At World's End

[tolkienfan]

Here is the new thread for Pirates of the Caribbean 3: At World's End.

I just got back from seeing it! It was amazing. WAY better than the second one. If you go see it, wait until the very end, past all the credits. It's worth it. Not like the dog thing :rolleyes: , I promise.
MAJOR SPOILERS:
So what did you think of the end? I thought it was a bit too sad, but okay. I still can't believe Will died, but it seems in this movie that nobody who "dies" stays dead. I'm really glad the Pearl came back. The beginning was sad too for that matter. Some parts were unrealistic and kind of stupid (like the parachute thing) but thankfully there was less of that than in the 2nd one. I think this was maybe the funniest one. I loved seeing Jack's dad. The score was great. I liked the story of Tia Dalma and Davy Jones, but it was very sad. I'm glad Beckett died, but I think his death could have been shortened a bit. I'll have to write more tomorrow, it's rather late. So, what did you think?

[Rosie Gamgee]

I think my take on this movie will give away to much, so I've 'spoilered' it.

It was incredible. And by incredible, I mean it literally was not credible. The whole movie dives face-first into this unrealistic world of legends which have a hard time keeping to their own rules, never mind the rules of the real world. Everything is possible. Anyone who dies has a chance at coming back to life except for two unfortunate souls who die and are forgotten about as soon as their final scenes end. Everyone gets stabbed at one point or another. Everyone gets thrown into the brig and then miraculously escapes. There's far too many Jack Sparrows running around chasing legumes for no apparent reason. The good guys and the bad guys are so hopelessly muddled I eventually decided that the only characters worth rooting for were the two aforementioned unfortunate souls who died. Keira's make-up never moves--I think she got that eye-liner tattooed on. Will has an earring and a superior attitude that is simply cheesy. All the dialogue is bloated with 'piratey' words that people have been tossing around on the internet since the first movie came out, and the whole plot plays out like a sickening fan-girl-fiction. The ending was awful. And Keith Richards was just plain uncalled for. It was without a doubt one of the dumbest movies I've ever watched. The pirate trilogy makes a dismal end.

[orithil]

my goodness i cant believe you could say that in my opinion it was the best one made it was funny, dramatic (violent well sorta) and finally everything made sense it was a great trilogy and in MY opinion it was the best in the trilogy and in MY opinion it was very good and they could not have made it better

[tolkienfan]

I didn't mention that the special effects were amazing! Except for the giant Callypso thing, that was weird and just bad.

[Elfmaster XK]

I am afraid I have to agree with Rosie Gamgee. It could have been so much more. Unfortunately, they wasted the idea of a dying pirate age and filled it with nonsense.

Disappointing.

[orithil]

Well true, but the pirates of the caribbean trilogy had been full of jokes especially with jack sparrow, nonsense? you mean....

[Acalewia]

They could have done with out the numerous Jacks running around, but all in all I thought it was halerious! I think the reason the screenwriters decided to "kill" Will was to solve the problem of his promise to his father. Of course that's just my take on that. of course it sucked that Will "died" after finally getting around to marrying Elizabeth.

Speaking of Marrages, that had to be the most wacked up wedding scene I have ever seen :D :D

Shooting Jack the monkey out of the cannon was just funny. Cruel but funny. That was surprise that Tia was Calipso and the Giant Calispo just didn't make sense to me.

The last scene after the credits was great. worth the wait.

[orithil]

yes i do agree they could have done without all the jacks but it had good action scenes humour and was very enjoyable for me and everyone at the movie theater loved it least from the clapping i heard :p

[Elfmaster XK]

I know it is meant to be funny, and in places it is. Don't get me wrong. It had good bits, and visually it was exceptional.

By nonsense I mean the whole thing with Calypso. What has she got to do with pirates in the 18th Century? (or is it 17th? I always get my centuries mixed up :p ) She was a greek sea nymph, and by the time this is set, long forgotton about. Plus, she wasn't a goddess who controlled the sea, the ruler of the sea was Poseidan. So even if you accepted that they were now believing in heathen gods (as mentioned by Barbossa) then it still doesn't make sense.

AND, the whole free her or don't free her came to a pointless end as she just disappeared off! She didn't do anything except make a bit of a storm, which I suppose is the equivelent of having a strop. If they had made her disappear and then suddenly sink all the enemy ship, at least it would have been worth watching her come back for something.

