who is............

[legolaslover543]

who is your most hated character in "the hobbit"? why? :)



if you want to know my most hated character, you'll have to guess :p :D




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[legolaslover543]

come on people, ANSWER THIS THREAD hobbit

[Last Child of Ungoliant]

the necromancer, but only with hindsight after reading lotr

[Lizra]

Ummm...the "master" of Laketown was a jerk....but I hated those nasty spiders...especially that fat one that bit Bombur's nose.

[legolaslover543]

ok the worst character to me is... golum(did i spell that right? :o :p )

[Last Child of Ungoliant]

ok the worst character to me is... golum(did i spell that right? :o )
no, he has two 'L's :D
gollum,

so, why is he your worst?

ps. welcome to the moot,
have you introduced yourself in the welcome thread? at top of general messages

please feel free to call me spidey, chrys or LCoU :)

[legolaslover543]

if you read the part with gollum AGAIN you would freak out too, but thats just my opinion, and if thats not a good reason here's a better one: HE JUST IS for your info. spidey !!!!! :p :D

[ItalianLegolas]

how about... the Goblin-King?

[legolaslover543]

just write something spidey. sorry if the big letters made you think i was mad at you :( PLEASE respond to this :o :p :D :)

[legolaslover543]

why the goblin king? :confused: :p :) :D hu hu hu? (right about now i'm starting to act stupid :p :D )

[Last Child of Ungoliant]

speaking from hindsight, with lotr and UT knowledge, i have to say i like gollum, and would hope for his redemption
the only person is the necromancer, because of the deeds he did as Sauron

[legolaslover543]

just keep those replys coming(again i am acting stupid:D :p :D :p :D )

[legolaslover543]

how can i get a avatar :confused: :confused: :p

[Last Child of Ungoliant]

got to the avatar shop in general messages (ask for nurv)

[legolaslover543]

thanks spidey :) how do i get there :confused: :D :p

[Last Child of Ungoliant]

Ye Olde Avatarre Shoppe!! :D (http://entmoot.tolkientrail.com/showthread.php?t=9963)

[legolaslover543]

thanks again spidey :p

[Last Child of Ungoliant]

Always here to help!
The Welcome Thread (http://entmoot.tolkientrail.com/showthread.php?t=4868)
why dont you pop along here, and introduce yourself to the moot!

[Lenya]

The Elven king in Mirkwood (can't remember his name), because he doesn't understand them! He just complicated matters more.

[Pytt]

I don't remember whole. I haven't read that book for years :o
But I remember the spiders as pretty scary. The goblins too, or orcs if you prefer, are bad I think.

[Last Child of Ungoliant]

The Elven king in Mirkwood (can't remember his name), because he doesn't understand them! He just complicated matters more.
Thranduil, son of Oropher who came from Doriath

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

Nassty little goblinsess they are, yess.

[ItalianLegolas]

Thranduil who we alter find out is Legolas's father, hey... wait a minute, maybe that is the whole reason why Legolas is sent to Rivendell for the council of Elrond, because his father wanted to make up for his mistakes. or it could just be that he was a prince so it was his right...but thats not really important.

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

In the Hobbit we just knew him as 'the Elvenking' and never found out his name until LotR.

[Radagast The Brown]

Ummm...the "master" of Laketown was a jerk....I agree, not having a better one to hate... I couldn't hate the bad creatures - because they didn't do anything that horrible. I don't understand what you have against the Spiders and the Goblins... :p and they're not a character anyway.

[Embladyne]

The Elven king in Mirkwood (can't remember his name), because he doesn't understand them! He just complicated matters more.
Yeah, he always irritated me, but then so did the "master" of Laketown...

My favourite bad guy, though, is Smaug....sorry for the OT... :D

[Last Child of Ungoliant]

Yeah, he always irritated me, but then so did the "master" of Laketown...
did the master have a name?

