Chapter 6: The Journey from Platform Nine and Three Quarters

[Nurvingiel]

Characters:

Harry Potter
Dudley, Vernon, and Petunia Dursley
Draco Malfoy
Hagrid
Hedwig

New:

Ron, Ginny, Fred, George, Percy and Molly Weasley
Hermione Granger
Neville Longbottom
Vincent Crabbe
Gregory Goyle


Synopsis:

Harry’s acceptance marks a positive change in his life, though not without cost. While he is no longer shouted at, bossed around, or forced to sleep in a cupboard, the Dursleys instead pretend he does not exist. Harry passes his time in his room with Hedwig, reading his school books.

Uncle Vernon agrees to drive Harry to King’s Cross station so Harry can take the train to school. Dudley will also have the pig’s tail removed in London, before he goes to his own school, Smeltings.

The Dursleys leave Harry at King’s Cross standing between platforms nine and ten. Harry is completely stranded until he hears people with owls discussing Muggles. Harry approaches the family, who turn out to be the Weasleys (minus Arthur, Bill, and Charlie).

Mrs. Weasley kindly explains to Harry how to get onto the platform, and he and Ron follow Percy, Fred, and George. On the train, Harry and the Weasley boys are introduced. They’re impressed that he defeated Voldemort and want to see his scar. Harry is a bit embarassed at this unusual attention.

Fred, George, and Percy disperse and Ron and Harry have a compartment to themselves. Harry buys an assortment of cakes, pastries and sweets which he shares with his new friend.

Harry’s life is really taking a turn for the better here. He’s safely on the train, has made his first real friend, and is starting to enjoy some of the benefits of magic (namely, stupendous food and Chocolate Frog cards).

Harry and Ron meet Hermione and Neville, who are looking for Neville’s toad. They are also visited by Malfoy, Crabbe, and Goyle. Draco is incredibly rude to Ron, then in his own way, offers friendship to Harry. Harry refuses, and Draco and his cronies leave nastily. Ron and Harry’s friendship is cemented for life.

It is now nighttime, and Ron and Harry change into their school robes. The train has arrived, and all the first years are ushered off the train by Hagrid, who gives them their first taste of Hogwarts.

They are led down a dark, winding path to a large lake. They then pile into small boats, four at a time, which takes them across the lake to an underground harbour. As they sail, they are treated to incredible views of Hogwarts castle, which has many towers and rises majestically on a cliff. Hagrid finds Neville’s toad, then they all climb up a passageway to Hogwarts front door. Hagrid knocks three times on the door; they have arrived at Hogwarts.


Discussion Points: Serious Character Flaws?

Disclaimer: I know that Rowling has written us creative and wonderful fantasy books. I am perfectly aware of their fantasy status, but she has also set them in “Muggle” England, and thus I feel these are perfectly valid character flaws:

1. What the hell is wrong with the Dursleys!? They abandon an eleven-year-old boy at a busy London train station with no money, a huge trunk he can barely move, and an owl. Harry has also expressed to his uncle that he knows absolutely nothing about the location of his school, only that he must take a train at eleven. The Dursleys are convinced this train doesn’t exist, and yet, they leave him there. What is wrong with these people?

I realise they are nasty people who emotionally and verbally abuse Harry on a daily basis, but by abandoning him at the train station, do you think Rowling has made the Dursleys’ characters even more abominable and morally bankrupt than she intended?

2. Dumbledore seems to have overlooked the fact that Muggles, until receiving the acceptance letter, have no knowledge whatsoever of Hogwarts or the Wizarding world. Harry’s difficulties at the platform would have been a total disaster had he not overheard the Weasleys. Shouldn’t the Headmaster of a magical school that accepts Muggle-born wizards plan for this scenario?

The lack of planning suggests a deep bias against Muggles, or that wizards are totally ignorant of the Muggle world. (Though Dumbledore, who also has a scar in the shape of a London Underground map on his knee, does not strike me as ignorant of anything.)

3. Why did Hermione’s parents (and other Muggle parents who care for their children’s safety) ship her to a heretofore unknown school, solely based on a letter delivered by an owl?