The other problem I had was they tried to tell the story of Will, Elizabeth, Jack, Davy Jones, Beckett, Barbossa...all at once. It was hard to follow because the characters never seemed to say what they were doing, or who they trusted. Everyone was against each other. There were too many plot threads to follow. You know when you read a book which has too many main POV characters? It was kind of like that.

Those are my main problems with it.

[Butterbeer]

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[b.banner]

it was okay just as good as the first one not as good as the second.

[orithil]

I know it is meant to be funny, and in places it is. Don't get me wrong. It had good bits, and visually it was exceptional.

By nonsense I mean the whole thing with Calypso. What has she got to do with pirates in the 18th Century? (or is it 17th? I always get my centuries mixed up :p ) She was a greek sea nymph, and by the time this is set, long forgotton about. Plus, she wasn't a goddess who controlled the sea, the ruler of the sea was Poseidan. So even if you accepted that they were now believing in heathen gods (as mentioned by Barbossa) then it still doesn't make sense.

AND, the whole free her or don't free her came to a pointless end as she just disappeared off! She didn't do anything except make a bit of a storm, which I suppose is the equivelent of having a strop. If they had made her disappear and then suddenly sink all the enemy ship, at least it would have been worth watching her come back for something.

The other problem I had was they tried to tell the story of Will, Elizabeth, Jack, Davy Jones, Beckett, Barbossa...all at once. It was hard to follow because the characters never seemed to say what they were doing, or who they trusted. Everyone was against each other. There were too many plot threads to follow. You know when you read a book which has too many main POV characters? It was kind of like that.

Those are my main problems with it.


yes your right

[me9996]

I haven't seen it, but it must be a good movie by the amount of spoilered text.

[Nurvingiel]

I haven't seen it yet, and I'm glad to hear it's better than the second one, because that one kind of stank. I'm excited to see it, I'll post back when I do! :D

[Rosie Gamgee]

I haven't seen it, but it must be a good movie by the amount of spoilered text.
Or else a really lousy one. ;)

[HOBBIT]

better than second one, but that isn't saying much. needlessly long and confusing.

[rohirrim TR]

better than second one, but that isn't saying much. needlessly long and confusing.
Saying its better than the second is like saying Hitler is not as evil as Stalin cause he didn't kill as many. Horrible movie, it destroyed enough braincells to make me want to go see Live free or Die hard. :p

[Acalewia]

ok I don't know if I'm the only one who noticed this but in Dead Man's Chest Beckett said he and Jack left their marks on each other. We know Beckett left a brand on Jack but it was never explained what mark Jack left on Beckett :confused:


And with as much whining (for lack of a better word) Will did about his father being a pirate he sure ended up acting like a pirate.

[sun-star]

I thought it was pretty enjoyable and, considering I haven't seen the second film, not that hard to follow. It was far too long though, and I agree with Rosie that characters dying loses its impact when just about everyone has already died and been resurrected. I thought there were potentially interesting elements which were just glossed over - they should have cut out the endless deal-making, which was pointless anyway since everyone was double-crossing everyone else, and explored the different races of pirates in more detail. They looked cool, but hardly any of them were on screen for more than a few seconds! Also, it wasn't really clear to me why the audience are supposed to be rooting for the pirates against the navy, since everyone was behaving unattractively, including Will and Elizabeth.

Can anyone explain to me what was going on with the multiple Jacks? Was that explained in the second film?

[tolkienfan]

ok I don't know if I'm the only one who noticed this but in Dead Man's Chest Beckett said he and Jack left their marks on each other. We know Beckett left a brand on Jack but it was never explained what mark Jack left on Beckett :confused:
You're right, that's annoying. If they're going to put that stuff in there it should have a point. :rolleyes: Beckett really hated Jack though, so it must have been a big mark :eek: Maybe it wasn't an actual physical mark, more like a hatred and revenge sort of mark. (but what exactly did Jack ever do to him? hmm...)

And with as much whining (for lack of a better word) Will did about his father being a pirate he sure ended up acting like a pirate. That was the whole point of the first movie, he realized you can be a pirate and a good man.


