Sauron v.s. The Emperor

[The Black Lieutenant]

Who would win?

Or how about Gandalf v.s. Darth Maul? ha ha Take that old man VRRROOORRRRPPP!!! SHHHROOOOMMM!!!! KSHHHHHH!!!!

[bmilder]

Emperor probably, Sauron has been too lazy to fight for millennia.

[The Black Lieutenant]

Yeah. You're probably right. Besides, in a way the Emperor is Sauron. After all, evil doesn't go away, it just changes form.

[Lief Erikson]

The Emperor lives on hate. It consumes him, and it is his basic solution for everything. Including Jedi. I don't know if Sauron is quite as set on that. Yes, probably in the way of that sort of power, the Emperor would beat Sauron. But I think in overall strength, Sauron is probably stronger than the Emperor. The Emperor doesn't hold sway over the minds of all of his creations in the same way as Sauron. He might be able to do it over individual groups for short periods of time, but Sauron has long time and long range influence. The Emperor couldn't do anything like what was done with the One Ring. Sauron might not have the fighting prowess and the ability to blow someone away with lightning bolts right before him (Although he might be able to, we never were told exactly how he can fight) but he has a lot more long range and time influence. There are all sorts of things he can do with his magic that it would be simply impossible to do through the Force.

[The Black Lieutenant]

Excellent points!

[Lief Erikson]

Thank-you.

[Mace McClain]

Emperor vs Sauron? Palpy

Darth Maul vs Gandalf? Galdalf

[The Black Lieutenant]

Yeah, I forgot Gandalf can come back from the dead. That's pretty hard to beat. But then again, maybe Lucas will surprise us in Episode 2 with the return of Darth Maul.

[Lief Erikson]

I would consider a Balrog to be stronger than Darth Maul, and if Gandalf can kill a Balrog, I think he surely would be able to beat the Sith.

[The Black Lieutenant]

Of course! Darth Maul wouldn't last ten minutes against Gandalf, who would simply fry the Sith with a lightning bolt. No fuss, no muss. I was just kidding in my first post.

[Grand Admiral Reese]

Door opens, Maul steps out

Gandalf: I'll take care of this.

Maul activates sabre

Glamdring flashes out of it's scabbard, slicing Maul down the middle. Gandalf makes a big flash of light with a spare firework

:)

And, if Sauron wore the Ring, Palpy would be toast.

[Lief Erikson]

Actually, that's a matter of controversy which has a whole board all to itself.

[The Black Lieutenant]

Really? This I gotta see. Could you email me the link?

[Mathron]

Since in the LotR, it is implied that should Sauron get the ring, he would instantly be able to take out every good guy left alive in Middle-earth, I think Sauron+Ring would wipe the emperor.
Without it, I think he would too - The emperor may be nasty and evil and filled with the dark side, but Sauron is a Maia, likely the most of the Maia, the original creatures from the dawn of time. He is extremely weakened from what he once was, but he is still on a far larger scale than mortals are.

[Xivigg]

Sauron fighting prowess

he kill Gil-Gaalad AND Elendil before Isildur slice the ring from his finger

true the lose of the ring weaken him but no one was foolish enough to fight him in a one on one battle


as for a fight Sauron vs The Emperor i can't say

they both represente the ultimate force of evil in there respective world

[Erewe]

I'd have to say Sauron. After all, Sauron is a Maia while Palpatine is just a mortal man with great Force ability. If we were to compare the Force with the Ring, then I'd say it's like Sauron-The Ring and then, lets say, Butterbur+The Ring. Sauron would wipe the floor with him.

BTW, this is my first post.

--Erewë

[webwizard333]

Probably half way through the fight they'd team up and take over the 2 universes.

[Brewhaha]

As fun as that would be, I don't think Sauron is the type to team up with someone he would see as inferior. I think he would try to turn Palpy into his slave if he deemed him useful enough...

Brewhaha

[Xivigg]

and Palpatine would try to do the same

Sauron would give a ring to Palpatine and he will slowly fell under his domination

[ryan]

did anyone ever think...

maybe sauron /is/ the emperor!

they both happened a long time ago.. share similar story lines, probably in a galaxy far far away... SAURON /IS/ THE EMPEROR! THEY'RE ONE IN THE SAME!

