting new thread...


Here's another of those event based riddles. See if y'all can guess what it is.

Two species friendship proved to last
Remembered from a distant past.

Yet good advice went by unheeded
causing strife that was not needed.

Then a stolen treasure traded
for supplies to those blockaded.
(their leader certainly felt jaded)

Nonetheless no food was sent
and a fight was called when none was meant.

note: To answer correctly, you must name who gave the advice, who didn't follow it, and the name of the treasure that was stolen

I think rather that the advice came from an old raven - I forget if it was Roac or Croac or something (the Ravens and the Dwarves sharing the friendship from the distant past). It was Thorin who did not follow it - and the Arkenstone was the treasure that was 'stolen' (by a 'thief'!) and traded.

[Valandil]

Correct! (mostly)

The poem only refers to the Gates of Moria, aka the Black Gate.

Explanation:
In the East it sits, ---obvious location
where hope will not linger
it captures all courage
but fools it can't finger--hobbits often called fools
all the confident it siezes
but on the edge of a sword--Galadriel refers to the Fellowship's quest as being "on the edge of a sword"
one may enter, invisible, --The ring makes Frodo "invisible"
without hearing one word
from the Mouth, who dwells ---Yes, the Mouth of Sauron
by this entrance to hell.

OK - I mostly wasn't sure because Frodo did not actually enter there while invisible (that made me think of Sam getting past the Watcher at Cirith Ungol) - and I thought of Galadriel's words of course - but that referred to the Quest itself, not the Black Gate. Still - the rest pointed me there. Especially the 'Mouth'.

[CAB]

Correct again! Thurin is too short a name! I name you Riddler Solver Extraordinaire! Obviously you are a student of the Appendices, perhaps you should be a teacher?
Thanks :o


Also, my riddle only spoke of a singular killer. A race would be plural. Nice thinking though. (and ixnay on arguing that a disease is composed of lots of germs) :p
Oh no, certainly I wouldn't argue against a race of germs being considered a singular entity in the context of your riddle. :p

[Keith K]

Skip to the end if you don't want to read my thinking out loud.

So I've been reading the Narn i hin Hurin (I think it's called) and the first part of that riddle sounds like Turin and Beleg's friendship, Mablung's advice that Turin go to Thingol after Saeros died (which he disregarded) that caused strife between Turin and the Elves. The blockaded sounds like Mim's home - they took the sack he was carrying which he wouldn't be parted with but turned out to be carrying food and I think it said Turin was restless while they stayed in Mim's home?

So I guess my guess goes like this: Mablung gave good advice, Turin ignored it, and they stole a sack of roots from Mim?

Excellent try, Midge. As you will see, Val has found the solution. Thanks for guessing! :)

[Keith K]

Two species friendship proved to last
Remembered from a distant past.

Yet good advice went by unheeded
causing strife that was not needed.

Then a stolen treasure traded
for supplies to those blockaded.
(their leader certainly felt jaded)

Nonetheless no food was sent
and a fight was called when none was meant.

I think rather that the advice came from an old raven - I forget if it was Roac or Croac or something (the Ravens and the Dwarves sharing the friendship from the distant past). It was Thorin who did not follow it - and the Arkenstone was the treasure that was 'stolen' (by a 'thief'!) and traded.

Yes! The species are of course Dwarves and Thrushes. Well done, Val! :)

[Keith K]

Here's a little quick one:

I'm at the end of my range, the last horn blowing.

[Keith K]

I reckon The White Riddle is now open to all. Val needs some help with it. :confused: It concerns the Dunedain. Good luck!


The White Riddle

Pure and white.
Without stain or blight.
Soaring with pride
at a great height.

[Keith K]

Also, I seem to have a riddle from long ago that was never solved.


The Middle-earth Algebra Riddle

2(Grubb) + Burrowes = x

What is the relationship?

[Valandil]

Here's a little quick one:

I'm at the end of my range, the last horn blowing.

Boromir's last winding of his horn? (on the borders of Gondor)

[Keith K]

Boromir's last winding of his horn? (on the borders of Gondor)

Nope. But that is a fine guess! I can't say for certain that this horn ever blew. I mostly needed the "blowing" part for rhyming purposes. Not to say that there wasn't blowing. There very well probably was. I just can't prove it.

Thanks for trying, please give it another blow, er I mean go. Next!

[Midge]

X= Lobelia?

[Keith K]

X= Lobelia?

Nope. X= 2 Grubbs and a Burrowes. What is the relationship?

[CAB]

I reckon The White Riddle is now open to all. Val needs some help with it. :confused: It concerns the Dunedain. Good luck!


The White Riddle

Pure and white.
Without stain or blight.
Soaring with pride
at a great height.
Banner of the Stewards

Also, I seem to have a riddle from long ago that was never solved.


The Middle-earth Algebra Riddle

2(Grubb) + Burrowes = x

What is the relationship?
X = The auctioneers of Bag End

Here's a little quick one:

I'm at the end of my range, the last horn blowing.
I'm not so sure on this one. It sounds like Ulmo with Tuor. The end of his (Ulmo's) range being the sea shore. Ulmo did blow the horn though, didn't he? He certainly “sounded” it.

[Keith K]

Banner of the Stewards


X = The auctioneers of Bag End


I'm not so sure on this one. It sounds like Ulmo with Tuor. The end of his (Ulmo's) range being the sea shore. Ulmo did blow the horn though, didn't he? He certainly “sounded” it.

Correct on the White Riddle.

Correct on the Algebra Riddle. The Shire firm of Grubb, Grubb & Burrowes was contracted to sell off all of Bilbo's stuff.

Great guess on the Last Horn Riddle. You make a nice point. But you are not even close.

I'll give y'all some clues to help narrow it down. This is a LOTR based riddle. You don't need any other books. The key words to focus on are last horn. End of my range is helpful as well.

Knowing a bit of Elvish would be useful, but not necessary.

Next!

[EllethValatari]

I'm at the end of my range, the last horn blowing.

"range" can refer to arrows...perhaps? I don't know the answer to the riddle, though :(

Haha Valandil, I guessed the same thing at first: Boromir's last blowing

[EllethValatari]

Here's a little quick one:

I'm at the end of my range, the last horn blowing.

Another thought...could it be Aragorn? "range" made me think of a "Ranger," which he was, and when he took his place as King of Gondor he was "at the end of his range." The "last horn blowing" could then refer to the last battle horn, because when he was crowned king the battle against Sauron was over...

[EllethValatari]

Here's a short one:

Because of me,
The shortened are lengthened,
because of me,
the wounded are strengthened,
because of me,
the hungry are full and
after I've passed,
the norm is restored.

Good luck riddlers!

[Valandil]

Correct on the White Riddle.

Correct on the Algebra Riddle. The Shire firm of Grubb, Grubb & Burrowes was contracted to sell off all of Bilbo's stuff.

Great guess on the Last Horn Riddle. You make a nice point. But you are not even close.

I'll give y'all some clues to help narrow it down. This is a LOTR based riddle. You don't need any other books. The key words to focus on are last horn. End of my range is helpful as well.

Knowing a bit of Elvish would be useful, but not necessary.

Next!

Keith - I actually remembered the Standard yesterday morning after I left the house. Or - thought of it again, or whatever. I focus more on the Northern Branch of the Dunedain, so the Southern Branch things didn't quite register so much. :p

This 'horn' one is tough. Sometimes the short ones are, since they give so little to go on. And sometimes can even get ambiguous.

I thought the algebra might have been that group/firm - but didn't recall the names.

[Keith K]

I'm at the end of my range, the last horn blowing.

"range" can refer to arrows...perhaps? I don't know the answer to the riddle, though :(

Yes, range can indeed refer to arrows. The "horn" thing sorta becomes problematic, however. :D

I will say that it has nothing to do with arrows of any kind.

Thank you, for your guess, Elleth. Please keep thinking and try again.

[EllethValatari]

What about this guess?

Another thought...could it be Aragorn? "range" made me think of a "Ranger," which he was, and when he took his place as King of Gondor he was "at the end of his range." The "last horn blowing" could then refer to the last battle horn, because when he was crowned king the battle against Sauron was over...

[Keith K]

Another thought...could it be Aragorn? "range" made me think of a "Ranger," which he was, and when he took his place as King of Gondor he was "at the end of his range." The "last horn blowing" could then refer to the last battle horn, because when he was crowned king the battle against Sauron was over...

I like your thinking, Elleth. Quite creative. I have a feeling you just might be the one who eventually figures it out!

The rangers are not part of this riddle. Also, it is not necessarily a battle horn.

Keep guessing!

[EllethValatari]

I like your thinking, Elleth. Quite creative. I have a feeling you just might be the one who eventually figures it out!

The rangers are not part of this riddle. Also, it is not necessarily a battle horn.

Keep guessing!

Hm.....my free association skills are becoming blunter as it gets later...let me get out my books and look a little

[Keith K]

Keith - I actually remembered the Standard yesterday morning after I left the house. Or - thought of it again, or whatever. I focus more on the Northern Branch of the Dunedain, so the Southern Branch things didn't quite register so much. :p

This 'horn' one is tough. Sometimes the short ones are, since they give so little to go on. And sometimes can even get ambiguous.

I thought the algebra might have been that group/firm - but didn't recall the names.

Yay! I was hoping you would remember it on your own. :) No matter what your "focus" you are the wisest loremaster of the Dunedain in all Entmoot. That is why I expect so much out of you when my riddles concern them.

You well know that the short riddles can be real posers! I have faith that someone will figure this one out ah, shortly. After all, we are the Riddlers Of Entmoot! No other site can claim to surpass us! :D

[EllethValatari]

Could you give us a hint on the use of the word "range?" It's stumping me and my two guesses have already been rejected...

[Keith K]

Here's a short one:

Because of me,
The shortened are lengthened,
because of me,
the wounded are strengthened,
because of me,
the hungry are full and
after I've passed,
the norm is restored.

Good luck riddlers!

Could it be the Entwives? Tending gardens and caring for the land? Well, it's a guess anyway... Nice riddle, EllethValatari!

[Keith K]

Could you give us a hint on the use of the word "range?" It's stumping me and my two guesses have already been rejected...

In a way you have answered your own question. Two strikes on those interpretations of range, what does that leave you? What other things could possibly remain range-wise? That is the thinking that will solve this riddle.

Keep trying though. Like I said, you are gonna get this. :)

[EllethValatari]

In a way you have answered your own question. Two strikes on those interpretations of range, what does that leave you? What other things could possibly remain range-wise? That is the thinking that will solve this riddle.

Keep trying though. Like I said, you are gonna get this. :)

I hope so...:)

Still working on it!

[EllethValatari]

Could it be the Entwives? Tending gardens and caring for the land? Well, it's a guess anyway... Nice riddle, EllethValatari!

Good guess, but no! You're thinking in the right region of ME though...

[Keith K]

Good guess, but no! You're thinking in the right region of ME though...

Of course! The solution is Entdrought! (or even old Fangorn himself).

A most excellent riddle! **applause**

[EllethValatari]

I'm at the end of my range, the last horn blowing.

*musters up another guess

Okay, is it Theoden? The "last horns blowing" could refer to Theoden hearing his last horns, or something like that...as for "at the end of his range," Theoden was killed at the Fords of Isen, which at the border of Rohan, therefore, at the end of his territory or range of power.

*crosses fingers*

[EllethValatari]

Of course! The solution is Entdrought! (or even old Fangorn himself).

A most excellent riddle! **applause**

Correct! Good guessing!

*sits waiting for 62 seconds to be able to post again...darn limit :mad:

[Keith K]

*musters up another guess

Okay, is it Theoden? The "last horns blowing" could refer to Theoden hearing his last horns, or something like that...as for "at the end of his range," Theoden was killed at the Fords of Isen, which at the border of Rohan, therefore, at the end of his territory or range of power.

*crosses fingers*

Nope. I'm loving your guesses, though. **more applause** Perhaps this little ditty will help you.

That is creative thinking,
but it's not even near.

