The Hobbit movie will happen!

[Earniel]

Hobbit movie without Peter Jackson (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/6167972.stm)

According to the BBC website, New Line will go ahead with bringing 'The Hobbit' to the big screen. But without Peter Jackson at the helm, since he's still in dispute with New Line on the cash earned on the LoTR movies.

Still, it would be awefully nice if they'd be able to get sir Ian McKellen do return as Gandalf.

Allow me a short fangirl scream: Hobbit Movie! Wheeeeeeee! :D

[Curubethion]

Wow...this could be interesting. I really hope that WETA and Co. gets in on this, although that ain't likely, since they're really involved closely with PJ. But they did a stellar job on LOTR.

[byrde123]

What I couldn't figure out was, why PJ didn't just do the Hobbit while he was at it in the first place? While he had the people, the place, etc......I mean doesn't The Hobbit go hand in hand with the Trilogy? PJ did a beautiful job, visually excellent. But, I would love to see The Hobbit done by PJ.

[rohirrim TR]

Good Lord look at that pic of PJ talk about lost weight. Doesn't even look like him. :eek:

So How about Andrew Adamson to direct hobbit? Make a good fake headline doncha think? :D :evil:

[Arien the Maia]

I think that this will quite possibly be better than LotR simply because it's a shorter book so they won't cut have to cut much out (hopefully!)

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Hobbit without Jackson; sounds hopeful. :)

But does anyone else wonder what this prequel they are talking about is?

Jackson, a devoted Tolkien fan, said he had been removed from the Hobbit project by New Line, who also hold the rights to a second Lord of the Rings prequel.

Meetings with film executives had been planned, Jackson explained, but then New Line called his manager to tell him that the company "would no longer be requiring our services on The Hobbit and the prequel".

New Line was "actively looking to hire another film-maker for both projects", Jackson added.

What is this "second Lord of the Rings prequel"?

[cee2lee2]

Don't know what they are referring to as a 2nd prequel to LOTR. Did anyone else hear that The Hobbit is being planned as 2 movies? Could that be what is meant?

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Since the second quote mentions "the Hobbit and the prequel", I doubt it.

[Lady Ravyn]

Good Lord look at that pic of PJ talk about lost weight. Doesn't even look like him. :eek:

So How about Andrew Adamson to direct hobbit? Make a good fake headline doncha think? :D :evil:

omg! :eek: he looks like dominic monaghan's character, charlie, on lost! (in a VERY bizarre sort of way... o.O )

Anyway, has anyone seen...
this??? (http://www.theonering.net/perl/newsview/1/1164235638)

[rohirrim TR]

Sam Raimi would be excellent.

[orithil]

will they still film it in new zealand though i mean the scenary that this country has truely brought middle earth to life.

[Rían]

What is this "second Lord of the Rings prequel"?Betcha it's the Sil!

[rohirrim TR]

will they still film it in new zealand though i mean the scenary that this country has truely brought middle earth to life.
They probably will because its the fad right now. They don't need to at all, they could film them all here in the U.S. we have some of the most beutiful scenery in the world scattered about our continent.

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Betcha it's the Sil!

That's what I'm afraid of. Very, very afraid of.

I'm just crossing my fingers and hoping its a film adaptation of Christopher's latest work. That's the only light I can see on the horizon.

[Rían]

That's what I'm afraid of. Very, very afraid of. :D :eek: :D :eek: :D

[The last sane person]

Oh god, the sil on tv would kill it. great eye candy for fangirls though. no story though.

[jammi567]

Some of the seperate stories could work well eg. 'Beren and Luthein' and 'Turin Turambar'.

We can only hope that whoever does it doesn't strech the movie out too long, otherwise, it could get boring.

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Oh god, the sil on tv would kill it. great eye candy for fangirls though. no story though.

Nah, the problem is there is too much story!

Beren and Luthien cannot work on the screen. No matter how beautiful the actress you find, she will not be Luthien.

Turin would have some scenes I can't imagine being brought to the screen well, especially the bits with Hurin and Morgoth, where the children are first cursed. And you really couldn't skip that part...

[The last sane person]

Exactly, too much, so they cut out and you are left with no story. Just eye candy.

[hectorberlioz]

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[Rían]

heehee! Good one, hector! :D

But come ON, now - we need to see Leggy in a corner somewhere in the Elvenking's humble little dwelling - AND we need to see him fighting alongside his daddykins at the Battle of the Three Armies!!!

[Gwaimir Windgem]

I approve over all. I oppose conditions 3 + 4; not that I was that keen on McKellen as Gandalf, but I don't want to see Gandalf transmuted into someone else. I am neutral on conditions 12 + 15. As a whole, though, spot on.

[Tig]

I know I'm alone on this one, I should guess, but I think The Hobbit without Peter Jackson is a crime! As well as no Ian M. He is Gandalf, there's no replacements. I think that if things don't make a turn around this movie is going to be a big let down, which is a shame. On another note, I heard the 'second prequel' is going to be a movie about the White Council, something or other.

[hectorberlioz]

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[Tig]

Yes, I've listened to the commentaries. But he was just following the books, or so it was said in those same commentaries. You refer to the Hobbit-love, correct? Hand holding and whatnot?

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Sir Ian McKellen tried to make it a gay thing, yes.

Hardly blasphemous, though, Hector. And he's a good actor, even if I didn't think his Gandalf was too great.

