View Full Version : Book 7: Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows
King of The Istari
12-31-2005, 04:58 PM
I know Most people have been speculating what will take place in Book 7 at the end of the Half Blood Prince thread, But I thought it deserved its own section (aswell as it being such a drag trying to find the book seven stuff at the end of the 22 page thread that is the Half blood prince:
This thread is about any speculation anyone may have about what will happen in book seven and theories about characters and events heres my bit:
(this is taken from the end of the Halfblood Prince thread)
I think needs some contact to Dumbledore to help him learn what he needs to know what he has to do to get the horcruxes and destroy them, I believe Dumbledore won't help harry with Voldemort or the horcruxes but teach him some of the things he needs to know to beat the enchantments set upon the resting places of the horcruxes and how to destroy them
I think he needs these vital peices of infomation and I can't see any other way he could get them with out some contact ADD who I believe is the only character who could teach harry these things with any credibility
Regarding snape I believe we are all expecting him to be good and turn Voldy and this i what s most likely to happen but I wouldn't mind him just being darn right evil.
I also want him to be evil because I don't like the idea of him killing a defencless dumbledore and then later on saying Dumbledore told me or I killed him but I'm still good.
I think Godrics Hollow will play an intresting part in Book 7 for that will be the first time Harry has seen his old house or visited his parent's graves I think something there may help him on his quest to kill voldemort.
and Finally I WANT A HAPPY ENDING I don't think I could stand Harry being killed off at the end of Book seven, people have been with this character for seven long books and many people includng myself would be able to enjoy rereading the books and watching the films knowing Harry is going to do The Matrix thing and sacrefice himself for the rest of the wizarding world even if it does bring around Voldemort's downfall.
PS. has anyone noticed that the place that the Potters lived "godrics Hollow" is named after gryfndor this could be important I always thought Harry could be related to gryfendor
azalea
12-31-2005, 06:12 PM
Good last point -- that makes me think that perhaps "something of Gryffindor's" might be found there, I don't know. Or maybe that Harry is the heir of Gryffindor.
So then the something of Ravenclaw's will be what he needs to find at Hogwarts.
BTW, when a name for the next book is released, the title of this thread could be changed to "predictions for..." and then a new thread for when it is actually released. Ah, there's the admin in me coming out!
MangoPi
01-02-2006, 05:34 PM
I think that having Dumbledore contact Harry through any means would be a cheap cop out. A big part of his dying was that he could no longer help Harry, and thus our intrepid teenaged hero must go it alone (sort of, you know Ron and Hermione won't be left on the side lines.)
In book Seven I really expect Harry to come into his own as an adult sort of.
King of The Istari
01-02-2006, 06:11 PM
yeah but I still can't think of anyway other than dumbledore for him to learn the magic that he will most oviouisly need, Harry didn't know how to do anything that Dumbledore did in the Cave and he will have to learn at least some of those things to be able to get the other horcruxes, I think its a cop out if Harry needs none of the things dumbledore did in the cave to get the other horcruxes and just happens to know how to break each defence and enchantment let alone how to beat Voldy Moldy himself.
I think haveing no dumbledore is a good thing aswell but I also think Harry needs some contact to an powerful wizard that can advise him and teach him the things he needs to know to finish his quest.
MangoPi
01-02-2006, 08:48 PM
lol Voldy Moldy? Moldy Voldy? :D
You are right, but think back to the very first time that Ron Hermoine and Harry tried to take on the back guy...the traps were set so that each one was geared to talent that each one of them possessed - The Devil's Snare, the Broomstick, the chess game...
King of The Istari
01-03-2006, 11:12 AM
yeah but they wern't enchantments left by voldemort were they, I'd think that the other horcuxes would have to be as well guarded as the one in the cave which would mean harry would have to learn new skills to be able to get them aswell Harry won't always have ron and hermione to bail him out he has to be able to get by and do these things onm his own.
azalea
01-04-2006, 03:28 PM
I don't think D'dore will be able to actively help, but I have a feeling that maybe his portrait will tell the story of how he destroyed the one that left his hand blackened. That and the experience in the cave, along with help from Hermione (and Ron ;) ) should give him enough info that he will muddle through and come out victorious.
