Eragon

[HLGStrider]

Now I can list the pros and cons of this book and they exist. It is a fantasy novel by a young, first time author (19 in age), and I think that is why I like it so much. If he can do it, I can too. I'm nearly as good as him!


Anyway, has anyone read it? What did they think?

I liked a lot of the elements. . .and I am awaiting the sequel if only to prove my theory right about certain family trees that I have been speculating on.

I predict that Eragon has a half brother he doesn't know about, for instance, but who we have already met in the story.

[Lief Erikson]

I've only read half of it, so I won't be looking at this thread for a very long time, I expect. The author was a good writer, in my opinion. I didn't encounter any new ideas in the book, so I ended up losing interest. He is good at writing, though.

EDIT: And this will be the only part of our conversation that Valandil reads :evil: .

[HLGStrider]

MU HA HA HA The evil exclusiveness of it all. Only I, Lief, and Christoph the Beta Fish know!

Where was I?

I could see where Paolini could use a little work on his style. For one thing he gave the villianous shade Maroon eyes. Maroon? What serious fantasy writer allows the color Maroon into his work! If you are a serious fantasy writer and have the word maroon in your work, go delete it immediately. No one uses the word herb in a rock song. No one uses maroon in a fantasy book.

He also will occasionally throw in a big word where a small one would fit and I know what that is. He was homeschooled and is showing off his vocabulary. I know because I was homeschooled and used to do the same thing. Homeschoolers love to show off vocabulary. It's our main fault. ;)

However, I did like certain plot elements, especially the dragon herself and the WareCat. I just like cats, however. The character Angelica was too contrived and the females don't feel real, but he's new to this.

[Valandil]

EDIT: And this will be the only part of our conversation that Valandil reads :evil: .

:confused: :confused:

But I haven't even read the book! Is the title (and is it a character name) a bit of a play with the word 'dragon'? The first time I saw it I did a double-take, wondering if the 'E' was supposed to be a fancy 'D' - and if the title was 'Dragon'! :p Silly me! :)

;)

[ethuiliel]

But it was supposed to look like Dragon, CP purposely spelled it almost like Dragon.

I think it's a great book, by the way!!

[Iboen]

I've read this book through ands through, and still haven't bought it yet =\ Hehe, I found it really well written and rather inspiring, but I think most of Paolini's ideas were stolen obviously, hehe.

Iboen

[Cantaloupe]

I agree with Iboen, much of Eragon is stolen. I found it slightly annoying how similar is was to Tolkien *sage nod* :rolleyes:

[Elemmírë]

Come now, is it even possible to write a fantasy story that is not like Tolkien's? Though certainly there are a few exceptions, very rarely have I seen it done. And there are definitely other stories out there that have stolen much more from Tolkien than this author did. Personally, I liked Eragon. Not... obsessively. But I did enjoy reading it. :)

[Thraxon]

for a firist book it did quite well i wonder if the movie will be that good

[ItalianLegolas]

Come now, is it even possible to write a fantasy story that is not like Tolkien's?

I believe they did a study on that El, and it was deemed to be physically impossible :)

[Lief Erikson]

Using swords and slaying monsters came before Tolkien.

[ethuiliel]

Using swords and slaying monsters came before Tolkien.
Of course they did... as did most of the other stuff Tolkien used. And I never heard mythology and mideaval weaponry was copy-righted. And the rest, like languages and Hobbits, CP did not steal (meaning, he didn't use them... not Tolkien's languages, at least, and he didn't use anything remotely resembling Hobbits... and he did use his own creatures... like the Ra'zak.).

[Elenwen06]

I didn't like Eragon. It seemed like he "borrowed" too much from too many authors. I found elements of Tolkien, McCaffery, and many others within the volume. It frustrates me when people can't use their own imagination and have to fall back on others'. Sorry if you don't agree with me.

[ethuiliel]

I didn't like Eragon. It seemed like he "borrowed" too much from too many authors. I found elements of Tolkien, McCaffery, and many others within the volume. It frustrates me when people can't use their own imagination and have to fall back on others'. Sorry if you don't agree with me.

How can you not use at least some elements of others' stories. It doesn't mean he "borrowed" them, just that they're similar. And he did use his own imagination, there are deffinely some creatures in those books that don't resemble anything else I've read (like the Ra'zak). And I've read both Eragon and a few Pern books, and I don't feel that the dragons and their riders are all that similar in the two. Give the man some credit.

I don't mean that Eragon is the best book ever written (that'd be LotR ;) ) but I do think that CP has more imagination and is an over all better writer than you give him credit for.

[tolkienfan]

He was okay, it does seem like a lot was "borrowed"? from Tolkien (and others) but there was a lot that I didn't notice being too similar to anything else I've read either.

[ethuiliel]

I was reading an interview with the author of Eragon, and he said something that pretty much exactly explains my point of view on this issue... not just with Eragon but with pretty much every book people claim to be too much like another.

Many people say Eragon copies from Star Wars and Lord of the Rings. What is your response?
Christopher Paolini: I read and enjoyed a lot of epic fantasy growing up and I wanted to write a story in that same genre. If I avoided elements common in those epics- elves, dragons, etc- I wouldn't be writing the kind of genre I wanted. It's what you do with those elements that makes or break the book.

Another fantasy author, Mercedes Lackey, who has written plenty of books, good books, wrote this in an essay on plagarism (http://www.mercedeslackey.com/text/1plagarism.shtml):
People tend to use this term incorrectly all the time. In some very few legal cases, authors have proved in court that someone else plagiarized their work, by proving substantial portions of it were lifted, unchanged, from their own work. When most people refer to “plagiarizing” however, they are generally saying that someone used someone else’s ideas. Now, you will almost never hear a professional author accusing another of this. The reason is simple; first, you cannot put a patent or a copyright or a statement of ownership on an idea. Second, every professional writer knows that no two authors will take the same idea and do the same thing with it. And again, with the exception of a handful of legal cases and an incredibly original idea (and I can personally think of only one, Art Buchwald’s case against the producers of COMING TO AMERICA) it simply is wildly unlikely that any professional would bother with pilfering someone else’s work. Why should we? Ideas occur all the time to us. The trick is not in coming up with ideas, but with figuring out which are the most marketable.
She also ended with
You can’t plagiarize ideas, only text. And a real, professional writer would throw themselves over a cliff before they did that—because the one thing we take pride in is our words. Our own voice. So to take someone else’s would mean we couldn’t come up with any of our own. Not a chance.

Will you argue with an accomplished author, saying that she has the wrong idea about the use of the ideas that she, and most other fantasy authors, use?

[Tree Dweller]

What do you guys think about me reading it to my 7 and 9 year old? They are very interested and heard that the movie was being made. I try to read the books to them before they see the movie, so we were considering it.
Do you think it is on their comprehension level?

[ethuiliel]

If you've read them LotR, it should be fine, but if you haven't and wouldn't read LotR to them I wouldn't read Eragon. The language is probably a little easier than LotR, but otherwise it's on a similar level.

[Tree Dweller]

Thanks for the advice, Ethuiliel! :)

[luvEyowen]

Books! Anybody read Eragon?

[Earniel]

Moved to proper forum and merged with older, already existing thread on the same topic.