[hectorberlioz]

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[Valandil]

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5) Must not cut ANY scenes, segments, even Beorn.

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Not only will Peter Jackson leave Beorn in the story, he will PLAY Beorn!!! :eek:



:D :p

[captain carrot]

once he's been to the barbers for a trim.

[hectorberlioz]

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[Gwaimir Windgem]

It certainly is blasphemous to the books and to Tolkien. Next thing you know, Gollum's "precious" is going to mean something else, and the Ring is going to be an engagement ring:p....
He certainly can't prove he was just following the books.

If it's blasphemous, that means the Lord of the Rings is your religion. :p

He's a good actor, but he is dispensable enough to find a better Gandalf. I wasn't too appreciative of his and PJ's idea of a "Samurai Mithrandir", Gandalf the White.

I'd prefer continuity. And Samurai Mithrandir? What the hey?

[The last sane person]

What, did I miss something? I didn't see Gandalf with a top knot in any of the LOTR movies.

[hectorberlioz]

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[Rían]

I'm re-reading The Hobbit to the kiddos. We just got to Beorn, and Gandy's clever little story-telling ploy. That was a fun part!

Seriously, I don't know how a movie would go ...

[captain carrot]

best scene the take on Noah's hotel ... and ironically, one Ian would do well ...

Hector ,as usual, has his wonderful mis-match of good and interesting ... and downright "pantie" points as ever .... :p


i actually think it would be hard to F-up the Hobbit ... it's easy-going and jovial ...

but i am glad PJ is not on the case.

[captain carrot]

I'm re-reading The Hobbit to the kiddos. We just got to Beorn, and Gandy's clever little story-telling ploy. That was a fun part!

Seriously, I don't know how a movie would go ...


do you do slightly different voices for the characters Ri?

..i do for my God-daughter and nieces .. and me dad did for me ....

Now, that is an honest hour well spent that is fun :)

best, CC

[hectorberlioz]

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[Lotesse]

It's easy to assume it can't be messed up, and that's the trap: it can be easily messed up; by first assuming that it can't.

Totally agree with you here. I'm not betting on The Hobit being a great film, I'm staying damn cynical about it until we see what they've produced. Personally, I wish Ian McKellan would stay as Gandlaf, as far as I'm concerned no one else is Gandalf. And I'd prefer Peter Jackson to direct The Hobbit, as long as he stayed strict-true to the book this time and not go nuts with his own artistic interpretations of stuff, like he did with more than a few key points of story in his LotR trilogy films. But I'm a loyal fan of PJs, I don't care what all the snobby naysayers say. I appreciate PJ.

Hmm, but I don't know, about this Hobbit movie, I don't know, we'll see...

[captain carrot]

the tone is much more suited to a 21st century big bucks production though.

That to me is the difference.

( i mean in relation to the LOTR in Tolkien terms)

I think PJ after all the well documented bitterness with New Line on rights and commercial legalities, was just no longer an option ... it'd effectively be like Heaven asking satan to direct the nativity this year ....



... just turn the other cheek! :D

wouldn't wash!

If that is the fact, then it's best they move it on to a director whom they can trust.

what a ****ed-up world we live in , huh?

[hectorberlioz]

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[Lotesse]

They wouldn't even bother taking the five seconds it would take to laugh in our collective faces. The studios could care less what fans ask for! They have no soul. It's purely all about money to the studios. It's business, huge, huge business, not art. They could care less about art.

[hectorberlioz]

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[captain carrot]

They wouldn't even bother taking the five seconds it would take to laugh in our collective faces. The studios could care less what fans ask for! They have no soul. It's purely all about money to the studios. It's business, huge, huge business, not art. They could care less about art.So, so true of the commercial production industry, esp in distribution terms.


But there ya goes ...

but art need not be unenjoyable - nor sustainable - else it is held to ridicule as elitist and the kind of thing Ghandi would die rather than defend ...

neither, indeed, need it be obscure to the point that it is hateful.

But the Buck rules the muse to a degree that has become well beyond the (sadly) expected pale.

[hectorberlioz]

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[captain carrot]

Who Ysa Talking To?

[hectorberlioz]

You of course;), you have that flowing and flowery phrasing that gets you so much attention from the ladies:p

[Lotesse]

That's why we should all remember to support and encourage indie film and independent filmmakers as much as possible. There is where art can be free of studio manipulation; the last bastion of truth and art in film, Indie productions. It's just that it takes so, so much money to produce a dazzling film, so many filmmakers have to resort to going to the big studios for financial support, and then the studios get to screw with the art at their whim. That's why Douglas Fairbanks, Mary Pickford, Charlie Chaplin and them got together bakc when they did to make it so the artists themselves could call their own shots in filmmaking. United Artists, was that the studio they made? I think so. Of course, in time all the mondo studios end up getting the control, somehow. Hollywood is such a dirty business.

[captain carrot]

it ain't easy, that's for sure - you walk so many high pressure tight-ropes so many times ...

you can learn to live with that ..but the moment you get too comfortable it'll all go pear ...






You of course, you have that flowing and flowery phrasing that gets you so much attention from the ladies

are you kidding around in the context here, Hec????

i type whatever the knob i think ... what the knob are you implying? :mad:

Bah - i better take a time-out ... thinmgs are nuts here at the mo ...