I thought it was pretty enjoyable and, considering I haven't seen the second film, not that hard to follow. It was far too long though, and I agree with Rosie that characters dying loses its impact when just about everyone has already died and been resurrected. I thought there were potentially interesting elements which were just glossed over - they should have cut out the endless deal-making, which was pointless anyway since everyone was double-crossing everyone else, and explored the different races of pirates in more detail. They looked cool, but hardly any of them were on screen for more than a few seconds! Also, it wasn't really clear to me why the audience are supposed to be rooting for the pirates against the navy, since everyone was behaving unattractively, including Will and Elizabeth.
Because the bad guys killed Elizabeth's father and hung all those people in the beginning. Other than Barobossa's skeleton crew, none of the pirates really did much damage to innocent people. That's what I think. (Plus they lose, so that pretty much makes the pirates right. :p
Can anyone explain to me what was going on with the multiple Jacks? Was that explained in the second film?
No, there wasn't any of that in the 2nd one. He went partly insane while trapped in the desert, so at times he was seeing a few copies of himself. He was already kind of crazy to begin with, and in the 3rd one he just cracked. (IMO) Someone else I know thinks he really isn't crazy and those parts were just put in to be funny.

[sun-star]

Thanks. I did think those bits were funny, though strange :D

[i_love_faramir_32]

I have seen POTC 3 three times, and each time was better than the last. I especially loved Jack Sparrow's lines.

[Acalewia]

No, there wasn't any of that in the 2nd one. He went partly insane while trapped in the desert, so at times he was seeing a few copies of himself. He was already kind of crazy to begin with, and in the 3rd one he just cracked. (IMO) Someone else I know thinks he really isn't crazy and those parts were just put in to be funny.
He was insane to begin with being in Davy Jones' Locker didn't help plus he was rum deprived :p :p

[Noble Elf Lord]

ok I don't know if I'm the only one who noticed this but in Dead Man's Chest Beckett said he and Jack left their marks on each other. We know Beckett left a brand on Jack but it was never explained what mark Jack left on Beckett :confused:

Well, Jack keeps joking about that eunuchy - thing, so... :evil:

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

Well, Jack keeps joking about that eunuchy - thing, so... :evil:
LOL!



One word to describe this movie: WEIRD! I think Jack went a little too insane. The peanut thing was waay "out there" as far as weirdness goes. Only multiple Jack scene I enjoyed was the "Think like Will"/"Nobody move! I dropped me brain!" part. :D Bittersweet ending with Will dying. He looks comical with an earring and bandanna on. I wanted to laugh. The ending scene, I think, wasn't that worth it. I sort of guessed he would come back. But if they make another movie, it would have to be about the Fountain of Youth thing. And it would have to be 10 years later. Because you HAVE to have Will and Elizabeth, and now the not-so-handsome son. Oh boy. :rolleyes: :p

He was insane to begin with being in Davy Jones' Locker didn't help plus he was rum deprived :p :p
Another LOL. :p

[D.Sullivan]

That was the whole point of the first movie, he realized you can be a pirate and a good man.

Which is a silly concept in the first place, and ultimately why I don't like any of the films very much. This guy explains why I particularly disliked the second(and the third for that matter).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcckGXeFQ9g

[Acalewia]

One word to describe this movie: WEIRD! I think Jack went a little too insane. The peanut thing was waay "out there" as far as weirdness goes. Only multiple Jack scene I enjoyed was the "Think like Will"/"Nobody move! I dropped me brain!" part. :D Bittersweet ending with Will dying. He looks comical with an earring and bandanna on. I wanted to laugh. The ending scene, I think, wasn't that worth it. I sort of guessed he would come back. But if they make another movie, it would have to be about the Fountain of Youth thing. And it would have to be 10 years later. Because you HAVE to have Will and Elizabeth, and now the not-so-handsome son. Oh boy. :rolleyes: :p
Good point.

[HOBBIT]

Which is a silly concept in the first place, and ultimately why I don't like any of the films very much. This guy explains why I particularly disliked the second(and the third for that matter).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcckGXeFQ9g

Haha that was great.

[Nautipus]

I actually liked the movie overall, but my favorite two characters died: Davy Jones and the Kraken. :( :( :o

[rohirrim TR]

cracken! Cracken.. CRACKEN!!!????