[Embladyne]

did the master have a name?
I can't remember, and I don't have a copy of the Hobbit at school with me....so, I'm kinda stuck....I would love to be reminded of his name :)

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

I don't think he did but I'm not positive. I think he was just The Mast of Laketown like the Elvenking was just the Elvenking.

[Radagast The Brown]

did the master have a name?His name isn't mentioned, no. He didn't do much, unlike Thranduil...

[BeardofPants]

did the master have a name?

Did anyone one else think of The Master (http://homepages.bw.edu/~jcurtis/DWRPG_9102_Master.jpg) from Doctor Who? :o

[Lenya]

Yes the master dude was pretty useless. But he was still not as unlikable as Thranduil.

[Mrs.Gimli]

UM,,,,,,That is a hard chose Maybe Th Elven king

[Mrs.Gimli]

:D :) :rolleyes: :cool: :mad: :confused: Gullem AND SMEAGOL! RIGHT? LEGOLASLOVE?

[Bombadillo]

[Unfortunately] I never got to liking the dwarves before some of them died. From the beginning they were rude, no explanation needed there. I didn't think any one of them really made up for that until the dying Thorin spoke to Bilbo. f

But they weren't my least favorite. I think that would have to be the goblins as a collective group.

[Lenya]

Pretty harsh words to say in front of Mrs.Gimli don't you think?

[me9996]

the necromancer, but only with hindsight after reading lotr
True... If you can make the right conections. ;)

[mithrand1r]

Did anyone one else think of The Master (http://homepages.bw.edu/~jcurtis/DWRPG_9102_Master.jpg) from Doctor Who? :o

Most disliked character for me would probably be the master of laketown

(Also Known As Roger Delgado or Anthony Ainley)

;)

[Butterbeer]

yeah the Elven king seemed unecessairly nasty and shallow for one so wise. Beorn was my favorite character i think.

[Lenya]

I didn't like Beorn so much. He wasn't the worst but he kind of sucked untill he piched up at the Battle :evil: that was cool.

[Nurvingiel]

yeah the Elven king seemed unecessairly nasty and shallow for one so wise. Beorn was my favorite character i think.
Now hold on a moment... let's think of this from Thranduil's point of view. A group of 13 (since they didn't find Bilbo) wanderers turn up in your kingdom without your leave, disturbing your people at a feast three times, and then refusing to tell you their business when questioned.

That's just information from the Hobbit! Given that it was two Dwarves who killed Thingol (IIRC), it's not entirely unfair for him to be suspicious of Dwarves - at least ones who appear in his kingdom without stating their business. This doesn't even take into account dealing with Dol Guldur without the use of an Elven Ring!

[Last Child of Ungoliant]

not to mention other grievances between eldar and naugrim

slightly rambling away, but was not thranduil, son of oropher, one of thingol's kin?

[Butterbeer]

Now hold on a moment... let's think of this from Thranduil's point of view. A group of 13 (since they didn't find Bilbo) wanderers turn up in your kingdom without your leave, disturbing your people at a feast three times, and then refusing to tell you their business when questioned.

That's just information from the Hobbit! Given that it was two Dwarves who killed Thingol (IIRC), it's not entirely unfair for him to be suspicious of Dwarves - at least ones who appear in his kingdom without stating their business. This doesn't even take into account dealing with Dol Guldur without the use of an Elven Ring!



All well and good in so far as it goes, which is why i partly include the " in one so wise": a reference to all the other information available outside of "the hobbit" which most certainly is NOT available in THIS BOOK: for sure "Tharanduil" as we later learn in different books: i.e find out what his name is etc does not appear Elven wise in this book "The hobbit" which i beleive this thread is about?