[Lotesse]

Jesus, calm down ButterCarrot, Hector was giving you a compliment! Can't you recognise a flattery when one's directed at you? He was flattering you!

[captain carrot]

mmm.... that's why i took a time out :o

but i was replying to the neo-con standard "you reading from a book" jibe , just for the record.

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tho apparently i misquoted the wrong bleedin wotsit ... :rolleyes:

[Rían]

do you do slightly different voices for the characters Ri?

..i do for my God-daughter and nieces .. and me dad did for me ....

Now, that is an honest hour well spent that is fun :)

best, CCYes, I do change the voices a bit :) and there's nothing like reading to the kids! Good stuff!

I read The Hobbit to them a few years ago on a summer vacation. I'd read while we were driving - sometimes for hours! They were merciless! ;) "C'mon, mom, you've rested your voice enough - read some more!!!"

[Gwaimir Windgem]

That is stupid! You would sacrifice the chance for something better just to see Ian McKellen's old foggy face as gandalf again, after THREE movies? What are you, an addict? Why on earth does continuity matter so much to people? The Hobbit should avoid the crimes committed on LotR.

I want Gandalf to have one face.

That picture is not Samurai. So he has a sword. So what?

[Earniel]

I thought sir Ian McKellen was fine as Gandalf, couldn't think of a better actor for the role, and I too would like to see him back again in the Hobbit. So there. :p

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Aha! You would not dare to go against Earniel, would you! Oppose the fair lady? I think not! ;)

[ItalianLegolas]

I too wonder what exactly what you have against Ian McKellen HB... and of course they can mess the movie up, haven't you heard of Uwe Boll?

[hectorberlioz]

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[Earniel]

I'm wondering why on earth you guys are falling all over McKellen's feet trying to protect him from criticism;)...

My problem with him is this: he's a meddler, and after FotR his Gandalf sank. I thought and still do think that he was excellent in FotR.
Not falling over anyone's feet or protecting anyone from criticism. I just think he was a good Gandalf. *shrugs* I liked his Gandalf the Grey better than his Gandalf the White, though.

And it's not like Gandalf never was a meddler in some cases too. :p

[Gwaimir Windgem]

I'm hardly doing that, Hector dear. In fact, I believe I've said before that I'm not too enthused about his Gandalf. It is, however, decent, and the continuity would be worth keeping the old Gandalf. If we got a new one, we would have no guarantee that he was any better than Sir Ian McKellen.

So why do you want to drop Ian Holm?

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[Gwaimir Windgem]

Makeup can do amazing things, my dear. ;)

[Finrod Felagund]

I'm afraid I disagree mostly on you Ian Mckellen count...I though he was great as Gandalf the Grey (the white had its issues)

[Lotesse]

So, so true of the commercial production industry, esp in distribution terms.


But there ya goes ...

but art need not be unenjoyable - nor sustainable - else it is held to ridicule as elitist and the kind of thing Ghandi would die rather than defend ...

neither, indeed, need it be obscure to the point that it is hateful.

But the Buck rules the muse to a degree that has become well beyond the (sadly) expected pale.

Are you reading from a book?

No, silly goos he never "reads from a book," BB has got one of those very rare gifts one has to be born having, he's an artist. You can't create an artist, or turn yourself into one if you've not been born to that manner. He's gifted; jealous a little perhaps? :D :D Or, maybe you really were complimenting BB in a sort of politically cunning back-handed way... One never knows, with these ego-centric composer/politician types, hee hee -


Gandalf is Ian McKellan, no doubt about it. Of all the other characters they can change actors about when it comes to The Hobbit movie, McKellan will be the one and only one that'll be best not changed, or the whole thing'll fall hollow, I say. Ian is the genuis glue that holds the film interpretation so beautifully together. I doubt it'll end up happening, but wouldn't it be so, so cool? McKellan IS Gandalf. Period. White, Grey, you name it.Bar absolutely none.

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[rohirrim TR]

Yeah I watched EE the other day and in ROTK you could almost have the movie without him, he doesn't do anything and they basically make him a wimp. Not to mention how when he rescues Faramir's men Pippin is riding in front of him...that always grates on my nerves for some reason. ...m'yeah he's kinda pathetic in RoTK EE.

[The Gaffer]

Not to mention how when he rescues Faramir's men Pippin is riding in front of him.
Never noticed that. Gag!

How's it going to look him hiding from orcs up a tree? :D

[hectorberlioz]

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[tolkienfan]

Yeah I watched EE the other day and in ROTK you could almost have the movie without him, he doesn't do anything and they basically make him a wimp. Not to mention how when he rescues Faramir's men Pippin is riding in front of him...that always grates on my nerves for some reason. ...m'yeah he's kinda pathetic in RoTK EE.
Well, I think he is still important to the movie, he still does a lot. (but not as much, he could do more) As for Pippin, that part annoys me to no end! I always notice that. :mad: Do you think it was a mistake?

[hectorberlioz]

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[rohirrim TR]

Well, I think he is still important to the movie, he still does a lot. (but not as much, he could do more) As for Pippin, that part annoys me to no end! I always notice that. :mad: Do you think it was a mistake?
It wasn't really a mistake...more of a continuity error cause Gandalf & Pippin we're going to arrive at the same time as Faramir was evacuating, but the time line didn't work and they we're too lazy to shoot any kind of pick-up, and I guess they couldn't (or didn't want to spend money trying) erase pippin from the shots.

