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The Wizard from Milan
03-26-2006, 10:19 PM
Do we know from canon who created the ents?
Are they children of Iluvatar? or are they creations of Yavanna? or some other Vala?


EDIT: I had mixed up Yavanna with Varda

Farimir Captain of Gondor
03-26-2006, 10:36 PM
IIRC, it was the the elves who first woke the trees up and began teaching them to speak.

Great, now I'm going to have to go and find that quote in TTT and post it. :rolleyes: :p

I'm sure some of the more knowledgeable ME history people could answer this better than I.

Arien the Maia
03-26-2006, 11:05 PM
WAs it not Yavanna who thought up the concept of the Ents? She desired beings to look after her beloved trees. In the end though, it is Iluvatar who gives life and being to any idea that a Vala might have...i.e. Aule devised the Dwarves.

The Wizard from Milan
03-28-2006, 12:30 AM
IIRC, it was the the elves who first woke the trees up and began teaching them to speak.
I remember this quote now. :)
Wasn't it about the huorn? It definitely was anbiguos IIRC

The Wizard from Milan
03-28-2006, 12:31 AM
WAs it not Yavanna who thought up the concept of the Ents? She desired beings to look after her beloved trees.
I seem to remeber that too, now.

In the end though, it is Iluvatar who gives life and being to any idea that a Vala might have...i.e. Aule devised the Dwarves.
I agree

Jon S.
04-02-2006, 07:51 PM
... said Yavanna, ... "Would that the trees might speak on behalf of all things that hve roots, and punish those that wrong them!"

"This is a strange thought," said Manwe.

"Yet it was in the Song," said Yavanna, "For while though wert in the heavens and with Ulmo built the clouds and poured out the rain, I lifted up the branches of great trees to receive them, and some sang to Illuvatar amid the wind and the rain."

Then Manwe sat silent, and the thought of Yavanna that she had put into his heart grew and unfolded; and it was beheld by Illuvatar. Then it seemed to Manwe that the Song rose once more about him, and he heeded now many things therein that though he had heard them he had not heeded before. ...

...

"Nay," [Manwe] said, "only the trees of Aule will be tall enough. In the mountains the Eagles shall house, and hear the voices of those who call upon us. But in the forests shall walk the Shepherds of the Trees."

Then Manwe and Yavanna parted for that time, and Yavanna returned to Aule; and he was in his smithy, pouring molten metal into a mould. "Eru is bountiful," she said. "Now let thy children [the Dwarves] beware. For there shall walk a power in the forests whose wrath they will arouse at their peril."

"Nonetheless they will have need of wood," said Aule, and he went on with his smith-work.

S Ch. 2 (Of Aule and Yavanna)

Sam
04-23-2006, 07:09 PM
In reading a book by David Day called Tolkien the Illustrated Encyclopaedia, I found this quote,"They came from the thoughts of Yavanna, and were her shepherds of trees."

Lizra
04-23-2006, 10:51 PM
Yes....yes....but who came first...ents or Bombadill? ;) :p

Sam
04-24-2006, 01:05 AM
Tom Bombadil, of course
:D

inked
04-26-2006, 09:54 AM
Nah, it was the Ents. :)

KingTheoden
04-27-2006, 02:31 PM
In reading a book by David Day called Tolkien the Illustrated Encyclopaedia, I found this quote,"They came from the thoughts of Yavanna, and were her shepherds of trees."


yeah...i agree your post.

ents are creatures of Yavanna.

Tessar
04-27-2006, 02:41 PM
Don't be silly.

They're clearly the results of early tests with Miracle-Grow :p.

Spock
04-27-2006, 03:57 PM
Don't be silly.

They're clearly the results of early tests with Miracle-Grow :p.

I tend to agree with that. :p

According to my sources:

They are inhabited by spirits summoned by the thought of Yavanna to be the guardians of the olvar until the Dominion of Men.

They awoke at the same time as the Elves and the Eldar gave them the desire to speak and taught them Quenya and Sindarin.

Sam
04-27-2006, 09:42 PM
Nah, it was the Ents. :)
no way, bombadil was there before the creation of arda

gwilwileth
05-31-2006, 09:56 PM
who came first...ents or Bombadill? ;) :p
I would like to say ents , but its Bombadill :p

gwilwileth
05-31-2006, 10:00 PM
In reading a book by David Day called Tolkien the Illustrated Encyclopaedia, I found this quote,"They came from the thoughts of Yavanna, and were her shepherds of trees."

Hey I have that book!