[afro-elf]

wasn't gil-galad "burnt to death" by Sauron?

the force is very dynamic while "magic" in tolkien's world is more subtle

Saruman would be a master of the Jedi mind trick
"beware the Voice of Saruman"


as far a maul and gandalf, there are many force powers not seen in the movies they are in the books and games so It would not be so easy to kill maul.

BUT it would be cool to see Glamdring VS. a lightsaber

[Gloer]

What a piece of childish conversation! I love it!

My dad is better than yours -style... heh... reigns here.
(Ok. A few exceptions)

Sauron vs. Palpatine

Hmmm. Unfortunately Sauron is a loser here since Palpatine simply blasts the whole Middle-Earth out of existance with his Death Star!
Anyone recall that!

Maybe the Emperor is Morgoth who got cast out to the void that is the space or galaxy in Star Wars! WOW!
Or then he became the Dark Side of the Force!? He possesses Senator Palpatine and beginns his quest for ultimate domination anew!

Hey I like this mix... Mayby Gollum and Yoda are related?

[Wayfarer]

*/chuckles.

Ok... Sauron versus Darth Sidious

Well... Sidious can shoot purplish lightning bolts out of his hand and kill people (unfortunately, it seems that a normal strength human can withstand multiple direct hits from this particular attack). He can also corrupt other humans, but only if they 'go over to the dark side'. His main power comess from the massive political body, the Empire.

Sauron can kill the High King of the Elves, and the king of the Numenoreans in Exile. By burning them to death. With his hands. And he lived to tell about it. his main strength came from the ring, which allowed him to control the minds of several millions of people, including nine of the most powerful mumans on the planet.

All things considered. Sauron.


Gandalf versus Darth maul is sort of a strange comparison. I'm going to go with a closer one:

Gandalf Versus Qui Gon Jinn

Qui Gon is a Jedi master. He can use telekinesis, telepathy, and his force powers allow him greater than usual strength, stamina, speed and agility. In addition to this, he is prescient. Also fairly nifty with a lightsaber.

Gandalf is an Istari. He is quite a gifted telepath, he can create and reshape things in his surroundings, and he has superhuman strength, stamina, speed, and agility. He is able to defend himself from attack through magical means, and respond in the same way.

Qui Gon is killed by a Sith of unknown race. This creature is approximately seven or eight feet tall, and has force abilities similar to, or perhaps stronger than, those mentioned with Qui Gon. It weilds a double bladed light saber. He kills qui gon after the pair is isolated behind some sort of force field, and after doing so, is still strong enough to take on a younger jedi.

Gandalf is killed by a balrog. This creature is perhaps as tall as eighteen. It likely has wings. It's magical (subcreative) abilities are possibly less poetent than gandalfs's, however, it has the ability to chreate and manipulate fire and shadow. It wields a burning sword in one hand, and a milti-thong whip in the other. It is killed by gandalf, but manages to inflict enough damage that he dies shortly thereafter.

Gandalf versus Qui Gon, most likely: Gandalf

Darth Maul versus The Balrog, all things considered: The Balrog

Ok... here's a few more. :D

Darth Vader versus the Witch King

Darth Vader was once a man, Anakin Skywalker. He became Vader after he (reportedly) fell into a lava pit of some kind. He has a machine suit, which makes him quite strong, but he is easily killed in the end (due to his damaged body). He is an incredibly gifted telekinetic, and has the aforementioned ability to predict the future. He fights with a lightsaber, but does not appear to be terribly skilled (and he is limited physically).

The Witch King was also once a man, although we don't know who. He became the Lord of The Nazgul after recieving a ring from sauron. He has the power of fear, as well as control over weaker minds, and he seems to be able to destroy objects using magic. His weapons are a Mace, a Sword, and a Knife, which through black magic turns the wounded victim into a wraith under his control. He is incredibly strong, and almost impervious to physical attack.

I can't decide. If the witch king can be wounded by a lightsaber, I would tend to say that Vader would win. If vader was wounded with a Morgul Dagger, the witch king would win. There is also the problem of whether onr not vader can be considered a Man or an Ex-Man.

All things considered, most likely The Witch King

Earendil versus Han Solo

Earendil: The greatest mariner ever. Has a ship, Vingilot, capable of going into space. Has posession of a silmaril. Possibly fights with a bow, possibly with a sword/spear.

