samwise the down trodden help!

[The Screaming Nazgul]

Who here thinks that sam does all the work gets no praise, and then frodo bu**ers off and leaves him to go on holiday in a big boat!!!!

dam it first time i post a new thread and i put it in wrong listing, oh well no wonder us Nazgul never got the ring!!!!

[rohirrim TR]

I think your right Sam is the real hero and the movies don't give him enough praise for being a hero (i assume you are refering to the films because in the books he sails to valinor later)

BTW welcome to the moot :)

[The Screaming Nazgul]

I did not know that sam went to valinor. thanks for telling me. i was thinking of the films but have read the 3 books twice but not all the extra bits, in fact not read the hobbit either

[rohirrim TR]

yes it is in the appendices about sam sailing away :)

[The Screaming Nazgul]

:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: Get me right i love the books and i love films but the appendices seem to be a bit mind blowing, but back to Sam he is the unsung hero in book and in the films, we should start the SAM APPRECIATION SOCIETY. :confused:

[rohirrim TR]

yeah sam pretty much owns, and he was cast very well IMO

[Sister Golden Hair]

dam it first time i post a new thread and i put it in wrong listing, oh well no wonder us Nazgul never got the ring!!!!Well, General Messages is definately the wrong forum. :) Moving to the Lord of the Rings forum.

[Elanor]

Sam is awesome. Without him, Middle Earth would be Kaput. I don't think Frodo under-appreciates him, but most other people do, especially the other hobbits in the Shire! Sure they made him Mayor, but they don't really understand what he's been through.

[Nurvingiel]

Sam under-appreciates himself, which is the leading cause of any Sam under-appreciation. IIRC, Sam was flabbergasted when Frodo suggested he run for mayor. Which he then did, and won, nine times. I guess he's pretty well appreciated after all. ;)
Not to mention that, outside of the Shire, he and Frodo are regarded as the heroes of the Third Age. But other than that... :D

[Curubethion]

Actually, Frodo wasn't really regarded as a hero...and Sam was elected Mayor of Hobbiton like twenty times in a row...

[Curubethion]

Oh, and I noticed something odd the other day. It was a pickup, with a name on the side: Gamgee Gardeners...I'm serious!

[Nurvingiel]

Actually, Frodo wasn't really regarded as a hero...and Sam was elected Mayor of Hobbiton like twenty times in a row...
Frodo was definitely regarded as a hero outside the Shire. That's what I meant when I said he and Sam were regarded as heroes of the Third Age. Within the Shire, Merry and Pippin were the big heroes, with Sam to a lesser degree. Only Frodo went unrecognized in the Shire.

It was nine times in a row. :p

[Spock]

It probably had something to do with the fine armor and clothes they wore in "scouring of the shire", while Frodo planned and was in the background they rallied the people. Just a guess.

[durinsbane2244]

and a guess most likely true...also, in the movie, i liked the "my friends, you bow to no one."..buy maybe i just like aragorn and viggo...anybody see viggo on the daily show? hilarious...

[Firekitten2006]

But weren't the Baggins generally looked upon as "odd" anyway? (or at least after Bilbo's adventure right?)

[durinsbane2244]

mostly just bilbo...as he was the only real baggins...and he was odd for hobbit standards...and they thought he was rich...

[Firekitten2006]

Well but Frodo was a Baggins after Bilbo basically adopted him. So it seemed to the people in the shire that he was 'odd' like Bilbo after he went on that long adverture that they knew nothing of, and was quiet, unlike Merry and Pippen the major attention seekers.

[durinsbane2244]

true, but Frodo left pretty soon after his return, so there weren't really any bagginses left to look upon as odd...

[luvEyowen]

Who here thinks that sam does all the work gets no praise, and then frodo bu**ers off and leaves him to go on holiday in a big boat!
Didn't Sam bear the ring? :confused: :confused:

[durinsbane2244]

for a short time...also, christopher lee thinks sam is the real hero, and he's christopher lee! yay christopher lee!

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

true, but Frodo left pretty soon after his return, so there weren't really any bagginses left to look upon as odd...
Sure, there was other Bagginses, but not any as "odd" as old Bilbo or Frodo....Merry and Pippen the major attention seekers.
I wouldn't call them "attention seekers", but rather hobbits who have experienced much and are representing far away places in a somewhat secluded land. ;) bilbo...as he was the only real baggins.
Explain that please. He was half Took. :confused: ;)

[King of The Istari]

Frodo was definitely regarded as a hero outside the Shire. That's what I meant when I said he and Sam were regarded as heroes of the Third Age. Within the Shire, Merry and Pippin were the big heroes, with Sam to a lesser degree. Only Frodo went unrecognized in the Shire.

It was nine times in a row. :p

Frodo only went unrecognised because when he returned he was considered as odd as Bilbo for going off and having an adventure, Merry and Pippin were more important in the shire because they were the only Hobbits ever to be Knighted by Men and to be considered the equalls of Men

I know outside the Shire Frodo and Sam were more important than both merry and pippin but the shire folk don't know that because they see that Merry and Pippin have Fancy titles and Frodo doesn't talk about what happened on his adventure he is just considered odd

[King of The Istari]

Sure, there was other Bagginses, but not any as "odd" as old Bilbo or Frodo.
I wouldn't call them "attention seekers", but rather hobbits who have experienced much and are representing far away places in a somewhat secluded land. ;)
Explain that please. He was half Took. :confused: ;)

Frodo was half Brandybuck half Baggins

[Spock]

Actually Frodo was adopted by Bilbo and so a Baggins in name only.

[Valandil]

Actually Frodo was adopted by Bilbo and so a Baggins in name only.

But his father was a Baggins as well - so Frodo's surname was 'Baggins' from birth... and he was a Baggins by birth every bit as much as Bilbo.

[The Gaffer]

Sam under-appreciates himself, which is the leading cause of any Sam under-appreciation. IIRC, Sam was flabbergasted when Frodo suggested he run for mayor. Which he then did, and won, nine times. I guess he's pretty well appreciated after all. ;)
Not to mention that, outside of the Shire, he and Frodo are regarded as the heroes of the Third Age. But other than that... :D
Good point. IMO it is really Sam's story. Frodo is fundamentally changed by his experience of ring-bearing, but Sam triumphs through his own humility and natural wisdom. He is the continuous thread between those who had to lose what they had so that it could be saved for others and those for whom it was saved. (If that makes sense.)

[littleadanel]

Good point. IMO it is really Sam's story. Frodo is fundamentally changed by his experience of ring-bearing, but Sam triumphs through his own humility and natural wisdom. He is the continuous thread between those who had to lose what they had so that it could be saved for others and those for whom it was saved. (If that makes sense.)

Yes, it does make sense, I think... Sam lived a long and happy life in the Shire he had helped saving, but finally he sailed away too, being a Ringbearer as well. Maybe he was able to find his place in the "normal world" after all they had gone through because he had been Ringbearer only for a short time. He began to feel like Frodo felt only after many years, when he grew old. (And lost his Rosie...)

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

Frodo was half Brandybuck half Baggins
:eek: How did I get that wrong? *bangs head on wall* :o

[luvEyowen]

Merry and Pippen the major attention seekers.


You spelled "Pippin" wrong. :D