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The Wizard from Milan
02-13-2005, 05:13 PM
Should Bilbo have given the ring back to Golloum?

If somebody founds something, he/she is not the proprietor of the thing. He/she should give it back in exchange for a percentage compensation. Do you agree? Does this rule apply here?

It looks like the rule is over-ruled by the fact that Bilbo becomes aware of the fact that Gollums intends to murder him before he becomes aware of the fact that Gollum is the proprietor of the ring. Do you agree?

Or is the goverining rule the fact that Smeagol did not get possesion of the ring in a legitimate way and that the descendants of the ligitimate proprietor are untraceable?

By the way, who is the legitimate proprietor? Deagol and his heirs? or Isildur and his heirs? Or is it Sauron?

Nurvingiel
02-13-2005, 05:45 PM
The Ring technically belongs to Sauron. But since he wanted to use it to enslave all of Middle-earth, I can't really blame Middle-earth citizens from hiding it from him and later destroying it.

Along similar lines, I think Bilbo was justified in keeping the Ring. Gollum was going to eat him if Bilbo had lost the riddle game, so he was understandably nervous about making himself visible again around him. Plus, he needed to stay invisible to get past the orcs guarding the gate. After that, he didn't have the chance to give it back to him.

Genealogy_dude
02-24-2005, 08:19 PM
Along similar lines, I think Bilbo was justified in keeping the Ring. Gollum was going to eat him if Bilbo had lost the riddle game, so he was understandably nervous about making himself visible again around him. Plus, he needed to stay invisible to get past the orcs guarding the gate. After that, he didn't have the chance to give it back to him. I agree. Plus, Sauron would have found it earlier. He would have gotten it when he tortured Gollum. Or before.