The REAL challenge for him will be how to bring down Moldy. "Love" is pretty vague, but I have no doubt that JKR has set it up nicely so that with only one or two new pieces of info gained in 7, he'll pull it off.
[Did the recent quotes from JKR regarding the end of the series sound to anyone else as if she is toying with extending it? I think I read it in the newspaper recently. I don't think she will, but her remarks were sounding (as usual) ambiguous and as if she didn't want to say it, but that she felt like it would be hard to wrap it up in one more book.]
King of The Istari
01-04-2006, 03:55 PM
as much as I'd like her to extend the series, I doubt it, I heard somewhere she's already written the last chapter of book 7 (she supposedly writes them out of sync) seeing that the last chapter would be the hardest to write shes most likely tackled that first. but then again now JK has to write up to that last chapter, if that takes too long it very well be split into two books.
Spock
01-10-2006, 02:13 PM
It seems to me that "D" could speak to Harry through his portrait, much like the one which constantly announces who's about to arrive in the headmasters office. As for HP dying...I don't think so but perhaps an open ended ending.
King of The Istari
01-10-2006, 04:27 PM
perhaps an open ended ending.
as long as its not like the Matrix revolutions all over again
MangoPi
01-12-2006, 06:54 PM
JKR is in love with foreshadowing, and ambiguity, so it's no surprise that even as we come to the last book, there are still so many questions left to be answered.
But...I take back what I said earlier, because I thought of something: Lily and James Potter have come back to talk/guide Harry through his (mis)adventures, and so did Cedric, so it isn't out of the question that those who perished fighting Voldy won't come back to aid him when he needs them. (Possibly even Sirius???)
Also, does anyone else think that RAB is Regulus? Because I'm so convinced....
My predictions for book7:
Ron and Hermione will FINALLY smooch! :evil:
One of the Weasleys will die! :(
Harry will run off to Tibet and learn ninjistu! :confused:
Snape was actually good! :eek:
King of The Istari
01-13-2006, 08:43 AM
I think RAB is Regulus Black (I personally don't think JK thought we'd catch on as fast as everyone has)
Ron and Hermione WILL get together
and I think Percy should Die!
Spock
01-13-2006, 12:59 PM
One of the Weasleys will die! :(
Harry will run off to Tibet and learn ninjistu! :confused:
Snape was actually good! :eek:
1. I hope not, they are a very grounded family for wizards.
2. Ninjitsu isn't taught in Tibet. It orginated in Japan and is taught many
countries but not there.
3. Snape is a conundrum. :confused:
cee2lee2
01-13-2006, 10:59 PM
........
and I think Percy should Die!
But only after he sees the light and returns to his family; and dies fighting against Voldemort and his Deatheaters. I want Mollie to have something to be proud of besides him being Head Boy.
King of The Istari
01-19-2006, 08:57 AM
yeah, dying whilst still being a pratt would be a little annoying
it looks like tis book will be full of redemptions
MangoPi
01-21-2006, 05:53 PM
I should hope so.
Percy, above any thing else is still a Weasley, and if we know one thing about the Weasley is that they are all about family. I was shocked that they shunned him so, even after all he did.
I should hate to see any charcters in book 7 die, even any of the Malfoys. (well....you know....exclude Voldy form that, of course :D) JKR points this out again and again: "It sucks when some one dies."
ETA: (Spock, you are so right about ninjistu. I am defeated by your logic. :o )
durinsbane2244
01-28-2006, 09:38 PM
i could see percy diving in front of molly...or arthur...avada kedavra, and off to beddy bye!
Merenwen Vardamir
01-28-2006, 09:44 PM
I can see that..... It would be him redeaming himself and getting punished. lol
King of The Istari
02-03-2006, 09:00 AM
I think a weasley has to die to make the "everyone suffers at the hands of voldemort" thing credible and give harry even more reason to kill voldemort
Percy makes sense because they've made such a fuss of him leaving the family so him comeing back and saving someone or dying by some other means seems right
b.banner
03-29-2006, 05:41 PM
I think RAB is Regulus Black (I personally don't think JK thought we'd catch on as fast as everyone has)
Ron and Hermione WILL get together
and I think Percy should Die!
lol agreed
rohirrim TR
03-29-2006, 05:56 PM
I think a weasley has to die to make the "everyone suffers at the hands of voldemort" thing credible and give harry even more reason to kill voldemort
Percy makes sense because they've made such a fuss of him leaving the family so him comeing back and saving someone or dying by some other means seems right
perhaps but I think that one of the other ones will die either one of the twins or charlie as well as percy, probably a twin that be the most tragic IMO, but who knows. when is book 7 out BTW?
