Star Wars Episode II - Attack of the Clones

[bmilder]

I've just found out that the title of Ep II is... Attack of the Clones. Ok, I know that no one liked The Phantom Menace when it was first announced, but AotC sounds so cheesy. They could've done a lot better than that!

[webwizard333]

I think the title gives away what the clone wars will be.

[gdl96]

eh...kind of cheesy.

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gotta get used to it.

[anduin]

I got on a SW site (tf.n) for the first time in a looooong time yesterday looking for just that information, but found nothing. It must had been announced later on in the evening. Anyhoo, I hate the title. All I can think of is Attack of the Killer Tomatoes and Attack from Mars.

I would love to know what some of the other titles were. Surely they pulled this one out of a hat. :(

[X Rogue]

Apparently it's been announced on starwars.com, according to this article.

Next "Star Wars" movie dubbed "Attack of the Clones"
Reuters
Aug 7 2001 1:03AM

HOLLYWOOD (Variety) - "Star Wars" creator George Lucas revealed Monday that the next installment of his sci-fi franchise will be titled "Star Wars: Episode II Attack of the Clones." The picture is set to bow next summer.
Lucas used the franchise's official Web site, www.StarWars.com, (http://www.StarWars.com,) to make the news public.

According to the site, the title was chosen because it "harkens back to the sense of pure fun, imagination and excitement that characterized the classic movie serials and pulp space fantasy adventures that inspired the 'Star Wars' saga."

Set a decade after "The Phantom Menace," "Attack of the Clones" follows Jedi Knights Obi-Wan Kenobi (Ewan McGregor) and Anakin Skywalker (Hayden Christensen), who are assigned to protect Padme Amidala (Natalie Portman), whose life is threatened by a faction of political separatists.

Over the past year, Web sites set up by exuberant fans, such as www.TheForce.net, (http://www.TheForce.net,) have published what they thought to be possible titles for the picture, including "The Shadow Falls."

"Star Wars" arguably has the most intense Internet following of all feature film franchises; fans have gone so far as to re-edit "The Phantom Menace" more to their liking and even have created their own digital-enhanced trailers for "Attack of the Clones" to be viewed via the Web.

Reuters/Variety


Henh. Oh well. I think it gives too much away, but who am I to argue with the venerable GL? I just buy movie tickets after all.......:rolleyes: ;)

[Prince Faramir]

GL is trying to appeal to even larger audience... also having just watched the phantom menace [again ;) ], and enjoying it greatly, will there be another evil jedi fighting our two jedi heroes? having been away from this area of the board for absolutely ages are there any rumours on what this person could be / do?

[webwizard333]

The titiles always have been rather specific of the main points of the movies. In The Empire Strikes Back what did you think wsa going to happen based on the title?

[Erewe]

I just found this on tfn:


Coincidence of the Clone Announcement
Wed, Aug 08, 01 09:55:28 AM EDT

Eric brings up an interesting point:
With the fan world and media outlets all a buzz about the new SW title, one can’t help but wonder, Why announce now?" Why so early in the game?
Could it be that Lucas is capitalizing on a major breaking story in the past week? A story that even TFN was reporting?

In what has sparked a flurry of controversy and shocked the world, scientists announced last week that they were moving ahead very rapidly with preparation to implant 200 women with cloned embryos.

Today, scientists were set to defend their controversial plans for human cloning experiments to a U.S. science panel that is grappling with the safety and ethics of making genetically identical people. For Star Wars fans, this makes the timing of yesterday’s announcement of EPISODE II: ATTACK OF THE CLONES rather suspect.

Is it possible that Lucas while following this explosion of controversy on the world stage, captured the moment to announce his new title? Possible proof of this theory can be found the FOX NEWS website, where this morning a headline declared "SEND IN THE CLONES: As scientists prepare to begin experiments this year, international panel meets today to discuss human duplication and the complex ethical issues it raises." And just underneath it reads "Related Stories: Next Star Wars Movie: Attack of the Clones."