(I don’t want this section to come across as too negative. I really, really love this book, and that’s why I think about it a lot. Perhaps a bit too much. ;) )

Discussion Points: Character Growth

1. Harry chooses to be friends with Ron, and not with Draco. This choice effects the outcome of the entire book. Discuss the effects of their friendship, as well as possible scenarios that might have ensued had Harry decided to be friends with Draco.

2. Harry places a lot of trust in Mrs. Weasley. He takes her at her word when she tells him to run headlong into a solid brick column. Discuss Harry’s ability to place his trust in the right people, at the right time.

General Points for Discussion:

1. On Dumbledore’s Chocolate Frog card, it mentions his defeat of Grindelwald in 1945. Do you think this date is meant to suggest that there was magical involvement in World War II, or is it simply to indicate how freaking old Dumbledore is? :D

2. This chapter, like the entire book, is full of funny scenes and lines. My favourites:

George to Ginny:
“We’ll send you a Hogwarts toilet seat.”

And Ron, about Neville looking for his toad:
“Don’t know why he’s so bothered. If I’d brought a toad I’d lose it as quick as I could. Mind you, I brought Scabbers, so I can’t talk.”

What are your favourite scenes or lines?

3. Feel free to add any other discussion points to this chapter. :)

[jammi567]

That's a very good way of doing thing, which i haven't seen done before. So:

1) Of course he has. This is a good way of setting them up for two things a) making us feel later on that they've got their own back when more and more of the wizarding world enters their own, and they can't do anything about it. And b) making us surprised when Harry saves their lifes for whatever reason in book seven (possibility).

2) Of course he isn't. That would be going totally against his nature. If wizards/witches are born in muggle familes, then he probally does what he did in 1938, and to Harry-send a member of the school to the house to explain the situation, and understand what it means to be entering their world.

3) Because they would've had everything explained to them (see above point).


1) Had Harry gone with Draco, and sat and talked with him, by the time they got to Hogwarts, Harry still wouldn't want to be in Slytherin, because he would've heard and seen the values they followed, and would've hated them, and so still would've been in Griffindor. However, the relationship with Ron would've been the same, because Harry would remember Rons mum, and the help she gave. He would t5alk to him about that, and the convo would've gone roughly the same as on the train.

2) *shrugs shoulders* i'll post later, when i've had time to think about it.


1) It might be, but most likely not. He was probally a small gang leader, who did a it of bad stuff, and happened to drop by in Hogmead, where dd, hearing about this, sorted them out. For more info, click here (http://www.redhen-publications.com/1945.html).

2) When the twins mess around with their names, so that Mrs Wealsey gets confused.

Some questions i have:

1) Why, oh why, doesn't Mrs Weasley know what the platform number is? She's been there since Bill started, and yet, she doesn't know.

2) Why does Scabbers AKA Peter Pettigrew, defend Ron, when there's nothing in it for him?

3) Do you find Hermione rude? Because she forces herself into the compartment, and then just goes on and on about stuff the boys just don't care about.

[Nurvingiel]

1) Of course he has. This is a good way of setting them up for two things a) making us feel later on that they've got their own back when more and more of the wizarding world enters their own, and they can't do anything about it. And b) making us surprised when Harry saves their lifes for whatever reason in book seven (possibility).Of course he has what?

2) Of course he isn't. That would be going totally against his nature. If wizards/witches are born in muggle familes, then he probally does what he did in 1938, and to Harry-send a member of the school to the house to explain the situation, and understand what it means to be entering their world.

3) Because they would've had everything explained to them (see above point).You're right, I'm sure Rowling just eliminated some boring exposition by having us assume that Dumbledore or McGonagall met with Muggle parents to explain everything.

That still doesn't explain why Harry knew squat. Nobody tried to meet with him or his guardians, they only sent piles and piles of the acceptance letter.

1) Had Harry gone with Draco, and sat and talked with him, by the time they got to Hogwarts, Harry still wouldn't want to be in Slytherin, because he would've heard and seen the values they followed, and would've hated them, and so still would've been in Griffindor. However, the relationship with Ron would've been the same, because Harry would remember Rons mum, and the help she gave. He would t5alk to him about that, and the convo would've gone roughly the same as on the train.Very insightful. I think, though, if Harry had agreed to be Draco's friend, he logically would have sat in his compartment (where Ron would rather eat Neville's toad than sit). So then, they would have missed a good conversation, though not the really important bits that brought them closer together.

