The Lord of the Rings discussion project

[azalea]

Inspired by the Silmarillion discussion project, I’ve decided to do something similar here for The Lord of the Rings. This will be a segment-by-segment analysis of the book, with introductions by different members. Some lengthy chapters are stand alone, but most are two chapters together. There will be a new segment every two weeks. If things slow down in the discussion, I might see if the next person can post their intro early to keep things moving. My vision was that we’d all read the book at the same time together, like we were trying to do in the book club forum, but since we’ll be taking about 84 weeks for the discussion, I know at least I won’t be able to wait that long to finish it again! I’m going to try, but it’s hard to keep momentum going when you’ve got to wait to get to the next part, esp at the suspenseful parts.

A few guidelines to get us started: First of all, I feel it necessary to remind everyone that this is the BOOK forum, and that aside from the stray comment here and there about how the movies showed a scene or character, we ask that you PLEASE refrain from mentioning the movies HERE, but feel free to go to that forum to discuss them.

Secondly, I wanted to give a format for the intros. Each segment may be longer than the Silmarillion chapters were, but remember that LotR is less dense in terms of content. For instance, in the space it takes to describe one battle in LotR, The Silmarillion describes an entire “mini-tale.” That’s why I made it so that we’ll usually be doing two at once, it also being in the interest of keeping the momentum going. So don’t be frightened of the amount of material you have to introduce.
I feel that summation of the chapter is unnecessary for the above reason. Don’t bother describing everything that happens in the chapter, as most of us practically know it by heart. Rather, include the following four points:
1.Tell what is/ are the important main events of the chapter(s), what characters are introduced and what are the major plot points.
2.Tell what you liked about this/ these chapter(s) – favorite part, scenes that were particularly funny, scary, descriptive, what stands out to you in the chapter.
3.Tell what, if anything, you disliked or think could have been different, criticisms of Tolkien’s writing, as well as what might have gone differently in the story (there are always some good “what ifs” to spark discussion).
4.Finally, list some questions or comments for discussion, content-based or otherwise.
I think this can be done in one or two posts. I don’t want us to focus our energy too much on writing the intros, but instead make the focus the chapter(s) and our discourse about it, hopefully having all just read it.

Finally, I’d like to say a word about “canon,” for the purposes of our discussion. This may be controversial, but I think it is in the best interest of the project to establish this guideline. Certainly you may mention ties to the Silmarillion in discussing the chapters. Also, interesting factoids about the life of Tolkien are welcome (pertinent quotes from Letters, etc.), to add to the discussion of this or that part or aspect of the story. But I’d like to make this a discussion of The Lord of the Rings as a discreet, stand-alone work (although it arguably is not), as if we are reading it when it first came out. I think pulling in info from the greater mythology FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS PROJECT will muddy the waters too much (obviously I’m not talking about any other threads in this forum). Let’s try just for these threads to say that the material contained in the text is canonical, whether or not HoME or other texts published later appear to refute it. I think this will serve to do a few things: it will “level the playing field” (not everyone has read the HoME, and some haven’t even read The Silm), it will allow for wider participation for that reason, and part of the goal of this project is to revitalize this forum and to draw in new people, or people who heretofore have been shy about participating in the discussions. Let’s let everyone feel confident about sharing their views, Tolkien “scholar” and first time reader alike, without feeling like they’re going to be corrected for a “wrong” statement. Of course, feel free to argue and bicker about stuff like we always do (J), but don’t make it an argument based on ME info that can’t be gotten from the LotR text itself. I hope this decision doesn’t dampen anyone’s enthusiasm for participating in the project, but please know that I’m doing this so that as many people as possible will be able to fully be a part of this, and feel confident in doing so. Plus, I want this to be more a discussion of the work itself, and not of the mythology. Sometimes bringing to much extraneous stuff in detracts from the story.

This should be a lot of fun if the Silmarillion project is any indicator, and I hope a lot of you will sign up for chapters, and that everyone else will come and participate in the discussions – this is the excuse you’ve been waiting for to read it again, this time along with your fellow mooters! J

The next post will be the list of chapters. I divided them up so that as many as possible could be in pairs, but the long ones will stand alone. I’ve only put a due date on the first one, because I’d like to see when we can get the first one posted (I’ll take it if no one else wants it, but I’ve already picked my two – see below). After that gets posted, I’ll add due dates for the next ones, but just know that if you have the next one, it’s due two weeks after the one before it was posted. I’ve included the Foreword and Prologue, as well as the Appendices (except for the Family Trees), as I feel they have much material for discussion, and I know we all include them when we read it anyway. ;) Please don’t post here until I’ve gotten that second post up, so these can be together. You can go ahead and request what chapters you want to intro once I’ve posted it, but let’s stick to two per person right now, to give everyone a chance to sign up for one that wants to. It will be first ask, first pick. IMPORTANT: If you know in advance that you will be unable to do your chapters, PLEASE post that here or PM me, so that we can reassign it. If you decide to leave/ take a break from Entmoot, please do the courtesy of letting us know you won’t be here to put up your chapter. That has been the only problem encountered in the Silmarillion project – people not showing up on their due date.
Another note: Obviously a lot of what we discuss will have been discussed in other threads. That's okay. This is a separate project, and the other threads are for going into greater depth for a particular aspect of the books. Repitition is okay here. :)

And now, without further ado…

[azalea]

1. Foreword and Prologue – due March 12th (at the latest) -- assigned to Azalea
2. Book I, ch. 1: A Long Expected Party -- assigned to Cassiopeia --DUE MARCH 26
3. Book I, ch. 2: The Shadow of the Past – assigned to Jerseydevil --DUE APRIL 9 (posted on April 17)
4. Book I, ch. 3&4: Three is Company and A Shortcut to Mushrooms -- assigned to Tuor of Gondolin --DUE APRIL 30
5. Book I, ch. 5&6: A Conspiracy Unmasked and The Old Forest – assigned to Jerseydevil -- DUE MAY 20 (posted on June 23)
6. Book I, ch. 7&8: In the House of Tom Bombadil and Fog on the Barrow Downs -- assigned to Rian --DUE JULY 8
7. Book I, ch. 9&10: At the Sign of the Prancing Pony and Strider -- assigned to Fat Middle -- DUE JULY 29 (posted on Aug. 8)
8. Book I, ch. 11&12: A Knife in the Dark and Flight to the Ford -- assigned to Linaewen --DUE AUG.20
9. Book II, ch. 1: Many Meetings -- assigned to brownjenkins --DUE SEPT. 2
10. Book II, ch. 2: The Council of Elrond -- assigned to Finrod Felagund --DUE SEPT 16 (posted Oct.2)
11. Book II, ch. 3: The Ring Goes South -- assigned to Maegondowen --DUE OCT. 16 (posted on Oct. 17 by Forkbeard)
12. Book II, ch. 4: A Journey in the Dark -- assigned to Earniel --DUE OCT. 30 (posted Nov. 2, 2004)
13. Book II, ch. 5&6: The Bridge of Khazad-dum and Lothlorien -- assigned to Brownjenkins --DUE NOV. 16 (partial post Dec. 5, 2004) REMAINDER DUE DEC. 21
14. Book II ch. 7&8: The Mirror of Galadriel and Farewell to Lorien -- assigned to Artanis --DUE JAN. 4 (posted Jan. 4, 2005)
15. Book II, ch. 9&10: The Great River and The Breaking of the Fellowship -- assigned to Luinilwen reassigned to Beard of Pants DUE JAN. 18 (posted Jan. 18, 2005)
16. Book III, ch. 1&2: The Departure of Boromir and The Riders of Rohan -- assigned to Forkbeard DUE FEB. 1 (posted Feb. 5, 2005)
17. Book III, ch. 3: The Uruk-hai -- assigned to Last Child of Ungoliant DUE FEB. 19 (posted Feb. 16, 2005)
18. Book III, ch. 4: Treebeard -- assigned to Bombadillo DUE MARCH 5 (posted March 4, 2005)
19. Book III, ch. 5: The White Rider -- assigned to mithrand1r DUE MARCH 19
20. Book III, ch. 6&7: The King of the Golden Hall and Helm’s Deep -- assigned to Earniel DUE APRIL 2 (posted Apr. 6, 2005)
21. Book III, ch. 8&9: The Road to Isengard and Flotsam and Jetsam -- assigned to Bombadillo (Reassigned to Forkbeard) DUE MAY 15 (posted May 14 & 16, 2005)
22. Book III, ch. 10&11: The Voice of Saruman and The Palantir -- assigned to Linaewen and Radagast the Brown DUE MAY 29 (posted June 8.. ish, 2005)
23. Book IV, ch. 1&2: The Taming of Smeagol and The Passage of the Marshes assigned to Telcontar Dunedain DUE JUNE 22 (posted June 25, 2005)
24. Book IV, ch. 3&4: The Black Gate is Closed and Of Herbs and Stewed Rabbit -- assigned to BeardofPants DUE JULY 9 (posted July 9, 2005 - NZ time ;) )
25. Book IV, ch. 5&6: The Window on the West and The Forbidden Pool -- assigned to Artanis ( Reassigned to The Gaffer ) DUE JULY 23 (posted July 23, 2005)
26. Book IV, ch. 7&8: The Journey to the Crossroads and The Stairs of Cirith Ungol - assigned to Elanor the Fair DUE AUGUST 6 (posted August 6, 2005)
27. Book IV, ch. 9&10: Shelob’s Lair and The Choices of Master Samwise – assigned to Azalea DUE SEPTEMBER 1
28. Book V, ch. 1: Minas Tirith - assigned to Haradrim (Reassigned to Artanis) DUE SEPTEMBER 22 (tent) (posted September 25, 2005)
29. Book V, ch. 2&3: The Passing of the Grey Company and The Muster of Rohan -- assigned to Dunedain (Reassigned to Butterbeer) DUE OCTOBER 9 (posted October 12 and October 25, 2005)
30. Book V, ch. 4: The Siege of Gondor -- assigned to Beren3000 DUE OCTOBER 23 (posted November 10, 2005)
31. Book V, ch. 5&6: The Ride of the Rohirrim and The Battle of Pelennor Fields -- assigned to Falagar (Reassigned to Valandil) DUE DECEMBER 1 (posted January 12, 2006)
32. Book V, ch. 7&8: The Pyre of Denethor and The Houses of Healing -- assigned to Brownjenkins (Reassigned to Landroval) DUE MARCH 5 (posted March 3, 2006)
33. Book V, ch. 9&10: The Last Debate and The Black Gate Opens -- assigned to Crickhollow DUE MARCH 26 (posted April 1, 2006)
34. Book VI, ch. 1: The Tower of Cirith Ungol -- assigned to Cassiopeia (Reassigned to Serenoli) DUE APRIL 22 (posted April 21, 2006)
35. Book VI, ch 2&3: The Land of Shadow and Mount Doom -- assigned to Telcontar Dunedain DUE MAY 12 (posted May 14, 2006)
36. Book VI, ch. 4&5: The Field of Cormallen and The Steward and the King -- assigned to Dunedain (Reassigned to Landroval ) DUE JUNE 5 (posted June 5, 2006)
37. Book VI, ch. 6&7: Many Partings and Homeward Bound -- assigned to Finrod Felagund DUE JUNE 26 (posted June 29, 2006)
38. Book VI, ch. 8&9: The Scouring of the Shire and The Grey Havens -- assigned to Nurvingiel DUE AUGUST 17 (postponed) (posted August 26, 2006)
39. Appendix A.1: The Numenorian Kings -- assigned to Valandil DUE SEPTEMBER 16 (posted September 16, 2006)
40. Appendix A2&3: The House of Eorl and Durin’s Folk -- assigned to Last Child of Ungoliant (Reassigned to Forkbeard) DUE OCTOBER 7 (posted October 10)
41. Appendices B&D: The Tale of Years and Calendars -- assigned to Valandil DUE OCTOBER 31 (posted November 2)
42. Appendices E&F: Writing and Spelling and The Languages and Peoples of the Third Age/ On Translation (slated to be posted about 84 weeks after the first section - more like about 140 weeks - but that's OK :) ) -- assigned to Forkbeard DUE NOVEMBER 27 (posted December 4, 2006)