Except that the solution
To Theoden would be clear.

[Wilhelm]

I'm at the end of my range, the last horn blowing.

The horn of Helm Hammerhand at Helm's Deep?

They had reached the maximum range of their retreat and/or the Hornburg is located at the end of the White Mountain Range...

[Wilhelm]

I'm at the end of my range, the last horn blowing.

Or perhaps it isn't a horn but refers to the Hornburg itself - for the same reasons I mentioned above.

[Noble Elf Lord]

*musters up another guess

Okay, is it Theoden? The "last horns blowing" could refer to Theoden hearing his last horns, or something like that...as for "at the end of his range," Theoden was killed at the Fords of Isen, which at the border of Rohan, therefore, at the end of his territory or range of power.

*crosses fingers*

Wait wait wait. Am I reading right? Before, you called the gates of Moria the "Black Gate", though the "Black Gate" refers to the entrance to Mordor. And Theodred died at the Fords, not Theoden. Right?

[Keith K]

The horn of Helm Hammerhand at Helm's Deep?

They had reached the maximum range of their retreat and/or the Hornburg is located at the end of the White Mountain Range...

While this is also incorrect, in some ways this is the closest guess yet. And even though NEL is right about who died at the Fords, Theodred too, would be able to easily answer my riddle.

[Midge]

Here's a little quick one:

I'm at the end of my range, the last horn blowing.

This riddle makes me think of tons of things that have to do with Battles, and also:

Tom Bombadil, bidding the hobbits goodbye. He says, "Tom's land ends here; he will not pass his borders." That's certainly the end of his range, and of course his loud singing away could be likened to a horn blowing. That's my guess.

Until I can think of a better answer, this one will stand, but by heavens, I doubt Theoden or Theodred would know this.

[Midge]

KEITH K's Riddle Information. All guesses are incorrect, and there are some hints included below. I find it easier if I don't have to scroll up and down the page looking for things that have already been guessed.

Boromir's last winding of his horn? (on the borders of Gondor)

I'm not so sure on this one. It sounds like Ulmo with Tuor. The end of his (Ulmo's) range being the sea shore. Ulmo did blow the horn though, didn't he? He certainly “sounded” it.

"range" can refer to arrows...perhaps? I don't know the answer to the riddle, though :(

Yes, range can indeed refer to arrows. The "horn" thing sorta becomes problematic, however. :D
I will say that it has nothing to do with arrows of any kind.

Another thought...could it be Aragorn? "range" made me think of a "Ranger," which he was, and when he took his place as King of Gondor he was "at the end of his range." The "last horn blowing" could then refer to the last battle horn, because when he was crowned king the battle against Sauron was over...

I like your thinking, Elleth. Quite creative. I have a feeling you just might be the one who eventually figures it out!

The rangers are not part of this riddle. Also, it is not necessarily a battle horn.

Okay, is it Theoden? The "last horns blowing" could refer to Theoden hearing his last horns, or something like that...as for "at the end of his range," Theoden was killed at the Fords of Isen, which at the border of Rohan, therefore, at the end of his territory or range of power.

Perhaps this little ditty will help you.

That is creative thinking,
but it's not even near.

Except that the solution
To Theoden would be clear.

The horn of Helm Hammerhand at Helm's Deep?

They had reached the maximum range of their retreat and/or the Hornburg is located at the end of the White Mountain Range...

While this is also incorrect, in some ways this is the closest guess yet. And even though NEL is right about who died at the Fords, Theodred too, would be able to easily answer my riddle.

[Wilhelm]

Thanks Midge. A good proactive and helpful step.

My 2nd guess that it was the Hornburg itself was omitted from your list. But, I don't think it adds much value anyways.

I will make a 3rd guess...
The Horn of the Mark carried by Merry Brandybuck.

[CAB]

I'm at the end of my range, the last horn blowing.
I am quite confident that I know the answer now, due mostly to standing on the shoulders of giants (my fellow riddlers)!

Mt. Mindolluin upon which sits Minas Tirith. It is at the end of the White Mountain range which in Elvish is called Ered Nimrais which translates as Whitehorn Mountains.

Great riddle Keith!:)

[CAB]

Dark crowns in a giant green bowl,
Impatient sounds far below

[EllethValatari]

I'm at the end of my range, the last horn blowing.

Has anyone solved this yet?

Well, in the meantime, an easier one:

A puzzle I am and a puzzle I tell;
Say what I ask and thou might fare well.

[Wilhelm]

A puzzle I am and a puzzle I tell;
Say what I ask and thou might fare well.

A bit of a guess but, Tom Bombadil.

Tolkien's letters claim that Tom was intentionally left an enigma - a riddle.
Tom told the hobbits to recite a rhyme if they got into trouble (say what I ask).

[EllethValatari]

A bit of a guess but, Tom Bombadil.

Tolkien's letters claim that Tom was intentionally left an enigma - a riddle.
Tom told the hobbits to recite a rhyme if they got into trouble (say what I ask).

Hmm...now that I think of it...your guess almost fits the riddle better than what I was thinking of when I wrote it. Very good answer! However, it is not what I was thinking of....it is from LOTR though.

Hint: The way that your guess falls short is with the line, "say what I ask." Bombadil did not require of them that they recite the rhyme, whereas the thing/person/place I am thinking of requires you to say something.

[CAB]

A puzzle I am and a puzzle I tell;
Say what I ask and thou might fare well.

The West-gate of Moria?

[EllethValatari]

The West-gate of Moria?

Yes! Good answer! The West Gate requires that you "Speak, friend, and enter" which ends up being a riddle itself.

[Keith K]

I am quite confident that I know the answer now, due mostly to standing on the shoulders of giants (my fellow riddlers)!

Mt. Mindolluin upon which sits Minas Tirith. It is at the end of the White Mountain range which in Elvish is called Ered Nimrais which translates as Whitehorn Mountains.

Great riddle Keith!:)

You guys are getting on the right track now, but Mt. Mindolluin is incorrect. Recheck the riddle, and then recheck your Elvish. That ought to do it!

Thanks for trying. Next!

[Midge]

Dark crowns in a giant green bowl,
Impatient sounds far below

This is Entmoot. The dark crowns are the heads of the Ents, and the impatient sounds far below are coming from the little hobbits at their feet.

[EllethValatari]

This is Entmoot. The dark crowns are the heads of the Ents, and the impatient sounds far below are coming from the little hobbits at their feet.

I never even thought of that!

Here's another one:

Not by our faces
Nor our measure
Can you tell
Which we are.
But if you know us
You will find us
Beneath the ground,
perhaps?
we aren't
The only ones
who blend together
with our opposites,
you see,
we confuse
the other races
because we're
little
hairy
beasts.


This one takes some artistic license, and is supposed to be funny, not insulting...Good luck!

[Midge]

I'll start with the obvious and ask: is it Hobbits?

They are little and hairy, and I guess you could call Man a beast, because they are of the same class (I think). Hobbits like to live underground, their faces look like Men, their stature is similar to Dwarves...

Is the formatting part of the riddle?

[EllethValatari]

I'll start with the obvious and ask: is it Hobbits?

They are little and hairy, and I guess you could call Man a beast, because they are of the same class (I think). Hobbits like to live underground, their faces look like Men, their stature is similar to Dwarves...

Is the formatting part of the riddle?

Good guess, but not quite. Focus more on the lines,

Which we are.

who blend together
with our opposites,

[Wilhelm]

Not by our faces
Nor our measure
Can you tell
Which we are.
But if you know us
You will find us
Beneath the ground,
perhaps?
we aren't
The only ones
who blend together
with our opposites,
you see,
we confuse
the other races
because we're
little
hairy
beasts.


Dwarves?

Male and female (opposites) are indistinguishable to other races

[Wilhelm]

I'm at the end of my range, the last horn blowing.

It's not Mt Mindolluin, It's not the Hornburg, but it does appear to be a location as opposed to a musical instrument...

My next guess will be....

Edoras

'ras' is an elvish translation of horn. Edoras is at the end of the white mountain range. It is located near the mountain Starkhorn. Tolkien describes it as a windswept place (blowing), Theoden and Theodred would obviously know it.

If this is correct, I all but had the answer with Hornburg - I just didn't consider the need for a translation.

[Keith K]

It's not Mt Mindolluin, It's not the Hornburg, but it does appear to be a location as opposed to a musical instrument...

My next guess will be....

Edoras

'ras' is an elvish translation of horn. Edoras is at the end of the white mountain range. It is located near the mountain Starkhorn. Tolkien describes it as a windswept place (blowing), Theoden and Theodred would obviously know it.

If this is correct, I all but had the answer with Hornburg - I just didn't consider the need for a translation.

Edoras is not correct. No need for translating, - if you can solve the riddle with a reasonable explanation as to why your answer fits.

The Elvish is merely another avenue you guys can take in solving my riddle.

Keep trying. Y'all are right on the heels of figuring this one out. :)


ADDITIONAL NOTE: This riddle has nothing to do with the White Mts. or with Rohan. I'm just saying that the Rohirrim would be familiar with it. The educated ones, anyway.

[Noble Elf Lord]

Following the good example. :)

I'm at the end of my range, the last horn blowing.

Less scrolling, I should think.

Hmm. LotR, right? ............................ .....nothing comes to my mind. :confused:

[Keith K]

Since you guys seem stumped with the "end of my range" riddle, here's one to play with in the meantime.

The Unnamed Ringbearer

I am an unknown, of me no one sings.
Yet, I'm one of the few who has handled the ring.


Good luck, riddlers!

[Wilhelm]

The Unnamed Ringbearer

I am an unknown, of me no one sings.
Yet, I'm one of the few who has handled the ring.

My guess will be Deagol


More or less in order...

Sauron, Isildur, Deagol, Smeagol, Bilbo, Frodo, Bombadil, Frodo, Sam, Frodo, Gollum, Lava ;)

[Midge]

If that's the order, I'm going to guess Lava.

[Keith K]

My guess will be Deagol


More or less in order...

Sauron, Isildur, Deagol, Smeagol, Bilbo, Frodo, Bombadil, Frodo, Sam, Frodo, Gollum, Lava ;)

Lava! Now that's an interesting guess! Actually, none of these fit the riddle since they all have names and songs sung of them.

The odd thing about this sort of riddle is that the answer is not actually stated in the narrative of LOTR. Rather, it is inferred. To solve it you guys have to trace the history of the ring to find a point where it was handled by an unnamed person.

[Midge]

So is it literally no one sings of this person ever, or just no one sings of this person in relation to the Ring?

Like, did the Barrow-wight touch it, or did one of the Council of Elrond (like Boromir), or did Galadriel touch it? Gandalf, I don't think, ever touched it. Did Shelob touch it?

[Keith K]

So is it literally no one sings of this person ever, or just no one sings of this person in relation to the Ring?

Like, did the Barrow-wight touch it, or did one of the Council of Elrond (like Boromir), or did Galadriel touch it? Gandalf, I don't think, ever touched it. Did Shelob touch it?

No one sings in relation to the ring. The inferred person could actually be one of those that have already been named. I just need the point in time when this "handling" occurred.

I wish I had my books handy. I'd like to check the narrative when Frodo was captured. The Barrow-wight might actually have handled it, although he is not the one I am thinking of.

If it does turn out to be inferred that the wight handled the ring, then honorable mention to Midge for guessing him. :)

[EllethValatari]

Dwarves?

Male and female (opposites) are indistinguishable to other races

yes! Sorry it took me so long to get back here (finals take away much of my mooting time)

[Wilhelm]

No one sings in relation to the ring. The inferred person could actually be one of those that have already been named. I just need the point in time when this "handling" occurred.


My guess was actually Deagol.

Deagol handled the ring. He found it in the River and died minutes later (at the hand of Smeagol). Deagol is relatively unknown and I have never heard a song about him.

[Keith K]

My guess was actually Deagol.

Deagol handled the ring. He found it in the River and died minutes later (at the hand of Smeagol). Deagol is relatively unknown and I have never heard a song about him.