Maybe Harry's decision was made up long before he was born. Dumbledore had Harry left with the Dursley's so he wouldn't grow up to be a bighead because of his fame. Thus Harry had good values (that he clearly did not get from the Dursleys), and he identified with wrong.

Meanwhile, young Draco has a nasty, evil father that he desperately wants to please. He is spoiled completely rotten so that he doesn't even know how to make friends properly. If he had been smart about making friends with Harry, he would have been nice to Ron and joined them in their compartment.

Imagine, Harry, Ron, Draco, Crabbe, and Goyle as friends!! :D That, though, would be an entirely different book, called Harry Potter and the Magical Menagerie.

2) *shrugs shoulders* i'll post later, when i've had time to think about it.No worries. Don't feel obliged to answer all the questions either. You're not going to fail a quiz. ;)


1) It might be, but most likely not. He was probally a small gang leader, who did a it of bad stuff, and happened to drop by in Hogmead, where dd, hearing about this, sorted them out. For more info, click here (http://www.redhen-publications.com/1945.html).[/quote]About the link: Wow. This guy should have written the books. (Blaspheme!)

I agree with him, there must not be anything political about Grindelwald. So, Dumbledore is an old dude then. :D

2) When the twins mess around with their names, so that Mrs Wealsey gets confused.Yes, I love that so much. (Honestly, you call us our mother. Just kidding, I am George.) :D

Some questions i have:

1) Why, oh why, doesn't Mrs Weasley know what the platform number is? She's been there since Bill started, and yet, she doesn't know.Yes, this is a bit silly. It must have always been her, and not Arthur, who'd drop the kids off, because she's a stay-at-home mom, and he'd be at work at this time (if he wasn't, I'm sure he would have joined them).

I think this is because Mrs. Weasley comes across as clueless sometimes, even though she's not really clueless at all.

2) Why does Scabbers AKA Peter Pettigrew, defend Ron, when there's nothing in it for him?Because Malfoy is such a git, even Pettigrew thinks he's a git. ;)

It is in his interests for him to stay in Ron's good books. His health is failing, and he needs Ron's care. Maybe he decided it was time to show a little zest, after overhearing Ron compare him to a toad he wouldn't mind losing. :D

3) Do you find Hermione rude? Because she forces herself into the compartment, and then just goes on and on about stuff the boys just don't care about.Yes, she's very rude. She's generally rude and bossy at the start of the book. Only after the mountain troll incident does she calm down a little bit. I think this is her way of dealing with an unfamiliar situation - read up on it in advance, know everything, then show up and boss everyone around. :D (She tones this down a lot later too though. I love Hermione.)

[jammi567]

Of course he has what?
God, stupid keyboard. I meant she has, JK.

That still doesn't explain why Harry knew squat. Nobody tried to meet with him or his guardians, they only sent piles and piles of the acceptance letter.
Hagrid was sent. And he did send Harry to the right place, and probally hoped that a fellow student, who knew how to get onto the platform, would show Harry how to do it, and thus let him start making his first friends.

Maybe Harry's decision was made up long before he was born. Dumbledore had Harry left with the Dursley's so he wouldn't grow up to be a bighead because of his fame. Thus Harry had good values (that he clearly did not get from the Dursleys), and he identified with wrong.
That's very true.

About the link: Wow. This guy should have written the books. (Blaspheme!)

I agree with him, there must not be anything political about Grindelwald. So, Dumbledore is an old dude then. :D
Actually, that's a women who wrote those essays.

It is in his interests for him to stay in Ron's good books. His health is failing, and he needs Ron's care.
Very true. He needs to keep the trust going.

Yes, she's very rude. She's generally rude and bossy at the start of the book. Only after the mountain troll incident does she calm down a little bit. I think this is her way of dealing with an unfamiliar situation - read up on it in advance, know everything, then show up and boss everyone around.
In fact, at the beginning, she's as bad as Draco is. :eek:

[Nurvingiel]

Aha, you meant Rowling. Now I understand what you were saying.
1) Of course he has. This is a good way of setting them up for two things a) making us feel later on that they've got their own back when more and more of the wizarding world enters their own, and they can't do anything about it. And b) making us surprised when Harry saves their lifes for whatever reason in book seven (possibility).I guess the Dursleys really are meant to be portrayed as disgusting human beings. They only people who associate with them socially are Vernon's sister (who's as nasty as he is), Vernon's boss, and Dudley's group of bullies. Petunia does not seem to have any friends, but she does like spying on the neighbours. We have a limited but probably fairly representative view of the Dursleys' social life.