Han Solo: Great pilot. Thinks he's the greatest. Has a ship, The Milennium Falcon, capable of hyperspace travel. Weapons include some really nice heavy blaster cannons.

All things considered: Han Solo

Gollum versus JarJar

JarJar is annoying, possibly pretty strong but to clumsy to do anything. Has some awful dumb luck.

Gollum is strong, fast, and pretty smart. He also knows how to sneak around and get the jump on someone.

A tough call, but most likely Gollum. JarJar just isn't a killer.

Heheh. ;) Middle Earth Rocks.

[Comic Book Guy]

Sauron can kill the High King of the Elves, and the king of the Numenoreans in Exile. By burning them to death. With his hands. And he lived to tell about it. his main strength came from the ring, which allowed him to control the minds of several millions of people, including nine of the most powerful mumans on the planet.


Where does it say this?

Since TPM, Palantine has always confused me, when did he learn how to shoot lighting bolts? He's not a Jedi in TPM, he would be too old to learn after he become chancellor. I believe you got your Palatine/Sidous confused Wayfarer.

[Wayfarer]

Palpatine, not palantine, wasn't it?

An yes, they were the same person. Senator Palpatine was secretly Darth Sidious (the elder sith) , and when he became Emperor Palpatine he forsook the Sidious persona altogether.

The lord of the rings... the council of Elrond, I believe, gandalf quotes Isildur on the ring:

"It missith, perhaps, the heat of it's master's hand, which was black and yet burned like fire, and so were Gil-Galad and Elendil destroyed."

Good enough for you?

[Comic Book Guy]

You didn't need to be aggressive, sorry if you took my post in an offensive way.

[Wayfarer]

*/chuckles.

That wasn't agressive at all.

Perhaps Inolondil could tell you about the time I lost my temper and flamed him. Agressive enough to make a balrog blanch.

[Wayfarer]

By the By. I'm extremely hard to offend. Don't worry about it. ;)

[bombcar]

Sauron had better control of his servants than palpitine did (Darth Vader repents), but the ringwraiths never even consider it, so overall, I think Sauron had the more power (it was an actual mind control power that makes a Jedi Mind Trick look like a TV commercial.

[afro-elf]

hey comic book guy

wayfarer was not being aggressive

he just has a biting wit

you will DEFINATELY know when he goes off on you


to wayfarer

i don't recall the race of Darth Maul ( or his sister shopping mall) but i "BELIEVE" it starts with an "X"

BUT DARTH MAUL IS NOT SEVEN FEET TALL


he is actually rather short

ray park is a short man look at the duels and the photo shotsWell... Sidious can shoot purplish lightning bolts out of his hand and kill people (unfortunately, it seems that a normal strength human can withstand multiple direct hits from this particular attack).

sorry my young padawan as i stated earlier there are more powers to jedi that what is seen in the movies

the books and games which are sancationed by lucas delve into far greater detail

luke was far from a NORMAL human AND do not forget that the emperor was torturing him before the coup de grace

recall the the line something like " now young skywalker time to die" then the emperor really lit him up and daddy skywalker saved his ass

He fights with a lightsaber, but does not appear to be terribly skilled (and he is limited physically).

COME ON he fought with obi won on the death star
he did not win because ben dropped his body as a sacrifice before vader's blade even touched him but they were going toe to toe for awhile

when he fought luke on bespin he began fight him with one hand while stupid ass luke was using two ( sorry luke was an idiot) he came to save his friends not face vader and there is a scene in empire where he could have jetted BUT NO he continued after him
in jedi until he threatened leia they seemed fairly equal


i think we might have to wait until episode III

to really see what vader can do though



as far as the falcon and the deathstar i "THINK" ( yes sometimes i do) these are more one on one duels

[Comic Book Guy]

I believe Darth Mauls race is called Zabrak, theres a member of the Jedi Council of the same race. In the TPM Dvd extras it shows some concept art featuring Darth Vader and a member of the Jedi Council dueling, Lucas speaks of how energitic and skilled the Jedis and Siths are, its not exactly canon though.