Lief Erikson
03-30-2006, 12:39 PM
:( :( :( :( NOOOOOOO!!!!! J.K. Rowling can't kill a Weasely. :( :( :( :(
azalea
04-02-2006, 12:17 AM
Popular rumor has it that the book will be released on 7-7-07. But then, I suppose that it really all depends on how long it takes her to write the thing, I've heard she's only done about 4 chapters yet.
King of The Istari
04-03-2006, 04:56 PM
thats not that bad really, Book 7 has got to be the hardest to write and it normally takes her two years, she supposidly writes them out of sync so she'll most likely have the 4 hardest chapters pretty much dealt with. the 4 chapters will most likely be something like:
End Chapter
First Chapter
Death of Character
Death of Character
jammi567
06-10-2006, 10:12 AM
i think that if any of the weasleys do die, then it would have to be either ron or ginny, or possibly a twin, to really make harry determained.
p.s ron should die after he and hermione
p.p.s a tradegy could happen at the wedding...
Finrod Felagund
06-10-2006, 08:34 PM
i think Percy will redeem himself as a character and die to save Harry or his family. Perhaps it would be nice.
Maybe Merlin himself should show up and blow up the world.
jammi567
06-12-2006, 11:58 AM
you think so. :) :D
Finrod Felagund
06-18-2006, 03:00 AM
Well, here's some things that J.K. Rowling has denied being True.
Character Information
There will be no character named "Icicle," and JK said that she didn't recall saying there ever would be
Dumbledore is not Harry's relative
Harry is not related to Voldemort and he is not related to Salazar Slytherin
Lily Potter is not alive
Lily was not a Death Eater
Crookshanks is not an Animagus
Neville is not the son of Peter Pettigrew
Remus Lupin does not have a twin brother
Petunia is not a Squib
Dumbledore is not Harry/Ron from the future
Mrs Norris/Crookshanks will not be discovered as an Animagus
Plot Information
Harry will not become Minister for Magic
Peter Pettigrew’s silver hand will not kill Lupin
Lupin will not return as a DADA professor
The prophecy refers to Harry, and not in any way to Neville
The final part of the prophecy does not mean Harry has to kill Neville, or vice versa
Other
The title of the book will not be "Harry Potter and the Pyramids of Furmat"
No prequel books are planned (no books before Harry's time at Hogwarts)
"Keeper of the Keys" has no secret meaning
The Sorting Hat is not a horcrux
And here's what we DO know for sure
Character Information
We will find out something "incredibly important" about Lily Potter
We will find out who R.A.B. is
We will discover more about Dumbledore's past
We will discover where Snape's loyalties lie.
Something will be revealed about Petunia Dursley, although it will not be that she is a Squib
Viktor Krum will return (World Book Day, 2004 interview)
We will see a reappearance of Dolores Umbridge - "It's too much fun to torture her not to have another little bit more before I finish." (MuggleNet/Leaky Interview)
JKR has said, "There is a character who does manage, in desperate circumstances, to do magic quite late in life, but that is very rare..."
Plot Information
Harry will face Voldemort for the final time
Harry will be attempting to find and destroy Voldemort’s remaining Horcruxes
Harry will return to the Dursleys' during the school vacation, but the magical protection Dumbledore arranged will expire on his 17th birthday when he comes of age
Harry will visit Godric's Hollow
We will discover the reason for Sirius' death, and see a reappearance of the two-way mirror
We will see the wedding of Fleur and Bill Weasley
The fact that Harry "has his mother's eyes" will prove to be an important plot point
At least one character will die
Other
The last word is expected to be "scar," but may change
We will finally learn the full reason why some people become ghosts when they die and others don't
The final chapter, which has already been written, will detail what happens to the characters that survive
There will be no more Quidditch matches
strider8
06-18-2006, 06:19 AM
Flammel won't teach potions.
cee2lee2
06-26-2006, 10:41 PM
Well, we still don't know who is going to die, but we know it will be more than one. Reuters is reporting that in an interview with Channel 4, J. K. Rowling said that one got a reprieve but 2 die that she didn't intend to die.