And the view is, nobody likes them, because they are disgusting human beings. I have no problem with their characters being presented this way, and I absolutely love reading about the Dursleys. They are delightful as characters as they are horrible as people.

Hagrid was sent. And he did send Harry to the right place, and probally hoped that a fellow student, who knew how to get onto the platform, would show Harry how to do it, and thus let him start making his first friends.Maybe Hagrid just screwed up then, because you can't just assume that someone will join up with another family at the platform. It's pretty likely that Harry would have noticed a wizarding family, but too risky to assume this given the total disaster that would ensue had he not met anyone.


Actually, that's a women who wrote those essays.Oops. Couldn't quite see around the chicken beak. :D She is very brilliant. I've been reading a number of her articles.

In fact, at the beginning, she's as bad as Draco is. :eek:Completely true! She was bullying poor Neville about his toad too.

[jammi567]

Maybe Hagrid just screwed up then, because you can't just assume that someone will join up with another family at the platform. It's pretty likely that Harry would have noticed a wizarding family, but too risky to assume this given the total disaster that would ensue had he not met anyone.
Why do you think there was a chance that he wouldn't have met a wizarding family around Kings Cross, either by chance, or by them coming up to him? Hagrid knew hat any wizarding family that met him would want to help him out.

[durinsbane2244]

1. What the hell is wrong with the Dursleys!? They abandon an eleven-year-old boy at a busy London train station with no money, a huge trunk he can barely move, and an owl. Harry has also expressed to his uncle that he knows absolutely nothing about the location of his school, only that he must take a train at eleven. The Dursleys are convinced this train doesn’t exist, and yet, they leave him there. What is wrong with these people?

I realise they are nasty people who emotionally and verbally abuse Harry on a daily basis, but by abandoning him at the train station, do you think Rowling has made the Dursleys’ characters even more abominable and morally bankrupt than she intended?

well, they were on the way to take Dudly to the hospital, so i'm sure they would've come back for harry, and very well might've gone to check on him. they might've expected a telephone call from the station to come get him as well.

2. Dumbledore seems to have overlooked the fact that Muggles, until receiving the acceptance letter, have no knowledge whatsoever of Hogwarts or the Wizarding world. Harry’s difficulties at the platform would have been a total disaster had he not overheard the Weasleys. Shouldn’t the Headmaster of a magical school that accepts Muggle-born wizards plan for this scenario?

The lack of planning suggests a deep bias against Muggles, or that wizards are totally ignorant of the Muggle world. (Though Dumbledore, who also has a scar in the shape of a London Underground map on his knee, does not strike me as ignorant of anything.)

as was previously stated, they might have counted on him meeting a family, but also: what if dumbledore planned the have him meet with the weasleys? what if he arranged to have them there at the right place at the right time.

Maybe Harry's decision was made up long before he was born. Dumbledore had Harry left with the Dursley's so he wouldn't grow up to be a bighead because of his fame. Thus Harry had good values (that he clearly did not get from the Dursleys), and he identified with wrong.

yet another connection i see between DD and merlin, who sent arthur to live with Sir Ector as a baby so he was raised with values, and arthur was bullied by Sir Kai, who then became arthur's friend and seneschal...mayhaps Dudley will have a change of heart...

[Nurvingiel]

well, they were on the way to take Dudly to the hospital, so i'm sure they would've come back for harry, and very well might've gone to check on him. they might've expected a telephone call from the station to come get him as well.Oh yeah, I never thought of that.

as was previously stated, they might have counted on him meeting a family, but also: what if dumbledore planned the have him meet with the weasleys? what if he arranged to have them there at the right place at the right time.That is very interesting. Then Molly would have known who Harry was, and she was just faking not knowing. Interesting!

yet another connection i see between DD and merlin, who sent arthur to live with Sir Ector as a baby so he was raised with values, and arthur was bullied by Sir Kai, who then became arthur's friend and seneschal...mayhaps Dudley will have a change of heart...Yeah, and Merlin also sent Arthur to Sir Ector so Uther's enemies wouldn't find him.