[afro-elf]

thanks

I said "X" but it should have been "Z"

[CardenIAntauraNauco]

Frodo vs. R2D2

:D

[afro-elf]

ROTFLMHO


That is funny. LOL

[afro-elf]

I'm gonna post something in the LOTR forum about this.

[Renille]

Originally posted by CardenIAntauraNauco
Frodo vs. R2D2

:D

Frodo. no R2. No Frodo.

Yeah. Frodo would certainly win.

[CardenIAntauraNauco]

Sauron vs. an Ewok

[Alethes]

Hmmm...I wonder who would win that one? :D ;)

[Renille]

The ewok, of course!!:D ;) :p

[Naugrim]

Uhhh... let's see... how bout Chewie vs. Legolas (tree-loving Wookiee bowman vs. tree-loving Sindar bowman)? Let's make it duel at ten paces ( we're gonna see elven arms and legs strewn across the floor if we make it mano-a-mano).

Some other ideas:

Treebeard vs. an AT-AT

Glaurung vs. an AT-AT

Smaug vs. an Imperator class Star Destroyer

Vingilot vs. the Death Star

Hobbits vs. Ewoks

Movie Leia vs. Movie Arwen

Novel Leia vs. Novel Arwen

Flying Nazgul vs. Rogue Squadron (trimmed down to 9 to even the odds-- using the latest Stackpole/Alston roster)

[Naugrim]

So now I'm a Hobbit called Naugrim? How'd that happen? But I guess Hobbits are even more stunted than dwarves are...:D

[Dhagda Ioma]

How bout a Hobbit vs. an Ewok. I'm putting my bets on the Ewok. I'm not trying to say anything bad about Hobbits. ... just that on the Trilogy game, an Ewok can take down a storm trooper pretty fast. (Man ... This is a weird subject.)

I

[Mihara of Yeldar]

Well, I think the Emperor should go steal the ring and take over Middle Earth, and Legolas should turn to the Darkside because it's WAY cooler!

[markedel]

Yoda vs Elrond?

I'd say Yoda

[Renille]

Maybe a younger Yoda could...but I think Elrond.

[Nibs]

Gandalf vs Obi-Wan

Here's how it would go:

Part 1: Elude Hope

OW: We meet again, old man... but now I am the master.
[his lightsaber flashes to life]
G: Only a master of adolescent deliquents, Obi.
[his staff glows with an inner flame]
OW: You are more hair than man, now, Gandalf... twisted and senile...
[waves his weapon a bit]
G: Go take a long jump off a tall cliff, you padawannabe.
OW: How dare you insult me, ancient peddler! Prepare to die!
[steps toward Gandalf menacingly]
G: [calmly] Should you strike me down, I will become more powerful than you could ever imagine...
OW: Are you talking in riddles? I HATE riddles.
G: I think we got started off on the wrong foot... sorry about the padawan pun, but why do you hate me so?
OW: You killed my father!
G: No, Obi... I am your father.
OW: NO!! It can't be true!
[he turns off his lightsaber, collapses on his knees, and sobs into his hands]

Part two: The Istar(i?) Strikes Back

[Obi-wan gazes at the wizened wizard with a wrathful countenance; he notices that Gandalf now holds his lightsaber]
G: You want [longingly] this... take it from me... strike me down! Give in to your hate. I am defenseless...
OW: You want me to kill you?
G: Well, yes... it's crucial for the sequel, you know...
OW: Well, that settles it.
[Obi-wan leaves, dancing and singing to "ABC, 123" by the Jackson Five]
G: Crimony! Now we'll never draw the crowds...
[Scooby Doo and his crew enter]
Thelma: Jinkies! It's Gandalf!
Fred: It was him all along!
G: And I would have gotten away with it, too, if it weren't for you meddlin' kids!
[Gandalf vanishes with a bright flash from his staff]
END

Okay, maybe that was a bit of a cliche ending... forgive me, and also read my comment on "Middle-Earth vs Galactic Empire".

Originally posted by Arathorn:
the spoof is strong in this one... i will be following your career young master nibs
"The farce is strong in this one" would have been cleverer... but I appreciate your interest.

[Varda]

just a thought: maybe the emperor is what gollum could have ended up if he had his way? after all... gollum is a simple mortal... yet if you think about it, no mortal with the ring was able to beat sauron, so therefore the emperor could not beat sauron? make sense?