Coincidence? I think not.





So maybe it's all a joke to let us in on Lucas's opinion? I must be honest, at first I hated it, but now I'm getting used to it.

--Erewë

[anduin]

I thought the same thing before I read that article. I was watching CNN or C-SPAN like crazy the day that all of this cloning nonsense came about. Then I find out about SW. It made me think about how perhaps this movie could show people just what could happen (I guess anything is possible) if we do successfully clone humans. Maybe ol' GL isn't as stupid as he appears sometimes. ;) Either way, I think it was a clever move on his part to announce when he did, and I have no doubt that he planned it to the day.

[Brewhaha]

Ack!! Attack of the Clones?? Whast is this, some kind of B-movie?? *Sigh* this seemes to be becoming a trend--the next installation of Star Trek seems to be going for the pop culture/hollywood look... all decent sci-fi is coming to and end, AN END!!! AIEEEEEE!!!!!!!

Brewhaha

[Prince Faramir]

i believe stem cell research is excellent, cloning is dodgy territory though...

think of the genius of the title though, all we will be hearing for the next 5 years is cloning cloning cloning, and i bet the hype will come around the next star wars!!! lucas is a very shrewd fellow, much like Farmer cotton i be thinking

[Brewhaha]

Ok, but I think that anything would be better than that title: he could've used 'Clone Wars'. Episode 2: Clone Wars doesn't sound too bad. How about Episode 2: the Clone Conflict. Anything! Anything but that cheesy b-movie title.

Brewhaha

[Darth Tater]

Fact of the matter is, the Clone Wars aren't the most important thing coming up in this episode. The Phantom Menace, which confused us all at first, was ultimately a good title, because it's exactly what the underlying theme of the movie was, an evil menace lurking on the sidelines. It rang true for the obvious plot of Sidious coming to power and Darth Maul kicking but, as well as bringing Anakin into a world which he will ultimately rule with an iron fist.

Now, the Attack of the Clones lacks all that. Even before the movie comes out we know i'ts a stoopid title that just simply states what one part of the film is! Ack, either GL is losing his mind or it's Mccallum's fault. I hope it's the second.

[jediguy]

I think it's mainly the 'Attack' that gives it the B-movie feel. If it was 'Advance of the Clones' or the 'Rise of the Clones' then it would have more credibility....

IMO, it just brings back thoughts of 'Attack of the Zombies', 'Attack of the Killer Tomatoes' etc...

[Manwe Sulimo]

The first thing that popped into my mind when I thought about the title was that it sounded like the sequel to Plan Nine from Outer Space or some such...

[Fat middle]

let's be honest: titles never were Lucas' strong point.

Star Wars
The Empire Strikes Back
The Return of the Jedi
The Phantom Menace

i'd say that TPM was the best of all titles. i hope this movie will be more in the line of the OT :p

[Xivigg]

you forget

A new hope

[IronParrot]

I've had to repeat myself on so many different boards concerning this issue, I won't bother here.

I'll just summarize and say that I like the title. I'm already totally used to it, desensitized to it.

I never liked the title "A New Hope" at all. Yuck.

And I would have HATED, HATED "The Clone Wars". Yuck!

[cee2lee2]

It really doesn't matter to me what he calls it; I'm going to watch it any way:D

[easterlinge]

I agree, "Attack of the Clones" sounds...... cheap. I like jediguy's "Rise of the Clones" better. Or maybe "Fall of the Republic", if the Republic's decline is caused by the chaos of the Clone Wars.

[Admiral Ackbar]

I agree. I actually like "Episode 2: Fall of the Republic". As for titles being too obvious, don't you think 'The Empire Strikes Back' is a little revealing? It was an excellent title nonetheless. ROTJ also tells one what the movie is primarily about, yet no one seems to complain about that title. My point is that a movie title can tell the viewer what the main plot will be without ruining the entire film.

