Kinslayings

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

Were just elves on elved considered as kinslayings, and if not the why not. Surely a man on man was just as bad as an elf killing another elf.

For example was the Feanorians killing the Teleri or the elves at the mouthes of Sirion any worse that what Beregond did Rath Dinen?

[Beren3000]

Beregond did what he did for a reason! :mad: don't you dare compare him to Feanor! :)

[Sister Golden Hair]

Were just elves on elved considered as kinslayings, and if not the why not. Surely a man on man was just as bad as an elf killing another elf.

For example was the Feanorians killing the Teleri or the elves at the mouthes of Sirion any worse that what Beregond did Rath Dinen?Elves and Men lived under different laws and customs. In Morgoth's Ring it talks about seperation of body and spirit and how grievous that was to the Elves. Also, the Noldor were under the Doom of Mandos because of the Kinslaying of the Teleri and they had stained the land of Aman with kindred blood and when the Noldor returned to Middle-earth, many were caught up in their doom.

In Morgoth's Ring, Finrod tells Andreth that Men were soul masters of themselves being to great for the Valar to govern. So, I think that because the Elves were bound to the world and were not meant for death, it was a greater crime to the Valar for Elves to kill Elves. I think too that the word "Kinslaying" referred more to a massacre of several people rather than a one on one kill

[Valandil]

Note that Gondor's history also uses the term 'Kin-slaying' to refer to their own civil war, which began over succession of the kingship within the royal house - in the 15th cent, TA.

THAT'S involving Men.

[Attalus]

Note that Gondor's history also uses the term 'Kin-slaying' to refer to their own civil war, which began over succession of the kingship within the royal house - in the 15th cent, TA.

THAT'S involving Men.I thought that was "the Kin-Strife?" :confused:

[Valandil]

I thought that was "the Kin-Strife? :confused:

Oops! Got me! :eek:

... never mind! :o

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

I think too that the word "Kinslaying" referred more to a massacre of several people rather than a one on one kill
Well there were more men killing men during time than elves killing elves. Haradrim killed the Rohirrim and Gondorians and vice versa.

[Elemmírë]

Well there were more men killing men during time than elves killing elves. Haradrim killed the Rohirrim and Gondorians and vice versa.

TD, I think you're missing SGH's point.


In Morgoth's Ring, Finrod tells Andreth that Men were soul masters of themselves being to great for the Valar to govern. So, I think that because the Elves were bound to the world and were not meant for death, it was a greater crime to the Valar for Elves to kill Elves. I think too that the word "Kinslaying" referred more to a massacre of several people rather than a one on one kill

According to this logic, which I agree with, it is the fact that Elves are not meant to die which makes kinslaying among them a greater crime.

Personally, though, I feel that the killing of one person is as bad as of several... This is stretching it, I know, but think of the Sons of Fëanor... which of them are the most notorious? IMO, Celegorm and Curufin. And when it comes down to it, they probably did not do as much actual slaying as Maedhros and Maglor...