[Rána Eressëa]

It just won't be the same without PJ, but I'm sure most of us will go see it anyway.

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Anyway, or with all the more reason? (HINT: The latter answer is correct. ;))

[hectorberlioz]

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NEWS ABOUT alleged "hobbits"!

The old thread ( http://www.entmoot.com/showthread.php?t=11548&highlight=hobbit+species) on this is closed (and I can't find the alleged thread on GM, apologies to SGH), but I thought ya'll might be interested in the ongoing debate about H. floresiensis...

see here : http://www.livescience.com/humanbiology/070129_hobbit_microceph.html

"New computerized casts of abnormally small Homo sapiens brains are reigniting the debate over the skeletal remains nicknamed "The Hobbit." "

Now HB, what if they were to find a H. gandalfiensis who matched Ian Mc.? :p

[hectorberlioz]

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[Jon S.]

Saying McClellan must always play Gandalf because you liked him in the LOTR and got used to him is like saying you have to marry the first girl you #$&%ed because it was good and that's also the only experience you have.

Sir Ian was fine in LOTR but he ain't the only good actor in town.

[hectorberlioz]

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[Curubethion]

McClellan? He really sucked as a Civil War general, and I'd hate to see him playing Gandalf. :p

Ian McKellen...on the other hand...I liked him, personally, but even if you didn't like him, you've got to admit that it's going to cause serious continuity issues if you change the actor. I mean, compare to having someone like...oh, I dunno...Mel Gibson as Aragorn for the very last movie? Yah, that would be distracting.

[Gwaimir Windgem]

10 Reasons Gandalf HAS GOT to go.

10) We're all way too attached to a mediocre/decent Gandalf when we could have a better one.

9) Ian McKellen helped mess up the story and script of LotR.

8) Ian McKellen is too much of a "lovable" and laughing Gandalf whose eyes sparkle 24/7.

7) We don't need anymore "hobbits are amazing creatures" inside jokes.

6) I can't take another Japanese Spa Scene whereby Gandalf has his hair straightened, and lies in the very shiny tanning bed.

5) McKellen just isn't that convincing in the role...

4) Gandalf does not act like he is the King of Gondor one moment, and the next pouts about Life to Pippin.

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10) Piddle.
9) Piddle.
8) Fair enough, granted.
7) Say wha?
6) Nincompoop. That doesn't have to do with Ian McKellen.
5) This is a repetition of 8.
4) Piddle.
3-1) Ooo, invisible reasons! How fascinating!

Saying McClellan must always play Gandalf because you liked him in the LOTR and got used to him is like saying you have to marry the first girl you #$&%ed because it was good and that's also the only experience you have.

Sir Ian was fine in LOTR but he ain't the only good actor in town.

Whew! Lucky I'm not saying that.

[Earniel]

Saying McClellan must always play Gandalf because you liked him in the LOTR and got used to him is like saying you have to marry the first girl you #$&%ed because it was good and that's also the only experience you have.

Sir Ian was fine in LOTR but he ain't the only good actor in town.
That's very nice for your girl friend: "Sorry love, but you ain't the only girl in town. I'm off to get some more experience." Real classy.

I don't think 'there are other good actors' is a good enough argument to get a new name to play Gandalf. If we follow that argument we should remake and remake every other movie just to get other good actors to play that specific character for want of another experience.

I'd say, if you didn't like him and want another man to take up the grey robes and pointy hat, by all means, do. But if it ain't broke, no need to fix it.

But instead of continue knocking sir Ian McKellen, lets look at other good Gandalf possibilities. Which other good actor would you like to play Gandalf instead?

[hectorberlioz]

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[Earniel]

True, it doesn't have to be a known actor.

Earniel, is the only reason you and Gwai want to keep McKellen because you want to play it safe?;)

I can't speak for Gwai, but for myself: hardly. And I'm sure I have already said several times why I'd like McKellen to return for the role.

[Al Gore]

I think I would make a dashing Aragorn....

[hectorberlioz]

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[Earniel]

Oh haha. :rolleyes:

You know hector, if I wanted Gandalf to be eye-candy, I'd have lobbied for the likes of Hugh Jackman by now...

[hectorberlioz]

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[Earniel]

Jealous much?

[hectorberlioz]

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[Peter_20]

I sincerely hope that they won't make weird arrangements like leaving out The Unexpected Party or crap-ideas like this.

Movies based on books have this tendency to rush everything, so don't expect any slow development like in the book.

*Gandalf SHOULD chat a while with Bilbo at the door-step
*The Dwarves SHOULD make a long visit so as to let the audience get to know them
*The party SHOULD visit Beorn
*The movie SHOULD explain the situation in the Elven-king's halls

PLEASE, don't leave this out.

[Tom_Bombadil]

How dissapointing. I was expecting this post to be about a possible Hobbit movie but all it centered around was one man's obsessive, opinionated, ill-founded critique of an actor. If there was an intelligent foundation for the criticism it wouldn't be so bad.

You are never going to have a completely satisfactory and accurate transition from book to film...they are entirely different mediums. A character in a book will always lose some profundity when taken to the big screen and it has to be; in most cases, visual over character because that's what movies are.

Given the circumstances Ian Mckellen did a great interpretation of Gandalf. Lets not forget he's an actor not a director, working for a director who's visual effects orientated. Honestly, who is going to play a perfect Gandalf? A demi-god in the form of an old man?