It took me a while to get into Eragon, and when I was just getting into the story, the book ended. But then I suppose I'm rather spoilt when it comes to stories.

Still, Eragon was an okay read, if not somewhat unimaginative at times. But hey, it's a lot better than anything I could have written at the age of 19, let alone get published.

And this is the first book that managed to trick me. Usually I never read a book of which the sequels haven't been published yet. I dislike reading one book and then waiting another two years to read the next one, when I probably don't remember by then just what was in the first book. Eragon fiendishly hit the fact it had a sequel until the last page. How I cursed. But I still think I will buy Eldest too, when it comes out in paperback and translation.

[ElvenLover]

I am the same way. I hate reading a book if I know that I have to wait for the next one. The Stress of it all kills! :p
I personally agree with a few of the others. CP wrote a good book and he was not much older than myself,, but he did make himself seem slightly pompous with his choice of vocab. and the length of the book. (What teenager has the time to write something that long? I barely have the time to do my reports, much less write a book! :D :rolleyes: ;) )
But, I still enjoyed it and and waiting for it all to come to a close.

[Nurvingiel]

I heard he self-published the book, and then his parents promoted it at a number of different libraries, then a publisher picked it up.

I don't know if that's true or not.

However I did skim some of the book and I don't think I can read such... prose. It's as though every high fantasy cliche was distilled, and its putrid essence was used to soak every page of the book. Throw in a little ripping off of Tolkien and you have yourself a book.

That's the impression I got from the two pages I read before I had to bleach my eyeballs anyway. :D

[RaistlinMagere]

I personally loved the book, but what everyone has said is true....he did kind of copy many great books, but his twist on their story lines is what made the book great...
I most appreciate the fact that Eragon didnt start out skilled at anything but the peasant/naive lifestyle and became something great...thats not very much copied from Tolkien or any other fantasy series i've read...magic was renewed in his world, it wasnt always there like in Frodo's...

[durinsbane2244]

chris wrote a very good book. one thing that i personally liked was that eragon gained everything. whenever i read a book, i always want the main character to be awesome, and he is. the best human swordsmen, ok, but elves can beat him. oh, look, he has elf powers. amazing! stuff like that...great...

[Earniel]

chris wrote a very good book. one thing that i personally liked was that eragon gained everything. whenever i read a book, i always want the main character to be awesome, and he is. the best human swordsmen, ok, but elves can beat him. oh, look, he has elf powers. amazing! stuff like that...great...
Funny, that is exactly something I experience as a flaw of the book. :p Eragon has a dragon, he has strong magic abilities and he very quickly became an impressive warrior. A little too much of everything for my taste.

[The last sane person]

Yeah, in six months he became UBER DUDE from simple weak farm boy who has only ever held a sycthe. Then in his elfy training, he just cant cut it and it is nearing the end of the book. Then, Oh! Look at this magnificent plot hole. Bring out a pair of naked tattooed elf chicks who have a dragon imprisoned in thier skin nad have it elf-ify him.

Now, as not to spoil it for maybe those that have not read it.

Now, I did like the plot twist of Murtagh being his brother. I knew for sure he wasnt dead, that was just too fishy. I had a murky suspicion that he would be but I deemed it a little to much of a twist for some of his younger readers. But now that I think of it, I really should have expected it. Yes, he is a bit pompus in word choice, but he is homeschooled in a place called Paradise Valley. What do you expect?!

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Funny, that is exactly something I experience as a flaw of the book. :p

Exactly. Excessive uber-powers is silly. :p

[Nurvingiel]

Giant plot holes to give the main character uber powers bug me. I want to read about a struggle, not a suped-up hero beating a criminally stupid villain. :D

Is the villain in Eragon dumber than a box of rocks, or does he have a couple brain cells to rub together.

A good litmus test is if the villain says stuff like, "No, this cannot be. I am invincible!"

Now, as not to spoil it for maybe those that have not read it.

[I read the spoiler because I'm not going to read this book anyway] What do you expect?!An editor. That's what I expect. Bah.

;)

[ayra]

Wait, are we talking about Eragon or Eldest? It is a little bit of both (mostly Eragon) in this thread. I've read both and I think that they are good books...

[me9996]

I think Eldest stinks, it barely is useful for moveing on the plot. And elvish resoning is nuts.

The rest is a bit of a spoiler...
And Murtagh being Eragons brother and what's-his-name's his father! What's next? Is Arya going to be his sister? (No offence Arya) But one thing that struck me funny is that his father was a dragonrider, his brother is a dragonrider, and he is a dragonrider, must run in the family Lol.

[ayra]

No offence? Eldest is a pretty good book, this is not my thought but some think roren next... What do you expect? Murtagh and Eragon have the same Father...

[me9996]

Another thing that's bugging me that oughta be put in spoiler tags, so I will.


First of all, Eragon and his Cuzan (I CAN'T SPELL) Rohan keep saying 'aye'. 'aye' this 'aye' that! It just bugs me up the wall! The best way to discribe how much this bugs me would be a missused quote from the same book... Just take any part when Angelica insults Eragon and goes on about what a blockhead he is and imagen she's talking about his constant use of the word 'aye'.

Second, the elves realy bug me. I'd like to get a few words in with Orumus (I think that's his name) but of course he doesn't exist.

Third, once Eragon lays hands on the raz'ac he's going to rip them apart with magic, no two-ways about it no matter what the elves say! (And I'd like to read that part)
So that's it. One thing I'm shure is going to happen in the third one is Eragon bringing someone back to life!

[ayra]

So, how (the last spoiler) is that going to happen? They, (elfs and Brom, general teachers of Eragon) say it cannot happen.

[me9996]

That's just why! They're setting it up so when he does it it'll be realy big as a plot point! :D (And they made shuch a point of it that if it doesn't come into play at all during the story...)

[Lord of the Mark]

That's just why! They're setting it up so when he does it it'll be realy big as a plot point! :D (And they made shuch a point of it that if it doesn't come into play at all during the story...)


Agreed, I bet he's going to fight Murtagh at the end and kill him then bring him back to life or something, it's bound to happen one way or the other

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Welcome, Eorling! :)

[Lord of the Mark]

Thanks :)

[ayra]

I'm not sure... Eragon should kill whats-his-name the king. The one who has Murtagh under his control. If Eragon does bring Murtagh back to life, wouldn't Murtagh still be under the kings control?

[me9996]

I have long been under the impretion that oaths are made null by death :D

[Bran]

That's a definite possibility.

[Lord of the Mark]

Indeed.

[ayra]

Possible, but it never says in the books. I guess Murtagh would be free. Still, if he weren't, what do you think would happen then?

[me9996]

Speculation below, as I may be right I will put it in spoiler tags!

Zaphroid Be... I mean Betrox... Whatever the evil emperors name is... Would be overthrown by some act of his own folly, maybe he trys to cast something to distroy Asgardia...

Or maybe he teleports Eragon to some other world and gets killed in the prosess.

[rohirrim TR]

its Galbatorix the country is called Alageasia.

as to how Eragon could raise someone from the dead. My theory is he draw on nature for the power and would probably create a vast wasteland in the process but he could do it; not to mention the possibilitie that if only murtagh were killed he [Eragon] might be able to sync up with Thorn (Murtagh's dragon) for even more power.