While Deagol is relatively unknown, he is most definitely named. He is not who I am thinking of.

You guys are probably gonna wanna kill me for this one, but we can still have some fun with it. The unknown person handled the ring during Frodo's tenure of possession. Go with that, and if more clues are needed I will provide them.

[Midge]

Whoever put the ring on the chain after the Nazgul at the fords?

[Keith K]

Whoever put the ring on the chain after the Nazgul at the fords?

Yes! That's the guy. Nice bit of deduction, Midge.

So, who do y'all think took the ring from the unconscious Frodo's pocket, and strung it through the chain?

I think it probably was Gandalf. I doubt Elrond would have touched it, and Gandalf had already played with it some at Bag End. Sam would have, but I don't think that the Wise would have wanted to chance the ring ensnaring anyone else by getting him to pick Frodo's pocket.

[Keith K]

Here's another one for y'all to guess...

A milestone am I, and I sit in the middle,
where three come together to create this riddle.

Good luck, riddlers!

[EllethValatari]

Here's another one for y'all to guess...

A milestone am I, and I sit in the middle,
where three come together to create this riddle.

Good luck, riddlers!

Is it one of the trolls in the Hobbit, possibly William? They are a milestone for the hobbits in LOTR, and there are three of them: William, Bert, and Tom.

[Midge]

I thought they were the three Mountains that were over Moria - one moment while I look up their names...

Elvish: Caradhras, Celebdil and Fanuidhol
Dwarves:Barazinbar, Zirakzigil and Bundushathur
Westron: Redhorn, Silvertine and Cloudyhead

I'm not sure how well this fits IF Gimli was listing them in order, because the milestone for the Nine Walkers was definitely Caradhras and it's first.

HOWEVER, Zirakzigil/Silvertine/Celebdil (the one that is listed in the middle of those) IS the mountain upon which Gandalf fought the Balrog. It was there that he threw down the Balrog and "strayed out of thought and time" - and also where he was "sent back" as the White to finish his task.

If he were not sent back, Middle-Earth probably would have fallen into the hands of Sauron. Definitely a milestone.

Maybe I should write an essay on "Why Gandalf is the Whole Reason Middle-Earth Survived the War of the Ring"... Because there are PLENTY of them.

[Midge]

Yes! That's the guy. Nice bit of deduction, Midge.

So, who do y'all think took the ring from the unconscious Frodo's pocket, and strung it through the chain?

I think it probably was Gandalf. I doubt Elrond would have touched it, and Gandalf had already played with it some at Bag End. Sam would have, but I don't think that the Wise would have wanted to chance the ring ensnaring anyone else by getting him to pick Frodo's pocket.

For some reason, I always pictured it being some kind of nurse-elf, who is so innocent and pure that the ring would only have been an ordinary object, sort of like it was with Tom Bombadil. Heavens, they had three days to get that ring on the chain. I bet they had some kind of gladiator stadium where the BRAVEST elves came out in a haz-mat type of suit, super-protective gloves and a gas mask and used tongs and sticks and flipping techniques to get it on the chain. They had to know how important it was. The person to get it on was the Champion of Rivendell for a year or something SWEET like that. Of course only Elves could compete. Men and Dwarves were too susceptible to the Ring's powers, and the Hobbits at Rivendell either had too much exposure or were being treated for trauma.

The uniforms probably looked like this:
http://www.flatrock.org.nz/topics/terrorism/assets/hazmat_suit.jpg, only with pretty leaf or star decorations.

edit: I tried to insert an image, but it says "[img] code is OFF", so I guess I can't. :confused: Oh, well, click on the link.

[Midge]

Here's a little quick one:

I'm at the end of my range, the last horn blowing.

Okay. So - 'Range' doesn't refer to a Ranger, arrows, or mountains, 'horn' and 'blowing' isn't actually talking about a horn and even though educated Rohirrim would know the answer, it has nothing to do with Rohan.

Okay - Here are my vague, unexplainable guesses (I have two):

1. For some reason, I keep leaning toward Aragorn and the Passing of the Grey Company through Dunharrow, which goes through the Starkhorn mountain. Ghosts just seem to "blow" by default. Not sure about how that's the end of a range, unless it's something to do with how far the Dead were willing to go.

2. The other guess is having to do with the Hornblowers of the Shire. They manufactured pipe weed and there would certainly be a lot of "blowing" of smoke rings and such. However, I have an issue with the "end of my range" thing again.

This riddle is making me CRAZY!

[Keith K]

Okay. So - 'Range' doesn't refer to a Ranger, arrows, or mountains, 'horn' and 'blowing' isn't actually talking about a horn and even though educated Rohirrim would know the answer, it has nothing to do with Rohan.

Okay - Here are my vague, unexplainable guesses (I have two):

1. For some reason, I keep leaning toward Aragorn and the Passing of the Grey Company through Dunharrow, which goes through the Starkhorn mountain. Ghosts just seem to "blow" by default. Not sure about how that's the end of a range, unless it's something to do with how far the Dead were willing to go.

2. The other guess is having to do with the Hornblowers of the Shire. They manufactured pipe weed and there would certainly be a lot of "blowing" of smoke rings and such. However, I have an issue with the "end of my range" thing again.

This riddle is making me CRAZY!

Oh! I just love #2. I could make a pretty good riddle out of that pun you just came up with.

This riddle was nearly solved when the guessing suddenly stopped. By that time the riddlers of Entmoot had figured out that the range thing and the horn thing did in fact refer to mountains.

At least I had thought that y'all had gotten that far. Wilhelm had translated "horn" as ras, but guessed the wrong mountain. So, are there any other "ranges" besides the White Mountain Range? Yep. There are indeed. Perhaps one of these has a mountain at one end called the "last horn"? The blowing part can be considered wind, but I mainly needed it for poetic purposes. (also, to put y'all in a bit of misdirection and drive Midge crazy).

Sorry if there was confusion that mountain 'ranges' were nixed as a possible solution.

So, anyone wanna tell me where in Middle Earth the solution to this riddle lies? Remember, I did say that educated Rohirrim would know the answer. That should narrow it down for ya!

[Keith K]

Is it one of the trolls in the Hobbit, possibly William? They are a milestone for the hobbits in LOTR, and there are three of them: William, Bert, and Tom.

Nice guess, as these trolls are true stones! However, it is not these, or any other trolls.

Thanks for participating, EllethV! Please try again. :)

[Keith K]

I thought they were the three Mountains that were over Moria - one moment while I look up their names...

Elvish: Caradhras, Celebdil and Fanuidhol
Dwarves:Barazinbar, Zirakzigil and Bundushathur
Westron: Redhorn, Silvertine and Cloudyhead

I'm not sure how well this fits IF Gimli was listing them in order, because the milestone for the Nine Walkers was definitely Caradhras and it's first.

HOWEVER, Zirakzigil/Silvertine/Celebdil (the one that is listed in the middle of those) IS the mountain upon which Gandalf fought the Balrog. It was there that he threw down the Balrog and "strayed out of thought and time" - and also where he was "sent back" as the White to finish his task.

If he were not sent back, Middle-Earth probably would have fallen into the hands of Sauron. Definitely a milestone.

Maybe I should write an essay on "Why Gandalf is the Whole Reason Middle-Earth Survived the War of the Ring"... Because there are PLENTY of them.


That would be an interesting argument to have. If Gandalf was the whole reason, then he wouldn't have needed any help. And he had plenty! :p

In any event, the milestone in this riddle is not a mountain. I have driven you crazy enough with the mountain riddles... ...for now. :confused: :p

Thanks for guessing, and please try some more. Next!

A milestone am I, and I sit in the middle,
where three come together to create this riddle.

[Keith K]

For some reason, I always pictured it being some kind of nurse-elf, who is so innocent and pure that the ring would only have been an ordinary object, sort of like it was with Tom Bombadil. Heavens, they had three days to get that ring on the chain. I bet they had some kind of gladiator stadium where the BRAVEST elves came out in a haz-mat type of suit, super-protective gloves and a gas mask and used tongs and sticks and flipping techniques to get it on the chain. They had to know how important it was. The person to get it on was the Champion of Rivendell for a year or something SWEET like that. Of course only Elves could compete. Men and Dwarves were too susceptible to the Ring's powers, and the Hobbits at Rivendell either had too much exposure or were being treated for trauma.

The uniforms probably looked like this:
http://www.flatrock.org.nz/topics/terrorism/assets/hazmat_suit.jpg, only with pretty leaf or star decorations.

edit: I tried to insert an image, but it says "[img] code is OFF", so I guess I can't. :confused: Oh, well, click on the link.

Now, that's funny! What a wonderful imagination you have. It will serve you well throughout your life, (so sayeth Keith K the Seer). :)

In my early reading, before I ever gave it much thought, I had sorta envisioned a similar thing with the "nurse elf". It was only later that I realized what a big deal the actual transfer from pocket to neck must have been.

[Wilhelm]

This riddle was nearly solved when the guessing suddenly stopped. By that time the riddlers of Entmoot had figured out that the range thing and the horn thing did in fact refer to mountains.

At least I had thought that y'all had gotten that far. Wilhelm had translated "horn" as ras, but guessed the wrong mountain. So, are there any other "ranges" besides the White Mountain Range? Yep. There are indeed. Perhaps one of these has a mountain at one end called the "last horn"? The blowing part can be considered wind, but I mainly needed it for poetic purposes. (also, to put y'all in a bit of misdirection and drive Midge crazy).

Sorry if there was confusion that mountain 'ranges' were nixed as a possible solution.

So, anyone wanna tell me where in Middle Earth the solution to this riddle lies? Remember, I did say that educated Rohirrim would know the answer. That should narrow it down for ya!


Methedras - the translates to end horn (more or less). It is the southern most mountain in the Misty Mountain Range. Isengard is at the foot of it's southern side. This mountain is essentially a boundary to the Gap of Rohan. The Rohirrim will know it.

Assuming I now have the right Mountain... Could I have been any closer? Do I get an honourable mention for figuring out that range referred to mountains? Or for translating Horn to ras? :D

[Wilhelm]

Here's another one for y'all to guess...

A milestone am I, and I sit in the middle,
where three come together to create this riddle.

Good luck, riddlers!

The three-farthing stone. It is considered the center (middle) of the shire and represents the meeting point of the East, West and South Farthings.

[Wilhelm]

Hey Riddlers,

Are there any active riddles (other than the 2 I attempted above)?

Thx.

[Wilhelm]

I'm at the end of my range, the last horn blowing

Hey Keith,

Great Riddle by the way! It drove me nuts, I have hated it and been totally consumed by it. I just hope it's solved.

[Keith K]

Methedras - the translates to end horn (more or less). It is the southern most mountain in the Misty Mountain Range. Isengard is at the foot of it's southern side. This mountain is essentially a boundary to the Gap of Rohan. The Rohirrim will know it.

Assuming I now have the right Mountain... Could I have been any closer? Do I get an honourable mention for figuring out that range referred to mountains? Or for translating Horn to ras? :D

Bingo! Midge will be very relieved to know that Methedras is the solution to the riddle. It is at the end of the Misty Mountain Range, and its Elvish name is "last horn". Thank you for researching the answer, Wilhelm! :)

You get well deserved credit for solving the riddle, but it should be noted that it was Thurin who first made that essential link to the true nature of the clues in the riddle.

I am quite confident that I know the answer now, due mostly to standing on the shoulders of giants (my fellow riddlers)!

Mt. Mindolluin upon which sits Minas Tirith. It is at the end of the White Mountain range which in Elvish is called Ered Nimrais which translates as Whitehorn Mountains.

Great riddle Keith!:)

You were getting closer with an earlier guess of Hornburg, but at that time I deem you to have been chasing after horns other than those of the mountain persuasion. :evil:

In any event, ALL participating riddlers receive credit, as this often becomes a group effort for many of our riddles. Even the wildest of guesses help narrow things down, bringing everyone else that much closer to the solution.

[Keith K]

A milestone am I, and I sit in the middle,
where three come together to create this riddle.