Rowling to kill two in final Potter book Mon Jun 26, 3:52 PM ET
LONDON (Reuters) - Children's author J.K. Rowling has revealed that at least two characters will die in the seventh and final installment of her bestselling Harry Potter series, but was careful not to say who......
"The final chapter is hidden away, although it's now changed very slightly," she said in an interview broadcast on Monday on Britain's Channel 4. "One character got a reprieve, but I have to say two die that I didn't intend to die."
When asked to be more specific, she added: "No, I'm not going to commit myself, because I don't want the hate mail or anything else."
She did explain that she understood an author's desire to kill off the main character of a successful series.
"I've never been tempted to kill him (Harry) off before the end of book seven, because I always planned seven books and that's where I want to go.
"I can completely understand, however, the mentality of an author who thinks 'Well, I'm going to kill them off because that means there can be no non-author-written sequels ... so it will end with me, and after I'm dead and gone they won't be able to bring back the character'."................."
durinsbane2244
06-26-2006, 11:12 PM
i just saw on CNN that Rowling has said that "harry might die"...er...shocker, eh? ;)
Spock
06-27-2006, 12:30 PM
J.K. Rowling has revealed that in the 7th and final Harry Potter story, 2 characters are set to die.On the Richard and Judy show yesterday, she also revealed, that she had actually written the final chapter, of the final book back in 1990.
"One character had a reprieve, but i have to say that two die, that i didn't intend to die" she said.
But she is being carefull not to reveal, who those characters are.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/5119836.stm
I'm getting impatient - will it really not come out until July 2007?
cee2lee2
09-30-2006, 01:05 AM
Yes...supposedly to be published July 13, 2007. It's a long wait.
The last sane person
09-30-2006, 01:55 AM
I hope Hermione and Ron kick it. Death in a lover's arms or some rot.
minnie
10-11-2006, 02:47 PM
Somehow I don't think Snape will turn good, and I also think that Dumbledore is really dead. It's sad, but that's how I think it is.......
Maybe the portrait of Dumbledore can help Harry somehow in the future, or
other things Dumbledore left behind.
I wonder what will happen to Dumbledores office and the instruments he had there! Will there be an heir?
jammi567
10-11-2006, 03:11 PM
j.k confermed that dd was indeed dead all the way back in august. just so you know. :)
klatukatt
10-11-2006, 03:36 PM
Has anyone pondered the thought that Harry is actually a horcrux? Maybe an accidental one, but one all the same. Possibly to insure Voldemort's ultimate demise he has to kill himself.
I would like that.
(And Snape is bad. Oh yeah.)
yeah, I think I remember that theory ...
Lord of the Mark
10-13-2006, 11:08 PM
I belive that Ron will die, because he's always wanted to be better then his brothers and he will prove he is by saving Harry. That's just what I think, not sure about the other one though...
klatukatt
10-19-2006, 12:34 AM
I REALLY want Harry to die, but NOOOOO. bloody.
Menelvagor
10-22-2006, 11:12 PM
If Harry is going to receive help from an already-dead character it's going to be Sirius, because that mirror needs to come back (we've been waiting for that for three books now and Harry hasn't remembered it yet, so it's got to come out soon). Some combination of Sirius's mirror and Dumbledore's portrait will give Harry enough guidance that it won't seem too easy, but still allow all of it to come down to Harry in the end. And yeah, a Weasley's going to die.
Master'sBaneSwiftSnowmane
12-15-2006, 12:38 AM
I think that having Dumbledore contact Harry through any means would be a cheap cop out. A big part of his dying was that he could no longer help Harry, and thus our intrepid teenaged hero must go it alone (sort of, you know Ron and Hermione won't be left on the side lines.)
In book Seven I really expect Harry to come into his own as an adult sort of.
Kind of like it would have been a cheap cop out to bring back and/or contact Sirius in the 6th book? Yet, everyone believed that would happen.
Can't forget about Ginny either. Honestly though, I'd be rather dissappionted if JKR turned this book into a romance novel. Doubt that'll happen though, she's too smart for that.
Anyway, I'm tired and lazy...so I haven't read past the post that I quoted...anyone got any reliable info. on who RAB is? Everyone's pretty much decided that he's Regulus...but I'd still like to know.