I hope Dudley does have a change of heart. I feel bad for Dudley, it wasn't his fault that his parents totally ruined him. He is responsible for his choices, but his life was made much harder by being spoiled.

[jammi567]

One thing that i thought was strange is that it says that all three of the dursleys laughed at Harry, and yet, i can ever imagine Patunia ever smiling. :confused: :o

[durinsbane2244]

Yeah, and Merlin also sent Arthur to Sir Ector so Uther's enemies wouldn't find him.

I hope Dudley does have a change of heart. I feel bad for Dudley, it wasn't his fault that his parents totally ruined him. He is responsible for his choices, but his life was made much harder by being spoiled.

indeed, Uther's enemies=Death Eaters, very good! and yes, as with Sir Kai, it would be nice for Duddykins to turn around and care about his foster brother...maybe be his hand in the world of the muggles.

[durinsbane2244]

3. Why did Hermione’s parents (and other Muggle parents who care for their children’s safety) ship her to a heretofore unknown school, solely based on a letter delivered by an owl?

i'm sure that there was more involved here, as can be seen by future events. for one thing, her parents show up in Diagon Alley in a later book, so they had to have recieved more instructions. maybe even a visit from a professor, like when DD went to see Tom Riddle. i'm sure they sent more than a single letter.

[Serenoli]

I reckon Hagrid just forgot that harry had no idea how to get on the train. I mean, how many times in Diagon Alley does he say, "Blimey, 'Arry, I forgot yeh didn' kno'!"

Its like McGonagall says... Hagrid is trustworthy, but careless. No doubt Dumbledore sent him as a further show of trust, but Hagrid did mess that bit up. Very likely, all the trains in Kings Cross used by wizards had a similar system, and it never occured to hagrid that harry might get on a train without going through the wall first!

The whole bit about Mrs. Weasley arranging before-hand with Dumbledore seems silly. I mean, why would she pretend not to know him? No motive, really makes no sense.

As for Hermione, well when I first met her, she was rather annoying. I did want to see her do some magic though, she said she had tried before and it had worked. Although I dont see how, given the Restriction of Underage Magic, and she must've come across the law in one of her books. Maybe she was just saying that to show off?

Oh, and here's a discussion point. Which one of the sweets they had did you want to try most? Me, I'd like a Chocolate Frog... and then, perhaps a Pumpkin Pasty.

Favourite lines... well, I liked Ginny. I mean, I felt a bit of kinship with her, really, I knew just how she felt, wanting to get on the train as well, because when I was small, and both my brothers went to school, I used to bug my mom to take me as well, everyday. She even bought me a cow-shaped school-bag to carry around so I could pretend I was going with them, and she'd give me homework to do beside them. :rolleyes:

[durinsbane2244]

The whole bit about Mrs. Weasley arranging before-hand with Dumbledore seems silly. I mean, why would she pretend not to know him? No motive, really makes no sense.

well it was just a theory...:rolleyes:
really, all of this could be called "reading too much into it" and silly. it's just for fun.

:D

[jammi567]

Oh, and here's a discussion point. Which one of the sweets they had did you want to try most? Me, I'd like a Chocolate Frog... and then, perhaps a Pumpkin Pasty.

Favourite lines... well, I liked Ginny. I mean, I felt a bit of kinship with her, really, I knew just how she felt, wanting to get on the train as well, because when I was small, and both my brothers went to school, I used to bug my mom to take me as well, everyday. She even bought me a cow-shaped school-bag to carry around so I could pretend I was going with them, and she'd give me homework to do beside them. :rolleyes:
I think berty botts personally.

*tries to stop giggles*

[Nurvingiel]

I reckon Hagrid just forgot that harry had no idea how to get on the train. I mean, how many times in Diagon Alley does he say, "Blimey, 'Arry, I forgot yeh didn' kno'!"Haha, yeah, you're right. That is much more likely. Wizards sure can be clueless about Muggles.

As for Hermione, well when I first met her, she was rather annoying. I did want to see her do some magic though, she said she had tried before and it had worked. Although I dont see how, given the Restriction of Underage Magic, and she must've come across the law in one of her books. Maybe she was just saying that to show off?I bet she was showing off.

