Whose fate would you change?

[Kellquenti]

I have asked this question before yet in a different way. If you were an all-powerful Valar and you could change the fate of any one Silmarillion character who would it be, and why? Would it be Feanor? Maedhros or any of his brothers? Maeglin? Eol? Finrod or even Morgorth himself? I know who I would choose!

[Beren3000]

Good idea for a thread! :)

I'd probably change the fate of Turin, no one deserves such a life!
According to my version, he would have slain Glaurung, he would not have married Nienor and he would not marry in honor of Finduilas' memory.

I'd also change Fëanor's fate: I'd make it worse :evil:
He'd live until the War of Wrath and will then be brought to judgment in front of all the Valar.

Whose fate would you change?
(welcome to the Moot, btw :) )

[Embladyne]

Turin is a good canidate, but Nienor's fate in some ways is sadder because she got sucked into it all, whereas Turin ignored the warnings he was given.
Hmmm....I'm not sure if this is my final answer, but it's a start....I may decide that some other soul is more deserving of a break.....But, there are SO many of them!!!

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

I'd change Melkor's fate so he never became evil so none of the bad things would have happened.

[Sister Golden Hair]

I have asked this question before yet in a different way. If you were an all-powerful Valar and you could change the fate of any one Silmarillion character who would it be, and why? Would it be Feanor? Maedhros or any of his brothers? Maeglin? Eol? Finrod or even Morgorth himself? I know who I would choose!I would change Finrod's fate so that he wouldn't die. Why? Cause I love him and he was such a cool dude and could have done so much good for Middle-earth had he lived.

Welcome to Entmoot Kellquenti. :)

[Attalus]

I'd have saved Finduilas. I hate that Glaurung got her, or his orcs, rather. Then she could marry Turin and it would have been all better. I think Gwindor's words are some of the saddest and most prophetic in the Sil77:Now, if you love me, leave me! Haste thee to Nargothrond , and save Finduilas. And this last I say to thee: she alone stands between thee and thy doom. If thou fail her, it shall not fail to find thee. Farewell!" Never fails to raise goosebumps.

[Radagast The Brown]

It depends, I guess - because i'm not sure what 'changing their fate' means. Change that they've done, or chosen to do? So if I could change Feanor's fate, he wouldn't leave Valinor, and all the saddness of the Elves wouldn't... exist? That would be my choice, if that what you meant by fate.

[Kellquenti]

Thanks for your welcomes!. Beren 3000 I would choose Maedhros, He was an Elf torn in so many ways. Loyal to his father to the end, yet like Maglor had some compassion. As the eldest much was expected of him whether he wanted it or not. Yes,I would change the fate of Maedhros the tortured in body and soul . He suffered so much only to lose everything in the end as the oath became a curse. Thanks again to all who replied.

[Pytt]

I don't really know. the best thing would be to change Morgoth. then everything would be good, and none of the worlds tragics would have happend. Turin is another I would have changed, or maybe his father Hurin, so Morgoth hadn't laid the curse upon him.

[Wayfarer]

What do you mean by 'fate'?

[Last Child of Ungoliant]

i would change Thingol's fate, he was proud to the end, which caused to be his undoing, and there was no need for him to be set upon in the deepest halls of menegroth by the dwarves.

[Lefty Scaevola]

Hurin, who fought with more fortitude and bore more torment than anyone else without breaking, and even bore the will of Morgoth directly applied in person, yet in his old age was duped made a pawn by the Bauglir.

[Kellquenti]

Wayfarer, "Fate?". Choose it to be what you want. Either the way that person's life evolved, the way they died (or why). The way life treated them or their final destiny in the scheme of things. whether they made it that way themselves or not. If you could help just one of them to escape that "fate", who would it be?

[Sister Golden Hair]

I would change Aegnor's fate so that he would live and maybe get together with Andreth and have a few little half elflings, and then he would go to Valinor and be with his family and not stay in Mandos' halls untill the end of the world.

[Elemmírë]

I would change Arda's fate.

After that...

Findarato, Aicanaro... and the eldest two and youngest two Feanorions...

After that...

Probably everyone else...

[Pytt]

Everyone else? isn't that a bit to large move? I mean, everyone doesn't die or that sort of things. Look at Beren and Luthien, or Earandil. they have after all a happy ending. but as I think about it, almost no one else has, so go ahead.

[Embladyne]

I would change Arda's fate.

After that...

Findarato, Aicanaro... and the eldest two and youngest two Feanorions...
I always felt so sorry for them. Specially the twins.

After that...

Probably everyone else...
Well...that would solve everything, but then there'd be so little to talk about in the Silm.

Mmm..more from the story of Turin
Finduilas, and Beleg

[Durin1]

I think Tolkien outlined how Hurin's line would be restored during the Dagor Dagollath, whereby Turin would stand on the right hand side of Tulkas and would deliver the final death blow to Melkor, thereby gaining revenge for all the woes suffered by his family at the hands of Morgoth.

[ItalianLegolas]

I recall something like that... it would probably make sense to change Morgoth's, but you have to assume that if Morgoth didn't go bad, someone else would have...the question is who?

