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Peter_20
03-09-2007, 07:45 AM
Eöl obviously had a strong dislike for all Elves of Noldorin race, and so I find it rather weird how he desired Aredhel so much.
I mean, she even named their son in the Quenya tongue, and still he didn't seem to get it.

Oh, and as a side note, it's stated early in the book that Aredhel never gave her heart's love to anyone, but she did have hot sex with Eöl and lived with him for several years, didn't she?

jammi567
03-09-2007, 12:37 PM
A couple of points:

1) She didn't tell him that she was Nolorin
2) The was was the secret name, and her son (forgotten name) was told to keep it quiet
3) She was forced to against her will

The last sane person
03-09-2007, 04:55 PM
Whoa, elf on elf rape? Hmm, strange. Generally in all the stories the elf women fade or die if that happens. For honor's sake or what not. Son's name was Maeglin?

jammi567
03-09-2007, 05:42 PM
That's it. I knew it either began with an F or an M.

Lady Marion Magdalena
03-10-2007, 12:53 AM
The son's name was Maeglin, his quenya name (which Aredhel did indeed give him in secret) was Lomion. Eol, I believe was aware of her being a noldo, but didn't hate them enough to not desire one of them. Whether or not she was willing is left ambiguous. It is implied that Eol seduced her so that while she may have been willing during the sex, she probably regretted it immediately afterwards but couldn't leave.

Elemmírë
03-10-2007, 06:59 PM
I think that his hatred of the Noldor was one of the reasons he did take Aredhel as his wife, rather than something that would have prevented him from doing so. I think it's rather clear from the way he treated her that she was more of a possession for him than anything else; for Eöl, seducing Aredhel probably represented a conquest for him over her family.

The last sane person
03-10-2007, 09:17 PM
Sheesh. Middle Earth date rape... Poor chick got it in the end.

Landroval
03-12-2007, 05:26 AM
Rape is contrary to Elf nature
They are not easily deceived by their own kind; and their spirits being masters of their bodies, they are seldom swayed by the desires of the body only, but are by nature continent and steadfast.
The text states that :"it is not said that Aredhel was wholly unwilling, nor that her life in Nan Elmoth was hateful to her for many years" - I would say this is even more true when it came to intimate relations. There is a quote in HoME X, IIRC, where it states that an elf would leave his body when aggressed like this.