We are talking about an actor who has over forty years of acting experience playing an extremely difficult role for a visually obsessed director.

You are living in dreamworld if you think someone could ever play Gandalf perfectly on screen. Gandalf by his very nature is enigmatic...No one knows what he was like as Olorin...how much he revealed of his true nature through Gandalf and how much he did not.

If you were a thespian with four decades of experience also you would be in the position to criticise peer performances. Or maybe its not his performance you have a problem with...maybe its his sexuality. Who knows.

[hectorberlioz]

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[Rían]

If you were a thespian with four decades of experience also you would be in the position to criticise peer performances. YOU gave an opinion on his performance - you said, "Given the circumstances Ian Mckellen did a great interpretation of Gandalf." Are YOU a thespian with four decades of experience? Lighten up, Bombadil! :) He gave an opinion just like you did.

Personally, I thought he was a very good Gandalf in the first movie. But as soon as he got white, he came off as pretentious most of the time. But I think that was mostly Jackson's fault.

[Rosie Gamgee]

To quote the famous hobbit himself:

Hear, hear!!

[Curubethion]

Personally, I thought he was a very good Gandalf in the first movie. But as soon as he got white, he came off as pretentious most of the time. But I think that was mostly Jackson's fault.
Which means he'd be fine in TH, since...he's Gandy the Gray again.

[Tom_Bombadil]

Yes Rian I gave an opinion, which consisted of one sentence, not a multi page spanning rant, which is what I was complaining about if you read what I had written. Please, enlighten me...how did he come across as being "pretentious" in his Gandalf the White embodiment? It was my understanding, from reading the books, that in that incarnation he was meant to be more pretentious..more action...reveal more of his power. A naked flame, as it were, as compared with the grey ashes, hiding the power within.

Sometimes I think that maybe some things were lost in translation when the books passed across the pond.

Oh btw, hector...how did he "meddle'?

[Rían]

Yes Rian I gave an opinion, which consisted of one sentence, not a multi page spanning rant ... Is there some length limit on opinions that I'm not aware of? :p

... which is what I was complaining about if you read what I had written. Yes, I read it, and you didn't mention a "multi page spanning rant". You said, "How dissapointing. I was expecting this post to be about a possible Hobbit movie but all it centered around was one man's obsessive, opinionated, ill-founded critique of an actor."

I don't agree with your view of the situation, since lots of people were participating in a pleasant, fun, back-and-forth discussion. (and I thought your comment was a bit snarky for a newbie, too! :eek: )

Personally, I think Hector's posts are fun, and usually quite perceptive, too. I thought he had some good points.

Please, enlighten me...how did he come across as being "pretentious" in his Gandalf the White embodiment?
Nah, I wouldn't dare try to enlighten you, since I'm not a thespian with 40 years of experience! ;) :D

[Rían]

Which means he'd be fine in TH, since...he's Gandy the Gray again.
true - good point! Give the man his pointy hat back! :D

[Tom_Bombadil]

You said I didn't mention about the rant but then provided the evidence underneath! In my own words. Maybe you missed the fact that it was implied. I'll overlook your limitations.

Would have been nice if you could have tried to answer my questions rather that trying to be witty. I thought this was a place to exchange ideas about Tolkien's books, more so than trying to be popular.

[Rían]

You said I didn't mention about the rant ... I didn't say that. I said you didn't mention a "multi page spanning rant". And if you gotta go for that it was "implied", that's a pretty weak defense. "multi page rant" does not necessarily equal "one man's obsessive, opinionated, ill-founded critique of an actor." :)

I thought this was a place to exchange ideas about Tolkien's books, more so than trying to be popular.Anyway, I agree with you here. This is the main point, IMO, and that's why I objected when you, a new poster, come here and in what? your second post? call the opinion of a long-time member an "obsessive, opinionated, ill-founded critique of an actor."

You seem like a knowledgeable Tolkien fan, since you mentioned Olorin - why don't you share some of your thoughts about Tolkien's works, instead of attacking members? There's lots of good Tolkien threads, and I hope you will contribute to them and enjoy them :)

[brownjenkins]

I don't expect perfection, but I don't appreciate meddling, which was what McKellen did. Case closed on that.

Meddling is exactly what wizards do best. :D

I think Ian did an awesome job, whether he was wearing gray, white, or whatever.

[Rían]

I wonder if the producers of the Hobbit movie will use the same support team (costumes, effects, etc. - Weta, wasn't it?) that was used for LOTR. I thought the costumes, backgrounds, etc. were very good.

One thing that will be interesting is how they portray the elves at Rivendell - those elves on the outskirts of R. always seemed so goofy! Not like the elves in the Sil, that's for sure!

[Peter_20]

Saying McClellan must always play Gandalf because you liked him in the LOTR and got used to him is like saying you have to marry the first girl you #$&%ed because it was good and that's also the only experience you have.

Sir Ian was fine in LOTR but he ain't the only good actor in town.I don't think that's the issue; say rather that most people probably want the same actor for the same character because it feels more consistent. :)

Having actor A for character A in all the movies does feel much better than having actor A, B, C etc. for character A.

[rohirrim TR]

So what do y'all think about Sam Raimi as the possible director candidate?

[sisterandcousinandaunt]

I sincerely hope that they won't make weird arrangements like leaving out The Unexpected Party or crap-ideas like this.