Ackbar

[Fat middle]

i've picked this from TOR.N
From: Pippin Skywalker

I happened to be browsing through Theforce.net's Episode 2 Main News page looking at the different foreign translations of the new Star Wars title "Attack of the Clones". One of the translations was into Tolkien's Quenya!!! I was quite surprised!!! See! Even in Middle Earth Darth Vader is popular!!!!

Translation, English to Quenya:

Attack of the Clones: Dagor Clonereva

:D Quenya makes it sound well.

though i'm just thinking that cannot be the right translation. Dagor=Battle i think.

[Erewe]

Yeah, Dagor=Battle

My favorite SW title is A New Hope.

I think "The Shadow Falls" would have been cool, even though it wouldn't be completely revelent to the movie (I've seen the spoilers).

--Erewë

[easterlinge]

Here's an interesting new item from www.newscientist.com

"Cloned chickens on the menu

19:00 15 August 01
Andrea Graves

Factory farming could soon enter a new era of mass production. Companies in the US are developing the technology needed to "clone" chickens on a massive scale.

Once a chicken with desirable traits has been bred or genetically engineered, tens of thousands of eggs, which will hatch into identical copies, could roll off the production lines every hour.

Billions of clones could be produced each year to supply chicken farms with birds that all grow at the same rate, have the same amount of meat and taste the same.

This, at least, is the vision of the US's National Institute of Science and Technology, which has given Origen Therapeutics of Burlingame, California, and Embrex of North Carolina $4.7 million to help fund research. The prospect has alarmed animal welfare groups, who fear it could increase the suffering of farm birds."


Oh boy...... wonder if George Lucas will make a vague reference to it in the movie?

[Admiral Ackbar]

There are too many people on the anti-side and too many people on the positive side, and I beleive that GL is trying to appeal to a broad audience so doing that might turn off a large percentage of the fans who could be anti-cloning. That would be a big nono.

Ackbar

[easterlinge]

THe cloned chickens article is real, but I posted it out of humour...... I mean, come on, cloned chickens ? I can see a really tacky movie coming out of this!!

:D :D :D

[Comic Book Guy]

Does anybody actually know what happens in the clone wars? Is it about a army of Jar-Jar clones? All I can remember about it is obi-wan and Luke taking briefly about in a new hope.

[Eowyn, The Lioness]

I'd love to know what they were thinking when they picked the name. I'm convinced they were drunk. :rolleyes:

[thephantomcat]

So Anduin,

You're against cloning, huh? Bummer. I guess that means you're agianst planned parenting methods that helps couples who need help getting a family started. (You people brought up cloning, by the way.) People are so afraid of the unknown. Are you implying that if we did clone babies that they would rise up against us or what? We'd better keep an eye on those septuplets and octuplets and even twins! They might just start to take over the world without us even being aware of it.

Also, if you spend too much time on the net someone could steal your identity and kill you or something.

I thought I was paranoid.

The Phantom Cat :D

[anduin]

I am against cloning for the same reason I am against what Hitler was trying to do....create the perfect human, although he didn't have as sophisticated means. No one can be certain cloning in this day and age will have that end, but I generaly do not trust humans to always make the right choices. There are too many selfish people in the world to not think that someone somewhere will be unethical with this new technology. My opinion on the matter has nothing to do with childless couples. But since you brought it up, there are other methods that serve the same purpose.

Surely people that are in favor of cloning can't be so naive to think that no one will use this technology for selfish purposes. Even those who develope the research are selfish in their motives. Think of the money to be made by those that succeed, think of the fame, think of the power they would have to feel. Wait, you don't think that they are motivated my their dear sister, wife, lesbian daughter or friend who is unable to conceive in a natural (or even unatural) way....do you??!

[webwizard333]

The demand for cloning is supported far more by those who have lost a loved one and lack the common sense to realize that the clone will not be exactly like the one that they lost.

[ryan]

so he picked a crappy title, big deal.

what we should really be worried about is, if the first 3 follow the pattern of 4-5-6 -> good-less good-worse

if 2 is worse than 1 (which would be pretty bad, imo), whats 3 going to be like? :)

of course, thats just /my/ opinion..