~ finis ~

[Nurvingiel]

Wow! This is so exciting Azalea, what a great project! I would absolutely love to participate. For now, I will only sign up for one section, "The Scouring of the Shire" is my favourite chapter:

38. Book VI, ch. 8&9: The Scouring of the Shire and The Grey Havens

Thanks for organizing such a cool project. :)

EDIT: In addition to that, I would definitely have time to do one this summer, so I'll take an earlier one that's due in the summer, unless they all get snapped up. (No fair having more than one if there's people who don't have a chapter yet.)

[azalea]

Done.:) I went ahead and signed up for two, but if too many people want to do intros and there aren't enough chapters, I'll be willing to give up my second one (I will not give up Shelob's Lair and The Choices of Master Samwise, though! Sorry! :) )

Don't forget, everyone: even if you aren't introing a chapter, you can be as active in the discussion as you want, and anyone can add questions or comments for discussion in the thread.

Edit: Hey, guys, just post what section(s) you want here, and I'll post them in the list when I come back on. Just be sure to read the posts above yours to make sure no one has already asked for that section.

[Artanis]

What a great idea azalea. :)
The only bad thing is the difficulty of choosing a chapter, but I'll go for these please:
25. Book IV, ch. 5&6: The Window on the West and The Forbidden Pool
14. Book II ch. 7&8: The Mirror of Galadriel and Farewell to Lorien

I'll take any leftovers too. :)

[Fat middle]

I'd take "7. Book I, ch. 9&10: At the Sign of the Prancing Pony and Strider"

[Valandil]

Azalea,

Great idea! I'm the oddball around here, so I'll take:

39. Appendix A.1: The Numenorian Kings

41. Appendices B&D: The Tale of Years and Calendars

I can also take some book (story) chapters if you like, but there are a lot of Tolkien fans around, so I don't want to start laying claim for too much, too quickly. I'll PM you later to tell you which ones I'm willing to take, so that others won't feel like their favorite chapter is already 'staked out'.

:)

[Linaewen]

How long does it take to discuss one chapter/part? I'd really like to take on

8. Book I, ch. 11&12: A Knife in the Dark and Flight to the Ford

but I think I might be too busy in case it's my turn soon.

If someone (namely a Glorfindel fan ;)) also wishes to do these chapters, then I don't mind sharing.

Have misplaced my FotR. Will find it...

[Radagast The Brown]

Ok, Lin and I decided to do Chapter 10&11: The Voice of Saruman and The Palantir together, although it seems like hard chapters, if it's possible.

Everything, of course, would be run by Lin, becuase she insisted. :p

[Linaewen]

I cannot deny either. ;)

Is it ok to share them? We talk to each other enough; I'm sure we'd be able to collaborate them ok.

[Falagar]

I'd like to contribute as well. :) Not exactly famed for making long posts but I'll give it a try, if it's alright with you. Preferably a chapter[/s] in RotK; right now I'll just say The Ride of the Rohirrim and The Battle of Pelennor Fields (may change).

[azalea]

Valandil -- I don't think you're an oddball at all! The Appendices rule! I know a lot of people are really "into" the different things contained in them, like all those folks in the ME forum who discuss the languages. You are the lucky one who gets the story of Aragorn and Arwen's romance!

Lin and Rad -- I think it's fine to share a section. You could each take one of the chapters, or you could just collaborate in PMs and post as one. So are you saying you only want Section 22, Saruman and The Palantir, and not section 8, or do you want both?

The reason for combining chs. is that some are very short, and also if we're taking two weeks per section, I didn't want to have to wait that long for each chapter. It would be too slow. It is two weeks per section, so #8 won't be due for about 3 months, and #22 won't be due for almost a year.

[Finrod Felagund]

I'd like the Council of Elrond as well as The Voice of Saruman and the Palantir

And If no one else wants it I'll take the appendix on the house of Eorl and Durins folk too.

[Earniel]

IEP! You people are fast. Seems like some of the good chapters are already taken.

Difficult choice....


*shuffles in, attaches herself to chapter and steps on all the greedy reaching fingers* ;)

I'd like 20. Book III, ch. 6&7: The King of the Golden Hall and Helm’s Deep, please.

Can I be greedy and claim 12. Book II, ch. 4: A Journey in the Dark too?

[Tuor of Gondolin]

I'd like to take

19. Book III, ch. 5: The White Rider

Mainly because tricksey Nurvingiel already got "The Scouring of the Shire!":mad: :D

[Valandil]

Originally posted by Eärniel
I'd like 20. Book III, ch. 6&7: The King of the Golden Hall and Helm’s Deep, please.

Can I be greedy and claim 12. Book II, ch. 4: A Journey in the Dark too?

:eek: :confused:

I thought sure you'd take: #18, Treebeard!!! :confused:

:D :cool:

[Earniel]

Originally posted by Valandil
I thought sure you'd take: #18, Treebeard!!! :confused:

*whines* that's another good one! I was thinking about it, honestly. But I feared that if I took my time to look over LoTR to see which chapter I wanted, I'd come back just in time to see the last chapter go away. So I just picked first two that I remember enjoying reading in particular.

Too much choice, precioussss....

[Tuor of Gondolin]

I notice not many early chapters are taken, so, if necessary, I could also do #4. Book I, ch. 3&4: Three is Company and A Shortcut to Mushrooms.
But if someone else doesn't have chapters and wants them, that's fine. The offer is just, if necessary, to keep things going.:)

[Radagast The Brown]

Originally posted by azalea
Lin and Rad -- I think it's fine to share a section. You could each take one of the chapters, or you could just collaborate in PMs and post as one. So are you saying you only want Section 22, Saruman and The Palantir, and not section 8, or do you want both?

The reason for combining chs. is that some are very short, and also if we're taking two weeks per section, I didn't want to have to wait that long for each chapter. It would be too slow. It is two weeks per section, so #8 won't be due for about 3 months, and #22 won't be due for almost a year. Thanks Azalea! :)

I think Lin meant she wants them both; but she might've not. But in anyway we'll do the Voice of Saruman and the Palantir - 'cause I insisted about not doing the knife in the dark and the flight to the ford.

FF - we're doing the Voice of Saruman + the Palantir, so hands off it ;) :p

[azalea]

Remember you are welcome to take up to two chapters. If it comes close to your due date and you don't think you'll be able to do it, it can be reassigned. Please just let me know. Also, you can trade sections, or give one of yours to someone that doesn't have one and wants to do one (I anticipate some newbies will come in during the course of the project), but you just need to LET ME KNOW so that we have an accurate listing. Thanks.:)

[Rían]

Great idea, azalea! I just started re-reading LOTR - it's been a few years because I've been reading the HOME books - and for some reason, I'm appreciating ol' Tom more this time around, so I'll take Book I, ch. 7&8: In the House of Tom Bom and Fog on the Barrow Downs, if they're still open.

Could I just suggest that you PM the person a week in advance to remind them, if you wouldn't mind, in case they can be somewhat forgetful, like me :o

[Nurvingiel]

Thanks Azalea. :) I will sign up for 9. Book II, ch. 1: Many Meetings as well, because I think it will come up due in the summer. (I'll be sure to let you know if I can't actually do it, but it looks good.)
I'll give that one up if we run out of chapters and someone still needs one. :)

[Bombadillo]

I'd be glad to take Book III ch. 4: "Treebeard" and/or Book III ch. 8&9 "The Road to Isengard" and "Flotsam and Jetsam". I hope we can do two, but if not I'd prefer 8 and 9.
In other words, Eärniel or anyone, you could still take "Treebeard" if you want it more than me. :)

This should be good, Azalea. :D

[Nurvingiel]

I love Flotsam and Jetsam! I should have booked that one. Nah, Many Meetings is super too. And of course, my beloved Scouring.

So much Tolkien, so little time. :D

[Bombadillo]

Originally posted by Nurvingiel
I love Flotsam and Jetsam! I should have booked that one. Nah, Many Meetings is super too. And of course, my beloved Scouring.

So much Tolkien, so little time. :D Haha! Too slow! :D ;) Yeah, I missed "The Voice of Sauruman" too, but Rad and Lin will most likely do a better job anyway. These things are being snatched up.

I'd offer to work together with you on "F & J", but I'm already expecting Anglorfin for this.

[azalea]

Rian -- yes, PMs will be sent -- good idea.

Bombadillo -- if Anglorfin does end up working with you on one, please let me know so I can add him.

I'm sure we will all be very generous about letting others have our second sections if they really want one, and also I know we'll all be willing to step in and intro any that aren't taken by the due date, so I'm not at all worried about it. Remember, the discussion is the most important part anyway, and this is all for fun, and hey, we're the mooters. :) We're always very good about sharing, etc. Just go ahead for two chapters if you want, and we can adjust things later if need be. The key here is flexibility.

This is so exciting!:D

[Linaewen]

Originally posted by Bombadillo
Haha! Too slow! :D ;) Yeah, I missed "The Voice of Sauruman" too, but Rad and Lin will most likely do a better job anyway. These things are being snatched up.
I'm fine with you sharing that with us, I don't know about Rad though. We could all discuss it through chat, which is how Rad and I plan to do it. (PM might be inconvenient). Rad and I both doubt our ability to write it well, anyway. :)

Azalea- Yes, I plan to do both sections, if that's ok. :) 3 months should be ample time for me, I hope. And I agree, it is most exciting! :D

[cassiopeia]

I've been thinking of the same idea; it will be nice to discuss the books more!

I'd like to do 2. Book I, ch. 1: A Long Expected Party and 34. Book VI, ch. 1: The Tower of Cirith Ungol. I'd be willing to do any other chapter with hobbits, especially Sam and Frodo's journey, if nobody else wants to, or if somebody drops out.