The three-farthing stone. It is considered the center (middle) of the shire and represents the meeting point of the East, West and South Farthings.

That is absolutely one hundred percent correct! The three-farthing stone solves this riddle. Thank you, for answering so precisely. That is the proper way to do it. Well done, Wilhelm!

I do believe that all riddles have now been matched with their solutions. I will see about writing some more soon.

Anyone else feeling a bit creative? Have at it! :cool:

[Wilhelm]

it should be noted that it was Thurin who first made that essential link to the true nature of the clues in the riddle

You are quite correct! A combination of exasperation and possible relief had obviously affected my memory. That riddle had become personal.

My apologies to Thurin for claiming credit for his insight. :o

[Keith K]

You are quite correct! A combination of exasperation and possible relief had obviously affected my memory. That riddle had become personal.

My apologies to Thurin for claiming credit for his insight. :o

Actually, I just rechecked and found that the riddler's back that Thurin credited is likely to be Wilhelm! You were indeed the first to sUggest the proper context of the words " End of my range". It is fitting that you finished it off by providing the solution. Kudos!

[Wilhelm]

Eek! You're right it was me in my Hornburg guess. :eek:

the Hornburg is located at the end of the White Mountain Range

I must be getting old. I can't even remember what I said.

[Keith K]

A New Riddle:

Twelve that walk the earth unshod.

Three whose job to to stay on guard.

Six to see my lands stay free.

Can you tell me who they be?

Even though they're not my race.

They fearlessly protect my place.

To answer correctly you must interpret each line that has a number. The key number that will help solve everything is "three".

Good luck, riddlers!

[Wilhelm]

Here's a quick one. Hopefully a bit tougher than my previous efforts...

Cold as ice
Seven times not so nice

[Keith K]

Here's a quick one. Hopefully a bit tougher than my previous efforts...

Cold as ice
Seven times not so nice

It's tough, alright. I can't put my finger on anything right now.
So, what's cold as ice in Middle Earth?
barrow wights
nazgul
wind/weather
mountain waters
I can't think of any of these coming in sevens. Hmmm. Dunedain like to do stuff in sevens. Barrow wights aren't very nice. Some Dunedain are Barrow Wights, so the answer must be Barrow wights. :D

I dunno. :confused:

Next!!

[EllethValatari]

A new one.

Once high upon White,
Clear roads in my sight,
but now covered skies
Weltschmerz clouds my eyes,
This no one can revive,
I must go to die.

[CAB]

Glad to see that the "Horn" riddle was solved. That was a tough one!

Cold as ice
Seven times not so nice
Ringil? It glittered like ice and (in Fingolfin's hands) wounded Morgoth seven times.

[Wilhelm]

Ringil? It glittered like ice and (in Fingolfin's hands) wounded Morgoth seven times.

And so much for a tougher riddle. Ringil is correct!

[Wilhelm]

A New Riddle:

Twelve that walk the earth unshod.

Three whose job to to stay on guard.

Six to see my lands stay free.

Can you tell me who they be?

Even though they're not my race.

They fearlessly protect my place.

To answer correctly you must interpret each line that has a number. The key number that will help solve everything is "three".

Good luck, riddlers!

I'm thinking 3 horses. Between them they would have 12 feet and 6 eyes. I just can't figure out how or where it applies. It would work for other critters as well but, I'm still not getting anywhere.:confused:

As I'm writing this I'm remembering that Farmer Maggot had 3 dogs who protected his crops... Fang, Grip and Wolf!

12 legs and 6 eyes belonging to the 3 dogs that protect the Maggot farm is my guess.

[Keith K]

A new one.

Once high upon White,
Clear roads in my sight,
but now covered skies
Weltschmerz clouds my eyes,
This no one can revive,
I must go to die.

Arwen? She was Queen in the White Tower. And as a mortal she felt the world-weariness and died.

[Keith K]

I'm thinking 3 horses. Between them they would have 12 feet and 6 eyes. I just can't figure out how or where it applies. It would work for other critters as well but, I'm still not getting anywhere.:confused:

As I'm writing this I'm remembering that Farmer Maggot had 3 dogs who protected his crops... Fang, Grip and Wolf!

12 legs and 6 eyes belonging to the 3 dogs that protect the Maggot farm is my guess.

Noodles! Ninnyhammers! I was hoping to keep y'all busier with that one! Fang, Grip, & Wolf is correct. Well done, Wilhelm!

[Wilhelm]

Hey Keith,

Noodles! Ninnyhammers! I was hoping to keep y'all busier with that one! Fang, Grip, & Wolf is correct. Well done, Wilhelm!

Don't kid yourself it's an AWESOME riddle (well written too)

I could see that riddle taking a month of Sundays to solve - Solving it on the first attempt must be a Karma thing after how you kept us all agonizing over the Methedras riddle.

Cheers

Wil

[Wilhelm]

First an Exporter
Then a Traitor
A leader too...
Tricked he was
And finally murdered

Who is he?

The explanation of the answer is an important part of solving this one.

[EllethValatari]

Arwen? She was Queen in the White Tower. And as a mortal she felt the world-weariness and died.

Not exactly. First, weltschmerz can also refer to a sadness from the real world's dissimilarity to an ideal world. Also: while Arwen did die eventually, the riddle suggests a readiness to die:

I must go to die.

[CAB]

A new one.

Once high upon White,
Clear roads in my sight,
but now covered skies
Weltschmerz clouds my eyes,
This no one can revive,
I must go to die.
This sounds a lot like Eowyn to me.

[CAB]

First an Exporter
Then a Traitor
A leader too...
Tricked he was
And finally murdered

Who is he?

The explanation of the answer is an important part of solving this one.

Lotho sold pipe weed to people outside the Shire...
He helped Saruman's people take over the Shire...
He ruled the Shire as "Chief"...
Upon Saruman's arrival in the Shire, he took Lotho's authority from him and had him held prisoner in Bag End until...
He was killed by Grima Wormtongue

[Wilhelm]

Lotho sold pipe weed to people outside the Shire...
He helped Saruman's people take over the Shire...
He ruled the Shire as "Chief"...
Upon Saruman's arrival in the Shire, he took Lotho's authority from him and had him held prisoner in Bag End until...
He was killed by Grima Wormtongue

Your answer flows better than my riddle! :)

And of course is correct! :D

[EllethValatari]

This sounds a lot like Eowyn to me.

No, and for the same reason as Keith K's guess. The riddle suggests a readiness to die, but not necessarily for a good reason.

[EllethValatari]

Another one:

Presented clothed, hiding covered, dwindling slowly, traveling longer,
bringing bitterness, stirring anger: jealousy. trickery, mockery. gone.

[Wilhelm]

A new one.

Once high upon White,
Clear roads in my sight,
but now covered skies
Weltschmerz clouds my eyes,
This no one can revive,
I must go to die.

My guess... Turin Turambar

He dies for all the wrong reasons and at his own hand,

[EllethValatari]

nope! It's an LoTR riddle :)

[CAB]

A new one.

Once high upon White,
Clear roads in my sight,
but now covered skies
Weltschmerz clouds my eyes,
This no one can revive,
I must go to die.
Denethor was also in the White tower and died hopelessly under skies covered by Sauron's clouds.

[EllethValatari]

Denethor was also in the White tower and died hopelessly under skies covered by Sauron's clouds.

You got it! Yes, it's about Denethor...he was in the White Tower, then he was under skies covered by Sauron's clouds, and then he became depressed because he couldn't get ahold of the ring and saw no other way to overcome Sauron, then he killed himself. Good riddling!

[Keith K]

Here's a new one for y'all to have fun with.


I was not born to be a seer.
Or oracle to make things clear.
So writing is my best device
for sending out so much advice.
Some sure think I'm way to brash,
and what I write is naught but trash.


Good luck, riddlers!

[Keith K]

Another one:

Presented clothed, hiding covered, dwindling slowly, traveling longer,
bringing bitterness, stirring anger: jealousy. trickery, mockery. gone.

The Petty Dwarves have a history similar to these words. Not sure how the presented clothed thing fits though. I just wanted to guess something while I was here. :)

[CAB]

Thanks Elleth and Wilhelm.:)

I forgot that I had posted a riddle earlier:

Dark crowns in a giant green bowl,
Impatient sounds far below

For which Midge answered:
This is Entmoot. The dark crowns are the heads of the Ents, and the impatient sounds far below are coming from the little hobbits at their feet.
Which is a good guess, but not correct. Definitely on the right track concerning the “bowl”, but leaving the “crowns” part unanswered. Edit: rather, the "crowns" part was not what I had in mind

Another one:

Presented clothed, hiding covered, dwindling slowly, traveling longer,
bringing bitterness, stirring anger: jealousy. trickery, mockery. gone.
I think Petty Dwarves is a better answer, but this could also apply to Gollum, though the “Presented clothed” part is a problem here too.

[CAB]

Here's a new one for y'all to have fun with.


I was not born to be a seer.
Or oracle to make things clear.
So writing is my best device
for sending out so much advice.
Some sure think I'm way to brash,
and what I write is naught but trash.


Good luck, riddlers!
Frodo's aunt Dora Baggins...who apparently wrote many letters containing much advice, for which she received a trash can from Bilbo at his party.

[EllethValatari]

Thanks Elleth and Wilhelm.:)
I think Petty Dwarves is a better answer, but this could also apply to Gollum, though the “Presented clothed” part is a problem here too.

Yes, it is indeed a problem, and it's what makes those guesses wrong. :)

I can give a hint, but I want to see if anyone else has a guess.

[Keith K]

Thanks Elleth and Wilhelm.:)

I forgot that I had posted a riddle earlier:

Dark crowns in a giant green bowl,
Impatient sounds far below

For which Midge answered:

Which is a good guess, but not correct. Definitely on the right track concerning the “bowl”, but leaving the “crowns” part unanswered. Edit: rather, the "crowns" part was not what I had in mind

If it is truly Derndingle, with the hobbits far below, then the dark crowns must be the evergreen hedge surrounding the place. Unless it refers to the three silver birches at its center?

[Keith K]

I was not born to be a seer.
Or oracle to make things clear.
So writing is my best device
for sending out so much advice.
Some sure think I'm way to brash,
and what I write is naught but trash.

Frodo's aunt Dora Baggins...who apparently wrote many letters containing much advice, for which she received a trash can from Bilbo at his party.

That is exactly correct! Dora Baggins is the solution. Well done, Thurin! :)

[EllethValatari]

I'll post this again so you don't have to scroll all the way up:

Presented clothed, hiding covered, dwindling slowly, traveling longer,
bringing bitterness, stirring anger: jealousy. trickery, mockery. gone.

[Keith K]

Another one:

Presented clothed, hiding covered, dwindling slowly, traveling longer,
bringing bitterness, stirring anger: jealousy. trickery, mockery. gone.

The light of the Silmarils? They were presented clothed in crystal. Except for the slowly dwindling part they could cover the other clues.

This riddle concerns a thing rather than a person, doesn't it?

[Valandil]

:
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Dark crowns in a giant green bowl,
Impatient sounds far below

:
:
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Barrows of the Barrow Wights?

[Midge]

Another one:

Presented clothed, hiding covered, dwindling slowly, traveling longer,
bringing bitterness, stirring anger: jealousy. trickery, mockery. gone.

Funny, I was going to guess Bilbo - he was definitely clothed, and he hid covered by the Ring - he began to be "Well-preserved at 99", traveled after his 111th birthday, brought bitterness to Smaug as well as anger, and to the Dwarves too, and Gollum (he really caused a stir on his first trip!). Jealousy for Smaug and the trickery with the Arkenstone and he mocked the spiders.

He's also unfortunately no longer around.

[Keith K]

Funny, I was going to guess Bilbo - he was definitely clothed, and he hid covered by the Ring - he began to be "Well-preserved at 99", traveled after his 111th birthday, brought bitterness to Smaug as well as anger, and to the Dwarves too, and Gollum (he really caused a stir on his first trip!). Jealousy for Smaug and the trickery with the Arkenstone and he mocked the spiders.