[Nautipus]

DUDE!!! That was really loud, and it echoed. I live in an acoustic dead zone, so it's kind of creepy. Wow.
It's spelled Kraken, btw. ;) :D

[Curubethion]

Yeah, I finally saw this movie! Yeah, loved it! The ending was really interesting...and the secret ending, I liked how it brought everything full-circle. It was just like the beginning of the first movie.

I wonder what the fake pieces of eight were, then, the ones that the Dutch East India Company had.

And yeah, the parts with Jack's duplicates were a bit weird, but funny.

That swordfight between Davy and Jack was awesome.

[Nautipus]

That swordfight between Davy and Jack was awesome.

Truly.:D

[Valandil]

My wife and I rented it and saw it last weekend.

I didn't like it very much at all. Many of my critiques have already been covered. But really, wasn't the whole premise sort of bothersome? What... "Let's make the world safe for Piracy!"?? :p

Wasn't it totally ironic that the film was preceeded by a standard "FBI Anti-Piracy" statement? :D

Bad job all around. And now I'm seeing these advertisements on TV for the DVD's, touting PotC as "The Best Trilogy of the Decade". PUH-LEASE! :rolleyes:

Someone mentioned the swordfight... why couldn't I get PP vs CH out of my head? ;)

[Nautipus]

It definately wasnt the best of the three, and they certainly went overboard on alot of stuff (like all the Jacks, Pirate-Queen), but it did have its good points.

[Curubethion]

Aww, cmon, it was Pirates. Not as cool as ninjas, granted, but the premise of the movie was just to have some good fun.

And it was certainly NOT the best trilogy of the decade. *cough*LOTR*cough* Pfaff.

[Rosie Gamgee]

That swordfight between Davy and Jack was awesome.
Rubbish. Too much special-effecting going on. Give me the sword-fight in the smithy in the original film any day.

[Mari]

Yeah, I finally saw this movie! Yeah, loved it! The ending was really interesting...and the secret ending, I liked how it brought everything full-circle. It was just like the beginning of the first movie.

I wonder what the fake pieces of eight were, then, the ones that the Dutch East India Company had.

And yeah, the parts with Jack's duplicates were a bit weird, but funny.

That swordfight between Davy and Jack was awesome.
2 things:
1) secret ending? Did I miss something?
2) Not the Dutch East India Company, the Caribean was mainly British teritory, and Beckett is British too. So I don't think it is the Dutch EIC. Wasn't there a British equivalent or the ordinary British fleet active in that area?

[Curubethion]

1. There's an ending after the credits on every movie. In the first movie, it brought a plot point up that you found out in the second movie. In the second movie, it was just a funny scene. In the third movie, it was a nice artistic touch.

2. I looked it up, and it is the East India Trading Company, as little sense as that may make.
No. The logo of the VOC (Vereenigde Oostindische Compagnie or VOC in old-spelling Dutch, literally "United East Indian Company") consisted of a large capital 'V' with an O on the left and a C on the right leg.

It must be noted there was also a British owned East India Company that indeed had its own fleet and army. In fact it was its own government in the East, running British India as its own private property until the Sepoy Rebellion in the 19th Century and pretty much controlling the Malacca Straits (and thus Singapore), largely making it the center of South East Asian trade. Is the flag used in the film accurate? No, it is not. The British East India Company (established in 1600) used a version of the British naval ensign with 13 red and white stripes, but without the company logo. As for the company logo, I can give no definitive answer on this as all I've ever seen is the company ensign. As to what a company whose entire interest was in the Indian Ocean would be doing in the Caribbean, much less ordering the Royal Governor of that same region's wealthiest (and thus most influencial) colony is quite beyond me. As an aside and bit of trivia, the BEIC ensign is (quite by accident) indentical to the Continental Colors, the first flag of the (soon to be) United States, flown by General Washington on the 2nd January, 1776.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0383574/faq

[Mari]

Ah I see, I allready thought we never really had anything to say in the Caribean. Nice to know I'm right for a change. Didn't know the two companies went by the same name though. Thanks for looking it up. :)

[Belwen_of_nargothrond]

I saw this movie in the theatre and now I am the proud owner of a copy of it. I loved this one. They are all very good, but this one is my favorite.