[Lizra]

Rian took the chapter I would have wanted, (Tom Bombadil) so....I'll pass. Have fun. :)

[Bombadillo]

Originally posted by Linaewen
I'm fine with you sharing that with us, I don't know about Rad though. We could all discuss it through chat, which is how Rad and I plan to do it. (PM might be inconvenient). Rad and I both doubt our ability to write it well, anyway. :)

Azalea- Yes, I plan to do both sections, if that's ok. :) 3 months should be ample time for me, I hope. And I agree, it is most exciting! :D Nah, thank you though. It's just my favorite chapter but I'd rather not write about it anyway. Plus I'd most likely go way overboard and just republish the whole chapter with ridiculous commentary. :D

[brownjenkins]

sounds exciting... i've read the sil project thread a few times, but was a bit late to jump in

i'll let others choose chapters first, as i am somewhat new at this... if there are any left, i'll grab one or two... if not, feel free to put me at the top of the "backup" list for those who are short on time

[Forkbeard]

[I would be interested in doing section 16: Passing of Boromir and the Riders of Rohan

I'll also be interested in undertaking Appendices E&F, unless that's too greedy.

What a great idea!

Forkbeard

[Nurvingiel]

Originally posted by Lizra
Rian took the chapter I would have wanted, (Tom Bombadil) so....I'll pass. Have fun. :)
No other chapter tickles your fancy, such as this excellent chapter?
24. Book IV, ch. 3&4: The Black Gate is Closed and Of Herbs and Stewed Rabbit

I'm surprised no one signed up for it yet, actually. Even if you don't want it, I hope you still participate in the discussion. :)


I looked at the "Silmarillion Project", and it seems that the analysis of a chapter is knitting together sequential quotes from the chapter with relevant comments, so that it summarizes the events and their meaning. Is that what we do?

Cheers, Nurv

[Lizra]

Nah...Tom's my man! :) I like the early chapters, Bree and before. This will work out good, Rian can do all the hard work, and I can add my two cents worth afterwards, if I am so moved! ;) Perfect! :D

[Earniel]

Originally posted by Bombadillo
I'd be glad to take Book III ch. 4: "Treebeard" and/or Book III ch. 8&9 "The Road to Isengard" and "Flotsam and Jetsam". I hope we can do two, but if not I'd prefer 8 and 9.
In other words, Eärniel or anyone, you could still take "Treebeard" if you want it more than me. :)
No, it's alright, :) I already grabbed two chapters. Mustn't be too greedy or I might having to hand them over for reassigning before I am even aware of it. But you can bet I will be joining the discussion on the Treebeard chapter. ;)

Originally posted by azalea
Also, you can trade sections, or give one of yours to someone that doesn't have one and wants to do one (I anticipate some newbies will come in during the course of the project), but you just need to LET ME KNOW so that we have an accurate listing.
Well then, speaking in the hypothesis that the chapters get filled out pretty fast (as they seem to be doing now) and somebody finds himself without a chapter at all -I'll say it now already- I am prepared to give one of my claimed prizes up. (But not both, you'd understand)

[Artanis]

Originally posted by Nurvingiel
I looked at the "Silmarillion Project", and it seems that the analysis of a chapter is knitting together sequential quotes from the chapter with relevant comments, so that it summarizes the events and their meaning. Is that what we do? I think we should make the intros more simple and short. The intros in the Sil project are very long and - imo - sometimes likely to scare people away.

[Nurvingiel]

Fair enough Artanis. I have no idea how to go about this really, so my mind is a blank slate. (I very large blank slate, mind you. :D)
How do you think we should write our analyses?

[brownjenkins]

on second thought... i'd like to try 13. Book II, ch. 5&6: The Bridge of Khazad-dum and Lothlorien if it's still up for grabs

second choice: 11. Book II, ch. 3: The Ring Goes South

preferably not both as they are so close together ;)

[Tuor of Gondolin]

Originally posted by Nurvingiel
How do you think we should write our analyses?
______________________________
Mine's going to be a bit longish, if that's alright, incorporating bits of the four guidelines of Azalea's, (and showing off a bit?), and with only one direct allusion to the nassty, mean, fat hobbit. I've already started it, don't make me put in a reference to poor misunderstood Smeagol! Remember, he's got powerful friends now (even if the nine doofuses can't catch four clueless hobbits)! Allright, three clueless and one intellectual hobbit.

[Nurvingiel]

Originally posted by Tuor of Gondolin
Mine's going to be a bit longish, if that's alright, incorporating bits of the four guidelines of Azalea's, (and showing off a bit?), and with only one direct allusion to the nassty, mean, fat hobbit. I've already started it, don't make me put in a reference to poor misunderstood Smeagol! Remember, he's got powerful friends now (even if the nine doofuses can't catch four clueless hobbits)! Allright, three clueless and one intellectual hobbit.
You know, I should be fine by just using Azalea's guidelines. I won't worry, I just really want to do a good job! :D
I don't mind reading a long discussion, especially about Tolkien.

[azalea]

Originally posted by Nurvingiel
Fair enough Artanis. I have no idea how to go about this really, so my mind is a blank slate. (I very large blank slate, mind you. :D)
How do you think we should write our analyses?

I detailed how the intros should be done in the first post in this thread (I know it was a long post, but it does have some good info!:p ). That should answer your question. It seems that several people didn't actually read it, from some of the responses I've been getting!;) If you'd like more info, you can ask about specifics, or PM me.
Don't worry guys, if no one takes the first one, I'll do that instead of The Pyre of Denethor and The Houses of Healing. It will be a bit different than the ensuing intros since it's not part of the narrative, but it'll get us started, and maybe give people some idea of how to do an intro, as I know a lot of you haven't done one for the Silm project.
FYI, the Silm project intros kind of varied from member to member. I tried to post the guidelines to make this one more uniform (and a bit easier, IMO). As Artanis said, those lengthy ones in the Silm project are fine for that project, but more necessary there because of the subject matter. Here they can be simpler and more understated, while still providing the fodder for discussion that we need.:cool:

[azalea]

Originally posted by Nurvingiel
You know, I should be fine by just using Azalea's guidelines. I won't worry, I just really want to do a good job! :D
I don't mind reading a long discussion, especially about Tolkien.

Oops, cross post.
Don't worry, you'll do fine! Trust me, whatever you might leave out, you can be sure the rest of us will bring it up for discussion! We won't care how lame an intro is, we just want to discuss the chapters.:D

Edit: Yea, Brownjenkins, glad you're going for it!:)

[Artanis]

Originally posted by azalea
I detailed how the intros should be done in the first post in this thread (I know it was a long post, but it does have some good info!:p ).Oopps! Your guidelines escaped me! And that's a shame, for they were good!

[crickhollow]

I can't believe i missed this thread :eek:, though I knew it was on its way. This is terrific!

Can I have either Chapters 2&3 or chapters 9 & 10 of Book V?

[azalea]

I had asked for a boardwide announcement about it, but I think the admins are preoccupied.:p
I put you down for Book V, ch. 2&3. If you want the other one, let me know, and it's yours if no one else has claimed it by then.:)

[crickhollow]

schpanks. :D

[Fat middle]

Originally posted by azalea
I had asked for a boardwide announcement about it, but I think the admins are preoccupied.:p
I put you down for Book V, ch. 2&3. If you want the other one, let me know, and it's yours if no one else has claimed it by then.:)

zorry. I forgot. :rolleyes: Cannot now. Later.

BTW, could you please, write the text you want? ;)

[azalea]

Originally posted by Fat middle
zorry. I forgot. :rolleyes: Cannot now. Later.

BTW, could you please, write the text you want? ;)

I did -- it's in the mod forum.:p ;)
Just say "A project has started in the Lord of the Rings books forum. We will be discussing the book in detail, chapter by chapter (similar to the Silmarillion project). Please see the thread in that forum for details, and sign up to introduce a chapter, if you want to."
I would say leaving it up for a week would be long enough.

BTW, I forgot to mention the mechanics of it for those not involved in the other project. What we do is on the day your chapter is due, you start a new thread for it, titled something like "LotR discussion: Book 3, ch. 3&4" or whatever it is. Then I will stick it to the top of the forum for two weeks. Then I'll release it when the next section is due, but people can still make comments in it if they wish.

[jerseydevil]

Yes - I still want to do it and I'll do those chapters.

[azalea]

Great! I'll edit the assignment post to reflect that.
Now- Valandil asked if a map might be included, something about there being one in the Silm forum. Valandil, could you detail that again? I forgot exactly what it was, but it sounded like a great idea.:) And when he does that, maybe someone here would be able to post it for us.

[Nurvingiel]

JD's our go-to guy for hosting images. :) But we wouldn't want to impose...

Glad you're on board JD! This project is so exciting.

So who wants to do the forward? Would you care to do the honours Azalea?

[azalea]

If no one has taken it by tomorrow evening, I'll take that as one of mine instead of section 32.
At this point, we have (aside from section 1) all the sections taken for the first few months, which is good, and only two (aside from section 1) not taken in the first three books. That's fine if they're not all assigned by the time the project starts, because it'll leave some for latecomers, and if one isn't assigned by the time the section before it is posted, I'm sure we'll have plenty of people willing to do the intro. I know I certainly wouldn't mind.:)\

Edit: Thanks to whoever made the "assigned tos" a different color than the chapters, that was a good idea.:)

[Earniel]

There are enough maps of Middle-earth on the internet already, I don't think we'll have to put it on a website of our own to use it for the project. We can just link to some like these:

Middle Earth map (http://thereandbackagain.xigroup.com/maps/map_lotr.gif)

Another map of Middle-earth (http://www.angelfire.com/film/rings/images/map.JPG)

And a third one for good measure (http://www.jrrtolkien.org.uk/Images/BwWholeMap.jpg)

[Valandil]

Originally posted by Eärniel
There are enough maps of Middle-earth on the internet already, I don't think we'll have to put it on a website of our own to use it for the project. We can just link to some like these:

Middle Earth map (http://thereandbackagain.xigroup.com/maps/map_lotr.gif)

Another map of Middle-earth (http://www.angelfire.com/film/rings/images/map.JPG)

And a third one for good measure (http://www.jrrtolkien.org.uk/Images/BwWholeMap.jpg)

Are there any that show the progress of the characters, chapter-by-chapter? THAT was the kind of thing I was hoping we could do, to supplement our discussion! :)

[Valandil]

Azalea,

I've emailed Dunedain about this project. He said he wasn't able to come to the boards for a bit longer, but definitely wanted to do something. Can I ask for these for him tentatively and let him confirm? Or do you want all requests made first-hand?

33. Book V, ch. 9&10: The Last Debate and The Black Gate Opens

36. Book VI, ch. 4&5: The Field of Cormallen and The Steward and the King

[crickhollow]

I got your PM, Valandil, so Azalea, go ahead and put Dunedain down for The Passing of the Grey Company and the Muster of Rohan, and put me down for The Last Debate and The Black Gate Opens:)

[azalea]

I'll be happy to do that, Crickhollow, but I want to say, as my co-moderator in this forum, feel free to go into that post and edit it to reflect new assignments if you want to.:)

[Earniel]

Originally posted by Valandil
Are there any that show the progress of the characters, chapter-by-chapter? THAT was the kind of thing I was hoping we could do, to supplement our discussion! :)

Ah, you mean like a map that shows the road the Fellowship is following and how far they are each chapter. I don't know if we can find anything like that. That is, I haven't looked yet.