[me9996]

Or maybe Eragon dies while bringing Murtagh back to life?

[Nurvingiel]

Wait, there's a place called Asgardia? Rip off!

Speaking of rip-offs, I've heard Eragon borrows quite heavily from Tolkien. For those of you who have read it, is this true or are people just being mean?

[me9996]

Beleave it or not Asguard is from something tolkien borrowed from, norse mythology.

Anyway another thing no one has thought of, what if with the help of the elves Eragon just blows up the city Gabbligook is in, I bet Goblicky didn't make wards against that!

[rohirrim TR]

Wait, there's a place called Asgardia? Rip off!

Speaking of rip-offs, I've heard Eragon borrows quite heavily from Tolkien. For those of you who have read it, is this true or are people just being mean?
No its Alagaesia, see? http://www.alagaesia.com/

And yes it is heavily influenced by patron saint of fantasy Tolkien but to Paolini's credit he has created some fairly original creatures and with the exception of a few chapters a good story.

[me9996]

Yeah, some parts I'd like to just replace with Sapphira getting drunk so Eragon has to ask what happened...

[rohirrim TR]

Yeah, some parts I'd like to just replace with Sapphira getting drunk so Eragon has to ask what happened...
yeah, the whole concept of a wasted dragon does kind of crack me up. *sapphira gets pulled over for flying drunk and burning up houses* :evil:

[Nurvingiel]

Beleave it or not Asguard is from something tolkien borrowed from, norse mythology.Oh yes, I was referring to Paolini getting Asgard(ia) from Norse mythology. Sorry about the confusion.

Tolkien used it too? Cool.

edit: Maybe I will read this book. So it's a pretty good read eh?

[me9996]

Tolken used Norse ideas involveing dwarves mostly (That I can see)
Anyway Eragon is not a book I'd recmend but if you've read it it's fun to talk about... It's entirely up to you however.

And would a drunk dragon breath fire better from all the flamable drink?

[Lord of the Mark]

I just heard that the Special edition for Eldest has just come out and there's and excript from book three, has anyone bought this?

[rohirrim TR]

Tolken used Norse ideas involveing dwarves mostly (That I can see)
Anyway Eragon is not a book I'd recmend but if you've read it it's fun to talk about... It's entirely up to you however.

And would a drunk dragon breath fire better from all the flamable drink?
hmm the ultimate molitov cocktail perhaps? :D

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Tolken used Norse ideas involveing dwarves mostly (That I can see)
Anyway Eragon is not a book I'd recmend but if you've read it it's fun to talk about... It's entirely up to you however.

And would a drunk dragon breath fire better from all the flamable drink?

Yep. 'Cause Tolkien's dwarves were maggots at one time. *nods sagely

[me9996]

hmm the ultimate molitov cocktail perhaps? :D
Maybe even better is she's gassy! :D

[Nurvingiel]

Ehh... if you don't recommend it, then I won't bother. Maybe later, after I've read my current book list. I do have a copy since my fiance accidentally stole one from his landlord's son.

[Bran]

Ehh... if you don't recommend it, then I won't bother. Maybe later, after I've read my current book list. I do have a copy since my fiance accidentally stole one from his landlord's son.

Wow, how did he poll that off?

[Nurvingiel]

Well, some of his things were in his room, which the landlord needed to rent out, so they put it all in a box for him, which he later picked up. It seems that the son left his book in his box - my fiance only found it later when he unpacked his box.

[Lord of the Mark]

Well, some of his things were in his room, which the landlord needed to rent out, so they put it all in a box for him, which he later picked up. It seems that the son left his book in his box - my fiance only found it later when he unpacked his box.

Cool, cool, You should try reading it, it doesn't have the greatest beginning, but the book gets better as it progresses.

[Jon S.]

Best first effort by a teenager I'm aware of. Seriously, are you all so picky about everything?

[me9996]

Only fanticy books, :D

If you haven't nodiced most of us are LOTR fans and as such hold higher standerds for fanticy storys in all forms...

And Eragon is a fragile story, if someone does to it what Peter Jackson did to LOTR you've got a certan warlock I am aginst :rolleyes:
("wizard" to his friends lol :D )

[Acalewia]

I started Eragon today. So far I'm really enjoying it. It has had me asking questions from the begining. I love it!

[Acalewia]

I just finished Eldest. I have one word: WOW! I loved it! Now I'm going to have to wait for the next and final book in the Inheritance Trilogy. I have to say he is a very very good writer. He keeps the reader hooked from page one. Not very many authors can do that. I love how he keeps your attention with plot twists and plenty of them.

Hopefully we will see other works after he wraps Inheritance *crosses fingers*

[me9996]

That is one thing that can be said for the books, they do have a rather engageing plot
(Although rittled with overused plot devices to the point that it's funny)

[Nurvingiel]

I've actually read Eragon now. It was okay. I certainly enjoyed myself, and read it in one sitting.

Parts I like about the book:

-Arya
-Murtagh
-Urgals
-The plot moved along at a good pace
-It was very readable
-I enjoyed myself
- ... Well, at least he finished his manuscript.

Parts I didn't like:

-Blatant Tolkien rip-off
-Blatant Ursula K. LeGuin rip-off
-Annoying illogical things, like the town he was from. They were supposed to be poor farmers, but a large group of merchants came every year to buy surplus grain at what must have been generous prices, because the merchants also sell a lot of luxiries. They also bring troubadors. Waaa?
- Also, who walks ten miles, or whatever, just to fix a chisel? Why wouldn't you accomplish a number of errands? But, you know, farmers have a huge amount of free time
- Eragon himself has ridiculous skills, luck, power, respect, and learning ability. He can use magic, is befriended by witches and magical, powerful beasts, he can do magic, he's a Dragonrider, and he learns everything at a completely ridiculous pace.
-The plot was fairly predictable; I predicted these plot points:
1. Brom would die, which I knew immediately after Angela told Eragon's fortune.
2. I figured Murtagh was either Galbatorix or what's-his-pickle, the first of the Forsworn's, son. I knew this as soon as Murtagh said he had something very important to tell Eragon, and was then ridiculously cut-off mid-sentence.
3. It was obvious quite early on that Brom was a Dragon Rider.


This is from the first page of this thread:
Many people say Eragon copies from Star Wars and Lord of the Rings. What is your response?
Christopher Paolini: I read and enjoyed a lot of epic fantasy growing up and I wanted to write a story in that same genre. If I avoided elements common in those epics- elves, dragons, etc- I wouldn't be writing the kind of genre I wanted. It's what you do with those elements that makes or break the book.Way to not answer the question at all, Paolini.

I think he wrote his book with a pen in one hand, and Lord of the Rings and A Wizard of Earthsea in the other.

These elements were ripped off from Tolkien:
- the elves that "came from the west in silver ships"
- Kulls = Uruk-hai
- Shades = Nazguls
- only Tolkien has written a Dwarf-Elf conflict that didn't seem completely artificial, so this seems like a rip-off (though in this case, he's not the only one)

This crucial plot-point was ripped off from Ursula K. LeGuin:
- The true name aspect of magic, including everyone having their own true name, the true names for all things in the world, keeping one's true name a secret because if someone knew it they would have power over you, and not everyone knows their true name

So. That takes out most of the good bits. Which means that in my opinion he's a fairly unoriginal author.