Movies based on books have this tendency to rush everything, so don't expect any slow development like in the book.

*Gandalf SHOULD chat a while with Bilbo at the door-step
*The Dwarves SHOULD make a long visit so as to let the audience get to know them
*The party SHOULD visit Beorn
*The movie SHOULD explain the situation in the Elven-king's halls

PLEASE, don't leave this out.In the book I got to know the dwarves not at all during their long tea. They were mostly singing collectively, while Bilbo fetched things. So I'd rather they skipped that so I could see them in more individuated circumstances. A nice long creep through Mirkwood, for example.

What explanation of the Elven-kings halls would you like to see?

[sisterandcousinandaunt]

that's why I objected when you, a new poster, come here and in what? your second post? call the opinion of a long-time member an "obsessive, opinionated, ill-founded critique of an actor."
I'm just entering to see if there's an official post count after which we can take shots at Hectorourbelovedprez. ;)
*blows kiss to hector and slips out*

[hectorberlioz]

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[Rían]

I'm just entering to see if there's an official post count after which we can take shots at Hectorourbelovedprez. ;)
*blows kiss to hector and slips out*I'd say at least elf-lord ... ;)

(but really - 2 posts?!?!?!?!!?!?)

[sisterandcousinandaunt]

Tom_Bombadil, I ask you, is this really to whiny for you?
Hector, my friend. Could you jot me down a few permitted scenes? Your list of exclusions place a lot of limits on what is, after all, a visual medium.

I agree with Tom Bombadil that it's a different form. If it doesn't go by different rules it'll be very monotonous, like those classes where the teacher reads aloud all period from the assigned reading. :p

[hectorberlioz]

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[sisterandcousinandaunt]

Is This what you want in your movies, IS IT?!! No, of course not. :D I don't object to all your caveats, at all.




Yeah, but that completely misses my whole point: which is that the Hobbit film ought to be AS good visually and production-wise as the LotR films, but should NOT make the same mistakes they did.I'm just not sure that a loving homage to hobbit crockery and washing up will make the best MOVIE. The trolls horde may not be the size of Smaug's but it will certainly be more stuff than Bilbo's ever seen outside of the Mathom House.

[hectorberlioz]

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[sisterandcousinandaunt]

Now what do you mean by that? That there was a huge Troll Army after Bilbo in the book?:eek: I certainly don't remember that, but I can tell you right now: mostly likely there will be an overdoing of the action in the film. Bilbo will probably "almost" die, Thorin will be flung into a tree by a giant scorpion...
Item 19.

I kind of like your picture, though. "Ray Harryhausen's HOBBIT!' ;)

[hectorberlioz]

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[The Gaffer]

I'll overlook your limitations.

Thoughtful.

Now take the twat hat off and say something useful and/or entertaining.

Gandalf has to be in; the question has to be is there enough botox in Christendom for Ian Holm to look the same age as Frodo did in LOTR?

So, it this movie going to happen or what? Anyone got any actual news since that link got posted?

[hectorberlioz]

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[Rían]

... the question has to be is there enough botox in Christendom for Ian Holm to look the same age as Frodo did in LOTR?LOL! :D

IIRC from the movie audio commentaries, they used a lot of duct tape on Ian Holm's face for the face-on shots of the "Bilbo finding the ring" scene to make him look younger. Better than botox! :D

I think they can get away with an actor that is younger but looks similar to Ian Holm, but they're gonna have to stick with Gandy.

Ahhh, they better not mess up the "Black Arrow" scene - our family likes that part. My son and I both leave one of our arrows unmarked and call it the Black Arrow. The other ones we write a letter on and give them a LOTR name (G is for Gandalf, etc. - identifying arrows is a typical thing to do, then you can see if one deviates a particular way every time it's shot and take steps to correct it.)

[The Gaffer]

Thanks.

Children of Hurin looks groovy.

Hey, how about an animated Hobbit version, hand-drawn by an infinite number of Alan Lees?

Cross-post: groovy archery trivia an a'!

[Rían]

yeah, Legolas (the arrow) was a real twit. He finally shattered :eek: Eomer always shoots well.

Alan Lee is awesome! I bought "The Hobbit" version that he illustrated.

[Rían]

I'm just entering to see if there's an official post count after which we can take shots at Hectorourbelovedprez. ;)
*blows kiss to hector and slips out*Or here's another option - one more than whatever you currently have ... ;)

jokejokejokejoke! :D


(I think Gaffer put it the best)

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Gandalf has to be in; the question has to be is there enough botox in Christendom for Ian Holm to look the same age as Frodo did in LOTR?

He shouldn't look the same age. They were the same age, but Frodo had already had the ring for years, so he looked unnaturally young.

[Peter_20]

In the book I got to know the dwarves not at all during their long tea. They were mostly singing collectively, while Bilbo fetched things. So I'd rather they skipped that so I could see them in more individuated circumstances. A nice long creep through Mirkwood, for example.

What explanation of the Elven-kings halls would you like to see?Well, I basically meant that movies based on books have a tendency to make ridiculously fast jumps in the story.
I don't wanna see no movie that goes "Gandalf knocks on Bilbo's door, AND NOW EVERYONE'S IN ELROND'S HOUSE!"

I think it's better to clearly explain events, rather than skipping all kinds of important parts of the story.

