Hobbit movie plot ideas

[Jon S.]

I just read an interesting set of plot suggestions by some English guy. Many of them were quite good and well thought through. How about ours?

I think the movie would start out well with a brief scene of Gandalf, within the Necromancer's lair, retrieving Thrain's golden key. Then it could cut immediately to the Shire, providing a vivid contrast laden with possibilities.

I also think Beorn must go the way of Bombadil in PJ's LOTR. He's just not the right shape-shifter for the film version.

[Earniel]

I'd hate to see Beorn go the way of Bombadil. While it can be argued that Bombadil didn't fit the style of the further chapters in LoTR, Beorn fits in much better in the Hobbit. His home with horses and dogs serving food and the bee hives outside might be a very interesting visual in the movie. Although one not easy to pull off, I fear.

Another possible opening is Gandalf's meeting with Thorin that is described in UT, I believe.

[Jon S.]

I just don't see how cutting away from ongoing plot for a minimum of 10 minutes (and likely more) to showcase horse and dog waiters and waitresses can work for the film unless it's more Disney than not and that's not an outcome I'd prefer. That being said, if it's included, that's fine, too. :)

As a brief aside, I dig how Tolkien made his shape-shifter one of the good guys. I think he was creative and outside-of-the-box in doing that. Most of the time, e.g., Brooks, the shape-shifters are cast as evil demon spawn!

Personally, I'd handle Gandalf's meeting with Thorin as a flashback, perhaps while the company has just escaped the trolls and is approaching Rivendell.

BTW, the guy I cited in my opening post proposes opening the film, if I remember correctly, with a brief sequence of Bilbo leaving home for a stroll about the Shire, saying a brief hello to the Gaffer and several other friends in the process, culminating with him climbing a hill to gaze wistfully at the mountains (perhaps whispering something like, "Some day, I'll visit those mountains") so as to emphasize his repressed Tookishness proclivity for adventure, before returning home at dusk for the safety and comfort of his wonderful Hobbit hole. That could work, too!

[Curubethion]

Beorn is a much better fit for TH. He actually has something to do with the plot exposition, and he's an awesome fighter in his later scene...so yeah, he does come back. As opposed to Tom, who popped in for one chapter and then vanished, essentially.

The horse and dog waiters and waitresses are really a minor part of Beorn, his part can be modified.

[Jon S.]

Good points. P.S. I got tix for the Yanks-Red Sox in the Bronx on the 4th of July. Not that I have a dog in that fight (I can't get too excited about a pair of teams in an new upstart league that didn't even begin playing ball until the 20th century ;) ) but I've got to visit Yankee Stadium before it's too late.

[Earniel]

I just like the image of the horses and dogs in Beorn's house, but I don't think it has to be necessarily all Disney for that. It has a strong fairy tale element, that's all. The visit to Beorn could be a welcome break story-wise from getting attacked by trolls, getting attacked by orcs, getting attacked by wargs ect... Depending on how it's handled, of course.

Besides, Beorn not only provided the company with horses until they get to Mirkwood (although arguably this can be cut, they worked around the hobbits without their barrow swords too) but as Curubethion said, he also shows up for the final battle, and that could be an interesting visual asset to the battle: a giant bear, battling orcs and saving Thorin from battle. If I was working at the Weta Workshop, I'd love to do that. :D

[Jon S.]

Earniel, you're winning me over on Beorn - "bring on the bear!" :D

[Earniel]

Glad to hear. ;)

What do you think they'll do with Gandalf's absense in the quest? We later learn he went to help driving away of Sauron from Dol Guldur. Would they use it in the movie?

[Jon S.]

Personally, given the two-movie plan, the "bridging" built into the concepts, and the number of people who have already seen or read the LOTR movies or book, I can't imagine them not using it (but that's just me).

[Jon S.]

I just read an interesting set of plot suggestions by some English guy. Many of them were quite good and well thought through.
Here's the URL - check it out!

http://www.storyscape.net/hobbit_screenplay.html

[tolkienfan]

Here's the URL - check it out!

http://www.storyscape.net/hobbit_screenplay.html

It's clear that the guy did think things through when he made his suggestions. I think a lot of them were quite good. I'm not convinced about the 2nd Bridge movie. I just don't think there's enough material to warrent it's own movie. I don't see why it is needed either... Gandalf explains most everything in the beginning of the Fellowship.