Another aspect I didn't enjoy was the complete imbecile Brom. This is the intellectual wasteland who decided to train someone to fight by giving him at least one concussion, but giving no useful instruction whatsoever in any martial art. Because he's an irritating little Marty Stu, Eragon learns everything anyway. That drove me completely nuts. Also, the pointless withholding of information was very annoying. It was just a weak attempt to build up suspense in the book.

Eragon is like MSG: You enjoy it until ten minutes after you're done, and then you feel completely unsatisfied and slightly ill.

[me9996]

The funny thing is that I though the urguls were the one of the few origanal ideas in the book... I guess the antlers through me off.

And by the way, do you think some of that ought to be in spoiler tags?

[Nurvingiel]

The funny thing is that I though the urguls were the one of the few origanal ideas in the book... I guess the antlers through me off.Actually, the antlers were a nice touch. The Urgals themselves were pretty original monsters, but Kulls weren't. Having genetically superiory Urgals who could move in daylight without problems, and who were larger and stronger than regular Urgals is a total Uruk-Hai rip-off.

[Acalewia]

I throughly enjoyed it. It was kinda obvious that Brom was a Rider, though

[me9996]

Spoiler warning... But my opinions are in there too...
Okay, first of all it is a book that has a nice plot but is full of somewhat overused plot devises.

The thing that most bugs me is that they rename thing with names that sound like monster trucks such as renameing pain "The obliviator" or calling the ra'zac "desecrators" when someone else called them something else.

And the endless use of the word "Aye" :mad:

But one thing when I found out that Eragons father was... What's his name, the evil Darth Vader like dragonrider? :rolleyes:

Anyway when I read that I thought it was sooo funny! :D
I guess dragon-rideing runs in the family :rolleyes:

And there are bits that I'd rather were replaced with Saphira getting drunk
(That was funny too, a drunk dragon... Hehehe...)

[Acalewia]

And there are bits that I'd rather were replaced with Saphira getting drunk
(That was funny too, a drunk dragon... Hehehe...)
That was one of the funniest things I've read.

[me9996]

(Cation, some spoilers in spoiler tags)

... If a drunk dragon is the funniest thing you've ever read maybe you'd better read funnier things :rolleyes:

Allthough it is very funny...
The very consept of a drunk dragon is funny.

I personaly think the revalation that what's-his-face is Eragons father is funnier... :D
As I've said, dragonrideing seems to run in the family :rolleyes:

But that could just be due to my strange strange sence of humor.

[me9996]

Something just occered to me. Maybe the kull arn't an uruk-hai rip off...

Not to say that they are origanal but to say tolkien wasn't the first to try something like this.

Well my point is that to gobblins (In LOTR also known as orcs) there have been for ages hobgobblins which are bigger stonger gobblins.

So uruk-hai aren't as origanal as beleaved but the kull aren't exactly uruk-hai rip offs.

[Acalewia]

(Cation, some spoilers in spoiler tags)

... If a drunk dragon is the funniest thing you've ever read maybe you'd better read funnier things :rolleyes:

Allthough it is very funny...
The very consept of a drunk dragon is funny.
I said it was one of the funniest things.
I personaly think the revalation that what's-his-face is Eragons father is funnier... :D
As I've said, dragonrideing seems to run in the family :rolleyes:

But that could just be due to my strange strange sence of humor.
It was more of a shock to me than funny, although I was sure Eragon's father was a Rider. You do have a strange sense of humor

[me9996]

Yeah, I guess I have a strange of humor... But as your siggy says:
Don't meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.

"That's the spirit! One part brave, three parts fool" Brom Eragon
That's good siggy stuff... :D And it's sorta my view on alot of Eragon. :rolleyes:

[Acalewia]

As I have said before you are a strange one :D
Thank you, btw

[me9996]

You're welcome :D (And now for something... Compleatly diffent)

Can't anyone remember the name of that forsworn guy?

I can't and his name never shows up in this thread everyone just calls him "what's-his-face/pickle"

Anyway my usual spoilery rant bit on this thread:
Okay, first off the bat: all the evil dragonriders mentioned by name always seem to have their (sometimes dead) hand in the mix (Mixed metafores!! OF DOOM!!!)

And he made the elves basicly stronger, faster... Basicly better than humans and I don't much like those elves.

And his dragon stuff is sorta the same way, after all, dragons do hoard gold...
Er... Would hoard gold, I mean, they hoard gold in all the storys (Exept this one :rolleyes: )

Finaly the ovious Dragonrider/Foresworn to Jedi/Sith stuff... Ripoffing starwars now are we?

But then again with us finding out about half the main charicters are dragon-riders and ol' what's-his-face being Eragons father...
What's next? Arya being Eragons half-sister? (The book-charictar Arya, not the mooter)

However one point to be made that isn't something about it I dislike is that with the elves speaking anchent wouldn't they use magic actidently sometimes? :rolleyes:

[Acalewia]

Morzan

[me9996]

Thank you :D

The rest is in spoilers as it will have spoilery stuff in it...

I guess one thing that can be said for it is that Eragon is that the title charicter is a clasic Jack charicter but at the end... Well...

Eragon is a fantacy book, not a movie (Well they have made a movie out of it but...) or a computer game. Haveing the hero be crazy powerful at the end is just nuts!
And well, that's it for now...

[rael]

I read it and loved it the second was even better

[rael]

I think that he gave him maroon eyes because his eyes were brown in real life it might make sence that brown goes maroon and blue goes black do i make sense

[rael]

read it to them i would say i have a brother and a sister that have read it one was 9 and the other is 7 its a good idea

[ayra]

I cannot be Eragon's half-sister. The book plainly says who belongs to whom. And who is whose parents.

[me9996]

I was talking about the book Arya, not you. :rolleyes: :D

But you know the strange systems the elves have insted of marrage and they never say that Morzan is human (At least I don't think so)

And I don't beleave they say who the book Aryas father is...

The difficulty with discussing Eragon with someone with the username "Arya" :rolleyes:

[The last sane person]

No, the book does state it who is whose daughter and son. And yes, it says morzan is human. Er...wait, no the second book goes into who is the father/mother/brother/sister. Meh.

[Acalewia]

It does say who Arya's father is. He was an Elf and I can't remember his name off the top of my head.

[The last sane person]

Evandar is her fathers name


He is the elf king, whatshisface, Evandar.

[ayra]

I was talking about the book Arya, not you. :rolleyes: :D

But you know the strange systems the elves have insted of marrage and they never say that Morzan is human (At least I don't think so)

And I don't beleave they say who the book Aryas father is...

The difficulty with discussing Eragon with someone with the username "Arya" :rolleyes:

I know you were talking about the book. :rolleyes: I spell it differently.
Arya is in no way a relation to Eragon.
Although, he does fall head over heels for her and she does not.

[me9996]

It's just with all the star wars rip off things* it seems sorta logical that Arya and Eragon would be related in some way :rolleyes:

It would explain a few things includeing Eragons name** :p

And now for a realy crackpot theory:
Here's my crackpot theory: That what's her name was realy Eragons mother and garrow mistook her for his sister...