Oh, and here's a discussion point. Which one of the sweets they had did you want to try most? Me, I'd like a Chocolate Frog... and then, perhaps a Pumpkin Pasty.Ooh, all of them! Especially Chocolate Frogs and Every Flavour Beans. And Pumpkin Pasties, I could eat one of those right now! :D

Favourite lines... well, I liked Ginny. I mean, I felt a bit of kinship with her, really, I knew just how she felt, wanting to get on the train as well, because when I was small, and both my brothers went to school, I used to bug my mom to take me as well, everyday. She even bought me a cow-shaped school-bag to carry around so I could pretend I was going with them, and she'd give me homework to do beside them. :rolleyes:Aww! <3 :)

I really like Ginny too, and I'm glad we got this first glimpse of 10-year-old Ginny.

[jammi567]

I bet she was showing off.
she might not be though. Remember that she's the oldest of the trio, born in september, and would thus have time to read her school books, and those extra books.

[durinsbane2244]

the point was, she's not legally allowed to do anything.

:rolleyes:

[tolkienfan]

I always thought that she did them on the train. I think you can do magic on the train. Ron tries to turn Scabbers yellow after all. So after reading about magic for a while she was anxious to try some spells so at the first chance she did. And she said they worked, but that part might have been showing off. Does anyone else do magic on the train? (besides teachers)

[jammi567]

i think you can on the train. After all, it's not like muggles are going to see anything. :).

[Serenoli]

Yeah, magic is definitely allowed on the trains. For example, GoF AND Ootp, last chapter, where Draco and Co. knocked out by variety of hexes from Harry and friends.

[jammi567]

And that hex ginny did in HPB.

[durinsbane2244]

ooooooooh, on the train...yeah. definately. sorry, miscommunication...crisis averted...:D

[jammi567]

That's good.

[durinsbane2244]

yeah. yeah it is. so...anyone wonder about nine and three quarters? just a random number, or meaning?

[Nurvingiel]

I think Hermione was showing off saying that she had done magic at home. She said she had practiced loads of spells when Ron tried to turn Scabbers yellow. Obviously she was full of dragon dung. ;)

i'm sure that there was more involved here, as can be seen by future events. for one thing, her parents show up in Diagon Alley in a later book, so they had to have recieved more instructions. maybe even a visit from a professor, like when DD went to see Tom Riddle. i'm sure they sent more than a single letter.Good point, you're absolutely right.

I'm imagining Dumbledore showing up to a meeting with Mrs and Mr Dursley wearing a pin-striped suit, and them not knowing what to do. :D

(I love the meeting later when he basically tells them to get bent. Haaaaa. But I'm sure initially, he would have been polite.)

[jammi567]

yeah. yeah it is. so...anyone wonder about nine and three quarters? just a random number, or meaning?
9 is 3/4 of 12, which is a much used number in the book. *shrugs shoulders* no idea otherwise.

[durinsbane2244]

yeah...well...maybe. i'll give you a maybe. that's all i can do, though...;)

[jammi567]

Maybe it's to make it more magical. Of course, it is between two platforms.... :rolleyes:

[Nurvingiel]

And maybe the barrier is closer to platform 10 than nine, thus 3/4 instead of 1/2.

My old roommate and I had a room that was 3 stairs higher than the second floor, so we called our place floor 2 and 3/16. :D

edit:

9 is 3/4 of 12, which is a much used number in the book. *shrugs shoulders* no idea otherwise.That is very clever! :cool:

[jammi567]

Elementry my dear Watson, just basic maths.

[Butterbeer]

Waton?

we talking some kind of chinese soup?

[jammi567]

edited.

[Butterbeer]

edited ?

why?

what did ya write??? :eek:

[jammi567]

i added a 's' in watson.

[Butterbeer]

ah!

i always saw the 3/4 thing as a metaphor between the strictly scientific based rigidity of the world of the muggles and the rather more free-form chaotic rules of magic ...

best, BB

[jammi567]

Interesting, interesting.

[durinsbane2244]

also, it could just be that it was silly and good for a children's book. not EVERYTHING is meaningful and symbollic...