[Jon S.]

I don't see why it is needed either... Gandalf explains most everything in the beginning of the Fellowship.
[shocked] What?! You've never heard of $$$?! :eek: [/unshocked]

;)

[Kennashi]

Though it should be interesting since I'll have 5 instead of four movies to watch back-to-back when I'm craving for a quick recap movie session (The Hobbit, prequel movie, then LOTR):D. It'll be great! For me, at least.:p

[Jon S.]

Actually, as long as the movies keep selling at the box office, there could be an almost inexhaustable array of them given the Simarillion. I'm not necessarily saying this would be a good thing, only commenting on the Hollywood fact that when there's a genre that can be branded and a track record of selling, e.g., James Bond, Star Wars, Star Trek, Austin Powers, etc., the nature of capitalism is that more are produced. In the case of LOTR, The Hobbit, the bridge films, and prequels (e.g., Simarillion-based), the genre/brand is "Middle Earth."

[Rían]

Hmm, interesting idea ...

How about an opening similar to FOTR, with a flashback and a voiceover narrative? Maybe the Thorin/Gandy meeting, like Earniel suggested. This would kind of keep a similar "theme".
Eh, I don't know, maybe not...

Anyway, I think you could do the pony servant thing as an interesting background during an exposition-type scene where things have to be explained.

I don't know why they think they need 2 movies, though.

And yes, there's tons of material in the Sil, if the Hobbit goes over well.

Anyway, I'm hopeful for at least a semi-enjoyable film. When is it supposed to come out? Probably no date set yet.

[Kennashi]

The Sil?? No no no no...I hope to God that will never EVER come to pass...NO. Would people keep in mind that the Sil is a book of entire histories and mythologies?? Trying to cover all of Middle-earth's history in a series of films would be a mess! It's like trying to put the entire bible on film, it's just not done!
Besides, you guys know that Christopher will never let anyone touch the film rights to that as long as he's alive...and I would like it kept that way. Some things are just not meant to see the silver screen.

[Jon S.]

It's like trying to put the entire bible on film, it's just not done!
Mel Brooks did a pretty good job with it. ;)

Actually, what people are thinking of - at least what I'm thinking of - is not a movie called "The Simarillion," any more than a movie called "The Bible."

I'm thinking of telling stories from the Simarillion on film. Think of the functional equivalent of The 10 Commandments, etc.

[The Gaffer]

There's a problem with prequel material for the Hobbit, though, in that I think it's stretching credulity to believe that Gandalf seriously thought a bunch of dwarves and a burrahobbit would have a whelk's chance in a supernova of bringing down Smaug.

Better to play it in the "Road goes ever on" type stylee without too much explanation, I think.

[Rían]

The Sil?? No no no no...I hope to God that will never EVER come to pass...NO. Would people keep in mind that the Sil is a book of entire histories and mythologies?? Yes, we all know that here - I said "tons of material IN the Sil" - like what Jon S said, you would pick out individual stories. I wasn't saying it was a good or bad idea, I was just noting that I'm sure it's being considered since LOTR did so well and movie people like money.


Besides, you guys know that Christopher will never let anyone touch the film rights to that as long as he's alive...and I would like it kept that way. Some things are just not meant to see the silver screen.I don't know ... if the Hobbit is a hit like LOTR, and Chris gets a little short on cash ...

[Rían]

There's a problem with prequel material for the Hobbit, though, in that I think it's stretching credulity to believe that Gandalf seriously thought a bunch of dwarves and a burrahobbit would have a whelk's chance in a supernova of bringing down Smaug.
Yes, maybe it's a bit of a stretch for non-LOTR fans, but you could do the scenes from "The Quest of Erebor" in Unfinished Tales ...

Gandy - "Suddenly in my mind these three things came together : the great Dragon with his lust, and his keen hearing and scent; the sturdy heavy-booted Dwarves with their old burning grudge; and the quick, soft-footed Hobbit, sick at heart (I guessed) for a sight of the wide world ..." ... "I knew in my heart that Bilbo must go with him, or the whole quest would be a failure ..."