He's also unfortunately no longer around.

Oooh! I really like this guess, Midge. :)

[Wilhelm]

Presented clothed, hiding covered, dwindling slowly, traveling longer,
bringing bitterness, stirring anger: jealousy. trickery, mockery. gone.

Is this Frodo's journey into Mordor?

He entered clothed, then lost some items after being taken captive and hid in Orc disguise, he dwindled under the power of the ring, the route was lengthened by the march towards the Black gate and the rest of it can all be tied back to march to the volcano and the encounters with Gollum (including "gone" when gollum falls into the crack of doom).

[Keith K]

Middle Earth Bargain Hunting?
Only an Entmoot riddling sleuth
can locate this place with a toll-less booth.

[EllethValatari]

The light of the Silmarils? They were presented clothed in crystal. Except for the slowly dwindling part they could cover the other clues.

This riddle concerns a thing rather than a person, doesn't it?

Yes, Keith, it does. But no, it's not the Light of the Simarils, or anything to do with the Simarils. As I said earlier, it's an LoTR quote :)

[Keith K]

Another one:

Presented clothed, hiding covered, dwindling slowly, traveling longer,
bringing bitterness, stirring anger: jealousy. trickery, mockery. gone.

Okay. It could be the Seven Rings of the Dwarves. I'll bet Sauron had his pants on when he handed them out! :D

[EllethValatari]

Okay. It could be the Seven Rings of the Dwarves. I'll bet Sauron had his pants on when he handed them out! :D

No, you guys are getting colder...here are my hints:

1. It's inanimate
2. It's from LoTR and possibly other places

[CAB]

Barrows of the Barrow Wights?
This is another excellent, yet incorrect, guess.

Hint: This is a The Hobbit riddle.

Middle Earth Bargain Hunting?
Only an Entmoot riddling sleuth
can locate this place with a toll-less booth.
Maybe you mean Thorin an Co's escape from the Elvenking's caverns? They avoided the ransom that the Elvenking surely would have demanded for their release (toll-less) by escaping in barrels (booths).

Another one:

Presented clothed, hiding covered, dwindling slowly, traveling longer,
bringing bitterness, stirring anger: jealousy. trickery, mockery. gone.
Wild guess: The pipe-weed that Merry or Pippin (can't remember which) recovered at Isengard that Saruman later took from him on the road.

[EllethValatari]

Presented clothed, hiding covered, dwindling slowly, traveling longer,
bringing bitterness, stirring anger: jealousy. trickery, mockery. gone.

Wild guess: The pipe-weed that Merry or Pippin (can't remember which) recovered at Isengard that Saruman later took from him on the road.

Getting warmer, but no! Same type of situation, though...

[Valandil]

Dark crowns in a giant green bowl,
Impatient sounds far below


OK - then it's Bilbo up in the tree in Mirkwood, seeing the emperor butterflies at the treetops - at a location where the ground sloped up all around (so he couldn't see far) - and the Dwarves were impatiently calling up to him to tell them what was going on.

:)

[CAB]

OK - then it's Bilbo up in the tree in Mirkwood, seeing the emperor butterflies at the treetops - at a location where the ground sloped up all around (so he couldn't see far) - and the Dwarves were impatiently calling up to him to tell them what was going on.

:)

Correct, sir!

[Wilhelm]

Presented clothed, hiding covered, dwindling slowly, traveling longer,
bringing bitterness, stirring anger: jealousy. trickery, mockery. gone.

Could this be Lembas?

[Keith K]

Could this be Lembas?

I was thinking lembas the other day, but I couldn't make it fit the clues.

[EllethValatari]

Could this be Lembas?

Yes, actually, it is. It was presented "clothed" in a leaf, it was "hiding" with Frodo and Sam as they traveled through Mordor, it dwindled slowly because it was so filling, it traveled longer because it dwindled slowly, Gollum hated it and thought all Hobbit food was bitter, or at least it made him bitter, it made him mad,
and then that built in with his jealousy of Frodo with the Ring caused him to take it, mock Sam, and throw it away.

[Keith K]

Middle Earth Bargain Hunting?
Only an Entmoot riddling sleuth
can locate this place with a toll-less booth.


Maybe you mean Thorin an Co's escape from the Elvenking's caverns? They avoided the ransom that the Elvenking surely would have demanded for their release (toll-less) by escaping in barrels (booths).

Nope. Those are not the correct booths. However, I suppose that there are some in Thorin & Co. who would know the answer. Thanks for guessing, Thurin.

Next!

[Keith K]

Yes, actually, it is. It was presented "clothed" in a leaf, it was "hiding" with Frodo and Sam as they traveled through Mordor, it dwindled slowly because it was so filling, it traveled longer because it dwindled slowly, Gollum hated it and thought all Hobbit food was bitter, or at least it made him bitter, it made him mad,
and then that built in with his jealousy of Frodo with the Ring caused him to take it, mock Sam, and throw it away.

Nice riddle, Elleth! Thanks for posting it. :)

[EllethValatari]

Only you can lead them through; awake the allegiance owed to you.

To answer this riddle, you must identify "you" and "through" what that person can lead them.

Riddle on, Riddlers! :confused:

[Midge]

I'll go with the obvious - you=Aragorn and through the Dwimorberg.

[EllethValatari]

I'll go with the obvious - you=Aragorn and through the Dwimorberg.

Correct! Easy riddle :)

[CAB]

Middle Earth Bargain Hunting?
Only an Entmoot riddling sleuth
can locate this place with a toll-less booth.



Nope. Those are not the correct booths. However, I suppose that there are some in Thorin & Co. who would know the answer. Thanks for guessing, Thurin.

Next!
How about Moria, then? It allowed passage from one side of the Misty Mts. to the other while avoiding the Beornings' tolls (they guarded the High Pass).

[Keith K]

How about Moria, then? It allowed passage from one side of the Misty Mts. to the other while avoiding the Beornings' tolls (they guarded the High Pass).

Good guess, Thorin & Co. would for sure know that. It's not the toll-less booth I am thinking of.

I should note that it is not so much as a toll, but rather a fee. In any case, it's a cost. As traders, the Dwarves might know of it, but Gandalf and Bilbo definitely would.

Thanks for trying. Please guess again.

[Wilhelm]

Yes, actually, it is. It was presented "clothed" in a leaf, it was "hiding" with Frodo and Sam as they traveled through Mordor, it dwindled slowly because it was so filling, it traveled longer because it dwindled slowly, Gollum hated it and thought all Hobbit food was bitter, or at least it made him bitter, it made him mad,
and then that built in with his jealousy of Frodo with the Ring caused him to take it, mock Sam, and throw it away.

I have a silly question... Please... no one take offense - I am not trying to discount this riddle in any way. It is a great riddle. I am simply questioning my own faculties.:o

Here's the question: In the books did Gollum throw away the Lembas? :confused: If so can you please point me at the passage.:o

I know he did in the movie but I have no recollection of it occurring in writing. When I was thinking if Lembas was the answer to the riddle I recalled the movie scene and the trickery/mockery that it represented but, could not (and still can't) recall or find the passage in the book where this happens.

As a matter of record, I have no issue with scenes from the movie being part of a riddle - it will open up some additional creative options. I think it makes our sandbox that little bit bigger.:D

[Valandil]

Sure he did. He crumbled them all over Sam. And then he through the rest down the mountain. And that's what made Frodo tell Sam to go home.

I SAW him do it... I KNOW he did it!!!


;)

[Midge]

Correct! Easy riddle :)

Oh. I was expecting that to be a wrong guess. I'm on a roll of wrong guesses lately.

Middle Earth Bargain Hunting?
Only an Entmoot riddling sleuth
can locate this place with a toll-less booth.

Huh. Would it be the door by which Bilbo escaped the Misty Mountains, and the "fee" was his buttons?

[Wilhelm]

Only an Entmoot riddling sleuth
can locate this place with a toll-less booth.

Yikes... There is not a lot to work with in this riddle....

Gandalf and Bilbo know it and it potentially costs something (at least until it becomes toll-less). It is probably in the Shire if Bilbo knows it and would predate the war of the ring (eliminating the redecorating done by Saruman)

A complete and total guess...

The Free Fair held during Lithe on the White Downs. Hobbits were "free" to set up "booths" to buy and sell things during the fair.

[Keith K]

Yikes... There is not a lot to work with in this riddle....

Gandalf and Bilbo know it and it potentially costs something (at least until it becomes toll-less). It is probably in the Shire if Bilbo knows it and would predate the war of the ring (eliminating the redecorating done by Saruman)

A complete and total guess...

The Free Fair held during Lithe on the White Downs. Hobbits were "free" to set up "booths" to buy and sell things during the fair.

The Free Fair it is! It was called the "free fair" because the merchants could set up their booths without charge. It is a rather obscure riddle, but you guys still figured it out.

Well done, Wil!

[Keith K]

Who Am I?
Devoted to the Valar
fourth of four
Third in line
in the days of yore.

[Valandil]

Who Am I?
Devoted to the Valar
fourth of four
Third in line
in the days of yore.

Oh - now that's hardly fair! :)

[Keith K]

Oh - now that's hardly fair! :)

Ha! Of course you know that was aimed at you, my dear Val.

It's not meant to be fair, but go ahead and let another riddler figure it out if you wish.

[Wilhelm]

Lying in wait
Bringer of fate

Before I move little shows
Where I come from know one knows

I killed the little ones friend
My fate remains unknowm come the end

Who am I??

I'd like to see an explanation with the answer.

[Keith K]

Lying in wait
Bringer of fate

Before I move little shows
Where I come from know one knows

I killed the little ones friend
My fate remains unknowm come the end

Who am I??

I'd like to see an explanation with the answer.

Ungoliant? She waited for the right moment to deliver the fate of the Two Trees. She isn't seen until she moves, when she is like a shadow. Not sure who she killed, but it is stated that her fate is unknown even though it is suggested that she devoured herself in her last hunger.

[Wilhelm]

Ungoliant is not what I had in mind. Please keep trying.

[CAB]

Who Am I?
Devoted to the Valar
fourth of four
Third in line
in the days of yore.
Valandil = Devoted to the Valar
He was the fourth and last son of Isildur
He was the third King of Arnor
and....umm...He lived a long time ago

Lying in wait
Bringer of fate

Before I move little shows
Where I come from know one knows

I killed the little ones friend
My fate remains unknowm come the end

Who am I??

I'd like to see an explanation with the answer.
The Watcher in the Water lies in wait
“Bringer of fate” could mean many things – I'm not sure how to reply to that line
It can't be seen before it moves
Even Gandalf has no knowledge of its origins
It killed the Dwarf Oin, who was one of Bilbo's friends from his first adventure
There is no news of it after it slams Moria's doors and uproots the great trees

[Keith K]

Here's another one.

Hero's sire.
Gourmet's desire.
His fate was rumored to be dire.
And even though he liked to sail,
drowned he was in heady ale.

[Keith K]

Devoted to the Valar
fourth of four
Third in line
in the days of yore.

Valandil = Devoted to the Valar
He was the fourth and last son of Isildur
He was the third King of Arnor
and....umm...He lived a long time ago

Yes! Valandil is the correct answer. Well done!

[Keith K]

The Watcher in the Water lies in wait
“Bringer of fate” could mean many things – I'm not sure how to reply to that line
It can't be seen before it moves
Even Gandalf has no knowledge of its origins
It killed the Dwarf Oin, who was one of Bilbo's friends from his first adventure
There is no news of it after it slams Moria's doors and uproots the great trees

Well, if it's not the Watcher then this riddle has more than one solution. Well done, Thurin! Great riddle, Wil!

[Wilhelm]

The Watcher in the Water lies in wait
“Bringer of fate” could mean many things – I'm not sure how to reply to that line
It can't be seen before it moves
Even Gandalf has no knowledge of its origins
It killed the Dwarf Oin, who was one of Bilbo's friends from his first adventure
There is no news of it after it slams Moria's doors and uproots the great trees

Bingo! The Watcher it is. :)

I really like your interpretation of "bringer of fate". It can mean many so many things as to be almost not a clue... but it rhymed nicely! :p My original rendition had it as "guardian of the gate" but, I felt that made it way too easy a riddle.