I just want the book to come out.
Master'sBaneSwiftSnowmane
12-15-2006, 12:47 AM
If Harry is going to receive help from an already-dead character it's going to be Sirius, because that mirror needs to come back (we've been waiting for that for three books now and Harry hasn't remembered it yet, so it's got to come out soon). Some combination of Sirius's mirror and Dumbledore's portrait will give Harry enough guidance that it won't seem too easy, but still allow all of it to come down to Harry in the end. And yeah, a Weasley's going to die.
I want the mirror to be a Ron/Harry thing. You know, James and Sirius had them, it seems fitting that Ron and Harry should have them. I stick to my thinking that if Sirius came back in almost any way, shape, or form it's going to be a cheap cop out. I honestly don't know how helpful D's pic. is going to be. It is only a picture. I mean, we've seen how helpful Phineas is...was.
I think I don't want Harry to die. At the end of most books of this nature (LOTR for example) the hero, the one who is the most changed, either dies or goes off someplace else. I want to see how the person who is the most changed, the most damaged, who's life has always been defined by someone else picks up the peices and moves on.
Wouldn't it suck if Ginny was the Weasly to die? I think more than one Weasly will die. Infact, book 7 will be a homicide fest.
Lizra
12-15-2006, 08:49 AM
as much as I'd like her to extend the series, I doubt it, I heard somewhere she's already written the last chapter of book 7 (she supposedly writes them out of sync) seeing that the last chapter would be the hardest to write shes most likely tackled that first. but then again now JK has to write up to that last chapter, if that takes too long it very well be split into two books.
This is such a cool "trick"! You tend to wonder how she comes up with all the intertwining detail and complex storytelling....writing tricks! :D :cool: Just as many artists have some tricks up their sleeves to add layers of interest to paintings.....I bet authors do too. Coming up with a key moving chapter.....that flows easily, with purpose.....like water after a storm, then filling in the blanks just makes it all seem "do-able"....exciting! :) :cool:
If someone heroically pulls a peice of magic out of their sleeve...late in life, I'm torn between Petunia, trying to protect her family when Harry's protection wears off...and that nasty caretaker at Hogworts w/the cat doing something desperate to protect the school......
I wonder about Dobby and the house elves....that's all....I just wonder. :p
sun-star
12-21-2006, 04:52 PM
I like the sound of Book 7's title (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6200745.stm). Very Gothic.
cee2lee2
12-21-2006, 11:21 PM
Just makes me more frustrated that it's not ready yet to read :D
Lady Ravyn
12-22-2006, 06:44 PM
ARGH!!! CAN'T WAIT!!!!!
:D
july... in july it will be here, precioussssssss...
oops! wrong book reference! :o
:D
klatukatt
12-24-2006, 02:24 AM
July it is then?
Excellent. Finally we can get this whole thing over with.
I like the title as well.
Lizra
12-24-2006, 11:09 AM
July? Dang! Right around the corner! :cool:
The last sane person
12-24-2006, 08:29 PM
Oh god forbid. Well, at least it'll be over and done with.
azalea
01-01-2007, 07:55 PM
I can't decide if I think the title refers to a place (my first thought) or people/ ghosts or some such.
BTW, book 7 release date has not been even hinted at by JKR or publishers. July is wishful thinking (IOW, I wish!); the latest speculation I've heard is perhaps Halloween (due to the book title).
Lizra
01-01-2007, 10:52 PM
I thought July seemed awful soon! :(
I think of Godrics Hollow being the starting point, and then with maybe Harry experiencing some of the strange versions of death in Potterverse and coming back to help with major changes that will ultimately occur in the wizarding world..... :o :D :p :rolleyes:
Nurvingiel
01-11-2007, 03:40 AM
The fact that Harry "has his mother's eyes" will prove to be an important plot pointOMG Snape is Harry's father.
There will be no more Quidditch matchesNooooo...
You know, I'm disappointed that Quidditch has been axed basically since the fourth book. It seems like the fun little details that made the earlier books so awesome have been benched. Or maybe I just miss Quidditch, because it's wonderful. I love reading about Quidditch.
tomstheman
01-21-2007, 08:22 PM
[QUOTE=Nurvingiel]OMG Snape is Harry's father.