Then throw in quotes about even the Wise don't know all ends, and the great and the small,etc.

The more I think about it, the more I kinda like it - show stuff brewing in the background - shots of the Dragon's rage and destruction against shots of Bilbo growing up in the peaceful Shire, shots of the Dwarves getting slaughtered as they came out of the gate against shots of Bilbo growing up in the peaceful Shire, all with a Gandy voice-over with those quotes. Kind of a sense of impending doom heading towards Bilbo...



Or not! We'll see.

[The Gaffer]

I suppose so, if you can get audiences to believe that Frodo and Sam could take down Sauron, you can get them to believe in Bilbo versus the dragon.

Though if they show the UT scene from Bree, they might wonder what Barly was putting in his mead for them to come up with that scheme, even with the beer goggles on.

The morning after:

Gandalf: "Moan! Oh my head..."
Thorin (Dwarf constitution gives +4 versus hangovers): "Right, I'm off to act on our plan."
Gandalf: "Eurrrgh... whatever... just pass the water before you go. What plan? ... Oh he's gone. zzzzz"

[Rían]

True! :D

Or you could do the same thing as far as showing the dragon's rampages and the dwarves getting slaughtered, and do Gandy's voice in the background: "Dratted hobbits! Confound them all! Hey ..." and then cut to a shot of Bilbo ... :evil:

[Curubethion]

Yes, we all know that here - I said "tons of material IN the Sil" - like what Jon S said, you would pick out individual stories. I wasn't saying it was a good or bad idea, I was just noting that I'm sure it's being considered since LOTR did so well and movie people like money.

There's some stuff in there I would really love to see. The Fall of Gondolin and the Akallabeth? Oh yeah.

[Kennashi]

Mel Brooks did a pretty good job with it. ;)

Actually, what people are thinking of - at least what I'm thinking of - is not a movie called "The Simarillion," any more than a movie called "The Bible."

I'm thinking of telling stories from the Simarillion on film. Think of the functional equivalent of The 10 Commandments, etc.Which film did Mel do?:confused:

Actually, what people are thinking of - at least what I'm thinking of - is not a movie called "The Simarillion," any more than a movie called "The Bible."

I'm thinking of telling stories from the Simarillion on film. Think of the functional equivalent of The 10 Commandments, etc.No, see, the reason why people do movies based on the bible is because the director/writer already assumes the audience's familiarity with the damned book, I mean c'mon, who hasn't heard of THE BIBLE? Films based on, say, Thingol and Melian would just be fanservice for people who are already Tolkien aficionados, the same way films based on the bible are just recaps of what people already know!

[Curufin]

There's some stuff in there I would really love to see. The Fall of Gondolin and the Akallabeth? Oh yeah.

You couldn't do either without giving the rest of the backstory.

If you did the Fall of Gondolin, you'd have to explain who Turgon is, why he's in ME in the first place...all the way back to Aman.

I'd slit my throat before I'd vote for any more of Tolkien's works to be butchered on the screen...

[Jon S.]

Which film did Mel do?:confused:

History of the World: Part I. Not the Bible per se but all of history including biblical themes, sorry for any confusion.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082517/

Which film did Mel do?:confused:

No, see, the reason why people do movies based on the bible is because the director/writer already assumes the audience's familiarity with the damned book, I mean c'mon, who hasn't heard of THE BIBLE? Films based on, say, Thingol and Melian would just be fanservice for people who are already Tolkien aficionados, the same way films based on the bible are just recaps of what people already know!

No, see, the reason people continue to attend sequels in huge numbers, like for 5 super quick examples, James Bond, Star Trek, Star Wars, Indiana Jones, and Austin Powers, has zero to do with any audience familiarity with the damn stories (sorry for "damn" - I'm shooting for parallel paragraph structure in my response ;) ).

This is why I stressed, earlier, the branding of "Middle Earth," its races, and characters (and no, not every character needs to literally repeat, rather, what repeats are the motifs).