[Wooley Baggins]

:) I'd love to see a Hobbit Movie. Does it matter all that much who directs however? Peter Jackson did as far as I am concerned do an outstanding job on the Lord of the Rings, but does this mean there could not be another equally talented Peter Jackson out there?
The important point I feel is that a Hobbit movie does ultimately become reality, irregardless of who directs it in the end.

[Gwaimir Windgem]

*tugs at Wooley's sleeve*

psst...irregardless is a double negative...

[hectorberlioz]

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[Gwaimir Windgem]

You just love contradicting people, don't you? :p

...Which argument?

[hectorberlioz]

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[hectorberlioz]

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[mithrand1r]

Ian Mckellen! You may think you are getting away with distoring Tolkien's art! But you shall KNOW justice! You shall not escape the Beam of Justice that is the wrath of tolkienites, you shall not ruin yet another Tolkien project with your disgraceful interpretations! Ian McKellen, I condemn you to the utter depths of C-grade movies forever! May your influence fade, may your memory be stamped with contempt, may your shoes shine, and may be be rid of you as Gandalf!

IMO -
The more time that passes, the less likely that Ian McKellen will play Gandalf in the Hobbit or any other film. (He is getting older, like everyone else ;))

At some point it will be too late for him to play the role.

I did not think that he (Ian McKellen) did a bad job as Gandalf. At times he played the bumbling fool, but I think this had more to do with direction than skills as an actor.

I still am partial to Gandalf from the animated cartoon, The Hobbit (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077687/). The voice of John Huston (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001379/) seemed just right to me.

[Jon S.]

It doesn't matter who plays who or who directs a Hobbit movie, it'll clean up at the box office and all of us will see it. Then we can spend the next year criticizing every little piece of it as we did with PJ's movies because that's us.

[mithrand1r]

It doesn't matter who plays who or who directs a Hobbit movie, it'll clean up at the box office and all of us will see it. Then we can spend the next year criticizing every little piece of it as we did with PJ's movies because that's us.

Probably true. :)

A mini-series would be an interesting format for the hobbit. (I doubt it will happen, but it would be interesting.)

[cee2lee2]

.....A mini-series would be an interesting format for the hobbit. (I doubt it will happen, but it would be interesting.)


I like the idea of a mini-series. I would schedule my time so I could watch it even though I rarely watch much TV any more. It would be nice to see it in a form that would allow more of the story to be told instead of having it pared down for a single movie.

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Ian Mckellen! You may think you are getting away with distoring Tolkien's art! But you shall KNOW justice! You shall not escape the Beam of Justice that is the wrath of tolkienites, you shall not ruin yet another Tolkien project with your disgraceful interpretations! Ian McKellen, I condemn you to the utter depths of C-grade movies forever! May your influence fade, may your memory be stamped with contempt, may your shoes shine, and may be be rid of you as Gandalf!


Oh, shut up. Ian McKellen is a highly skilled actor. I agree that he wasn't the best as Gandalf, but can we please keep the homophobia in check?

[Tessar]

No kidding.

I thought he was brilliant as Gandalf, and I had no idea he was gay at the time. :) Because, frankly, it doesn't really matter.

[hectorberlioz]

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[bropous]

So. Aside from side-swipes and body checks, can someone please sum up the developments of a Hobbit film and whatever was selected as "a second prequel"?

[bropous]

Okay, looked for myself:

http://www.ifmagazine.com/new.asp?article=4886

The Flatulent One is apparently eyeing another Tolkien book to make unrecognizable...

[Kevin McIntyre]

The Hobbit is a much simpler story than the Lord of the Rings with different pacing (as we all know it was written for young children) and tone; if anything a movie with the same tone of PJ's LOTR would actually have to draw things out more - esp the Battle of the Five Armies (which Bilbo really does not participate in). I would like to see what PJ would do with Mirkwood (as creepiness is what he likes best). As far as casting is concerned if it is a New Line/PJ production then I would want Ian as Gandalf (and if you are squeamish about a gay man playing Gandalf then you don't know actors all that well). Bilbo however I would expect someone besides Ian Holm but I it wouldn't surprise me if he were to jump on board. However if PJ is not involved I would imagine none of the actors from LOTR would care much to participate (caveat being $). In any case the LOTR movies grossed over 2.9 BILLION dollars so of course The Hobbit will be made.

[Acalewia]

What's the latest news?

[hectorberlioz]

The latest news is that PJ WILL be involved, afterall. Unfortunately.

[AceKnight]

i think there's an old movie of the hobbit thats already come out

[Acalewia]

There's an animated movie, i believe from the 70s

[Snowdog]

The latest news is that PJ WILL be involved, afterall. Unfortunately.
Damm!

[Earniel]

PJ will be involved again? Odd, I thought they'd never patch that up. Money disputes often seem final.

[Acalewia]

I thought PJ and New Line were still in that Lawsuit :confused:

[barrelrider110]

The latest news is that PJ WILL be involved, afterall. Unfortunately.

Bummer.:(

[Lefty Scaevola]

Peter Jackson is signed on as producer, but not director. That means it will have the WETA workshop and all the trilogy's production values.
It is going to be in two parts, to be released in 2010 and 2011.

[Olmer]

THE HOBBIT IS BEING MADE!