Wow, that's realy crackpotish... Allthough untill the third book comes out it'll be hard to disproove


*Which are spoilers I don't care to list :rolleyes:

**More spoilers :p

[The last sane person]

Er, I dont understand your theory.... The grammer has me in a tizzy.

But anyways, it's quite clear whom she is and is not related to. I know Paolini is cheesey, but he cant be THAT cheesey.


"Eragon I am your father and Arya is your sister and Murtagh is my cousin's uncle's room mate's girlfriend's brother!!!"

[Acalewia]

"Eragon I am your father and Arya is your sister and Murtagh is my cousin's uncle's room mate's girlfriend's brother!!!"
OMG! That is the biggest snort laugh I have had in forever.


me, that is quite a crackpot theory

[elven dragonrider]

the last sane person wrote: "Eragon I am your father and Arya is your sister and Murtagh is my cousin's uncle's room mate's girlfriend's brother!!!"


Sorry, but your username just became invalid. What in **Middle Earth** do you mean by that?
I don't see what you are getting at all.

me9996, you're crackpot theory lived up to its name. I'm not even sure how you came up with it. How could so many people be mistaken? Though it would make clearer the already clear relationship between them, I think it would put many other parts in shadow as to their definition. No examples at the front of my mind, but I hope you see my reasoning.

[The last sane person]

You have obviously never seen SpaceBalls, have you? It's a rip off on Star Wars' whole "Luke I am your father."

Christopher Paolini has amazingly managed to rip off LOTR, Dragon Riders of Pern and a touch of Star Wars. Especially when it comes to the whole "Surprise! You are the child of the enemy!" thing with the way he built his relationships.

It's rather hard to use such references with people who dont have the same knowledge base as ones self (!!!NOT!!! saying that you dont have knowledge, its just that we apperantly haven't watched the same stuff).

[me9996]

Okay, as people didn't quite understand my crackpot theory here is a clarified vertion
(In spoiler tags as I might be right :rolleyes: )
Okay, trying to put this clearer this time:
The idea this time is that Eragon are half-siblings.

You know that these elves of Paolini's don't mate for life and that they sometime change mates or whatever they'd call them...

Anyway what if what's-her-name the elven queen was Eragons mother and when trying to hide her child for whatever reson (Maybe Eragon being half-elvish by this theory) she was mistaken by Garrow for his sister and so Eragon was taken in...

Explains Eragons name, and that he was exepted by Saphiria while all those others weren't (And by all chance she knew all along) and it also explain why he was welcomed so readily.

This could also mean that Murtah was wrong and Eragon isn't related to him.

I know it's crazy but why not? Very hard to say anything against once it's all layed out clear.

But it is, still, a crackpot theory :D :p :rolleyes: :D
There, that ought to explain my crackpot theory better.

[Acalewia]

This could also mean that Murtah was wrong and Eragon isn't related to him.

Murtaugh said that whole thing in the Ancient Language, silly, so your theory don't really make sense.

[The last sane person]

Too true... Though, he might have been contorting the truth. Elves are great at that and they use the ancient language.

[Nurvingiel]

You have obviously never seen SpaceBalls, have you? It's a rip off on Star Wars' whole "Luke I am your father."

Christopher Paolini has amazingly managed to rip off LOTR, Dragon Riders of Pern and a touch of Star Wars. Especially when it comes to the whole "Surprise! You are the child of the enemy!" thing with the way he built his relationships.Don't forget "A Wizard of Earthsea" by Ursula K. LeGuin. He ripped that off too.

Derivative hack. Bah.

[rohirrim TR]

Derivative hack. Bah.
well he was like 17 when he wrote it. :rolleyes:

[me9996]

Too true... Though, he might have been contorting the truth. Elves are great at that and they use the ancient language.
Also, the ancient language does not prevent someone from being wrong, just from lieing (If I understand it correctly)

For exemple, Eragon was able to read his poem out loud in the ancient language becuase it was "True to him" so why couldn't Murtah be wrong?

(Note: I'm not exactly thinking I'm right here but for the sake of argument - and a bit of fun...)

(Note2: But I could be right... :p :rolleyes: )

[The last sane person]

Very true, though the likelyhood of you being correct is rather puny... And I haven't read "A Wizard of Earthsea" so I wouldnt know.

[rohirrim TR]

Also, the ancient language does not prevent someone from being wrong, just from lieing (If I understand it correctly)

For exemple, Eragon was able to read his poem out loud in the ancient language becuase it was "True to him" so why couldn't Murtah be wrong?

(Note: I'm not exactly thinking I'm right here but for the sake of argument - and a bit of fun...)

(Note2: But I could be right... :p :rolleyes: )
No I think you are, IIRC if you didn't know you were lying. or thought you were telling the truth you could still speak in ancient.

[me9996]

No I think you are, IIRC if you didn't know you were lying. or thought you were telling the truth you could still speak in ancient.
Yeah, that's what I was trying to say :o

[The last sane person]

But even so, that is one large mistake to be making. And Galbatorix as it was said in the books, knew the minds, motives and activities of his forsworn to the dot on the 'i' and the cross on the 't'.

I'm pretty sure if Galbatorix informed Murtagh on the down low, it would be true... Oh!!

That brings up a new question.... Did he know of Eragon even before this all happened? It is looking like he did, he knew of Murtagh, and pretty much all the info about it. Its seeming like he would have known about Eragon.

[me9996]

If I remember corectly they only found out when they were told who Eragon said his mother was.

And your saying Gabblirox would know of the activitys of the forsworn also backs up the crackpot theory. If he did know about Eragon he would have told what's his name not let him figure it out for himself
(Espeshaly if he finds Eragon as his enemy)

But then again brom knew, that's why he was in the same town as Eragon...

But he could have found out about Eragon by hearsay

[The last sane person]

I have a theory of my own....

Morzan and Brom fought over Eragon's mum. It's obvious male rivalry. I wonder if Brom would have known about Murtagh, since he obviously knew Eragon's mother?

And I dont understand your second paragraph. Names please. And second, it says in the book that Galbatorix knew the minds, desires and actions of his servents. I'd find the quote if I weren't so lazy about it.

[Acalewia]

Morzan and Brom fought over Eragon's mum. It's obvious male rivalry. I wonder if Brom would have known about Murtagh, since he obviously knew Eragon's mother?
On that note, what if Murtagh and Eragon were only half brothers. I have had this feeling since reading Eragon the Brom was Eragon's father.

So what if Selina had a relationship with Brom and in order to hide her pregnacy went to her brother to raise the child. Galby knew about the pregancy but assumed it was Morzan's. Which leaves the question of did Brom know?

I have my own theory on who the next Rider:
I think it will be Roran. You see he knew what a dragon in flight sounded like, which brings me to the conclusion that Roran is not orginally from Carvahall. Which would mean one of two things (A) Garrow wasn't Roran's father (which is unlikely) or (B) Garrow was a Rider.

[me9996]

Intresting theory Ayra, but when did it say that Roran knew what dragonwings sounded like?