My point is that reading the Hobbit (reference this being about THE HOBBIT ONLY???) he actually does come across - having absolutely no other information (as in pure chronological FACT neither does Tolkien at this point) as a pleasant character. Fine -take later points which to some degree are almost certainly partially revisionist - build in the total history of the eldar and middle earth as justification -BUT JUST DO NOT DO IT IN THIS CONTEXT!! We are talking about "the hobbit" and at this point no other explanation is forthcoming or even in actual reality penned by Tolkien.


therfore we have no reason at all in the hobbit to justify the king of the elves from being a nasty character - as this WAS the first of tolkiens's books i read at an early age i contend i am quite right to answer the question "which character didn't like etc" with the King of the elves! Esp when after Rivendell you expect the elves to be wise, helpful and benign to any enemies of Orcs or Dragons etc! (again on the information we are given at this point).

quote: A group of 13 (since they didn't find Bilbo) wanderers turn up in your kingdom without your leave, disturbing your people at a feast three times, and then refusing to tell you their business when questioned.

well with utmost respect Nurvingiel, 13 dwarves returning the only really practical way home (doing nothing really wrong) to their ancestral home, in dire straits, in need of food and succour is hardly a criminal offence:

"IN YOUR Kingdom Without your leave" - are you then suggesting Tharnduil ran a police state? It seems a bit much that lost, weary hungry dwarves should be so badly treated by a begnign wise elf lord?

As i recall the book, anyway,the elves did not stop and ask WHY the were being disturbed nor question the dwarves or help them out despite their obvious distress, they put the lights out and silently disappeared!

My point in a somewhat more concise form is this: in the Hobbit itself non of this is made clear: all we know is how it seems from the Dawrves and Bilbo's perspective: therefore how can it be anything but (for someone who first read the hobbit before reading any other Tolkien work - and at this point Tolkien himslef had not even written the words you refer to?) a unsavoury character trait of the Elf king in light of what we are actually told? I also beleive from memory that Tolkien more or less implys that the Elf King's motives rae actually greed: i am sure thats in ther in some form for certain. You must remember that The Hobbit and LOTR and the SIL are literally worlds away in reality though JRRT does very well at trying to reconcile them as he goes into depth in his world.


PS i'd like to say i have no conspiracy theories about elves etc unlike some interesting and thought-provoking posters out there - but must defend myself in this case: in the HOBBIT the 'king of the elves' is no mate to bilbo or the dawarves ( our central heroes) = FACT.

:) Thanks for the reply though! i was beginning to think i was persona non grata or something?? - Like this post'll definetly help! :rolleyes:

[strider8]

The character(i hope i spelt it right) i didn't like the most was the goblin king

[Butterbeer]

The character(i hope i spelt it right) i didn't like the most was the goblin king

yup looks spelt right to me: yeah he wasn't that helpful either was he?
:)

[EarthBound]

Hmmm, I'm really undecided here:

1. The spiders were scary & evil, though born to it, so not exactly at fault for what they were...still I didn't like the discussions about their meals looking juicy...yuck!

2. The goblin king when he thinks to eat the dawrves scarred me also ( I first read this in the '70's....I was just a wee one.

3. I wasn't happy with the elven king for being so unhelpful to the dawrves in the woods, then threw them into their jail when they clearly needed help and advice.

4. THE TROLLS........notice I don't like things that might eat you.

5. The politician, master, at Laketown was greedy and lazy, but then that's a fairly regular human trait, evil??? YES but scary??? NO and scary is what made me stop surfing (SHARKS!!!!)

6. Gollum wanted to eat Bilbo......enough with the eating of hobbits!@

7. The wolves or wargs or whatever, but for whatever reason didn't scare me..........never ever been scared of canines....always knew I was tougher LOL

8. One ill-tempered dragon that....go figure.....wanted to eat everyone...sheesh :rolleyes:

And the winner is...............I didn't like the king of the elves because I expected more from him and he hindered instead of helped.....everyone/everything else was just acting out its disagreeable nature.....I give the elves no excuse...I expect much much more of them...

[Something]

My favourites: Gandalf and Bilbo.

[Lenya]

Like your name Something. Does it mean anything? Or maybe nothing?