[Renille]

I think the Emporer Strikes Back was the worst...too much Han/Leia stuff. I actually LOVED the Return of the Jedi, and I didn't think I would. New Hope and Phantom Menace are okay, too. If they don't put too much Anakin/Padme business in it, I think I'll give episode 2 a chance. (Can you tell who hates love stories yet??)

[thephantomcat]

These people do not lack any commen sense. They are fully aware of what cloning means. It seems that the two of you haven't read anything except Christian propaganda pamphlets regaurding cloning. These people know that the clones will have distinct personalities just like twins. They know that the clone will start its life as an infant just like everyone else. These are not simply pathetic parents who lost the only child to a car wreck and can't seem to move on with their lives. They are well adjusted people who see another tool technology is giving us to keep, at least. the memory of our loved ones alive.

And don't give me that bull about playing God. Doctors play God with new technology every day. Would you begrudge your mother a few more years of life because you don't want her to use a monkey or pig heart?

Always,

The Phantom Cat :rolleyes:

[webwizard333]

Actually, some people do believe that the clone will be just like the original, which makes us wonder if science is right and we're just a bunch of elctrons in a certain sequence or if we're something more than that. I hope I didn't offend anyone with the other post, I certainly didn't mean to. Though, another problem that comes from cloning is how many tries is it going to take to get it right? Dolly was one in two hundred (correct me if I'm wrong) tries. Are we willing to sacrifice that many lives just to bring a person who will only look like a lost loved one, but will probably turn out totally different? Back on the original topic matter, we're just going to have to get used to the title no matter how much we don't like.

[anduin]

It seems that the two of you haven't read anything except Christian propaganda pamphlets regaurding cloning.

If you knew me at all you would laugh at that statement....I cannot speak for WW333. I have read no personal opinion on the subject of cloning. I need no other opinion to tell me that cloning is just a bad idea. I am usually all for advancements in science, but my gut feeling says that this is wrong. Plain and simple.

They are well adjusted people who see another tool technology is giving us to keep, at least. the memory of our loved ones alive.

I think this is crazy. How well adjusted could they be to create another life, another human being for purposes as selfish as keeping the memory of a loved one alive. Should this replacement have to live in the shadow of its previous self? I know one girl in particular who often reminds her parents of a child that they lost at a young age, mostly because they look so much alike. It has been somewhat difficult for her. It is a hard thing to overcome no matter how well adjusted you are. Some things are just difficult to work out between parents and children. Now think how it would be for a clone of a deceased loved one.

And don't give me that bull about playing God.

Oh, did someone mention playing GOD? For the record it was you that first brought it up.

It appears that you have made assumptions about my opinons on cloning without even asking. You believe that I (or we) obtained our opinons from religious proproganda. Perhaps you think my arguement as simple as doctors playing god. Not hardly....there is much more to it than that.

[Pabs]

I must say that I dont particularly like the title, and im pretty sure that my reasons are somewhat irrational and not very thought out...
On another note, if anyone has read the expanded universe books, and specifically, the bounty hunter wars,l by KW jeeter, whats the deal with Boba fett?!?!?! is he going to be jaster mereel, or is he gonna be a clone of Jango fett?? I can think of a dozen ways of relating the 2, but im not sure I like the idea of GL allowing the publishing of all these novels, and then mixing up the storyline, just cuz he didnt bother to edit the novels before they were published....:(

[webwizard333]

Well, it will be interesting to see if somehow GL's Star Wars and the EU fit together, though I suspect that there will be many differences (if the Emperor had studied art he would have won! ;) ). Btw, I get all my information on cloning from magazines, newspapers, and books (I did DNA for a sort of scince fair project at school).

[AACHOO]

GLs is the only story line that matters.SWs is his and his alone.
As for the title only the first part matters---STAR WARS---



Cloning? Its hard to go against nature when your apart of nature too.