[Nurvingiel]

Each person could update the map as they finish a chapter. We could all save one of the maps Valandil posted to our computers, then edit them in paint, outlining their progress to our chapter.
As each chapter goes up, we'd have a new map to add to.
Then we could start a website for the sole purpose of hosting the images. I will do this, I just need a good free webhost that isn't Bravenet - they stink at images.

[azalea]

That would be great, Nurvi!:) Thanks. Although, I'll need some step by step instructions to do what you're talking about. I understood some of it, but not all. I'm tech illiterate.:)

PS: Looks like I'm up to do section 1. That means The Pyre of Denethor and The Houses of Healing is up for grabs.:) I'll make the change in the assignment post. Meanwhile, start reading, everyone (if you're reading along, that is)! Your assignment: read the Foreword and the Prologue by next Friday. I'm actually going to TRY to get the intro posted before then, so we can get started, but I'll need at least a few days.

[Nurvingiel]

No worries Azalea, all you need to do this is moderate skill with a mouse. If anyone needs detailed instructions on how to do things in Microsoft Paint (the drawing program that comes with Windows), you can PM me.

1. save a map onto you computer (follow one of Vals links, right click on the picture, save it)
2. open the map in Microsoft Paint, and use the paint brush tool to draw the path the characters took. (Your mouse contols a little "paintbrush" the paints onto the image.)
3. save the map. now it's the same map, but with the journey added to it. you might save it as map-ch1 if you have the first chapter etc.
4. the next person opens map-ch1, adds the new paths of the characters, and saves it as map-ch2.

I'll add more later, I have some more ideas, but it's time to go watch Babylon 5! :)

[Valandil]

Just to 'give credit where due'... those were Eärniel's links! :)

[Artanis]

Maps are a good idea, the only thing is that I don't use Paint. In fact I don't use any Gatesware at all. But I suppose Paint is using a portable format like gif or jpg, so it should be ok.

[Earniel]

Thanks Val. :)

If you want to make a website for hosting the maps, Nurvingiel, you maybe can try yahoo's geocities. I've used them once or twice before and I haven't had any problems with pictures yet. Maybe we should make the password of the website available to all the people who will write a chapter-introduction so they can upload the new map themselves. If not I volunteer to help you manage the maps.

Artanis, if you have other drawing-programs on computer that work with gif or jpeg and that can put lines on a drawing, I suppose you can use those too instead of Paint. That is I think so, I'm not really computer-learned.

[Artanis]

Originally posted by Eärniel
Artanis, if you have other drawing-programs on computer that work with gif or jpeg and that can put lines on a drawing, I suppose you can use those too instead of Paint. That is I think so, I'm not really computer-learned. I'm using Gimp, it works with jpeg, gif, tiff, bmp etc. I was just worried that Paint was using a non-portable format, but it seems not to be the case so there's no problem. :)

[Maegondowen]

I was wondering if there are still some chapters which no one has taken, yet. If so, which ones are still free?

[Valandil]

Originally posted by Maegondowen
I was wondering if there are still some chapters which no one has taken, yet. If so, which ones are still free?

See Azalea's second post... lists all assignments followed by who each is assigned to. I think there are about 7-8 at least still not spoken for.

I'm really hoping this whole project kicks a little more life back into the 'Books' forum... with maybe some carry-over into 'Middle-earth' and even 'Hobbit' forums! As 'Twista' has pointed out recently, it seems like everything to talk about has been talked about and the main stuff going on in those threads is trivia and other games. Maybe we can spark some 'new ideas'! :)

[brownjenkins]

Originally posted by azalea
PS: Looks like I'm up to do section 1. That means The Pyre of Denethor and The Houses of Healing is up for grabs.:) I'll make the change in the assignment post. Meanwhile, start reading, everyone (if you're reading along, that is)! Your assignment: read the Forward and the Prologue by next Friday. I'm actually going to TRY to get the intro posted before then, so we can get started, but I'll need at least a few days.

houses of the healing is one of my favs... i'll take these two as my second spot if still open :)

[Maegondowen]

See Azalea's second post... lists all assignments followed by who each is assigned to. I think there are about 7-8 at least still not spoken for.

Okay. Then I'm taking: 11. Book II, ch. 3: The Ring Goes South.

[Nurvingiel]

Welcome aboard Maegondowen (can I call you Meg? :D)! You chose a great chapter.

I'm sure this project will give the book forum a huge kick start!

[azalea]

Originally posted by Maegondowen
Okay. Then I'm taking: 11. Book II, ch. 3: The Ring Goes South.

Oh, goody! Welcome to our project! I think this means that all of Fellowship is taken.

Gaffer -- I think what we'll do is put at the top of each of the threads the following:
NOTE TO NEWBIES: Please be advised that these threads may contain spoilers, so if this is your first time reading the book, proceed through the discussion with caution. Thank you.:)

[BeardofPants]

I want: 24. Book IV, ch. 3&4: The Black Gate is Closed and Of Herbs and Stewed Rabbit, please.

[Finrod Felagund]

I'd like to take #37. Book VI, ch. 6&7: Many Partings and Homeward Bound

[azalea]

I had already put you down for number 40 -- do you want me to change that to 37? (And then later on, if we have no takers for 40, you can have it.)

[Tuor of Gondolin]

Azalea:

If all chapters are taken and then you find that someone wants one they could have my second chapter,
19. Book III, ch. 5: The White Rider.

[BeardofPants]

Originally posted by Nurvingiel
Each person could update the map as they finish a chapter.

It would be even better if we could just post them as images in the beginning of our discussion threads. Wish we could do images in the LOTR section. :(

[Nurvingiel]

If we hosted the images on a website, we could have a new map each chapter. That's what I meant when I said update (and what you're saying as well), that you would add to the previous chapter's map without deleting it.

[Finrod Felagund]

Originally posted by azalea
I had already put you down for number 40 -- do you want me to change that to 37? (And then later on, if we have no takers for 40, you can have it.)

Actually, that's a good idea...okay, put me down for 37, and I'll hope people aren't interested in 40...

[azalea]

*Pant, pant* Whew! It's finally up! I didn't get it up yesterday because I ended up sitting in a steamy bathroom with a croupy kid for a portion of the night on Wed., so I was just too darned tired to post on Entmoot yesterday.

I am embarrassed to say that I didn't foolow my own length guideline, because there is just way too much in the Prologue to get it in one post (plus I ended up including that Note on the Text). So please let me say that I don't expect, nor do I encourage you to make similarly lengthy intros. I do want this to be simple and easy for those who have volunteered, with the bulk of the work being done by the whole group in terms of discussion. But I just found it too difficult to go by that when doing this section, and I hope it isn't too overwhelming. Likewise, I'll understand if your intro does end up being lengthy, because I know how it feels to want to include everything! But as I said there, I hope it won't be as much of an issue because of the structure of the story chapters (with the possible exceptions of Shadow of the Past and The Council of Elrond;) ).

Now go post!:D

PS -- I realized what I was doing re: my spelling. I was writing the word "forward" as in "let us go forward instead of back" rather than "foreword" as in a note that comes before a story.:rolleyes: I fixed it, though.:)

[Maedhros]

azalea, I had no idea that there was a LOTR project going on. If I hadn't chatted with SGH, I would have missed it.
I was wondering if there are any chapters available for me to do the intro?
Looking at the unassigned chapters, I would like to do this if possible:
35. Book VI, ch 2&3: The Land of Shadow and Mount Doom

[Valandil]

Originally posted by Maedhros
azalea, I had no idea that there was a LOTR project going on. If I hadn't chatted with SGH, I would have missed it.
I was wondering if there are any chapters available for me to do the intro?
Looking at the unassigned chapters, I would like to do this if possible:
35. Book VI, ch 2&3: The Land of Shadow and Mount Doom

Wow... someone finally claimed the climactic moment of the whole story!!! :D

[azalea]

Originally posted by Maedhros
azalea, I had no idea that there was a LOTR project going on. If I hadn't chatted with SGH, I would have missed it.
I was wondering if there are any chapters available for me to do the intro?
Looking at the unassigned chapters, I would like to do this if possible:
35. Book VI, ch 2&3: The Land of Shadow and Mount Doom

I'm sorry you weren't aware.:( There was a board-wide announcement up for a while.
You can have that section(I was surprised no one had chosen it yet!), and we are saying everyone may have two at this point, so if you want another one that's unassigned as of yet, just let me know.:)

[jerseydevil]

By the way Azalea - can we use the movie for this? :p :D

[cassiopeia]

Originally posted by jerseydevil
By the way Azalea - can we use the movie for this? :p :D

You know, we *could* do a movie discussion project in the movie forum. Each person could pick scenes to do. I take it you'd like to do the fords scene, JD? :D

[Valandil]

Originally posted by cassiopeia
You know, we *could* do a movie discussion project in the movie forum. Each person could pick scenes to do. I take it you'd like to do the fords scene, JD? :D

Yes, I was actually QUITE surprised JD didn't pick 'Flight to the Ford' for a book assignment! :p I wasn't gonna mention it, but since YOU did... ;)

[Tuor of Gondolin]

Originally posted by cassiopeia
You know, we *could* do a movie discussion project in the movie forum. Each person could pick scenes to do. I take it you'd like to do the fords scene, JD?
____________________________
If that ever happens I have to get "The Pyre Of Denethor"
(Gandalf beating up the Steward of Gondor- TWICE!). The stupidest change in the movies).:eek: :( :D


Almost as dumb as the five old men and women on the U.S. Supreme Court helping the Republicans steal the 2000 election.
And no, I'm not "over it.":mad: :mad: :mad:

[Valandil]

Originally posted by Tuor of Gondolin
Almost as dumb as the five old men and women on the U.S. Supreme Court helping the Republicans steal the 2000 election.
And no, I'm not "over it.":mad: :mad: :mad:

Fine... but please keep it in the proper forum and an appropriate thread. :)

[Linaewen]

Originally posted by Valandil
Yes, I was actually QUITE surprised JD didn't pick 'Flight to the Ford' for a book assignment! :p I wasn't gonna mention it, but since YOU did... ;)
I snatched it off him. :D I just had to be the one to discuss Arwen's heroic deeds in the book. (And also that brilliant line). 'If you want him, come and claim him!'. Pure genius.

I'm so stupid Azalea. I only realised recently that when you were talking about discussing a book that I've already read- you meant THIS discussion, LotR. I'd waited for a while in the Literature forum, wondering what book you were talking about. :rolleyes: :D

[cassiopeia]

I can't to see it, Lin. Should be very interesting.