And dragonrideing doesn't seem to be nessesaraly herretitary(Sorry about my spelling)

Anyway, just something a little different, I think the cover for the next book will likely be:
Green.
I say this for the following resons:
1: They have allready covered the other primary colors of light for book covers

2: They have not even mentioned a green dragon and people usaly think of dragons as green.

3: They are going to have a new rider, that much is evedent.

[Earniel]

Except that the third primary colour aside from blue and red is... yellow. ;) But green would be a nice cover colour too.

[The last sane person]

Strange...this thread ate my post....

I think it will be green, after all that cripple dragon is gold, so the yellow color is taken. What would be awesome would be a white dragon. Ice breath or something.

[Acalewia]

I think its mentioned somewhere in Eldest the next dragon is green


but when did it say that Roran knew what dragonwings sounded like?
It's in the book. toward the end when Roran and the villagers are arriving by ship.
Roran then heard a sound he remembered from his childhood. Through the clouds broke free a sapphire colored dragon with a rider on it's back
That's the closest I could do from memory.

[me9996]

Chances are that he heard Sapphira in the first place and was never able to figure out what he had heard untill out comes Eragon...

Allthough that is an interesting point... :)

[Acalewia]

Chances are that he heard Sapphira in the first place and was never able to figure out what he had heard untill out comes Eragon...

Allthough that is an interesting point... :)
Saphira wasn't around during Roran's childhood.

[The last sane person]

Or! Maybe it was just a bloober on Christopher's part. Kinda like the Starwars bloober of Leia remembering bits about her mom, though Lucas later admited it was a foible.

[Nurvingiel]

well he was like 17 when he wrote it. :rolleyes:So what? S.E. Hinton wrote The Outsiders when she was 16, and it's a terrific book.

Just because he's 17 doesn't mean he should publish some crap he wrote on the back of a math test or whatever. :rolleyes:

I'm having a go at Eragon, not you! :) (Sometimes it's hard to tell in text, hence the disclaimer.)

[me9996]

Saphira wasn't around during Roran's childhood.
If you were say 16-20 and suddenly trust from your home into a fantacy world of extreme danger leading an entire village...

After that wouldn't you consider the time before that your childhood?

[The last sane person]

Not really. No. Saphira never went near the house when she could fly, and Roran was one of those people who had little desire to go near the Spine either. Whats more is that Saphira, even with her super dragon sense, never had seen Roran even from afar, which was why she was so keen on meeting him after the battle.

[Acalewia]

My point exactly, Shah

[The last sane person]

Hah, tag team. Yeah, I dunno, it seems to be a family business, this dragon rider lark. Who knows, maybe Roran's sweet heart'll learn how too.

[me9996]

Nah, Rorans on the other side of the family so his supposed relation to Eragon is irrelevent to dragonrideing -exept that Eragon is like a brother to him-

I'm thinking Ayra has something to do with the last dragon... Or perhaps thorn is redeemed...

[ayra]

Thorn is sworn in to Gablatorix.(sp) For life is what the book said. But is has been awhile since I read the book, so anything could be different.

[The last sane person]

I always thought that if the person you swore to was dead, it becomes null, unless you swore at their death.

[me9996]

I agree (I also said something simalar to a prevous idea conserning Murtah)

If someone is sworn in for life would the oath not end at death?

I've been reading to much old stuff... It's effecting my phrazing...

[Acalewia]

I think Murtaugh mentioned that once Galby died he and thorn would be free because he knew Murtaugh's true name, thus Galby has complete control over him

[The last sane person]

True! We dont even know if Murtagh swore anything. Galbatorix just said his name and he had to jump like a trained poodle. Or, that's what this whole name-dominion thing is giving the impression of.

[Acalewia]

That's what I understand. Durza tried it with Eragon. And iirc Brom explained the true name thing to Eragon toward the begining of Eragon.

[The last sane person]

Arya did it too, back when Eragon was being tested by the twins. Just shouted the name of silver and it came.

And speaking of the twins, my god, from the moment you first read their names (or apperant lack there of) you knew they were spies.

[me9996]

I didn't know they were spys right off, I just thought that they must of both had wierd child-hoods...

[Acalewia]

When they were first introduced as only the Twins, I had a feeling they were up to something. And during the Battle when they didn't respond to Eragon and when they weren't where they were supposed to be, I suspected they were spies. Of course, Durza popping up where they were supposed to be helped that theory.

[me9996]

The thing that bugs me about Eragon I think the most is the world is so simple...

Given a piece of paper, a pencil, and an hour I could come up with an unamed* world that is on par with that of Eragon...

Complete with inhabitants :p


*The reson for no names is that I have great trubble comeing up with names if there isn't a joke about it.

[Acalewia]

The thing that bugs me about Eragon I think the most is the world is so simple...

Given a piece of paper, a pencil, and an hour I could come up with an unamed* world that is on par with that of Eragon...

Complete with inhabitants :p


*The reson for no names is that I have great trubble comeing up with names if there isn't a joke about it.
I really think anyone could come up with an orginal fantasy world, mabe not in an hour, but i digress.

All you need is an imagination.

[ayra]

I really think anyone could come up with an orginal fantasy world, mabe not in an hour, but i digress.

All you need is an imagination.

Imagination and the time, paper, pencils/pens, and the ability to draw. If you are doing a world and inhabitants, like plants, people/aliens, and animals. You get the point. :D

[me9996]

My point was that it uses so many overused devises, I could just put a bunch of ideas in a hat and pull out a fanticy world on par with his.
(Minus geography, but that's easy: Just make at least on side of the map on an ocean and put in at least one mounten range and desert)

Now rearangeing might be in order to accomadate the story but realy, the world there is not many notable landmarks or origenal ideas.

(Maybe he shoulda' made a computer game rather than a book, nobody minds this stuff in a computer game :rolleyes: )


The best thing I can say for Eragon is that the story is addicting, I realy want to know what will happen next.

(And if I'm right about Eragon being related to Ayra in some way, and/or someone being brought back from the grave)

[Acalewia]

What is it with you and Eragon and Arya being related?

[The last sane person]

Eh, a computer game is more work actually. Even if the book is lacking in areas, it's fun to debate and try to figure out plot twists on the thread here. Hell, some of the stuff we come up with are more interesting plots then what is actually written.

[me9996]

What is it with you and Eragon and Arya being related?
Well, Well, you know how many rip-offs we talk about in Eragon even starwars!
So I find it half-logical that Eragon and Arya being related would be likely...

And it's just silly!
Other than that I don't know...

[me9996]

I just realised how similar Eragon is to star wars! (Not realy just realised but this is the first time I remebered to put it down on here.

Now this will be in spoilers due to heavy exploration of the plot.
First off the bat Eragon is a farmboy with dreams of something better, just like Luke Skywalker.

Next he becomes a hero very similar to a jedi. (An old, now gone, order now outlawed unless you serve the evil emperor(Another similarity!))

He is tought by a strange old man who turns out to belong to this old order and gets killed defending him (Just like Obi-wan)

And when the strange old man dies our hero gets sent to a stranger, older, non-human guy who is another member of the same order and he teaches the hero in the more advanced bits of the order.


Warning! 2X spoilers below!!!


He later finds out that his father who he dreamed of being someone great was in reality the evil emperors second in comand and greatest servant (Just like darth vader)

And Murtahs reveal is also similar to darth vader...