[Something]

Something means something to me ;)
Something is me.
Nothing is nothing. ;)

[Lenya]

And everything means something, but nothing really means anything...
And now I'll stop, I'm babbling :p

[Butterbeer]

i don't know... it depends how you read it ... in one way it's quite profound

[EarthBound]

i don't know... it depends how you read it ... in one way it's quite profound


Ok, I started a thead many moons ago on this subject (my Don't Panic thread) anyhoo my thought went like this....

You can't make something from nothing...so there is no such thing as "nothing", nor will there ever be, because there never was....I think the two notions of "something/nothing" are exlusive to each other by design. I'm taking this to a physics/phylosphy level not how many cookies have disappeared from my kitchen counter.... :cool:

[Lenya]

More phylosphy than physics I believe. Classic answer: there is nothing in a vacuum :rolleyes:

[JTB]

I didn't like Bilbo when he found the Arkenstone. I mean come on! It was Thorin's dead grandfather's!! Bilby wanted to keep it. How RUDE!

But I really didn't like the Master of Lake-Town. :mad:

[francod]

the wood elves, flash in flash out, let's have crazy picnics in dangerous woods. jackasses

[Lenya]

:D good one. Hate to admit it, but they are really stupid in the Hobbit.

[francod]

I have to say, Bilbo taking the one thing Thorin had dibbs on. I mean you have years and years of acumulated treasure and you have to take that. That is known as busting balls where I am from. It was very petty and small selfish and downright adverserial. This is Bilbo at his absolute worst. Great point Jtd

[francod]

I for one enjoy your thoughtful well researched posts. Keep the scholary posts coming.

[Finrod Felagund]

It sure did piss of Thorin...

[Valandil]

OK FF - stop being a 'smelly orc' :p

[Finrod Felagund]

Shhhh...I'm on a long overdue posting binge! My posts have been down to a trickle in GM for too long...

[Valandil]

Oh - I see what you're up to! Want your name showing up for last post in each sub-forum... well, I don't have a 90 second limit! :D

[Finrod Felagund]

You've got Archives...isn't that enough?
I've just realized I've been here a long time and my post-cunt is pathetic, so I need to actively participate in all aspects of the board. Even the Hobbit!
And now that the LotR musical is getting underway that forum is bound to piuck up a bit, and I put my two cents in...

[Valandil]

You've got Archives...isn't that enough?...

Frustrated, huh? Well - my point was not to grab every sub-forum myself. We haven't added anything to Archives for ages - so my last post there will likely go away once we add something else.

[Finrod Felagund]

haha...I know...I was only poking fun...
I'm just glad that a coupla threads I started are in the archives.

Talk about out of context for this thread though...haha...I'm suprised at you Valandil!

BAD MOD!

[Nurvingiel]

Heehee.

You know, Butterbeer, you made some really good points about Thranduil. Especially that Tolkien didn't have any more information chronologically, and returning to your ancestral home by the only logical route, and trying to go to a feast since your starving is hardly a crime.
While I still do really like Thranduil, the Wood Elves in general came off rather badly in The Hobbit.

This thread is awesome.

[Finrod Felagund]

Well...I think the elves in the hobbit in general were VERY different. I mean, the Rivendell elves sat in trees and san creepy/mocking songs to the company. So weird. At this point I don't think Tolkien's Gondolin elves had ALL that much to do with his Rivendell elves

[Tamuril Sirfalas]

who is your most hated character in "the hobbit"? why? :)



if you want to know my most hated character, you'll have to guess :p :D




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well i will have to say the character(s) that i hated in the hobbit have to be the spiders...boy i hate spiders...im afraid if i see one i scream and cringe with fear...lol and sure the master of lake town was mean and left his people when ol' smaug came to the town to burn the hell outa the folks down there :D

[Tamuril Sirfalas]

well then can people keep the replys in? i would like to know which characters are your fave :D

[Belwen_of_nargothrond]

My most hated character would be The Goblin King.