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Peter_20
04-10-2007, 07:46 AM
As you most likely know, The Silmarillion contains various family trees of different "houses" and whatnot; however, the House of Finwë, strictly speaking, is incorrect.
While the most important details are perfectly correct (Fëanor being the son of Finwë and so on), there *are* a few details that I personally think should be re-edited in a possible future edition.
Below are some differences I've found through research, and I guess most of you will find it fairly interesting.
The names of the siblings are written from eldest to youngest, from left to right:

*Ingwë had an older sibling, "?", whom in turn was the parent of Indis
*Ingwë also had a child, and that child was named Ingwion
*Olwë had two (younger?) brothers: Elwë and Elmo
*Elmo had one son: Galadhon
*Galadhon was the father of Celeborn
*Indis bore Finwë four children: Findis, Fingolfin, Írimë and Finarfin
*Fingolfin wedded a woman named Anarië
*Fingolfin and Anarië had four children: Fingon, Turgon, Aredhel and Argon
*Fingon was NOT the father of Gil-galad; Orodreth was the real father
*Turgon indeed wedded Elenwë, but she's not mentioned in the family tree
*Írimë had one son: Aranwë
*Aranwë in turn had an own son: Voronwë, whom Tuor meets later
*Orodreth was the son of Angrod
*Angrod wedded a woman named Edhellos, and she bore him Orodreth
*Orodreth was the father of Finduilas and Gil-galad

Noteworthy events that were never published:

*when Fëanor burns the ships at Losgar, Amras dies in the flames
*Findis remains in Aman, but Írimë follows Fingolfin through the Helcaraxë
*Argon is slain in the Dagor-nuin-Giliath

Feanaro
04-10-2007, 09:11 AM
me personally was never keen on amras dying at the burning of the ships, something about it that just doesn't fit

anway the seven sons of feanor sounds better than the six sons of feanor IMO

Peter_20
04-10-2007, 01:55 PM
me personally was never keen on amras dying at the burning of the ships, something about it that just doesn't fit

anway the seven sons of feanor sounds better than the six sons of feanor IMOI agree.
I also always liked the idea of the two hunters Amrod and Amras; it just isn't the same when only Amrod rides around in Beleriand. :cool:

I guess Tolkien's intention was to add some further darkness on Fëanor's character. :D

I like that dude Argon, which is pretty funny seeing as I know nothing about him. :D
For some reason I got the impression he was this loyal and silent kind of character, a lot like Finwë.

Curufin
03-26-2008, 06:24 PM
I like the burning of the ships. I think it gives us further insight into Fëanor's character, and I like the interchange between Fëanor and Nerdanel over children that precedes that in The Shibboleth of Fëanor, where she declares that 'one at least will not set foot in Middle-earth.' Pretty cool.

As for Argon (or Arakáno, in Quenya), according to The Shibboleth of Fëanor, he died in the Battle of the Lammoth, when Fingolfin first arrived in Middle-earth. Here's what it says:

Arakáno was the tallest of the brothers and the most impetuous, but his name was never changed to Sindarin form, for he perished in the first battle of Fingolfin's host with the Orks, the Battle of Lammoth (but the Sindarin form Argon was often later given as a name by the Noldor and Sindar in memory of his valor.

I'm afraid that's all we really know about him. ;)

Aikanáro
04-12-2008, 03:40 PM
I think Amras' death should have been included, too. I liked this passage:

The two twins were both red-haired. Nerdanel gave them both the name Ambarussa - for they were much alike and remained so while they lived. When Fëanor begged that their names should at least be different Nerdanel looked strange, and after a while said: 'Then let one be called [Ambarto >] Umbarto, but which, time will decide.'

Fëanor was disturbed by this ominous name ('Fated'), and changed it to Ambarto - or in some versions thought Nerdanel had said Ambarto, using the same first element as in Ambarussa (sc. amba + Quenya arta 'exalted, lofty'). But Nerdanel said: 'Umbarto I spoke; yet do as you wish. It will make no difference.'

It seems that even while they were young Nerdanel was able to see what lay ahead - of course when Amras - Umbarto - then dies at Losgar, this prophetic naming makes sense.

I've always wished more was written about Írimë, it would have been very interesting to know what she did in Middle-Earth, or anything more about her.

Curufin
04-13-2008, 01:37 AM
Yes, I think the death of Amras is important to Fëanor's character building...I'm not quite sure why CT left it out of the published Silmarillion...

The Dread Pirate Roberts
04-13-2008, 08:08 AM
Which HoME was this in?

Curufin
04-13-2008, 09:59 AM
My quote and Aikanáro's are from HoME 12, The Shibboleth of Fëanor.

The Dread Pirate Roberts
04-13-2008, 10:20 AM
Cool. Another one to add to my reading list.
:D

Curufin
04-13-2008, 10:23 AM
Just add all of HoME to your reading list...much simpler. ;)

BeardofPants
04-13-2008, 02:31 PM
Oh god no, stumbling through the LOTR HoMEs are quite painful. o.O

Curufin
04-13-2008, 02:37 PM
:D Agreed, but it's worth it to be able to say that you've read them all. Of course, you could just do the first five and the last four...;)

Aikanáro
04-13-2008, 03:17 PM
I think volumes 1-3, 10 and 12 are certainly worth reading. The others of the series I've tried to read I just couldn't get through. I wish that wasn't the case, but so it is. :)