ACADEMY AWARD-WINNER PETER JACKSON AND NEW LINE CINEMA JOIN WITH MGM TO PRODUCE “THE HOBBIT,” EAGERLY-ANTICIPATED FANTASY ADVENTURE EPIC

NEW LINE AND MGM TO CO-PRODUCE AND SHARE WORLDWIDE DISTRIBUTION RIGHTS

PETER JACKSON AND FRAN WALSH TO EXECUTIVE PRODUCE TWO FILMS BASED ON “THE HOBBIT”

Los Angeles, CA (Tuesday, December 18, 2007) Academy Award-winning filmmaker Peter Jackson; Harry Sloan, Chairman and CEO, Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Studios Inc. (MGM); Bob Shaye and Michael Lynne, Co-Chairmen and Co-CEOs of New Line Cinema have jointly announced today that they have entered into the following series of agreements:

* MGM and New Line will co-finance and co-distribute two films, “The Hobbit” and a sequel to “The Hobbit.” New Line will distribute in North America and MGM will distribute internationally.

* Peter Jackson and Fran Walsh will serve as Executive Producers of two films based on “The Hobbit.” New Line will manage the production of the films, which will be shot simultaneously.

* Peter Jackson and New Line have settled all litigation relating to the “Lord of the Rings” (LOTR) Trilogy.

Said Peter Jackson, “I’m very pleased that we’ve been able to put our differences behind us, so that we may begin a new chapter with our old friends at New Line. ‘The Lord of the Rings’ is a legacy we proudly share with Bob and Michael, and together, we share that legacy with millions of loyal fans all over the world. We are delighted to continue our journey through Middle Earth. I also want to thank Harry Sloan and our new friends at MGM for helping us find the common ground necessary to continue that journey.”

“Peter Jackson has proven himself as the filmmaker who can bring the extraordinary imagination of Tolkien to life and we full heartedly agree with the fans worldwide who know he should be making ‘The Hobbit,’” said Sloan, MGM’s Chairman and CEO. “Now that we are all in agreement on ‘The Hobbit,’ we can focus on assembling the production team that will capture this phenomenal tale on film.”

Bob Shaye, New Line Co-Chairman and Co-CEO comments, “We are very pleased we have been able to resolve our differences, and that Peter and Fran will be actively and creatively involved with ‘The Hobbit’ movies. We know they will bring the same passion, care and talent to these films that they so ably accomplished with ‘The Lord of the Rings’ Trilogy.”

“Peter is a visionary filmmaker, and he broke new ground with ‘The Lord of the Rings,’” notes Michael Lynne, New Line Co-Chairman and Co-CEO. “We’re delighted he’s back for ‘The Hobbit’ films and that the Tolkien saga will continue with his imprint. We greatly appreciate the efforts of Harry Sloan, who has been instrumental in helping us reach our new accord.”

The two “Hobbit” films – “The Hobbit” and its sequel – are scheduled to be shot simultaneously, with pre-production beginning as soon as possible. Principal photography is tentatively set for a 2009 start, with the intention of “The Hobbit” release slated for 2010 and its sequel the following year, in 2011.

The Oscar-winning, critically-acclaimed LOTR Trilogy grossed nearly $3 billion worldwide at the box-office. In 2003, “Return of the King” swept the Academy Awards, winning all of the eleven categories in which it was nominated, including Best Picture – the first ever Best Picture win for a fantasy film. The Trilogy’s production was also unprecedented at the time.

For more information about “The Hobbit” films, please visit www.TheHobbitBlog.com.

[Earniel]

I'm confused, will it be a Hobbit movie in two parts or the Hobbit and a yet undefined sequel?

[Olmer]

As I understand, it will be the stuff which was written in the LOTR's appendixes, to make a smooth transition from the "Hobbits" time to the time of the trilogy.:)
Exiting. Is not it?:)

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Peter Jackson is signed on as producer, but not director. That means it will have the WETA workshop and all the trilogy's production values.



GLEEE!!! JACKSON NOT DIRECTOR!!!!

GLORIA IN EXCELSIS DEO!!!!!!

[Ben]

It's exciting news. We may need a new forum for these movies :p. I'm glad that Jackson is involved, even if he's not director. The Empire Strikes Back worked out pretty well when George Lucas relinquished the director's chair but kept creative control :).

This vaguely defined Hobbit "sequel" does seem a little strange, though.

[Earniel]

Or we can re-name the LoTR-Movies forum into Tolkien Movies forum. :p

[Acalewia]

The "sequel" I've seen at Hastings. I think its called Return to Bag End or something like that.

Glad they finally decided to get started on pre-production:rolleyes:

[Curubethion]

Or we can re-name the LoTR-Movies forum into Tolkien Movies forum. :p

Well, we'd better find a solution and do some thread-merging...

[The Sasquatch of Fangorn]

i think the return to bag-end title would be better if they did a UF movie

[Acalewia]

UF movie?

[The Sasquatch of Fangorn]

Unfinished tales

[Tessar]

So, just FYI, I don't care what the movie is like, I'm probably going to be buying the soundtrack. :p


But really, I'm excited... whether it's actually "The Hobbit" or "Something-Based-Loosely-On-The-Hobbit", I don't think you can ever have too many -well produced- epic movies about fantasy :D. I'm sure I'll enjoy it on some level.

[Acalewia]

Unfinished tales

Oh yeah. I knew that:D

[Mari]

There was a small article on the Hobbit in the newspaper. I thought it was strange, because they usually don't talk about movies that aren't premiering that week. Must be because the Hobbit is great! ;)