[Wilhelm]

Here's another one.

Hero's sire.
Gourmet's desire.
His fate was rumored to be dire.
And even though he liked to sail,
drowned he was in heady ale.


Awesome Riddle!!!!!!! :cool:

Drogo Baggins is the answer.

Heady Ale is A Hobbit pun for the Brandywine River (and the key to solving this very clever riddle)
Who drowned in the Brandywine? Frodo's Parents!
You refer to this person as "his" and "he" - Therefore Frodo's Dad: Drogo Baggins
Drogo liked to eat (gourmet's desire) and died in a boating accident (sail) which by all accounts is a dire fate.

[Keith K]

Awesome Riddle!!!!!!! :cool:

Drogo Baggins is the answer.

Heady Ale is A Hobbit pun for the Brandywine River (and the key to solving this very clever riddle)
Who drowned in the Brandywine? Frodo's Parents!
You refer to this person as "his" and "he" - Therefore Frodo's Dad: Drogo Baggins
Drogo liked to eat (gourmet's desire) and died in a boating accident (sail) which by all accounts is a dire fate.

I'm glad you liked it, Wil. :) Of course you are quite correct. Drogo Baggins fits the clues, and solves the riddle. Well done!

[Keith K]

Not one of my best efforts, but I wanted to use the subject somehow...then I got tired trying to make it interesting - so you guys can just have it as it is...

My first move was to remove, This affected the fates of many.
For my next feat I kept the mouths of the south at bay.
Finally I gave refuge, before I was swept far away.

Good luck, riddlers!

[EllethValatari]

Great light opposite west,
Round moving without rest.

Who/what am I?

[Wilhelm]

Great light opposite west,
Round moving without rest.

Who/what am I?

Sounds like the sun rising in the east - but that's not a "middle earth" answer.

Could it be Earendil heading to the undying lands with the silmaril to beg for the Valar's help against Morgoth.
Since he sailed west, the light would be coming from the east (from the perspective of the undying lands).

My other guess would still be Earendil but sailing the skies aboard vingilot after the war of wrath.

[Wilhelm]

My first move was to remove, This affected the fates of many.
For my next feat I kept the mouths of the south at bay.
Finally I gave refuge, before I was swept far away.


This sounds like it has something to do with water - mouths could refer to river mouths. Swept away could be a water thing as well.

I'll need a clue before I could even hazard a guess.

[EllethValatari]

Sounds like the sun rising in the east - but that's not a "middle earth" answer.

Could it be Earendil heading to the undying lands with the silmaril to beg for the Valar's help against Morgoth.
Since he sailed west, the light would be coming from the east (from the perspective of the undying lands).

My other guess would still be Earendil but sailing the skies aboard vingilot after the war of wrath.

No to both. But I'll give you a hint:

It's a play on what Tolkien usually uses light to signify.

And yes, this is a "middle earth" riddle :)

[CAB]

Great light opposite west,
Round moving without rest.

Who/what am I?
I am going to guess Gandalf. He was known to be constantly moving and could have been described by Tolkien as a "Great light".

[CAB]

Not one of my best efforts, but I wanted to use the subject somehow...then I got tired trying to make it interesting - so you guys can just have it as it is...

My first move was to remove, This affected the fates of many.
For my next feat I kept the mouths of the south at bay.
Finally I gave refuge, before I was swept far away.

Good luck, riddlers!
I'm stumped on this one too. It sounds like some of Gondor's rulers to me (removed the capital, "mouths" of the Harad, gave refuge to the people of Rohan, lost at sea), but not just one in particular who did all of this.:confused:

[Valandil]

Not one of my best efforts, but I wanted to use the subject somehow...then I got tired trying to make it interesting - so you guys can just have it as it is...

My first move was to remove, This affected the fates of many.
For my next feat I kept the mouths of the south at bay.
Finally I gave refuge, before I was swept far away.

Good luck, riddlers!

Tagging onto what Thurin had said, I wondered about the (5) Ship-Kings. But I wasn't sure that all the pieces fit.

[EllethValatari]

I am going to guess Gandalf. He was known to be constantly moving and could have been described by Tolkien as a "Great light".

No, and for the same reason as the previous guess. I'm playing off of what Tolkien usually uses light to signify (good), and using it to signify something not necessarily good.

[CAB]

No, and for the same reason as the previous guess. I'm playing off of what Tolkien usually uses light to signify (good), and using it to signify something not necessarily good.
Hmmm....How about the Eye of Sauron, then?
It was constantly moving, was certainly "not necessarily good" but could still be compared to a "light", and was physically "round" too (or so I assume).

[EllethValatari]

Hmmm....How about the Eye of Sauron, then?
It was constantly moving, was certainly "not necessarily good" but could still be compared to a "light", and was physically "round" too (or so I assume).

You got it! Great riddling!

[Keith K]

This sounds like it has something to do with water - mouths could refer to river mouths. Swept away could be a water thing as well.

I'll need a clue before I could even hazard a guess.

Water is a good place to begin in solving this poor riddle.

[Keith K]

I'm stumped on this one too. It sounds like some of Gondor's rulers to me (removed the capital, "mouths" of the Harad, gave refuge to the people of Rohan, lost at sea), but not just one in particular who did all of this.:confused:

It would be best for both you and Val to sail over and embrace Wil's water concept. Also, this is a First Age riddle. That should help narrow things down a bit.

[Wilhelm]

This is tough... I may be forcing my answer to fit the clues. This is the same answer I gave re EllethValatari's Eye of Sauron riddle so maybe I'm stuck on this answer but here goes...:o


Earendil

His first move was to be removed from Gondolin after it was sacked. He sought refuge at the Mouths of the Sirion in South Beleriand.

He was ultimately swept away on Vingilot in to the heavens to become the Evening Star.


As far as the additional clues go... Definitely a first age story and you did work in the word "Sail" - Earendil was a mariner.


.

[Keith K]

This is tough... I may be forcing my answer to fit the clues. This is the same answer I gave re EllethValatari's Eye of Sauron riddle so maybe I'm stuck on this answer but here goes...:o


Earendil

His first move was to be removed from Gondolin after it was sacked. He sought refuge at the Mouths of the Sirion in South Beleriand.

He was ultimately swept away on Vingilot in to the heavens to become the Evening Star.


As far as the additional clues go... Definitely a first age story and you did work in the word "Sail" - Earendil was a mariner.


.

It is not Earendil, although he would have been intimately, and personally familiar with the answer that I seek. Nice argument on trying to fit the clues, despite the fact it is incorrect. Please try again. :)

[Wilhelm]

I'm stumped. I can't even figure out if it's a person, place or thing that you're looking for.

Are you willing to provide additional clues?

[Keith K]

I'm stumped. I can't even figure out if it's a person, place or thing that you're looking for.

Are you willing to provide additional clues?

Well, it's not your fault that I posted such an unrefined, and poorly written riddle. In the meantime it would probably be helpful to look for the solution on a map of Beleriand.

I promise to write a better riddle next time. Thanks for guessing along. :)

[Wilhelm]

Well, it's not your fault that I posted such an unrefined, and poorly written riddle. In the meantime it would probably be helpful to look for the solution on a map of Beleriand.

I promise to write a better riddle next time. Thanks for guessing along. :)

I had a hunch that it was something geographical but chose to ignore my own inkling. I briefly thought the answer might be Beleriand itself. It's not a poorly written riddle I just couldn't identify a solid thing to grab hold of.

Still a long guess but...

The Isle of Balar

It was reputed to be a piece of the larger Tol Eressëa that was REMOVED when Ulmo pulled the rest of the island away.

It was in the bay of Balar near to the moth of the Sirion (moths of the south at bay)

It received the refuges from the Havens (gave refuge) and it slipped under the sea some time after the first age (swept away)

[Keith K]

I had a hunch that it was something geographical but chose to ignore my own inkling. I briefly thought the answer might be Beleriand itself. It's not a poorly written riddle I just couldn't identify a solid thing to grab hold of.

Still a long guess but...

The Isle of Balar

It was reputed to be a piece of the larger Tol Eressëa that was REMOVED when Ulmo pulled the rest of the island away.

It was in the bay of Balar near to the moth of the Sirion (moths of the south at bay)

It received the refuges from the Havens (gave refuge) and it slipped under the sea some time after the first age (swept away)

Yes, Balar is correct. I had always thought that it would be a great subject for a riddle. A moving island... That's pretty cool.

Also, it should be noted that the isle removed the Light Elves from Middle Earth and brought them to Valinor.

[EllethValatari]

*raises the Riddling Thread from the depths of the Middle Earth forum

Anyone have a new riddle? I'd make one up myself but it's 2 am here and I'm sure it would be horrid...

[Keith K]

Here's a riddle:

Seventh of seven, hallowed and holy.
Tallest of all, the rest are more lowly.

A light to unite, where once were old bones.
Now long removed from under the stones.

[Midge]

It's not Elendil? I'm not well-versed on my Ancient stuff, but that Tallest of all part makes me think of him.

[Wilhelm]

Elendil is a good guess - I can see how it would fit in many ways.

I know that Keith will be looking for explanations for your solution.

I heartily encourage you to fill these in.

[Keith K]

It's not Elendil? I'm not well-versed on my Ancient stuff, but that Tallest of all part makes me think of him.

Hello Midge, it's nice to see you here in the Riddling thread again! :)

While the solution is not Elendil, it is definitely a Dunedain riddle, what with the sevens and all. ;)

Also, always remember, ...you must be prepared to fit all of the clues to officially solve a Keith K riddle. :p :D

Greetings to you as well, Wilhelm! I concur with your comment. :)

[Wilhelm]

If Midge hadn't guessed Elendil I'm not sure I would have thought of my guess. If I'm right the credit goes to Midge.

I think the answer is Elendil's tomb! Amon Anwar. The 7th and tallest of the beacon hills, hallowed and holy as it contained the remains
of Elendil. It is the place where the alliance between Gondor and Rohan was formed (light to unite). Elendil's remains (old bones) were moved to Minas Tirith.

And greetings to you Keith. Another excellent riddle I might add.

I'm glad to see this thread has started up again.

[Keith K]

Well dang. You edited your original comment which I was witness to. Anyway, you solved the riddle in the course of your edit! Congratulations, You have found the solution! :)

It is also known as Halfirien, sacred to the Rohirrim as the site of the Oath. For it was to Amon Anwar, the Hill of Awe, that Eorl the Young was taken by Cirion, Steward of Gondor to swear the Oath. That place was the burial site of Elendil.

It was chosen by Isildur, High King of the Dunedain, for its more or less central location in the Kingdom of that people, and was a hallowed site that only the Kings (and those who accompanied them) were wont to tread.

The bones of Elendil, the last Lord of Andúnië, were later removed to Minas Tirith, and eventually Halfirien was defended as part of Rohan, even though it technically belonged to Gondor.

Well done, Wil. :)

[Wilhelm]

Well dang. You edited your original comment which I was witness to.

Guilty as charged...

I had written a note to encourage Midge to fill in the blanks and had just posted it when the solution popped in to my head. I thought it better to edit my original than have Midge do all the research on something that wasn't right. You jumped in somewhere in there.

I edited my original back to something similar and then answered with a new post. I think the thread continuity has been restored.

I will try to avoid editing live posts in the future.

[Keith K]

Here's a quickly written riddle created as I am being chauffeured though the mountains of West Virginia...

This "point of ice" that does not melt brought fear to foes when blows were dealt.

[Keith K]

Another quickie riddle for y'all to play with...

Twenty-fifth when counted from the first
He's the best of course of all the worst.
(some wrong been done, he done it first).

Author's note: poetry derived from The Torture Never Stops, by Frank Zappa.