How could Snape be Harry's father if Harry looks like James with Lilly's eyes? Just wondering.
Any way can't wait for the new book to come out. I think its going to be interesting to see how JK works things out. Also I think she has this whole letting little things slip out to entice the fans. It should be amazing.
jammi567
01-22-2007, 03:19 AM
How could Snape be Harry's father if Harry looks like James with Lilly's eyes? Just wondering.
i think he's being sarcastic.
tomstheman
01-24-2007, 10:35 PM
oh that makes more sense
Serenoli
01-25-2007, 01:21 PM
Its not just the fact that his parents lived at godirc's Hollow (and were ever so rich) that makes me firmly convinced that Harry is definitely related to Godric Gryffindor. After all, think about it. The village name, the fact that Harry pulled out the sword from the hat, and Dumbledore said 'only a [I]true Gryffindor could have done that'. That has an ambigious meaning, after all, he could mean either Gryffindor in the sense of belonging to the house, or Gryffindor in the sense of being related.
Then there's the fact that Voldemort and Harry are bitter enemies, and Gryffindor and Slytherin, too, were enemies. (The fact that they were initially best friends is paralleled by how similar Harry and Tom Riddle are, outwardly and by circumstances). They are both the last living descendants of G and S. Those two had a conflict over the whole 'pure-blood' question, and the conflict was never resolved. Now Harry and Voldemort are fighting over the same conflict, and according to the prophecy will end the conflict, more or less. And if by any chance Voldy knew that Harry is descended from G, it explains why he went for Harry, not Neville.
Elfmaster XK
01-27-2007, 02:52 PM
I like the sound of Book 7's title (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6200745.stm). Very Gothic.
Really? I don't like the word deathly at all. And as hallowed is a sacred place, or a place set apart...I dunno. It doesn't seem to quite make sense to me, or sound right. Still, I am hoping for it to come out soon so that the story can do better than the title! :D
Rána Eressëa
01-28-2007, 06:53 AM
I think I'm still laughing over this title.
I thought I wouldn't after some time had passed, but eh, it doesn't look like anything's changed.
It's still funny. :D
Serenoli
01-29-2007, 02:01 PM
me, too, im afraid. Of all the titles, I am certain I like this the least. Maybe, maybe, if I read the book I'll find out the real meaning and like it, but right now, it seems much too dramatic...
Nurvingiel
01-30-2007, 11:12 PM
I don't think it's too dramatic for this book. I mean, if any author can pull it off, it's Rowling.
What I want to know, is what are the Deadly Hallows? There is no noun "hallow" so it's a place name she has created, which gives it a great deal of potential awesomeness.
Also, I still don't think Dumbledore is dead. I won't believe this unless he hasn't shown up half-way through the book.
jammi567
02-01-2007, 11:44 AM
Breaking news: the next book is out on the 21st July!
sisterandcousinandaunt
02-01-2007, 01:10 PM
who identified herself as an "Inkling", although there's debate about that, killed off Lord Peter Wimsey because he'd become SO famous that she felt her more serious work (like translations of Dante) never got any attention.
I wonder if that kind of concern is in J.K. Rowling's mind...that she's "that Harry Potter woman", and she wants to be recognised for other things.
Bad look-out for Harry, if so. ;)
Master'sBaneSwiftSnowmane
02-01-2007, 05:42 PM
How do you know? If that's true, I'm already bouncing in my seat...it's time for Mr. Potter to stop ruling my life.
(OOC: I heard Daniel Radcliff was going to attend UVA, silly rumour, I know, but still. I live quite close to UVA and I am aware of several people who have allowed this knowledge to influence there choice of colleges.)
Anyways, I want the mirrors to show back up. For some reason that's the part that's bugging the snot out of me. I don't why, but if they aren't in the first few chapters, I'll probably scream.
I rather like the name of this book. It's very dramatic and what else would this book be? I can't wait to find out what the "Hallows" are. You don't think it's a mistake though do you? Hallow=Hollows...Godric's Hollow...Deathly Hollows (Godric's Hollow where the final battle is fought and lots die...)
Just a thought.
jammi567
02-01-2007, 06:03 PM
i probally know probally because it's been in all the news everywhere.