[Coffeehouse]

Actually, as long as the movies keep selling at the box office, there could be an almost inexhaustable array of them given the Simarillion. I'm not necessarily saying this would be a good thing, only commenting on the Hollywood fact that when there's a genre that can be branded and a track record of selling, e.g., James Bond, Star Wars, Star Trek, Austin Powers, etc., the nature of capitalism is that more are produced. In the case of LOTR, The Hobbit, the bridge films, and prequels (e.g., Simarillion-based), the genre/brand is "Middle Earth."

You're right, the array is indeed almost inexhaustible, but if it does happen, that movies are made not only about the Hobbit, but also other stories in the Middle Earth genre, I really hope it is made properly. I fear however that it won't be.

Now, I know there are alot of anti-LOTR movie people here in the forum (won't be naming names:rolleyes:), and I can see their point; which seems to be that all the rich detail and interesting subplots of LOTR is washed away into a high-speed, action thriller, with lines spoken by Pippin in the book suddenly become Sam's in the movie. I get that.
But seeing the movies in such a light is hopeless because you can't compare any movie to the book, because the two are completely different ways of conveying a story.
I think what Peter Jackson and his team is so well-thought out and thoroughly made that one should not forget how incredibly well he actually captured elements of the book. The scenery for one. The Shire, Rivendell, Moria, Lothlorien, Minas Tirith, Helms Deep, Fangorn, Mordor. It's all there and I was simply amazed that images I had in my mind as a 11-year old reading the Two Towers was there, in physical manifestation, on the screen in the movie. As if PJ himself went into my brain, took pictures of my mental imaginations on Middle Earth, and just pasted it onto the screen:rolleyes:

What I'm fearful of though is that too many movies are made, because in the end the quality will fall. Peter Jackson was good, but he was also lucky to have such a enormously large crew behind him in what is of course one of the most popular stories of all time, LOTR. The Hobbit is popular but not even close. The Silmarillion. Well we all know how popular it is. And the point I'm making is that the immense pressures on quality and the immense support, willingness, dedication, time spending and Cash involved in the LOTR movies just won't be there in such massive numbers (bar The Hobbit, which I think can get really good because it's riding on the tide of LOTR).

So I actually hope they stop after the Hobbit. If this spurs an array of movies, or even worse, a series (!:eek:! Please no!), then we're going downhill.

(P.S., For those anti-LOTR movie people in here: Nobody's gonna change your mind on you disliking the movies, but think about this: You don't need to substitute the movie for the book to like it. The book is THE BOOK, but the movie can be like an add-on, a spice, a visual of many of the things in LOTR which would be cool to see "live", and which through Peter Jackson's movies indeed have come to life! I guess there are a few die-harders who for some confused reason though seems to believe that a near-dogmatic dedication to the book at the price of slaughtering the movie, is somehow honouring Tolkien. Which I would say: Wrong, part of why Tolkien wrote was because he wanted to be able to fully convey his magical world to the real world. With these movies it has been done with a touch of quality:))

[Jon S.]

To paraphrase Woody Allen, a movie based on Middle Earth is like sex without love: "an empty experience, but as empty experiences go, it's one of the best."

Seriously! :D

[Curufin]

With these movies it has been done with a touch of quality

*feels ill with the intensity of her disagreement*

But I'll leave you philistines to your discussion. :p

[Jon S.]

For those anti-LOTR movie people in here: Nobody's gonna change your mind on you disliking the movies, but think about this: You don't need to substitute the movie for the book to like it. The book is THE BOOK, but the movie can be like an add-on, a spice, a visual of many of the things in LOTR which would be cool to see "live", and which through Peter Jackson's movies indeed have come to life! I guess there are a few die-harders who for some confused reason though seems to believe that a near-dogmatic dedication to the book at the price of slaughtering the movie, is somehow honouring Tolkien. Which I would say: Wrong, part of why Tolkien wrote was because he wanted to be able to fully convey his magical world to the real world. With these movies it has been done with a touch of quality:))
I'm with you 100%, Bro' - "Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good."

[Coffeehouse]

*feels ill with the intensity of her disagreement*

But I'll leave you philistines to your discussion. :p

"Philistinism is a derogatory term used to describe a particular attitude or set of values. A person called a Philistine (in the relevant sense), is said to despise or undervalue art, beauty, intellectual content, and/or spiritual values. Philistines are also said to be materialistic, to favor conventional social values unthinkingly, and to favor forms of art that have a cheap and easy appeal (e.g. kitsch)." (Source: Wikipedia:rolleyes:)

Ouch. But read my P.S. comment and you'll find my response to that:)

I'm with you 100%, Bro' - "Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good."