[Wilhelm]

This "point of ice" that does not melt brought fear to foes when blows were dealt.

Ringil or Aeglos? Aeglos or Ringil?

I'll go with....

Aeglos (the translation fits better with the riddle)

Translates to Snow point. The spear of Gil-galad wielded by him during the last alliance.

[Keith K]

Ringil or Aeglos? Aeglos or Ringil?

I'll go with....

Aeglos (the translation fits better with the riddle)

Translates to Snow point. The spear of Gil-galad wielded by him during the last alliance.

You have hit on it with aeglos. I reckon I'm on an Elendil kick or something. :confused:

Well done!

[Wilhelm]

Another quickie riddle for y'all to play with...

Twenty-fifth when counted from the first
He's the best of course of all the worst.
(some wrong been done, he done it first).

Author's note: poetry derived from The Torture Never Stops, by Frank Zappa.

I really do not know but, I'll take a stab with... Sauron.

The only thing that comes to mind with 25 is the 25th of March. Which points to the destruction of the one ring and Sauron's end.

Sauron is the "best" (most loyal) of all of Melkor's followers (the worst) and since he joined with Melkor early on he was he would have had first opportunity to do wrong (likely starting as a spy for Melkor - reporting back on the actions of the Valar).

[Wilhelm]

Twenty-fifth when counted from the first
He's the best of course of all the worst.
(some wrong been done, he done it first).


And of course 10 minutes after I write my answer I get another idea which fits better to the riddle (and the Elendil kick that Keith K is on ;))

My revised guess is…


Ar-Pharazon

The 25th and most powerful King of Numenor (best of the worst)

He was the first to sail West from Numenor, breaking the ban of the Valar and attempt an assault on Valinor (and that just has to be wrong).

[Keith K]

And of course 10 minutes after I write my answer I get another idea which fits better to the riddle (and the Elendil kick that Keith K is on ;))

My revised guess is…


Ar-Pharazon

The 25th and most powerful King of Numenor (best of the worst)

He was the first to sail West from Numenor, breaking the ban of the Valar and attempt an assault on Valinor (and that just has to be wrong).

Yes! Ar Pharazon is correct. It is only fitting that this was guessed right - as I once again find myself traveling through W. Virginia, this time heading back south.

Perhaps another riddle will occur to me as I drive through these beautiful mountains? Stay tuned, Riddlers!

[Keith K]

Ok. This is a simple riddle with all these clues, but I really like this guy and wished to honor him with this little rhyme...

Faithful leader to the last
Refused to kiss old Sauron's ass.

Then with Helpers 1-2-3
He left his land and put to sea.

Heading Eastward from the shore
He was not seen forevermore.

[Wilhelm]

Ok. This is a simple riddle with all these clues, but I really like this guy and wished to honor him with this little rhyme...

Faithful leader to the last
Refused to kiss old Sauron's ass.

Then with Helpers 1-2-3
He left his land and put to sea.

Heading Eastward from the shore
He was not seen forevermore.

It sounds like the key the key to this one is Sailing "EAST". This would typically mean they left from Valinor on Numenor and were heading to Middle Earth.

And I'm sure that's just what Ar-Pharazon thought when Amandil sailed east from Numenor...

My guess is Amandil, the father of Elendil.

Faithful leader to the last
Refused to kiss old Sauron's ass.
(Amandil always remained faithful to the Valar and his relationship with Ar-Parazon started to falter when Sauron was brought to Numenor

Then with Helpers 1-2-3
He left his land and put to sea.
Amandil set sail from the island of Numenor with 3 servants

Heading Eastward from the shore
He was not seen forevermore.
Amandil started his voyage heading east (this was a feint - he later turned west). Amandil was never heard from again.

It is unclear if he succeeded in his mission to save the faithful Numenoreans from the punishment that the Valar would deliver in response to Ar-Pharazon's assault on Valinor. But... 9 ships carrying the faithful (including his family members) were spared from the destruction of Numenor.

[Keith K]

Hello Wil.

You are of course, quite correct. Amandil is the Faithful leader of the rhyme. :)

Thanks for participating in the Riddling Thread! :cool:

[Midge]

Riddle:

Through the garden wilderness,
Three travelers stop to take a rest -
One oblivious to everything,
One busy doing everything
One goes once, then goes twice.
Nice try - he won't go thrice!

This seems like it'll be easy, but it's on a different kick, so you'll have to think outside the Numenor box. Preferably the answer would include identifying each traveler and the three "goings", but if the "goings" are too difficult, that's all right.

[Keith K]

Riddle:

Through the garden wilderness,
Three travelers stop to take a rest -
One oblivious to everything,
One busy doing everything
One goes once, then goes twice.
Nice try - he won't go thrice!

This seems like it'll be easy, but it's on a different kick, so you'll have to think outside the Numenor box. Preferably the answer would include identifying each traveler and the three "goings", but if the "goings" are too difficult, that's all right.

I'm thinking of Bilbo and the Dwarves in Mirkwood. I am having a bit of trouble proving it, as I don't have my text available. :(

In any event, it concerns somebody sleeping it seems. And Bombur drank from sleep inducing streams...

[Midge]

Well, I won't make you search your text, because it isn't Bilbo and the Dwarves. There were quite a few more than three in that instance, if I remember correctly. Keep guessing.

Edit: Your guess about someone sleeping is correct. But there were lots of sleeping people in Middle Earth.

[EllethValatari]

Midge,

Makes me think of whatever happened with the Barrow-Dwights (or whatever they're called). Can't look it up right now but I just wanted to put that out there. Most likely dead wrong. :)

[EllethValatari]

Another MLW* answer, lines 3 and 4 make me think of Sam and Frodo after Frodo was stung by Shelob.

*Most likely wrong :)

[Midge]

Midge,

Makes me think of whatever happened with the Barrow-Dwights (or whatever they're called). Can't look it up right now but I just wanted to put that out there. Most likely dead wrong. :)

Indeed, dead wrong. :D

Another MLW* answer, lines 3 and 4 make me think of Sam and Frodo after Frodo was stung by Shelob.

*Most likely wrong :)

Ahh, we're getting quite a bit closer with this one. Shelob is absolutely wrong. I also need lines 1, 2, 5 and 6 explained. Keep thinking.

[Wilhelm]

Through the garden wilderness,
Three travelers stop to take a rest -
One oblivious to everything,
One busy doing everything
One goes once, then goes twice.
Nice try - he won't go thrice!

I'm thinking Frodo, Sam and Gollum in Ithilien. Of Herbs and Stewed Rabbit...

Ithilien is a Garden wilderness and I have mentioned 3 travelers.

Frodo is pretty much oblivious (sleeping) as he struggles with the ring. Sam is busy cooking the rabbits and making dinner. And Gollum goes once to catch rabbits, again to gather water (twice) but refuses to go on the potato/herb run for Sam (not thrice).

[Midge]

Indeed, Wilhelm! That solves it! Congrats.

I was impressed with myself this time - the riddle actually rhymed (kind of). Technically, Gollum got the water first, then the rabbits, but who's being picky?

:D

[Torongil]

I got a quick one too, I mostly made it for the ryming as it is pretty easy:

A worm lives in a hollow rock,
With two doors, one with a secret lock.

The unlucky number gets one more,
With out him they would not have survived the trip to the door.

The worm is killed, the mountain set free,
All by a stick from a tree.

To answer this riddle,
All you must do is make it simple.

[EllethValatari]

I got a quick one too, I mostly made it for the ryming as it is pretty easy:

A worm lives in a hollow rock,
With two doors, one with a secret lock.

The unlucky number gets one more,
With out him they would not have survived the trip to the door.

The worm is killed, the mountain set free,
All by a stick from a tree.

To answer this riddle,
All you must do is make it simple.

Worm-Balrog? though I've never seen them associated with worms :)
Secret Lock-the entrance to Moria
Hollow rock-Moria
Unlucky number-?
Stick from a tree-Grandalf's staff?


MLW ;)

[Torongil]

EllethValatari thats not the answer but good try. You must remember moria wasnt really free after the balrog was killed as it was still infested with orcs and trolls.

hmmmm.... maybe I should have wrote wyrm.

guess away!

[Wilhelm]

A worm lives in a hollow rock,
With two doors, one with a secret lock.

The unlucky number gets one more,
With out him they would not have survived the trip to the door.

The worm is killed, the mountain set free,
All by a stick from a tree.

To answer this riddle,
All you must do is make it simple.

A nice little riddle indeed.

The answer, I suspect, is as follows...

Smaug lived in a hollow mountain (rock) with two entrances (one of which is the secret way Bilbo uses to enter.

Bilbo is the 14th member of the party taking it past unlucky 13. The dwarves were indebted to Bilbo for his help in getting them to the Lonely mountain (not have survived).

Smaug is killed by an arrow (stick from a tree) which in turn sets the mountain free from it's previous tenant.

[Torongil]

Perfect Wilhem that is indeed the answer I was looking for! Good job!

[Keith K]

Wise in roots, without any boots.
Seek for me behind the three.

[bhager]

the think the answer is either (or both) the old gaffer, or samwise. they are gardeners, wore no shoes, as is the case with all shire-folk, and lived at #3 bagshot row.

[Keith K]

Wise in roots, without any boots.
Seek for me behind the three.


the think the answer is either (or both) the old gaffer, or samwise. they are gardeners, wore no shoes, as is the case with all shire-folk, and lived at #3 bagshot row.

I'm sure everyone here in the Riddling Thread will join me in welcoming my friend bhager to Entmoot. :)

He is of course quite correct. Hamfast Gamgee is the answer. Well done!

[Keith K]

Here's one for fun.

Eastern king.
Bound by ring.
Second of Nine (or so they sing).
Doused in spring.
Took to wing.
Doomed to end by Bar-B-Queing.

[Valandil]

Wise in roots, without any boots.
Seek for me behind the three.




I'm sure everyone here in the Riddling Thread will join me in welcoming my friend bhager to Entmoot. :)

He is of course quite correct. Hamfast Gamgee is the answer. Well done!

Yes! Welcome bhager! Great start - so solve one of Keith K's riddles.

Keith K - I'll let your latest pass for someone else... :)

[bhager]

Here's one for fun.

Eastern king.
Bound by ring.
Second of Nine (or so they sing).
Doused in spring.
Took to wing.
Doomed to end by Bar-B-Queing.

keith the answer is... drum roll please...Khamul, second in command of the Nazgul:)

[Keith K]

keith the answer is... drum roll please...Khamul, second in command of the Nazgul:)

Correct again, sir!

Khamul is the only Nazgul whose name has survived the ages. His name is recorded in Unfinished Tales, I believe.

[Keith K]

A Swine-Slaying-King's bane.

Good luck, riddlers!

[Wilhelm]

A warm welcome to Bhager...

I'm glad to see this thread come back to life.

"Back to life" unlike King Folca of Rohan who was killed by the Boar of Everholt. Folca was hunting the boar (which he did kill) when he was gored by the tusks of the animal and died.

I guess A Swine-Slaying-King's bane would be the tusks of the Boar of Everholt (or the boar itself if you prefer).

[Keith K]

A warm welcome to Bhager...

I'm glad to see this thread come back to life.

"Back to life" unlike King Folca of Rohan who was killed by the Boar of Everholt. Folca was hunting the boar (which he did kill) when he was gored by the tusks of the animal and died.

I guess A Swine-Slaying-King's bane would be the tusks of the Boar of Everholt (or the boar itself if you prefer).

The whole Boar will do just fine Wilhelm, my old riddling friend. Well done! :)

[Keith K]

Seven on watch over a sacred wood.
Two look East.
Three look Southeast.
Two look Northeast.

Authors note: To answer correctly you must name the guardians and the wood they protect.

[Keith K]

Here's a pillar that can be found
Where heavens crown the earthly bound.

Good luck, Riddlers!

[bhager]

Here's a pillar that can be found
Where heavens crown the earthly bound.

Good luck, Riddlers!