Which is why I speculate:
(In spoilers as I might be right)
The lady who he's pretty much fallen in love with turns out to be his sister (Just like princess Leia)

Murtah is redeemed in some way, killing the emperor and maybe getting killed in the prosess.

And Eragon becomes a full fledged dragonrider.

And the old dragonrider teacher dies (Which is hinted at anyway)

That's the thing about ripping off the plot of starwars, anybody who catches it can guess what you're doing next.

[orithil]

Never thought about it that way.....but your right its almost exactly like starwars.

[me9996]

Also, the evil emperor is very old and prejudiced against non-humans.

[ayra]

And he brings in others to fight his wars.
ie: clones in one and uruks in the other.

[The last sane person]

Its a rip off book, but hey, keeps us busy pointing out its falws and figuring out whats next.

[Noble Elf Lord]

Strange...this thread ate my post....

I think it will be green, after all that cripple dragon is gold, so the yellow color is taken. What would be awesome would be a white dragon. Ice breath or something. In Alagaesia, all dragons breath fire, no matter their colour. Have you read the books of Margaret Weis and Tracy Hickman? In them, the colour of the dragon tells what he/she breathes. :)

[Noble Elf Lord]

Nah, Rorans on the other side of the family so his supposed relation to Eragon is irrelevent to dragonrideing -exept that Eragon is like a brother to him-

I'm thinking Ayra has something to do with the last dragon... Or perhaps thorn is redeemed...
What do you mean, Thorn is redeemed? :confused:

[me9996]

I mean that possably Thorn is turned back to good.

Edit/P.S.
POST #144 IN THIS THREAD! GROSS!!!

[ayra]

Yes, it is a lot like Star Wars, but it is the kind of book that camoflauges(sp) all the details so you don't catch it right away. When I read it, I did not notice it was like SW until ya'll pointed it out.
If you think about it, Murtagh and Thorn have to be redeemed if the Dragon Riders are to return.

[Acalewia]

I'm with ayra. I would have never noticed if you guys hadn't pointed that out. It's also like LotR, dragonriders and WoT and prolly several other stories

[The last sane person]

In Alagaesia, all dragons breath fire, no matter their colour. Have you read the books of Margaret Weis and Tracy Hickman? In them, the colour of the dragon tells what he/she breathes. :)

Perhaps, yes, you are right. But it would get rather boring after a time. Pity they cant alternate.

[me9996]

I'm with ayra. I would have never noticed if you guys hadn't pointed that out. It's also like LotR, dragonriders and WoT and prolly several other stories
I knew about it being like most of those things, I just wanted to point out how much it was like Starwars.

[rael]

I think that murtagh and thorn will be good because of how it is written I think that because galbatorix had murtaghs true name that he was being forced against his will, and if everyone remembers murtagh hates galbatorix
and I also believe that no dragon ( in that book ) could truly be evil because a dragon is influenced by his/hers rider.

[ayra]

That is true... Hmm, I wonder if Murtagh could resist Galbatorix? Since he was forced to give him his name, of course. I never thought of that.

[Acalewia]

You know that's a good point

[Noble Elf Lord]

I think that murtagh and thorn will be good because of how it is written I think that because galbatorix had murtaghs true name that he was being forced against his will, and if everyone remembers murtagh hates galbatorix
and I also believe that no dragon ( in that book ) could truly be evil because a dragon is influenced by his/hers rider. Come to think of it, I just understood (or I suppose) that Galbatorix´s dragon could kill him (this isn´t a spoiler, it´s just a guess) because their relationship is not the way it´s with others. It is but a rotten copy and shade of the true Dragonrider bond. :( So that dragon (who was it ?) would not die even though Galbatorix perished. :)
I believe Murtagh and Thorn will survive and be a part of the rebuilt Dragonrider culture.

[Acalewia]

Shruikan. My thinking is when or if Galby is finally killed, he will be free, but will prolly die himself. iirc, Galby killed Shruikan's Rider to have him as his replacement dragon, binding Shrukian to him with black magic. Unless there is a way for him to survive without a Rider.

*Edited*

[ayra]

Shruikan. My thinking is when or if Galby is finally killed, She will be free, but will prolly die herself. iirc, Galby killed Shruikan's Rider to have her as his replacement dragon, binding her to him with black magic. Unless there is a way for her to survive without a Rider. Correct me if I'm wrong about the gender and I'll edit that.

Actually, I thought it was a he.
Brom lived after his dragon was killed, so why can't a dragon do the same if his/her Rider was killed? So, I think it's possible for Shruikan to be good and live after Galbatorix. Right now, almost anything is possible, you know.

[Acalewia]

Actually, I thought it was a he.
Brom lived after his dragon was killed, so why can't a dragon do the same if his/her Rider was killed? So, I think it's possible for Shruikan to be good and live after Galbatorix. Right now, almost anything is possible, you know.
Ok he. But I believe Brom himself said that a Rider can live on after his Dragon's death, but when a Rider dies so does his Dragon.

[Noble Elf Lord]

Ok he. But I believe Brom himself said that a Rider can live on after his Dragon's death, but when a Rider dies so does his Dragon. True. Now let us suppose that the bond between a rider and a dragon is elf/dragon magic, and thus ancient and extremely hard to break. And Galby could, hm, shall we say, make a knot of the broken bond between Shruikan and his rider to Shruikan and himself. I mean, I knew he was powerful, but... :(

[Acalewia]

But is he as powerful as an Elf?

[me9996]

But is he as powerful as an Elf?
Yes. If he wasn't the elves would have been able to stand up to him a long time ago (Possably even preventing the fall of the dragonriders) and there wouldn't be any story left for poor Eragon.

[Acalewia]

Yes. If he wasn't the elves would have been able to stand up to him a long time ago (Possably even preventing the fall of the dragonriders) and there wouldn't be any story left for poor Eragon.
I really think his madness helped with the fall of the Dragonriders. I guess the Elves were powerless against Galby's madness, if you put it that way. The Forsworn aided Galby, thus 14 powerful Riders vs. The elves. But I still don't see how 14 could have caused the downfall of the Riders when the weakest elf was stronger than the strongest man? :confused:

[me9996]

Dragonriders aren't included in elves being stronger than men...

But then again the dragonriders of either race weren't exactly human or elvish.

[Beren3000]

I seem to have walked in on an ongoing discussion here, but I just had to give my opinion about this book.
It was highly unoriginal, but who can blame the poor guy? I once read a saying that goes more or less like: "most modern fantasy just rearranges the furniture in Tolkien's attic". I think there are only so many fantasy "archetypes" that it takes a true genius to write something original in that vein nowadays.
That said, I still enjoyed the book!

[ayra]

Ok he. But I believe Brom himself said that a Rider can live on after his Dragon's death, but when a Rider dies so does his Dragon.

May I ask, where?

I still think Galby's dragon could live, since his original Rider was killed and he still survived. I mean, even though Galby has him strung to him by magic, I think he could still live... Just me here thinking... I am not very sure that would work, anyway.

[Acalewia]

Dragonriders aren't included in elves being stronger than men...

But then again the dragonriders of either race weren't exactly human or elvish.
You have a point...