Well put!

[Rían]

There were a lot of things that I didn't like about the LOTR movies, but I'm not militaristic about it. When I get to a part I don't like, I just kind of put my eyes on hold and substitute the real thing in my mind, and I enjoy all the parts that I think they DID get right, because it reminds me of the story that I love.

I doubt if any of the stories of the Sil will get put into a movie, but if they do, I don't think they would need to go all the way back to the beginning. I think they could do something like at the beginning of FOTR, which I ended up liking the concept of more and more as I saw it more (despite the goofy parts in it).

[Jon S.]

Once you get the teeming masses (Phillistine or otherwise :eek: ;) ) hooked on Tolkien's world in general, they will run each other over to be first to attend the latest "based a book or story by Tolkien" movie. There are just so many excellent tales in the Simarillion to choose from, the issue is not whether material exists but how to make the choice!

BTW, I was rereading the Simarillion last night before bedtime and damned if I didn't come across a quote by Varda that I think nails "who or what was Huan" as per my earlier thread of that title in the Simarillion section. If I can't find the time, I'll post the specific quote there tonight.

[Insidious Rex]

Philistines unite...

I cant imagine that they would make any Silmarillion movies. I don’t see how they could really make it work. Lets not be blind just because we are wonks. No ones ever heard of the Silmarillion outside of Tolkien circles so I seriously doubt any big studio would back a pure Silmarillion movie without reserving the right to completely hollywoodize it to death. Its very much like trying to make a movie out of Le Morte d'Arthur. You cant really do it directly because of the epic nature of it (nevermind the staggering complexity of the back story and the interrelatedness of all the characters that you have in the Sil). You have to pick and choose what you include and how you show it and you end up getting stuff like King Arthur, a completely western/Hollywood vehicle which was fine I guess but it was NOT Le Morte d'Arthur. And for those purists who think Jackson butchered Tolkiens work wait till Hollywood gets a hold of the Silmarillion! Youll barely recognize it. Brad Pitt as Turin anyone?

And I don’t know if the general public that enjoyed Jackson’s movies would be able to stomach on screen what is essentially a complex dark tragic Shakespearian soap opera, arcane and heavy (aspects that make it appealing in book form in my opinion). I don’t see it appealing to any one single demographic and that’s death in the movie industry. They would lose their shirts.

[Rían]

Lets not be blind just because we are wonks. :D

No ones ever heard of the Silmarillion outside of Tolkien circles so I seriously doubt any big studio would back a pure Silmarillion movie without reserving the right to completely hollywoodize it to death. Hey, Lucas got away with Star Wars prequels! This would be a LOTR prequel ... :D

Its very much like trying to make a movie out of Le Morte d'Arthur. You cant really do it directly because of the epic nature of it (nevermind the staggering complexity of the back story and the interrelatedness of all the characters that you have in the Sil). I think you could do the story of Gondolin pretty well as a movie. Start with a flashback sequence (what was it called that they did at the beginning of FOTR? Can't remember what it's called) of straggling elves coming into ME, then building a city, and then rolling up the welcome mat and hiding away. Then the main story is about Tuor and how he finally made it to Gondolin, and then of course the love story with Idril and the menacing Meglin, and the birth of Earendil, then *ominous music* the betrayal of Meglin, then a massive war and finally the few escapees and Glorfindel's fight with the Balrog, and ending with a shot of Earendil grown up and married and holding his newborn ... Mr. Smith/Elrond!!!! :D Then Idril taking one look at the baby version of Hugo Weaving and turning into a bird and flying away while Tuor flees Middle Earth :D (JRRT got those last details a little wrong in his version, I think - these were the real ones :D ).

OK, well, maybe not that last bit ... but ending with a straggling group of refugees with Earendil in their midst and some voiceover blurb about "this line being preserved through the ages and pops up again in our movie FOTR - be sure to buy the extended version DVD!" or something like that.