So, who gets the part in the ROTK where Frodo sends Sam home? ;)

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by Linaewen
I snatched it off him. :D I just had to be the one to discuss Arwen's heroism in the book. (And also that brilliant line). 'If you want him, come and claim him!'. Pure genius.
Actually I knew about the project before most people. I had chosen the ones I wanted - although I actually wanted everything from "The Shadow of the Past" to "A Conspiracy Unmasked". This is my favorite part of the book.

As for Arwen - don't think so - go to the movie forum. :evil:

[azalea]

*Hi ho, my ears are bleeding.:confused: Must be people talking about the movies in the book forum again.:rolleyes:* ;)

Lin -- sorry about that!:D I could have told you, I guess, but I thought it would be fun to make it a surprise for everyone.:cool:

[Linaewen]

Originally posted by azalea
*Hi ho, my ears are bleeding.:confused: Must be people talking about the movies in the book forum again.:rolleyes:* ;)

Lin -- sorry about that!:D I could have told you, I guess, but I thought it would be fun to make it a surprise for everyone.:cool:
Hmph. I was trying to provoke you, that's all. No genuine movie talk. ;)

Yeah, that's ok. It's not your fault I'm so stupid. :D My mind needs a bit of prodding sometimes...

[Dúnedain]

I haven't read this whole thread, but I wanted to thank Valandil for talking to Crick for me and I want to thank Crick for allowing me to have the Passing of the Grey Company Chapter :D

[Artanis]

Azalea, would it be a good idea to create a sub-forum for the LotR discussion threads, like it has been done for the Silmarillion project?

[azalea]

Yes, it would be a good idea.:D However, the admins have decided (for a couple of reasons) that if a subforum is created for it, it will not be at the present time. But it is a good idea.:)
(Sorry I haven't been on the past few days, everyone. I have been very busy.)

[Last Child of Ungoliant]

i suppose it is too late
to ask for a chapter?

i have joined in with the discussion of the first chapter,
and thought it would be good to get in on the act too.

i am too late, though, aren't I?

[Earniel]

Judging by the list of chapters on the first page of this thread, you're not too late yet. :) There are still some chapters open. But they're later chapters, so it may take a while before they get discussed. But see for yourself.

[Last Child of Ungoliant]

well in that case,
could i request:

40. Appendix A2&3: The House of Eorl and Durin’s Folk

[azalea]

Done. Glad to have you aboard!

Jerseydevil -- I haven't heard from you, so I hope you'll be ready to post the chapter 2 intro tomorrow.:o

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by azalea
Done. Glad to have you aboard!

Jerseydevil -- I haven't heard from you, so I hope you'll be ready to post the chapter 2 intro tomorrow.:o
I'm preparing. I've been thinking about what to write.

[Last Child of Ungoliant]

Just out of interest,
is there going to be a hobbit discussion project after
we have done the LOTR one?
as i would very much like to get in on that if there is

[Maedhros]

azalea, I think that you might want to re assing my chapter to someone else. After the Sil Project discussion is finished, I will fade from Entmoot.
My job is finished, I wanted to create an exchange of ideas in the Tolkien books and it seems that I have done that. Unfortunately for me, I can't in good faith stand the current stand of the Silmarillion project. The apathy of the members is just killing me.

Hopefully after the LOTR project a Hobbit one could come next. Good luck and have a pleasant discussion.

[jerseydevil]

Well I'd take it if you don't want it - but if you change your mind you can have it back.

Sorry to see you go, although I don't post much or have much contact with you.

[azalea]

Originally posted by Maedhros
azalea, I think that you might want to re assing my chapter to someone else. After the Sil Project discussion is finished, I will fade from Entmoot.
My job is finished, I wanted to create an exchange of ideas in the Tolkien books and it seems that I have done that. Unfortunately for me, I can't in good faith stand the current stand of the Silmarillion project. The apathy of the members is just killing me.

Hopefully after the LOTR project a Hobbit one could come next. Good luck and have a pleasant discussion.

I am so sorry to hear this.:( You are such a great member who adds so much to the discussions. Please don't think that because people don't post they aren't reading what is posted by others and learning that way. I do plan to go and post in the new chapter that is up for the Silm project, but with all the Easter events I've been doing this week, I haven't had time to look at any forums but the two I moderate, and not even at all the threads there:o .
I will take your name off the list if you wish, but I hope by the time it is up for discussion, you'll have changed your mind and come back.
JD, I'm going to stick with the "two per person" guideline still, in case more members come and want to do one (like LCU just did). The section he signed up for is still far off in time, so we'll certainly have more by then.
LCU, a Hobbit discussion would be fun, but right now we have just started this one, and the Silmarillion project in that forum is still going on, so if it were to happen, it would probably be many months from now. In the meantime, go look at the new chapter posted in that discussion, and add your thoughts. Don't worry, they won't bite! ;) :D

[brownjenkins]

Originally posted by Maedhros
azalea, I think that you might want to re assing my chapter to someone else. After the Sil Project discussion is finished, I will fade from Entmoot.
My job is finished, I wanted to create an exchange of ideas in the Tolkien books and it seems that I have done that. Unfortunately for me, I can't in good faith stand the current stand of the Silmarillion project. The apathy of the members is just killing me.

Hopefully after the LOTR project a Hobbit one could come next. Good luck and have a pleasant discussion.

i for one read the sil posts frequently... i even have delved into the old ones... yeah, i have too much free time at work ;)

i haven't jumped in because i was a bit late in the game and was also afraid i'd get too involved... i don't have that much free time at work :p

i hope you continue to contribute as you can... your comments are appreciated, though it may not always be apparent :)

[Last Child of Ungoliant]

as my only chapter isnt till right at the end,
would it be permissible that i take a second one?
i will drop appendices if i have to...

if permissible, can i take the uruk-hai aswell, please?

17. Book III, ch. 3: The Uruk-hai

[jerseydevil]

Azalea. I've gotten tied up working on my website. I'm going to have to get the chapter in on Sunday. It might be done tomorrow - but I just can't finish it tonight. Just to let everyone know.

[azalea]

No problem, JD. Just PM me when you get it posted so I can "stick it.":) (Confession -- I still have ten pages to read anyway! :o :o)

LCU: yes, that would be fine. We had said two sections per person at this point, so you can have that one, too. It happens to be one of my favorites.:cool: :cool: :cool:

[Nurvingiel]

Originally posted by jerseydevil
Azalea. I've gotten tied up working on my website. I'm going to have to get the chapter in on Sunday. It might be done tomorrow - but I just can't finish it tonight. Just to let everyone know.
I'm sure we can give you an extension on that.
*looks at the 4 assignments for which she has gotten an extension*
Eep! :eek:

[brownjenkins]

Originally posted by jerseydevil
Azalea. I've gotten tied up working on my website. I'm going to have to get the chapter in on Sunday. It might be done tomorrow - but I just can't finish it tonight. Just to let everyone know.

mark him down one letter-grade azalea ;)

[azalea]

Stay on your toes, everyone -- don't leave! JD has informed me that part of the intro is done, and that he'll be posting it very soon.:)

[jerseydevil]

Okay - sorry for the delay, but anyway "The Shadow of the Past" is finally out there. Thanks for people's patience, even though I saw people giving me a hard time in General Mesages. :p

I suppose I better start on the other two chapters now. :p I don't think they will be as long because they're not as controversial as Chapter 2 is.

[azalea]

Great! It's now stuck at the top, and I'll be posting there soon. (I can't post too much right now, because I twisted my wrist, and it's difficult to type). I'll post the due date for the next section, and remind everyone of when they need to have it read in the "reading along" thread.

[mithrand1r]

Originally posted by azalea
1. Foreword and Prologue – due March 12th (at the latest) -- assigned to Azalea
2. Book I, ch. 1: A Long Expected Party -- assigned to Cassiopeia DUE MARCH 26
3. Book I, ch. 2: The Shadow of the Past – assigned to Jerseydevil DUE APRIL 9(posted on April 17)
4. Book I, ch. 3&4: Three is Company and A Shortcut to Mushrooms -- assigned to Tuor of Gondolin DUE APRIL 30
5. Book I, ch. 5&6: A Conspiracy Unmasked and The Old Forest – assigned to Jerseydevil
6. Book I, ch. 7&8: In the House of Tom Bombadil and Fog on the Barrow Downs -- assigned to Rian
7. Book I, ch. 9&10: At the Sign of the Prancing Pony and Strider -- assigned to Fat Middle
8. Book I, ch. 11&12: A Knife in the Dark and Flight to the Ford -- assigned to Linaewen
9. Book II, ch. 1: Many Meetings -- assigned to Nurvingiel
10. Book II, ch. 2: The Council of Elrond -- assigned to Finrod Felagund
11. Book II, ch. 3: The Ring Goes South -- assigned to Maegondowen
12. Book II, ch. 4: A Journey in the Dark -- assigned to Earniel
13. Book II, ch. 5&6: The Bridge of Khazad-dum and Lothlorien -- assigned to Brownjenkins
14. Book II ch. 7&8: The Mirror of Galadriel and Farewell to Lorien -- assigned to Artanis
15. Book II, ch. 9&10: The Great River and The Breaking of the Fellowship -- assigned to Luinilwen
16. Book III, ch. 1&2: The Departure of Boromir and The Riders of Rohan -- assigned to Forkbeard
17. Book III, ch. 3: The Uruk-hai -- assigned to Last Child of Ungoliant
18. Book III, ch. 4: Treebeard -- assigned to Bombadillo
19. Book III, ch. 5: The White Rider -- assigned to Tuor of Gondolin
20. Book III, ch. 6&7: The King of the Golden Hall and Helm’s Deep -- assigned to Earniel
21. Book III, ch. 8&9: The Road to Isengard and Flotsam and Jetsam -- assigned to Bombadillo
22. Book III, ch. 10&11: The Voice of Saruman and The Palantir -- assigned to Linaewen and Radagast the Brown
23. Book IV, ch. 1&2: The Taming of Smeagol and The Passage of the Marshes
24. Book IV, ch. 3&4: The Black Gate is Closed and Of Herbs and Stewed Rabbit -- assigned to BeardofPants
25. Book IV, ch. 5&6: The Window on the West and The Forbidden Pool -- assigned to Artanis
26. Book IV, ch. 7&8: The Journey to the Crossroads and The Stairs of Cirith Ungol
27. Book IV, ch. 9&10: Shelob’s Lair and The Choices of Master Samwise – assigned to Azalea
28. Book V, ch. 1: Minas Tirith
29. Book V, ch. 2&3: The Passing of the Grey Company and The Muster of Rohan -- assigned to Dunedain
30. Book V, ch. 4: The Siege of Gondor
31. Book V, ch. 5&6: The Ride of the Rohirrim and The Battle of Pelennor Fields -- assigned to Falagar
32. Book V, ch. 7&8: The Pyre of Denethor and The Houses of Healing -- assigned to Brownjenkins
33. Book V, ch. 9&10: The Last Debate and The Black Gate Opens -- assigned to Crickhollow
34. Book VI, ch. 1: The Tower of Cirith Ungol -- assigned to Cassiopeia
35. Book VI, ch 2&3: The Land of Shadow and Mount Doom -- assigned to Maedhros
36. Book VI, ch. 4&5: The Field of Cormallen and The Steward and the King -- assigned to Dunedain
37. Book VI, ch. 6&7: Many Partings and Homeward Bound -- assigned to Finrod Felagund
38. Book VI, ch. 8&9: The Scouring of the Shire and The Grey Havens -- assigned to Nurvingiel
39. Appendix A.1: The Numenorian Kings -- assigned to Valandil
40. Appendix A2&3: The House of Eorl and Durin’s Folk -- assigned to Last Child of Ungoliant
41. Appendices B&D: The Tale of Years and Calendars -- assigned to Valandil
42. Appendices E&F: Writing and Spelling and The Languages and Peoples of the Third Age/ On Translation (slated to be posted about 84 weeks after the first section) -- assigned to Forkbeard

Just a thought (I am not sure if it was mentioned anywhere in the thread)

I think it would be a good idea if you made the chapters Linked to the chapter reviews. (ie 1 to 1, 2 to 2, etc.)