[Last Child of Ungoliant]

I recall something like that... it would probably make sense to change Morgoth's, but you have to assume that if Morgoth didn't go bad, someone else would have...the question is who?
well, it would have been olorin of course :D

or possibly feanor, he already had the makings of evil in him
and then thingol could have, he was far too proud for his own good
and i never trusted galadriel, she seems creepy if you ask me

[ItalianLegolas]

Galadriel?? CREEPY?? :confused: Please explain your thought process on this one LCoU.

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

IMO Fëanor only went evil because of Melkor. Everything Melkor said to Fëanor was to undermine the Valar and turn Fëanor against them.

[ItalianLegolas]

I mean the Galadriel part

[Kellquenti]

Or even Tulkas or Orome , They could get a bit fiesty at times!

[ItalianLegolas]

very true, my bet would be on Curunir, because we all know what happened to him in the long wrong

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

I mean the Galadriel part
Yeah, I think I cross posted with you.

[Elemmírë]

Galadriel?? CREEPY?? :confused: Please explain your thought process on this one LCoU.

Rather power-hungry... Hardly like her big brother at all... :p

I agree with Spidey, she could easily have followed in the footsteps of Morgoth, Sauron, Feanor...

[Last Child of Ungoliant]

i quote here from her own words:

terrible as the Morning and the Night

now if that isnt creepy, i dont know what is

[Elemmírë]

Another pyschotic member of the House of Finwe!

Who could have seen that coming!?! :p

[Embladyne]

i quote here from her own words:

terrible as the Morning and the Night

now if that isnt creepy, i dont know what is
True, but nice girls don't get to rule the world :p

[Last Child of Ungoliant]

something about that line, methinks, better call ingwe out to create a new house of elves, and not bother with those bothersome noldor!! :D:D

[Kellquenti]

Oh Valar, What Have I started?, by the sound of Last child of Ungoliant's reply I've started another Kinslaying! (well I am a Feanorian supporter pr'aps that's the reason!!!!) :eek:

[Minielin]

Well, the point about Galadriel, I think, isn't that she could have followed in the footsteps of Feanor, Sauron, etc., but rather that she didn't. Despite being tempted (the whole creepy bit), she turned away from the temptation.

I'd change the fate of Beleg, Hurin (same reasons as Lefty, see above), or Turin, because no one deserves that horrid of a life! :eek:

[Beren3000]

I agree with Spidey, she could easily have followed in the footsteps of Morgoth, Sauron, Feanor...
I very strongly disagree. While she followed Fëanor out of ambition in the first place, she didn't have as much penchant for evil as he did. Remember that in Eregion she was the one who perceived Sauron's mind and wanted to have nothing to do with him.
i quote here from her own words:

terrible as the Morning and the Night

now if that isnt creepy, i dont know what is
Oh, come on! You know that's the Ring talking, don't you? After she "passed the test" Frodo saw her as a beautiful elf-lady but no longer "perilous". I think that this "creepy" impression is a by-product of PJ's movies because she was creepy in that scene you quote. But in the book, she's just a great character who had a moment of weakness. She's no more creepy than Boromir is evil, for instance!
Another pyschotic member of the House of Finwe!

Who could have seen that coming!?!
Oh, so you're Fëanorophobic, too? :D

[Last Child of Ungoliant]

i just dont trust the noldor, i think - they are all weird

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

I thought Turgon was your favourite character.

[Last Child of Ungoliant]

I thought Turgon was your favourite character.
theres an exception to every rule :p

[Lenya]

Easy question. If it was up to me, Beleg would still be alive. He really deserved it the least to die. And I'm quite sure that if he had not died, he would have been able to prevent that little disaster between Turin & his sister.

[Embladyne]

I pretty much agree with you, Lenya. Besides, I wanted to read more about Beleg, and was sad that he died so soon. Sooo, even if Turin still did horrible things, at least there would have been more of Beleg. Actually, no. Beleg should have accidentally killed Turin instead of Turin killing him. Or something to that effect.

[Earniel]

I would change MÃ*riel's fate, the last queen of Númenor. The poor lass didn't have it easy, being one of the Faithful at heart but being forced in a marriage to have her throne and right to rule stripped from her while her husband destroyed Númenor before her very eyes. I would have made her board the ships in Romenna and survive the tidal wave so that she could have set her own realm up in Middle-earth.

[Lenya]

I pretty much agree with you, Lenya. Besides, I wanted to read more about Beleg, and was sad that he died so soon. Sooo, even if Turin still did horrible things, at least there would have been more of Beleg. Actually, no. Beleg should have accidentally killed Turin instead of Turin killing him. Or something to that effect.

I don't know about the killing Turin thing, but I would deffinately have liked to read more about Beleg. It was sad that he died so soon.
I also agree with Eärniel about MÃ*riel's fate. She was very cool and it was extremely sad when she died. That bit was written very good.

[Last Child of Ungoliant]

Ar-Pharazon could have his fate changed as well, if he had not had his fear of death, he would never have been corrupted by sauron

[Embladyne]

I would change MÃ*riel's fate, the last queen of Númenor. The poor lass didn't have it easy, being one of the Faithful at heart but being forced in a marriage to have her throne and right to rule stripped from her while her husband destroyed Númenor before her very eyes. I would have made her board the ships in Romenna and survive the tidal wave so that she could have set her own realm up in Middle-earth.
Oh, definitely. That would have been really cool!