(oh, and we really should add in a quick scene with Tuor's mum, RIAN! - obviously played by a gorgeous actress ... *modest look* )

Youll barely recognize it. Brad Pitt as Turin anyone? We had a thread on that once ...

[Jon S.]

You folks who are saying it can't be done, my apologies, but you're either not seeing it because you don't want to (you fear the results) or you're just not opening your creative selves.

Narrator opens with brief, though longer than typical, "voice-over visuals" of the Valar shaping Arda and Yavanna creating the Two Trees, Feanor crafting the Simarils, and Melkor and Ungoliant destroying the trees, assasinating Finwe, and stealing the Simarils.

Then the movie - or movies - resume and tell the story.

Obviously, either you have many movies or fewer but with a ton of theatric "compression" but either way, it is absolutely doable. Assuming one highly compressed movie, it is also possible to drop hints throughout the movie of subplots to be fleshed out more fully in subsequent movies.

Many will not relish the thought of the above occuring but that is a separate issue of whether it can be done.

Final thought for this post: The Simarillion is a darn cool word and it'll make a darn cool movie name.

[Earniel]

we're getting a little off-topic here. May I redirect the discussion of a silmarillion movie to the Silmarillion forum? This thread (http://entmoot.tolkientrail.com/showthread.php?t=9409) for example, would do nicely. :)

[Kennashi]

No, see, the reason people continue to attend sequels in huge numbers, like for 5 super quick examples, James Bond, Star Trek, Star Wars, Indiana Jones, and Austin Powers, has zero to do with any audience familiarity with the damn stories
What I'm saying is that taking a random story from the Sil and putting it on the silver screen would confuse a casual movie-goer with the same amount of confusion that would be present if a person who has never read the bible went to go see the Ten Commandments. What's the appeal?
P.S. I wonder who they're gonna cast as Luthien?:rolleyes:
(sorry for "damn" - I'm shooting for parallel paragraph structure in my response ;) ).
:D

[Kennashi]

Oh, sorry, Earniel, I just had to wrap up that issue there...
In any case, has anyone seen this?
http://www-images.theonering.net/torwp/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/hobbit-chat-letter.jpg
Sorry I didn't post this earlier...:o

[GrayMouser]

Just wondering about the second "Hobbit" movie:

Gandalf and Aragorn do whatever outside the Shire: Frodo takes a walk.

Gandalf, Aragorn, White Council, do whatever- Frodo dodges Lobelia.

Great events in Middle-Earth: Nine Riders reappear etc.

Frodo has small party for Bilbo's Birthday.
And so on...

[Curubethion]

The second movie...the question is, what does it need to fill in?

--That Saruman has been pushing the question of the Ring aside
--Frodo gets adopted by Bilbo
--The Sackville-Baggins setup
--Gandalf's acquaintance with Aragorn
--The Hunt for Gollum, perhaps?

[Ingwe]

I'm sure a lot of the events of this time taking place in Mirkwood will be pointed at, hopefully.

[BeardofPants]

Very appropos comic from Penny Arcade (http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2008/5/28/apprehension/). :D

[Jon S.]

Someone is writing a brand new movie plot to fill the time between two books of fiction, OMG, the sky is falling.

[The Dread Pirate Roberts]

"You won't read a book if there are no wookies in it, so you don't know."
:p

Funny comic. Thanks for the link.

[BeardofPants]

No probs. ;)

[Jon S.]

Does anyone visit here anymore?!

[The Dread Pirate Roberts]

Not much. I'm more interested in topics where the sky isn't falling. :cool:

[Curufin]

I'd rather avoid this topic myself.

It depresses me.

[Jon S.]

By "here" I meant Entmoot generally, not only the topics some find "depressing."

Forgive me, it's just my extroverted self. ;)

[Mark of Cenla]

It seems to me that a movie that comes after The Hobbit would mostly have to be about Aragorn. For example: his protecting of the Shire and other places, his decision to become a ranger rather than pursuing the throne of Gondor, his relationship with Arwen, his working with Gandalf, etc. That stuff is only hinted at in the Tolkien "canon". It could be done well, or not. I am all for it. To each his/her own. Peace.

[Valandil]

..., his decision to become a ranger rather than pursuing the throne of Gondor, ...

GAAGGH! :eek: I sure hope not! :rolleyes:

[Jon S.]