This way people can click the appropriate chapter to read the review and/or comment on the review.

[azalea]

That's a good idea. I'll start doing it, but I don't have time right this minute to do it for the previous chapters. I'll get to it soon, though.

[azalea]

Tuor of Gondolin:
Just a reminder that your intro for section 4 of the LotR project is due this Friday (the 30th). That is for Book 1, chapters 3&4. Please review the suggested format in the first post in the project discussion thread. If you are unable to post the intro, or cannot get it done by Friday, please let me know. Also, when you do post it, PM me so I can stick it at the top of the forum. Thanks for volunteering!

[To everyone -- I'm sorry I haven't been active much here this week. Everyone in my family has been going through a stomach flu but me (EDIT: correction -- I got it, too! :( ), so I've been taking care of them. Also I've had some other important real life stuff going on (major car stuff, neighborhood stuff), so that has limited my moot time.]

[jerseydevil]

Azalea - can you move my due date to April 20th. My father is coming out unexpectedly and in addition I have a ton of events this week I have to go to. May 17th is when my schedule finally opens up.

[Valandil]

Originally posted by jerseydevil
Azalea - can you move my due date to April 20th. My father is coming out unexpectedly and in addition I have a ton of events this week I have to go to. May 17th is when my schedule finally opens up.

I think he means May 20th ;) ... but I'll second that! Then maybe I can catch up on the reading for it (either that or just procrastinate for a bit longer! :p ).

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by Valandil
I think he means May 20th ;) ... but I'll second that! Then maybe I can catch up on the reading for it (either that or just procrastinate for a bit longer! :p ).
Yeah - I mean MAY 20th. :) I'm not asking for a YEAR extenstion on it. It's been a little busy here. My father is coming out - I have a press event on Friday for the grand opening of Cape Liberty Cruise Port (http://www.royalcaribbean.com/findacruise/ports/group/home.do?portType=DEPART&portCode=BYE) and the sailing of Royal Carribean's Voyager of the Seas and Empress of the Seas from Bayonne NJ and then Saturday a press conference with Congressman Rush Holt at Princeton Battlefield and then on Monday I have a meeting with someone who is going to help me with trying make some money off of my website. My father doesn't even go back until Sunday and I have to see if I can get him into the Royal Carribean event and luncheon for Friday. This doesn't even include all the stuff I have been doing for the past week.

[azalea]

Yes, that's fine. And it will work out well for me, too -- Like Valandil, I am still behind. :o I'm finishing ch. 4, so the extra week will give me time to get 5&6 read as well. Thanks for letting me know, and good luck with all your stuff this week!

(Incidentally, I've found 3&4 to be much quicker in terms of notetaking, I guess because of the action vs. exposition, so I should be caught up soon!:) )

[Valandil]

Does anyone know if JD is going to be posting the next couple chapters anytime soon? I'm actually excited because I got caught up in the reading on Saturday... so I'm all set to go! :D

[Tuor of Gondolin]

I imagine he's too busy fighting the neocons battle for
Truth! Justice! And the American way!

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by Valandil
Does anyone know if JD is going to be posting the next couple chapters anytime soon? I'm actually excited because I got caught up in the reading on Saturday... so I'm all set to go! :D
Sorry - I was in Canada - so it will have to be this week.

Thanks T of G - I'll take your comment as a compliment. I will continute to defend my great country.

[mithrand1r]

Originally posted by jerseydevil
Sorry - I was in Canada - so it will have to be this week.

So we can just "Blame Canada . . ." ;) (j/k)

Originally posted by jerseydevil
Thanks T of G - I'll take your comment as a compliment. I will continute to defend my great country.

I actually thought the Neoconservatives were into invading other areas/countries to promote their ideas. ;)

The American way (IMO) is more Liberty and Justice for all.

I look forward to your review Jerseydevil.

[Earniel]

Not that I'm trying to push anyone or something like that but, um, when is chapter 5 forthcoming? *impatient wiggle* ;)

[azalea]

I just so happened to give JD a poke yesterday, and he said to tell everyone sorry for the long delay and that he'd have something up ASAP.

[Valandil]

Keep wigglin' Eärniel! ;)

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by Valandil
Keep wigglin' Eärniel! ;)
I will do it TONIGHT. :) I promise. :) Cross my heart. :)

You just can't kill me if I don't

[Valandil]

Originally posted by jerseydevil
I will do it TONIGHT. :) I promise. :) Cross my heart. :)

You just can't kill me if I don't

Oh, no prob... just watchin Eärni! :p

[mithrand1r]

Originally posted by jerseydevil
I will do it TONIGHT. :) I promise. :) Cross my heart. :)

You just can't kill me if I don't


We'll just send a swarm of cicada to your house.
(Oh wait a minute, there already is a swarm in your neck of the woods ;))

I can hear them every day from work.

[Beren3000]

azalea, it appears that "The Siege of Gondor" doesn't have anyone assigned to it. But, then again, you could be too busy to update the assignments list. Anyway, if it's not taken yet can you please sign me up for it?

[Elvengirl]

Originally posted by jerseydevil
I will do it TONIGHT. :) I promise. :) Cross my heart. :)

You just can't kill me if I don't
Oh yea? ;)

*awaits eagerly* :)

[azalea]

You're in, Beren3000.:)

[Beren3000]

Thanks!:)

[Earniel]

Originally posted by Valandil
Keep wigglin' Eärniel! ;)
Originally posted by Valandil
Oh, no prob... just watchin Eärni! :p

:eek:

From where?

*starts looking around for camera's*

None?

Okay.

*wiggle, wiggle*

;)

[Tuor of Gondolin]

[OFF TOPIC FLAME-BAIT DELETED]

There is no place in the Tolkien forums for such remarks.



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[Tuor of Gondolin]

Azalea:

I will not be doing assignment #19.
Book III, ch. 5: The White Rider.

Good-bye.

[jerseydevil]

I want to make an announcement. I am sorry that this is late. No one here lives my life or knows what I am doing. Yeah - you see me posting in the politcal threads - that's great. On Tuesday I was preparing to put the stuff up - but believe me - after the day I had then - no one would have wanted to see what I had to say. I felt it better to hold off.

If people are so pissed off with this being late - you can PM me. I am sorry - but I have a life, contrary to some people's opinions on this board.

[Valandil]

No problem JD... post as you're able. :) Anything from me has only been intended as playful chiding and expectant antici...







...pation! ;) :p

We look forward to your post whenever you're best able to get it up. If we tease you a bit because it's late... well, you'll just have to live with that maybe! :D

You did a great job with the other though, and I'm sure you'll do as well with this one. Don't take any of this to heart... I don't think anyone is seriously p-o'd.

[mithrand1r]

Azalea:

If there is no line of people waiting, I would like to do assignment #19.
Book III, ch. 5: The White Rider.


If Tuor of Gondolin has a change of heart, then I do not wish to take this away from Tuor.

[Earniel]

Was it something I said? :( I better refrain from trying to joke off topic in the future.

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by Eärniel
Was it something I said? :( I better refrain from trying to joke off topic in the future.
No - it had nothing to do with you. And I know who is joking around and who is serious. So it was nothing with you Eärniel.

[Nurvingiel]

Are we going to get our own sub-forum on this or what? I can see the future and it is cluttered... ;)

Admins have had a nice long break from making sub forums, how about another one? :D

Anyway, sorry I haven't been participating very much, I'm giantly busy, and on those few days when I'm actually in town, and not in the middle of a forest somewhere, I have limited computer access at our (awesome) local library.

Cheerio! Nurv

[brownjenkins]

Originally posted by jerseydevil
If people are so pissed off with this being late - you can PM me. I am sorry - but I have a life, contrary to some people's opinions on this board.

no problem... glad i didn't miss it!

[azalea]

Hi, everyone -- I'm back from my trip!

Mithrandir, I gave you that section, but if T of G comes back, I'll let him know he can have it back, as you said. We do happen to have a couple of other sections still open if you'd like a second one.

JD -- I'll say again that I certainly understand how busy things can get, and although we all eagerly await the next discussion thread, I said in the beginning I wanted flexibility, so there is no problem. I hope things calm down for you soon (and for me, too! My latest is ants in the dishwasher :( ).

[Maedhros]

azalea, please erase my name from the list. I have no wish to participate in the discussion. I will be leaving this forum after the Euro 2004/Silmarillion Project.

This is an interesting idea that you might try. There is another forum which is having a discussion of the LOTR. The problem that arises from the format currently in use in Entmoot is the fact that there will always be problems with people to post their intros at the selected date.
What they have done, and it appears to be working, is that a moderator post a very brief intro, and then the discussion begins. It has worked considerably well for the time being.

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by azalea
JD -- I'll say again that I certainly understand how busy things can get, and although we all eagerly await the next discussion thread, I said in the beginning I wanted flexibility, so there is no problem. I hope things calm down for you soon (and for me, too! My latest is ants in the dishwasher :( ).
I am going to have it done tonight.

[brownjenkins]

when it rolls around i'll do mine early to help catch up ;)

[azalea]

Originally posted by Maedhros
azalea, please erase my name from the list. I have no wish to participate in the discussion. I will be leaving this forum after the Euro 2004/Silmarillion Project.

This is an interesting idea that you might try. There is another forum which is having a discussion of the LOTR. The problem that arises from the format currently in use in Entmoot is the fact that there will always be problems with people to post their intros at the selected date.
What they have done, and it appears to be working, is that a moderator post a very brief intro, and then the discussion begins. It has worked considerably well for the time being.

I erased your name -- sorry to see you go. :(

I really like the idea you posted, but since the sections are already assigned, I don't want to disappoint people by changing it now. But it is a good thought for any future projects.

[Last Child of Ungoliant]

can someone let me know, either by mail or pm, when it is nearly time for my bit,
as i know i will only forget otherwise!!

[Artanis]

What about reassigning chapters when the original taker for some reason is unable to post at his/her due date? To keep the discussion going. Worked well in the Sil project.