Is it the statue at the crossroads (the harad road and the road between Osgiliath and Minas Morgul)?:)

[Keith K]

Here's a pillar that can be found
Where heavens crown the earthly bound.

Is it the statue at the crossroads (the harad road and the road between Osgiliath and Minas Morgul)?:)

Nope.

[Wilhelm]

Seven on watch over a sacred wood.
Two look East.
Three look Southeast.
Two look Northeast

I will guess but may need some help from fellow riddlers to get all the pieces.

My theory is the banner of Gondor

The "wood" is the white tree
The "seven" are the stars on the banner (also representing ships/palantir escaping from Numenor).

I do not know what the looking East, Southeast or Northeast is referring to, unless it's the directions the ships went when escaping Numenor (East-ish from Numenor would make sense to get to Middle Earth).

Like I said it's a guess, and I may need some help...

[Keith K]

I will guess but may need some help from fellow riddlers to get all the pieces.

My theory is the banner of Gondor

The "wood" is the white tree
The "seven" are the stars on the banner (also representing ships/palantir escaping from Numenor).

I do not know what the looking East, Southeast or Northeast is referring to, unless it's the directions the ships went when escaping Numenor (East-ish from Numenor would make sense to get to Middle Earth).

Like I said it's a guess, and I may need some help...

While the solution is Gondoran in nature, you guys still have some thinking to do.

[Wilhelm]

While the solution is Gondoran in nature, you guys still have some thinking to do.

Thinking is done (I hope).

The 7 gates of Minas Tirith defend the white tree (if this is correct, I was partly right the first time).

The main gate and the the 7th gate face East (2)
The 2nd, 4th and 6th gate face Southeast, (3)
The 3rd and 5th gate face Northeast (2)
Gates 2 through 6 are laid out in a switchback configuration.

[Keith K]

Seven on watch over a sacred wood.
Two look East.
Three look Southeast.
Two look Northeast

Thinking is done (I hope).

The 7 gates of Minas Tirith defend the white tree (if this is correct, I was partly right the first time).

The main gate and the the 7th gate face East (2)
The 2nd, 4th and 6th gate face Southeast, (3)
The 3rd and 5th gate face Northeast (2)
Gates 2 through 6 are laid out in a switchback configuration.

Yes, you were part right the first time, and I was a bit unsure how to respond. I didn't want to give it away a bit at a time, so I settled on vagueness. :D

In any event, the Seven Gates of Gondor do defend the tree, and you are correct once more, (as usual). Great riddling!

[Wilhelm]

Hi Keith,

Yes, you were part right the first time, and I was a bit unsure how to respond. I didn't want to give it away a bit at a time, so I settled on vagueness.

Under the circumstances I heartily agree that vagueness was the only way to go.


Here's a pillar that can be found
Where heavens crown the earthly bound.


I do have a guess for this one but I have been quite greedy with the last several riddles and will leave this one to others (for a while at least).

[Wilhelm]

Here's a quick little riddle...

Lesser known of the three
Above a home to little people I should be

[Keith K]

I am not getting anywhere with Wil's riddle (outside of little chimneys), but I do have another one of my own to submit...

Thirteen times around the sun
After which youth is done.

Also, the Rock Riddle is yet unsolved:


Here's a pillar that can be found
Where heavens crown the earthly bound.

Now, where are the Riddlers of Entmoot? Come out! Come out! Riddling is fun and good for yer brain!

[EllethValatari]

I'm not ignoring this thread! I just look at it too late at night to be able to think of a logical answer...will guess tomorrow :)

[Midge]

Lesser known of the three
Above a home to little people I should be


"the three" sounds like the three elven rings. Gandalf had one of those and he hung around the hobbits quite a bit - possibly even above their homes. :D I'll guess the ring that Gandalf had - Narya?


Thirteen times around the sun
After which youth is done.

The tween years of the hobbits? From 20 to 33?


Here's a pillar that can be found
Where heavens crown the earthly bound.

I'm guessing that place between Lorien and Moria, where the crown of Durin can be seen in the pool? The spot is marked by a pillar, right? Let's see, was that called Mirrormere?

[Wilhelm]

"the three" sounds like the three elven rings. Gandalf had one of those and he hung around the hobbits quite a bit - possibly even above their homes. I'll guess the ring that Gandalf had - Narya?

A valiant attempt but, no. I think I'll give a hint. The little people I'm referring to are not hobbits.

[Keith K]

Hello Midge, and well met! Thank you, for answering my call! :)

Thirteen times around the sun
After which youth is done.

The tween years of the hobbits? From 20 to 33?


Correct! Tweens it is!


Here's a pillar that can be found
Where heavens crown the earthly bound.

I'm guessing that place between Lorien and Moria, where the crown of Durin can be seen in the pool? The spot is marked by a pillar, right? Let's see, was that called Mirrormere?

Yes, yes, and yes. The pillar is more formally known as Durin's Stone. It is told that a crown of stars may appear above the head of anyone looking in the water. It marks the spot where Durin first looked into the Mirrormere.

Well done, Midge! Thank you for participating! :)

[Keith K]

Here's a quick little riddle...

Lesser known of the three
Above a home to little people I should be


Wil, can you give us something to grab hold of with the "three"? Are they animal, mineral, or vegetable? :confused:

[Wilhelm]

Here's a pillar that can be found
Where heavens crown the earthly bound.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Midge View Post
I'm guessing that place between Lorien and Moria, where the crown of Durin can be seen in the pool? The spot is marked by a pillar, right? Let's see, was that called Mirrormere?
Yes, yes, and yes. The pillar is more formally known as Durin's Stone. It is told that a crown of stars may appear above the head of anyone looking in the water. It marks the spot where Durin first looked into the Mirrormere.


Wow. Was I wrong. I was thinking Meneltarma - the mountain in the centre of Numenor. I believe the translation of Meneltarma is "pillar of the heavens". It worked so well with your riddle. Well done Midge!

As far as a hint goes...

Lesser known of the three
Above a home to little people I should be

Yes I should, this is a tough one. I have already mentioned that the "little people" are not hobbits. I will also let you know that "the three" are geographical. If another clue is needed I can help identify the "home" but, I'll let it rest with the 2 clues that are out there. Let me know if you want the 3rd clue.

Good luck!

[Keith K]

In that case I will guess Fanuidhol, one of the Mountains of Moria. Cloudyhead, if you prefer.

[Wilhelm]

The 3rd clue is not required. Well done Mr. K!

Cloudyhead, Fanuidhol or even Bundushathûr is the answer I seek.

The Dwarven city of Khazad-dûm was built under 3 mountains. Silvertine, Redhorn and Cloudyhead. Cloudyhead we don't hear very much about. In contrast, Silvertine was the location of the Battle of the Peak and Redhorn was the Mountain/Pass that stopped the 9 walkers from going over the mountains.

It looks like we need more riddles!

[Keith K]

It looks like we need more riddles!

Okay.

Round I am.
My purpose to distort.
I bend the light, and stretch the truth.
A gift I am.
Left to make a beautiful point...



Good luck, riddlers!:evil:

[Earniel]

Hm, could that possibly be the mirror Bilbo left to cousin (?) Angelica?

[Wilhelm]

A quick guess...

The one ring

Round... it's a ring... check
Distort... Wearer perceives things differently.... check
Bend the light... Wearer becomes invisible.... check
Stretch the truth... long life and/or twists words... check
A gift... Smeagol's birthday present... check
Beautiful point... don't know... 5 out of 6 is pretty good.

[Keith K]

Round I am.
My purpose to distort.
I bend the light, and stretch the truth.
A gift I am.
Left to make a beautiful point...


A quick guess...

The one ring

Round... it's a ring... check
Distort... Wearer perceives things differently.... check
Bend the light... Wearer becomes invisible.... check
Stretch the truth... long life and/or twists words... check
A gift... Smeagol's birthday present... check
Beautiful point... don't know... 5 out of 6 is pretty good.

Yes, that is pretty good. :)

Except that our resident Ent expert Earniel, has done even better by guessing correctly. Angelica's mirror is the correct answer. :D

Jeeze, that didn't take long. Well done, Riddlers!

[Keith K]

First of five,
the beginning of the end.

Good luck, Riddlers!

[Midge]

I guess I could TRY posting one.

Late at night,
A quiet invite.
From a small height,
O'er drapes of white,
To the right,
A foaming might,
A shivery delight,
A beautiful sight;
A confusing plight.

A squishy bite,
An icky delight,
Makes eyes bright,
Makes fingers tight,
A treacherous fright!


I'm afraid I made it too easy, but I there were just SO many things that fit here. :D

[Keith K]

I guess I could TRY posting one.

Late at night,
A quiet invite.
From a small height,
O'er drapes of white,
To the right,
A foaming might,
A shivery delight,
A beautiful sight;
A confusing plight.

A squishy bite,
An icky delight,
Makes eyes bright,
Makes fingers tight,
A treacherous fright!


I'm afraid I made it too easy, but I there were just SO many things that fit here. :D

These things recall to me a scene with Faramir, Frodo, Sam and Gollum present. It was under a moon near a fall, with Gollum fishing from a forbidden pool in Ithilien.

[Valandil]

Hah! And the place you took your QUOTE from!!! :D

[Midge]

That is indeed what I was thinking of - the first section describing the scene from the top of the waterfall and the second describing things from Gollum's point of view. I actually posted a quote in the other game thread that was from this same scene!

Edit: I didn't read Val's post - stinking new pages - but you caught me, Val!

[Wilhelm]

First of five,
the beginning of the end.

A shot in the dark... Saruman. The first of the 5 Istari to arrive in Middle Earth was Saruman. The Istari brought about the end of Sauron.

[Keith K]

A shot in the dark... Saruman. The first of the 5 Istari to arrive in Middle Earth was Saruman. The Istari brought about the end of Sauron.

A valiant attempt my clever friend, but the Istari are not among the five that will solve this Third Age riddle.

Keep thinking.

[Wilhelm]

First of five,
the beginning of the end.

I don't think this is right but, I might as well eliminate it from the possibilities.

Thorin Oakenshield and Company.

Thorin and company were the first "army" to arrive at the battle area of the "Battle of the 5 armies". This was the first step that brought about the end of Smaug and/or the Orc army. Since Bilbo was involved - the finding of the ring is also the first step in "ending" Sauron.

[Keith K]

Who Am I?
First of five,
the beginning of the end.

I don't think this is right but, I might as well eliminate it from the possibilities.

Thorin Oakenshield and Company.

Thorin and company were the first "army" to arrive at the battle area of the "Battle of the 5 armies". This was the first step that brought about the end of Smaug and/or the Orc army. Since Bilbo was involved - the finding of the ring is also the first step in "ending" Sauron.

First of all, you are right about being wrong. Thorin's army is not the first of the five I seek. Consider it eliminated.

Also, eliminate the ending of Sauron as part of the solution. He has nothing to do with this whatsoever.

Keep thinking. I don't want to discredit the Riddlers of Entmoot by giving out clues on this one. I'm confident that y'all will solve it as it sits without any extra help.

I will say that it's not anything too far out there, as far as the solution goes. Pretty straight forward, actually. So don't bruise your poor brains on it by dreaming up elaborate scenarios. Muahhh! :evil:

[Keith K]

What, to a hobbit's mind is useless, worthless, and precious all at once?

[bhager]

What, to a hobbit's mind is useless, worthless, and precious all at once?

could this be a "mathom" ? an object with no use but a hobbit is unwilling to part with.

[bhager]

First of five,
the beginning of the end.

Good luck, Riddlers!

could Bilbo be the first of five? "The Tale of Five Hobbits" is one of the titles of Bilbo's part of the Big Red Book. It is found in the first few pages of the last chapter, The Grey Havens, when Frodo is handing over the keys to Bag End to Sam, the beginning of the end.

[Keith K]

Hobbit Psychology 101
What, to a hobbit's mind is useless, worthless, and precious all at once?

could this be a "mathom" ? an object with no use but a hobbit is unwilling to part with.

It could indeed. You reasoned that one out well, my friend. Mathom is the answer!