Hope is not relevant here - the die was cast in the LOTR movies, the Hobbit film will be consistent and so we'll see a real man struggling with real doubts. Personally, this was one of the facets of the movies I liked best (I found the Aragorn of the book admirable but not complex, the type of simplified character one might expect the Hobbit Red Book of Westmarch authors to prefer but not like one typically finds in real life).

And yes, I know I'm in the minority on the forum and you all disagree. :)

[Mark of Cenla]

GAAGGH! :eek: I sure hope not! :rolleyes:

At one point in his life, that is what he did. I am not making that up. Later, in Lord of the Rings he changed his mind. When he met the hobbits
in Bree, he was a ranger, not someone pursuing the throne of Gondor.

I am quite interested in a so-called "bridge" movie, but I can understand why one wouldn't be. If that is the case, don't go see it when it comes out. Peace.

[Curufin]

And yes, I know I'm in the minority on the forum and you all disagree. :)

Ah, now I don't even have to say it. :p

At one point in his life, that is what he did. I am not making that up. Later, in Lord of the Rings he changed his mind. When he met the hobbits
in Bree, he was a ranger, not someone pursuing the throne of Gondor.

Er...this sounds pretty much from the movie, not from the book. Do you have any textual evidence for this? Because this certainly isn't the feeling I got.

[Gordis]

When he met the hobbits in Bree, he was a ranger, not someone pursuing the throne of Gondor.
I wonder what you think "someone pursuing the throne of Gondor" would do.:confused:

I guess he would write a lengthy official application for the Crown of the United Kingdom with lots of appendices (including a complete genealogical tree of Isildur's Line and drawings of the Heirlooms of his house: the scepter of Annuminas, the shards of Narsil, the Ring of Barahir, the Elendilmir etc. - all this certified by signatures of three witnesses). A blood sample for DNA test would be helpful, too. ;)
Then with the application submitted to the Council of Gondor, the applicant would settle in Minas Tirith and wait for long years until the Council of Gondor has time to discuss the Application and reject it.

Nice life for a wannabe King!:p:D

[Jon S.]

LOL! You can use me as a reference for when you apply for the satire version screenwriting gig, Gordis! :D

[Coffeehouse]

I gotta say I'm a bit edgy as to what look they'll give Greenwood (Mirkwood). The descriptions in Tolkien's works vary, all according to what part of the forest is entangled in darkness or not.. but really my imagionation portrays Greenwood as a lush, green forest where there are areas of deadened, dark trees, but mostly great swathes of oak and beech, a Deciduous forest:) A green wood which you can get really, really lost in. I can even imagine areas that resemble Fangorn Forest.. which would mean.. maybe there are Ents in Greenwood too? (wishful thinking)

[Jon S.]

Perhaps even an ent-wife. :)

[The Dread Pirate Roberts]

I see Mirkwood as mostly deciduous also. And not as dead as what one might expect, even in the murkiest parts. Sauron hasn't been there that long and creatures like spiders and black squirrels need something to eat.

I would expect the contrast between the areas held by elves and the murky areas to be stark.

[Mark of Cenla]

Ah, now I don't even have to say it. :p



Er...this sounds pretty much from the movie, not from the book. Do you have any textual evidence for this? Because this certainly isn't the feeling I got.


We are talking about the movies here. So it seems to me that whatever the new movies do has to be more consistent to the existing movies than the books.

I had to let go of the movies closely following the book a long time ago. If I hadn't, I would still be pissed off about the ending in Return of the King. To each his/her own.

[sisterandcousinandaunt]

Does anyone visit here anymore?!

By "here" I meant Entmoot generally, not only the topics some find "depressing."

Forgive me, it's just my extroverted self. ;)Yes, Jon, but we're hanging in general. :p

I see Mirkwood as mostly deciduous also. And not as dead as what one might expect, even in the murkiest parts. Sauron hasn't been there that long and creatures like spiders and black squirrels need something to eat.

I would expect the contrast between the areas held by elves and the murky areas to be stark. Of course Mirkwood is deciduous near the elven halls. "The beeches were their favorite trees." They walk through a beech forest, then a valley filled with oaks, one of which Bilbo climbs to see the butterflies.