[Valandil]

Originally posted by Artanis
What about reassigning chapters when the original taker for some reason is unable to post at his/her due date? To keep the discussion going. Worked well in the Sil project.

Agreed. All due respect Maedhros, but I like the shared involvement of various members to get the summaries posted. Plus, it would be a lot to expect of a moderator to make all the summaries.

[Rían]

And all due respect to JD, and I'm very sorry he's going thru some difficult times, but I think in consideration to everyone else, we need to get this going again. I'd be willing to take these two chapters, in addition to the next two (my original assignment), or I can switch with JD and hopefully things will be better with him by the time it's time for chapters 7 and 8.

[azalea]

I've already discussed that possibility with JD. Usually in the case of the Silmarillion project, the person had left altogether or would ask that someone else take it. In this case, JD is still here and still wants to do these chapters, so that is why we're just waiting. It seems from the post he made yesterday that we won't have much longer to wait. Thanks again for everyone's patience.:)

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by azalea
I've already discussed that possibility with JD. Usually in the case of the Silmarillion project, the person had left altogether or would ask that someone else take it. In this case, JD is still here and still wants to do these chapters, so that is why we're just waiting. It seems from the post he made yesterday that we won't have much longer to wait. Thanks again for everyone's patience.:)
It's up. People can post now. Sorry to make people wait.

[Valandil]

Thank you, JD. Nice work! :)

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by Valandil
Thank you, JD. Nice work! :)
Not as good as the other(s) ;) but it's okay i guess. Not really much insite or disucssion points in these chapters. I also don't particularly like Tom Bombadil and there is not really anything to discuss with the Old Forest - except maybe the imagery that Tolkien uses.

[Rían]

Originally posted by azalea
It seems from the post he made yesterday that we won't have much longer to wait. Oh, OK - I didn't see that post - and I see it's up now!

[azalea]

Yay! Thanks, JD! :)

Rian, I set your due date for July 8. I'll give you a reminder PM in about a week.

BTW, we had talked earlier about a map detailing their progress. Has anyone been able to come up with one, a map that showed the journey? If so, could we post one in the current thread, from Crickhollow to the Old Forest? (And maybe if you're feeling really into it, you could post one in the ch.3&4 thread of the journey from Bag End to Crickhollow.:) )

[Rían]

That date should work out fine, azalea :) Please PM me, tho, to remind me :o

I'm not good with maps, tho, so can't help you there.

[Valandil]

Originally posted by Nurvingiel
Are we going to get our own sub-forum on this or what?

Don't know if this signifies that, "It is time" or not... but the first thread just dropped off the 100-day old list.

[Nurvingiel]

I'd say it is time all right. We have about 8 threads going around right now and I wouldn't want to see some of the older ones getting dropped off the list. Though, we can count on cee2lee2 to bump them up for us. ;)

[cee2lee2]

Only the one time....I'm caught up now.:D

[Elanor the Fair]

Originally posted by azalea

BTW, we had talked earlier about a map detailing their progress. Has anyone been able to come up with one, a map that showed the journey? If so, could we post one in the current thread, from Crickhollow to the Old Forest? (And maybe if you're feeling really into it, you could post one in the ch.3&4 thread of the journey from Bag End to Crickhollow.:) )

Azalea,

I have book called "The Atlas of Middle Earth" (by Karen Wynn Fonstadd - printed 1981). It details every step of the journey from Hobbiton to Mt Doom via a series of detailed maps. The journey of the Fellowship is plotted on the maps with the dates included.

I don't know if anyone else has come up with a map for the discussion project. If it hasn't already been done, I could attempt to scan the relevant portions of the maps and post them in the appropriate chapters of the discussion project.

Please let me know if anyone is interested.

Elanor the Fair :)

[Valandil]

Originally posted by Elanor the Fair
I don't know if anyone else has come up with a map for the discussion project. If it hasn't already been done, I could attempt to scan the relevant portions of the maps and post them in the appropriate chapters of the discussion project.

Please let me know if anyone is interested.


Please do... that'd be great! :)

[Elanor the Fair]

I scanned the map, cropped it and tried to post it as an attachment, however, the file was too large and I couldn't get it any smaller without losing resolution. I am going to try something else later. I hope it works out!! :)

[Valandil]

Saw Fat Middle on a few days ago. Anyone know if he's due to get the next assignment posted in another week or so? :)

[Radagast The Brown]

Originally posted by Valandil
Saw Fat Middle on a few days ago. Anyone know if he's due to get the next assignment posted in another week or so? :) I think he might not be ready. I don't know what you saw - but he said two 2-3 weeks ago that he's going on a trip for 3 months. I doubt he'll post the next assignment on time - in 5 days. Maybe we should appointa volunteer?

[Artanis]

Originally posted by Valandil
Saw Fat Middle on a few days ago. Anyone know if he's due to get the next assignment posted in another week or so? :) FM is on a looooong vacation (oh, the envy! :rolleyes: :p) - I don't think he is aware that he should be doing the next chapter. When he was on a few days ago it was just for a quick peek.

[azalea]

His intro was due yesterday. I had PMed him last week as a reminder, but haven't heard from him. I'll try to contact him again, and if I haven't heard from him by Monday, I'll ask for a volunteer to do it, hopefully by Thurday the 29th. I can do it if no one else can. Thanks for your patience, guys. :)
In the meantime, be reading those chapters if you haven't already.

[Fat middle]

His intro was due yesterday. I had PMed him last week as a reminder, but haven't heard from him. I'll try to contact him again, and if I haven't heard from him by Monday, I'll ask for a volunteer to do it, hopefully by Thurday the 29th. I can do it if no one else can. Thanks for your patience, guys. :)
In the meantime, be reading those chapters if you haven't already.

Did you say Monday? :p I'm back at home now and even at work :mad: (for the envious one: this smily is not mad enough to express my current state of mind :p)

I'll try to have it post on 29th. Sorry for the delay, azalea.

[Fat middle]

I think he might not be ready. I don't know what you saw - but he said two 2-3 weeks ago that he's going on a trip for 3 months. I doubt he'll post the next assignment on time - in 5 days. Maybe we should appointa volunteer?

Did I said three months? :o I meant three weeks, although I surely desired three months...

[azalea]

Did you say Monday? :p I'm back at home now and even at work :mad: (for the envious one: this smily is not mad enough to express my current state of mind :p)

I'll try to have it post on 29th. Sorry for the delay, azalea.

No problem! Glad to have you back! :)

[Beren3000]

So Fat Middle, when are you going to post the intro? (Sorry for the nagging, but I just can't wait :o)

[Fat middle]

So Fat Middle, when are you going to post the intro? (Sorry for the nagging, but I just can't wait :o)
No problem, Beren. It's my fault. I'm just cutting it a bit: I made it too long and didn't like it. I'll post whatever i have tomorrow evening.

[azalea]

Thanks to FM for doing ch.9&10! Chapters 11&12 will be due on Aug. 20, in case anyone is still reading along. Those chapters will be introduced by Linaewen (I hope :D).

[Elanor the Fair]

I'm still reading along!! I will also post some maps in the current chapters when I have a bit more time this weekend. I have a map of Bree and the Bree region as well as a plan view of The Prancing Pony.

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

Can I have The Taming of Smeagol and The Passage Of The Marshes please.

[azalea]

Done. Welcome to Entmoot and to our project!

Thanks for the maps, Elanor!

[Linaewen]

Thanks to FM for doing ch.9&10! Chapters 11&12 will be due on Aug. 20, in case anyone is still reading along. Those chapters will be introduced by Linaewen (I hope :D).
I haven't forgotten, but I may have to postpone my posting of it until the weekend at the earliest. Sorry, Zales! Just a bit busy now.

[azalea]

Ha, ha! I just now had sent you your PM reminder -- oh, well, that's fine. Just let me know. :)

[azalea]

Great job, Lin! :)
The new section is up, and I've added the due date of the next one to the list. That will be Sept. 2.

[Haradrim]

I was wondering if I could do Book 5 chapter 1 Minas Tirith. It doesn't appear to be taken. If it is just tell me. Thanks,
Haradrim

[Elanor the Fair]

If no-one has elected to do Book IV, ch. 7&8: The Journey to the Crossroads and The Stairs of Cirith Ungol, then I would be interested in doing the chapter summaries for these. Thank you.

[Beren3000]

Azalea, or anyone else who knows, can you please tell me how to make a thread "important" for when the time comes for me to post my intro?

[Artanis]

Beren, if you just give your thread a title 'The Lord of the Rings discussion ... " and then the admins (azalea) will make it an important, sticky thread for you. :)

[Beren3000]

Thanks :)

[azalea]

I have added your names, Haradrim and Elanor the Fair.
BTW, Valandil, you are welcome to edit that post if anyone else wants to add their name, in case I'm away from my computer again (although I think there are only a couple left -- correction: one!).

To those who I've added since the inception of the project -- be sure to read the first post in this thread (if you haven't already), detailing the project.

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

If no one else (who hasn't already got one!) then I'll do The Land of Shadow and Mount Doom.

[azalea]

I assigned it to you.
Now that all the sections have been assigned, I will ask that anyone who feels so inclined may offer one of his two sections to any new folks who may come along asking to do an intro. If not, that's fine, too. I just want to let you know that it might be nice to consider if that happens. Thanks, everyone!

[azalea]

Guess what? Ben has given us the go-ahead to create a subforum for the project! Yay! It'll hopefully be done by next week (we ents work slowly :) ).

[Haradrim]

YEAH! That's awesome. No thats super awesome! Thats super wackidilky falmobiantly stipendous ly aidashjkdfhqskjsdahkjsdhly awesome! yay

[Artanis]

That's great azalea. Thanks Ben! :)
Didn't know that you were an ent, azalea. You look like a flower to me. :D

[Fat middle]

That's great azalea. Thanks Ben! :)
Didn't know that you were an ent, azalea. You look like a flower to me. :D
Actually, she's an entwife ;)

[azalea]

Thank you, thank you, thank you, FM! Now we have a subforum, everyone!

[azalea]

HI, everyone! Nurvingiel has contacted me and will be unable to do her section (for the good reason that she is out of the country and doesn't have her LotR!) Thus, that section is up for grabs. First person to respond may do the intro for it if he/ she wants to. Please remember the guidelines on page one of this thread. Also, It would be great if you could get it up sometime between now and Monday. You may need to contact another mod or admin to stick it, because I may have to evacuate due to another stupid hurricane! :mad:

Note: the chapter is "Many Meetings."

[brownjenkins]

i can do if no one else signs up... but i think i've already got two, so give others priority

[azalea]

How about if I give it until tomorrow, to see if there's anyone who only has ONE (or NONE), and then if there are no takers, it'll be all yours! Thanks! :)

[brownjenkins]

no problem... probably would do over weekend anyway, so i'll check back later

[azalea]

No one else has responded, so it's all yours, Brownjenkins! Thanks for doing it, and just let me or Valandil know when it's posted.

[brownjenkins]

cool... i post it to this section and you make it sticky, right?