[tolkienfan]

I agree about the 9-3/4, I don't think the numbers are really important. It just sounds much more fun and mysterious than 9-1/2. :cool: And, I can't believe I forgot about all the magic on the train rides home.

[durinsbane2244]

SOMEONE AGREES WITH ME! wait, lemme bask in this moment...*basks*

[jammi567]

Add the numbers of Platform 9 3/4 together ... 9+3+4 = 16, and 1+6=7. And seven 'is a magic number' i the hp world. :) :rolleyes:

[Serenoli]

I still think it was only 9-3/4 to make it fun and quirky and wizardy, rather than deeply symbolic math stuff... given how bad JK claims to be at Math, you know. Of course the seven thing is a bit suggestive... :rolleyes:

[jammi567]

exactly. but do you want to move onto another question?

[Nurvingiel]

If Draco, Crabbe, and Goyle had been pleasant to Harry and Ron and asked to share their compartment, do you think the five of them might have become friends? (Though, it was destiny that they did not since Draco is a git.)

Do you guys think it's Draco's fault he's a git? IMO, he can't help it if he's spoiled rotton and his father is a morally bankrupt dark wizard. However, I do think he has to take responsibility for his actions. What do you guys think?


I don't want my thread to die just yet.

[Serenoli]

I dont think so. I mean, eventually Draco would say something about Mudbloods, or be nasty about Hagrid... and I really can't see a Malfoy and a Weasley hobnobbing, look at how their fathers quarrel! They'd be at each other before long, no matter how pleasant Draco and Co. were initially. :rolleyes:

[jammi567]

Do you guys think it's Draco's fault he's a git? IMO, he can't help it if he's spoiled rotton and his father is a morally bankrupt dark wizard. However, I do think he has to take responsibility for his actions. What do you guys think?

I don't want my thread to die just yet.
Ummmmm "morally bankrupt"?

And don't worry about that. The longest thread of this type is chapter 3, where me and durinsbane talked about letters, postmen, ron, hermione, dumbledore.......etc.

[Nurvingiel]

I won't worry about thread death then. :D

I dont think so. I mean, eventually Draco would say something about Mudbloods, or be nasty about Hagrid... and I really can't see a Malfoy and a Weasley hobnobbing, look at how their fathers quarrel! They'd be at each other before long, no matter how pleasant Draco and Co. were eventually. :rolleyes:Yeah, I know, Draco has a huge amount of git-ness to overcome.

But... don't we find out later that Lucius wanted Draco to be friends with Harry so they would look less Dark Wizard-y? What if Draco thought, "Hm... how does one go about making friends with someone who doesn't hate Mudbloods, determine self-worth by pocket money, or care how old one's furniture is?"

And then proceed to bite his tongue about disparaging comments towards Ron.

Though Ron wouldn't have bit his tongue, and then it would all go downhill anyway.

Yeah, the possibility of that friendship was killed before either kid was even born.

[Serenoli]

2. Harry places a lot of trust in Mrs. Weasley. He takes her at her word when she tells him to run headlong into a solid brick column. Discuss Harry’s ability to place his trust in the right people, at the right time.

Well, how about trusting Hagrid when he found out he was a wizard, instead of telling him he was mental? :p :rolleyes:

[Nurvingiel]

Well, how about trusting Hagrid when he found out he was a wizard, instead of telling him he was mental? :p :rolleyes:Haa. See, trusts the right people. :D

Hagrid did put a tail on Dudley, so Harry could see that magic was real. Plus all those weird things that happened when he was a kid, like growing his hair back, finding himself on the school roof, and letting the (magically winking) boa constrictor out of its cage, all started to make a bit more sense at this point.

[jammi567]

Nurvingiel, what do you mean "morally bankrupt" in post 43?

[Nurvingiel]

I mean, they have defective moral conduct. They lack morals.
edit: they lack good morals, eg. ones that I agree with. ( :D )

They treat other human beings, namely Harry, horribly, that a decent person would never do. Behavious of morally bankrupt people include, but are not limited to, verbal and emotional abuse, and forcing a child to sleep in a broom closet.

[Serenoli]

What a complete definition, Nurv! :rolleyes:

BTW, Jammi, please put the link to this thread in the first page of the Main HP discussion thread. I noticed its missing. :)

[jammi567]

Thanks for reminding me. it's done now.