Master'sBaneSwiftSnowmane
02-01-2007, 07:04 PM
Its not just the fact that his parents lived at godirc's Hollow (and were ever so rich) that makes me firmly convinced that Harry is definitely related to Godric Gryffindor. After all, think about it. The village name, the fact that Harry pulled out the sword from the hat, and Dumbledore said 'only a [I]true Gryffindor could have done that'. That has an ambigious meaning, after all, he could mean either Gryffindor in the sense of belonging to the house, or Gryffindor in the sense of being related.
Then there's the fact that Voldemort and Harry are bitter enemies, and Gryffindor and Slytherin, too, were enemies. (The fact that they were initially best friends is paralleled by how similar Harry and Tom Riddle are, outwardly and by circumstances). They are both the last living descendants of G and S. Those two had a conflict over the whole 'pure-blood' question, and the conflict was never resolved. Now Harry and Voldemort are fighting over the same conflict, and according to the prophecy will end the conflict, more or less. And if by any chance Voldy knew that Harry is descended from G, it explains why he went for Harry, not Neville.
I believe that Dumbldore said, "Only a true follower of Gryffindor..." So, he could have been hinting that Harry is related to Godric (which I doubt), but he was definently refering to Harry's House. If I remember the context correctly too, Harry was having problems believing that the Sorting Hat put him in the correct House. Dumbldore was mostly reassuring Harry when he said that. I'm not saying that it couldn't be true, I just don't want it to be. There is evidence here for both...especially in her interviews, but I don't think they are pointing to a relation between Harry and Godric. I
Dumbldore already explained to Harry that Voldemort went for Harry because he identified with Harry. Neither Harry nor Voldemort are pure bloods so, that's why Voldy saw Harry as more of a threat, Neville is a pure blood after all. Also, it could have been something to do with magical talent. We know his followers fought with Neville's parents, we can only assume the same for Harry's parents and so, maybe Voldemort also went for the child that came from the more magically powerful family. I'm sure Lilly and James's jobs will shed more light on that one though (and *gasp* we get to find that out in the 7th book!!!).
"Now Harry and Voldemort are fighting over the same conflict..." Are they really though? I mean sure, Voldy wants a pure blood wizarding world just like Salazar...but Harry? Yeah, he thinks what Voldy is doing is wrong, but is he fighting to defend that belief? We know he would desperatly like to avenge his parents, a lot of his earlier anger (in the first three books when Harry is still a preteen and isn't as emotionally and mentally developed as he is now) is fueled by that. He's fighting to defend himself, if he didn't fight, he would certainly die. But is he really fighting for the non-pure blooded wizarding world? He wants to protect his friends, he does not want Voldy to set up a totalitarian government in the wizarding world, and he does think that Voldy's ideas are wrong but, would he step up and fight the fight that he is now if Voldy wasn't out for his blood?
A different opinion about the book's title:http://www.hp-lexicon.org/essays/essay-grail.html This is an excellent essay, and rather interesting to read...you should definently check it out.
I feel like some of our debates have stagnated, so here's a big list for us to speculate and discuss: http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/#static:whatsleft/comp
Master'sBaneSwiftSnowmane
02-01-2007, 07:06 PM
i probally know probally because it's been in all the news everywhere.
Snappy much? I was not being rude, I just wanted to know where you found the information.
Nurvingiel
02-15-2007, 01:23 AM
who identified herself as an "Inkling", although there's debate about that, killed off Lord Peter Wimsey because he'd become SO famous that she felt her more serious work (like translations of Dante) never got any attention.
I wonder if that kind of concern is in J.K. Rowling's mind...that she's "that Harry Potter woman", and she wants to be recognised for other things.
Bad look-out for Harry, if so. ;)Hahaha! :D Of course, she always said that she was only going to write seven books. She doesn't need to kill off old Harry to be done with the series.
I was wondering if Rowling would write any other books, and how they would go over.
Lady Ravyn
03-10-2007, 03:54 PM
i am SO psyched!!!
the library i work at is having a book 7 release party at midnight on the 21st of july when it comes out!!! :D
we're gonna have games and really awesome prizes (the HP video games, dvds AND books!!!) i cannot wait!!!
:D
b.banner
05-30-2007, 08:05 PM
i am rereading Book 6 to prepare myself for The Deathly Hallows :D
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