[Valandil]

That's correct. :)

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

So we post it in LotR books not the DP sub forum.

[Nurvingiel]

Thanks Brownie! *cries* I LOVE that chapter, but I know you'll do it justice. (No pressure ;) ) I'm looking forward to participating in the discussion at least. :)
Cheers!

EDIT: I noticed the new and exciting sub-forum for this fine discussion! :) Shouldn't all related threads like this one and Brownie's great summary of Many Meetings get punted over there?

[Nurvingiel]

*pokes thread*
Umm... guys? Hey guys..... let's discuss stuff! Actually, maybe it's better there's no activity. Must... study... :p

I will be ready for when 'The Scouring of the Shire' and 'The Grey Havens' comes up though. Will that be... about 10 months? :D

[Last Child of Ungoliant]

can someone poke me with a large stick when it is my turn?
i will forget otherwise

[azalea]

Doh! I've been gone and forgot to remind FF his chapter was due today! :O

I haven't seen him around this forum, so I don't think he knows it's due. I'll PM him now to remind him, and I hope he can get it done in a couple of days. Sorry guys. :(

[Nurvingiel]

*pokes Chrys with a large stick*
Oh, you mean when it is actually due.
*innocent whistling*

Don't worry Azalea, we still have plenty to talk about in 'Many Meetings' right guys? *poke*

Ooh, that reminded me of something from that chapter... see you in the discussion!

[brownjenkins]

Thanks Brownie! *cries* I LOVE that chapter, but I know you'll do it justice. (No pressure ;) ) I'm looking forward to participating in the discussion at least. :)
Cheers!

EDIT: I noticed the new and exciting sub-forum for this fine discussion! :) Shouldn't all related threads like this one and Brownie's great summary of Many Meetings get punted over there?

thank nurv :o

been too busy at work to post anything too indepth since writing that... but have been reading along... good stuff :D

[Finrod Felagund]

Sorry guys, totally didn't realize I was due...It'll be up by Saturday at the latest...

[azalea]

Thanks -- it was my fault, because I'm supposed to send a reminder PM, but because I wasn't at home, I didn't have time to moot. :o

[Finrod Felagund]

Hey guys, I know I said Saturday, but...I've been soooo busy...could you guys give me a day or two more? I would be eternally grateful...

[Nurvingiel]

Well, we don't have a lot of choice! :D Just kidding! Of course we don't mind. It's all good times. :)

[brownjenkins]

Hey guys, I know I said Saturday, but...I've been soooo busy...could you guys give me a day or two more? I would be eternally grateful...

that would be today, right? ;)

[BeardofPants]

Hurry up finrod, or I'll kick you where it hurts. :mad:

;)

[Valandil]

Great job Finrod... thanks for getting the chapter posted. I know it's gotta be some work... and my own contributions will be very late in the project. (keep telling myself to start now... but it IS a long way off! :p )

Azalea - I see that 'Maegondowen' is up next. She hasn't been on for a few months, so I emailed her and asked if she would still do it - and if she could have it by October 16 or so.

If we stay on schedule for a bit, maybe we can get Earniel posting 'A Journey in the Dark' right around Halloween!!! :eek:

[Nurvingiel]

Yeah, I'm glad the last 2 chapters are mine. I'll probably have time and a copy of ROTK that isn't overdue at the library. *eyes library book*

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

Great job Finrod. Luckily my first two installments are for a long while!

[Earniel]

If we stay on schedule for a bit, maybe we can get Earniel posting 'A Journey in the Dark' right around Halloween!!! :eek:

Mwahahahah!

*lighting*

*unearthly screams*

Um, I mean, okay. :D

[Valandil]

It's been almost a week since I emailed Maegondowen and I have not heard back.

Would someone else be interested in taking 'The Ring Goes South'? We would like to have it posted by October 16th.

[brownjenkins]

since i've got one coming up and one done recently i won't jump in on this... but feel free to have me as a 'last resort' anytime

just notify me via pm if needed at all throughout the project

[Forkbeard]

It's been almost a week since I emailed Maegondowen and I have not heard back.

Would someone else be interested in taking 'The Ring Goes South'? We would like to have it posted by October 16th.

I would be happy to, although I do have another coming up soonish--Bk III, ch. 1 and 2; so if someone else who only has one section wants two, a "newbie" wants to be involved RIGHT AWAY, give it to them. But if not, I'll do it.

FB

[Valandil]

I would be happy to, although I do have another coming up soonish--Bk III, ch. 1 and 2; so if someone else who only has one section wants two, a "newbie" wants to be involved RIGHT AWAY, give it to them. But if not, I'll do it.

FB

Why thank you FB! I don't see people standing in line, and there will probably be other 'fill-in' opportunities for others as we go along - so if you're really willing and have the time, please go ahead and take it!

At our pace, it may be awhile before we get to your next assignment. :)

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

Is that scheduled for tomorrow then?

[Forkbeard]

Is that scheduled for tomorrow then?


Barring unforeseen circumstances, yes. Might be Sunday, but prob not....

[azalea]

Thanks for keeping up with this, Valandil.
Forkbeard, just pm me when you have it ready and I'll stick it at the top, or you can pm any mod or admin.

[Earniel]

Next chapter: "A journey in the dark" has been added. I've already turned it 'sticky'. ;)

Sorry for the few days delay, I thought I was going to make it on time but I obviously miscalculated.

[azalea]

Great intro, Earniel! :)
Brownjenkins -- you're next! Just a heads up: your intro for the next section will be due on the 16th. Let me know if this will be a problem. Thanks!

[brownjenkins]

Great intro, Earniel! :)
Brownjenkins -- you're next! Just a heads up: your intro for the next section will be due on the 16th. Let me know if this will be a problem. Thanks!

:eek:

not a problem :)

[brownjenkins]

probably won't get this done tomorrow... worst case would be the 22nd (next monday)... but probably sooner

PM me if this is a problem... thanks :D

[brownjenkins]

ok, i lied ;)

soon, he says :D

[Earniel]

ok, i lied ;)

soon, he says :D
Nehheh... not a problem, he said. Worst case scenario is the 22nd, he said...:p

[Earniel]

*bumps*

Sooo... how soon is 'soon', BJ? :evil:

[Valandil]

Hmmm... yeah, it'd be nice to get it soon, if possible. But I like to cut brownjenkins a little slack - since he already did one 'extra' assignment in place of somebody else who bailed on us. :)

Besides... I'm starting to fall a few chapters behind in my reading... must... catch... UP! :o

[Earniel]

Oh, I wasn't presuring him, honest! *removes weight of BJ's back when Valandil isn't watching* ;) It was simply a totally honest inquiry about when we could expect the next chapter. I wasn't even saying anything about being over 10 days late, uh-uh, not me! :p

[Artanis]

And I thought I would be short of time for my chapters. :rolleyes: :p

If brownjenkins does not insist of doing his chapters, I'll volunteer as stand-in. And then I'll ask for a delay for my own chapters, since I will not be able to be here much during Christmas holiday.

[Valandil]

Thanks for the offer Artanis!

What do you think Azalea? Interesting that she offers this, because I was just noticing the situation. Brownjenkins was last on the board on 11-26. What would you suggest?

Artanis - if you DO take this assignment, would you want to offer your own to Mr Jenkins? Or is it something you really want to cover yourself (oh my - it's probably something to do with Lorien, isn't it?? :p ;) )??

[Artanis]

Artanis - if you DO take this assignment, would you want to offer your own to Mr Jenkins? Or is it something you really want to cover yourself (oh my - it's probably something to do with Lorien, isn't it?? :p ;) )??Yes please, I'd like to do the Lórien chapters myself, they are preciousss to me. :D And I have already prepared my intro for them. :)

[brownjenkins]

sorry for the loooooooooong wait all... was on vacation in aruba last week and just couldn't get the assignment done before with work and vacation prep... though i should have at least given a headsup

*fool of a BJ* :o

how 'bout i do the bridge chapter today... nothing to do other than laundry, so no excuse :p

if artanis wants to take first lorien as well that is fine... if not, i will do that monday

tell me what you think artanis

[Artanis]

Yay, he's back! :)
Aruba - you lucky man. :p
if artanis wants to take first lorien as well that is fine... if not, i will do that monday

tell me what you think artanisWhen I said the Lórien chapters in my previous post I meant those chapters that were originally assigned to me - The Mirror of Galadriel and Farewell to Lórien. The Lothlorien chapter is still yours if you want it. :)

[ItalianLegolas]

This is a great project azalea, and a reeeeeeealy long one too... if there is anything i can do to help let me know

[brownjenkins]

sounds good... i'll do that too but in a seperate post so as not to drag it out any longer ;)

[Nurvingiel]

IL, you are more than welcome to join in the discussions. :) Having another person's view will make the project even more interesting.

Hey Brownie, your summary of "The Bridge of Khazad-dum" was brilliance!

[azalea]

Hi, guys! Sorry I've been away for sooooo long, but real life was upon me in a big way. :( But I'm back as much as I can be during this busy time.

ItalianLegolas: Welcome to Entmoot! You are welcome to participate in any of the chapter discussions, both the current one AND the ones in the project subforum. At some point in time, we may have to reassign a section intro., which I'll post as being up for grabs, so if you're willing to do that when/ ifit happens -- great! :)

Valandil -- I can't thank you enough for keeping up with the project during my unannounced absence. :) Have you gotten a response to your PM to Brownie yet? If not, I'm going to email him. If we haven't gotten a response by Mon or Tue, I'll go ahead and reassign it to keep things moving. I'm sure he'll understand.

[Earniel]

Brownie posted his chapter during your absence, Zales. I think it's already on page 2 by now. :)

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

Yeah but he hasn't posted his Lothlorien intro yet.

[Valandil]

Psst... Earni! Brownie still owes us a bit more! :p

Yes azalea - sorry I didn't pass it along, but Mr Jenkins says that he will indeed be able to post the rest of his by Dec 21 - and Artanis will then post hers on Jan 4.

Again - no need to thank me. YOU did all the HARD work to set this up and get it going... I'm having to do VERY little by comparison to help you keep it going. :)

Heck... it's not HALF as hard as splittin' threads, eh Earni?? ;)

[Earniel]

Psst... Earni! Brownie still owes us a bit more! :p
Eh, since I only had one chapter I tend to think they all come single... But with having burried under homework as I have been the last week I think I have a legimate excuse. :p

I even hadn't had time to look at the new chapter. :(

Heck... it's not HALF as hard as splittin' threads, eh Earni?? ;)
Oh, definitely! I mean the copying of adresses and the clicking on options is just so demanding, isn't it, Val? ;)

[brownjenkins]

done!!

looks like i'm good for about a year now :D

[Valandil]

Thanks! :) And it was easy to be patient with you - especially since you had already covered for someone else.

You know - I had been thinking to keep it in the same thread as your other, but I'm thinking now it's best as a separate thread like you made it - so I'll leave it that way. I just figure since the discussion has gone as far as it did on the one chapter - people may not so much notice the additional material covered if we just add it into the same one. That OK with you, azalea?