[Noble Elf Lord]

I still think Galby's dragon could live, since his original Rider was killed and he still survived. I mean, even though Galby has him strung to him by magic, I think he could still live... Just me here thinking... I am not very sure that would work, anyway.

I thought at first it´d work, but then again poor Shruikan, being a rider dragon, needs a rider. Pity. :(

[me9996]

Well he survived his first rider being killed, why shouldn't he survive Gabble-lox being killed?
Espeshaly as Gabbelgy bound Shruikan worse bonds of magic than "normal" dragon-riders, and maybe Sheep-skin is tired of...

Okay, maybe I should wright down the spelling of this stuff.

[ayra]

Well he survived his first rider being killed, why shouldn't he survive Gabble-lox being killed?
Espeshaly as Gabbelgy bound Shruikan worse bonds of magic than "normal" dragon-riders, and maybe Sheep-skin is tired of...

Okay, maybe I should wright down the spelling of this stuff.
I think you need a spell-checker on that. :D
I think Shruikan could live if Galby dies.
It'd drive me nuts if Murtagh and Thorn die still on Galby's side. I'm not kidding.

[Acalewia]

It'd drive me nuts if Murtagh and Thorn die still on Galby's side. I'm not kidding.
I can't help but agree with you on that

[ayra]

I can't help but agree with you on that
Yeah, I mean, you would think that they would join Eragon and if they die, it would be on the side of good, not evil.
They have to help Eragon defeat Galby if he's to defeat him at all. Eragon cannot do it on his own.

[Acalewia]

True and with Murtaugh being Eragon's brother I would think he would side with Eragon since they were friends long before Murtaugh became a Rider. Wishful thinking?

[ayra]

Nope. At least I don't think it is. At the end of the second book, Murtagh let Eragon go because they had been friends and he could not let Galby get him. At least that is what I think.

[durinsbane2244]

i've got a point to make and a question.

isn't it rather feeble how silly Eragon's powers are getting? ok, you can't fight anyone worth anything. well, after some practice, you are now the GREATEST HUMAN SWORDSMAN IN THE WORLD (him and Murtagh)! so you've been cripples and can't beat a snotty elf? no problem! naked chicks with tatoos will dance and you'll be an elf-hybrid who's super-powerful even more so! can't keep your stamina up? you can store your energy in this belt! blah blah blah...

anyway, the question. why do you think Galbatorix's power has been growing rather than diminishing? dun dun dun...

[me9996]

Well, the only point I have to disagree with you on the point of Murtagh being Eragons equil as a swordsman.

Murtagh only won that fight because Eragon was all tired out from spoilery battle.

[Acalewia]

DB, you're a mess.

But you state a very good question. I agree with me, Eragon was already tired from using his magic over the course of a battle, Murtaugh had not. In the first book, CP says they are equal. I'm sure they are still equal.

[The last sane person]

No way they are still equal. Murtagh could keep up with a dragon rider even as he was not one himself, and he knew more about magic than Eragon did from the begining, he just couldn't use it. Now he has a dragon, he should be waaaay far above Eragon, whom btw, is the ultimate wimpy superhero ever.

[Acalewia]

I digress. I didn't think about that.

Maybe if he would quit pining for a certan elf...

[me9996]

No way they are still equal. Murtagh could keep up with a dragon rider even as he was not one himself, and he knew more about magic than Eragon did from the begining, he just couldn't use it. Now he has a dragon, he should be waaaay far above Eragon, whom btw, is the ultimate wimpy superhero ever.
Nah, spoilers for explanation the thing at the moon-fest or whatever it was not only healed Eragon it gave him much of the strenth, dextarity, agility, and observation skills of an elf -makeing him a better warrior than Murtagh.

Realy, the only reson I could think of for makeing elves so powerful would be the lack of aging and a long... long... long time to practice their skills.

But the writer made the elves super-human in all respects, I don't like it.

[durinsbane2244]

um, in response to a few posts up there, yeah, it says in the first book that he's Murtagh's equal in swordplay, and i said that up there. (read the sentance! parenthetically stated, doncha know!)

also, i'd bet that they're still equal. if they were the same, Eragon got pumped up from the elves and Murtagh from Galbatorix, so i agree that Eragon only lost from fatigue.

i still think it's corny how CP keeps making him so powerful, though...

;)

[suncrafter]

The movie was disappointing to me. :(

[Acalewia]

um, in response to a few posts up there, yeah, it says in the first book that he's Murtagh's equal in swordplay, and i said that up there. (read the sentance! parenthetically stated, doncha know!)

also, i'd bet that they're still equal. if they were the same, Eragon got pumped up from the elves and Murtagh from Galbatorix, so i agree that Eragon only lost from fatigue.

i still think it's corny how CP keeps making him so powerful, though...

;)
Smartass :p

[durinsbane2244]

emphasis on the first syllable, i trust. :rolleyes:

[me9996]

(A great deal of this post is in spoilers due to a great amount of book two spoilers)

Well, just to try to settle the Eragon/Murtagh power debate:

The elves magic made Eragon the better swordsman by giveing him the streng and reflexes of an elf, he has also learned all the traditional dragon-rider secrets.

Murtagh it seems hasn't improved as a swordsman nearly as much (if at all) by being a dragonrider, but Gabbly-goo's teaching has evedently improved his magic much better than Eragon's.

I'm pretty sure that this is right.

They're both overpowered but still in different ways.

[ayra]

Murtagh's magic is different than Eragon's. If you'll remember, What's-His-Name, Oromis, taught Eragon differently. Murtagh told Eragon that he had learned secrets, and Eragon said that they should remain secrets... Blah, blah, whatever.

Eragon most likely could beat Murtagh if he wasn't tired...

[me9996]

On the contrary: Murtaghs magic
Overwelmed all the dwarf mages to kill the dwarf king

That would take alot of might!

Might that -even with the fancy belt- Eragon does not have.

[ayra]

Remember, Murtagh had not been in battle yet, so he had all his energy.
He probaly did not use a spell that took alot of energy.

I still think, that, if Eragon had not fought in the battle, he could have overwhelmed Murtagh.

Why is it that the evil ones are always fresh to fight those on the side of good, and those on the side on good are not? Besides the fact that they help fight.
Are the bad guys chicken? They act as if they are... :p

[me9996]

Ah, ut Murthagh overwelmed all the dwarf mages wards with that spell, it seemed to be that they keeled over from overuse of magic to me (Puting way to many wards on the king and then the king getting blasted)

And remember: The dwarves had just arrived, they hadn't been fighting all day long!
And secondly: As to bad guys allways being into a fight with the good guys?

Bad guys let their soldiers get killed in order to wear down their oponents and they themselves hide untill they come out and fight the hero -dispite their aparent strength-

Heros on the other hand fight on the front lines of the battle.
Tireing themselves greatly, but saveing many lives

[Acalewia]

Why is it that the evil ones are always fresh to fight those on the side of good, and those on the side on good are not? Besides the fact that they help fight.
Are the bad guys chicken? They act as if they are... :p
Yep :D

[ayra]

But Murtagh was fresh, too. And he had a Dragon. Not to mention that he was a Dragon Rider.

Star Wars, Eragon, and The Lord of the Rings all their bad guys hide like little chickens whilest the good guys all fight and be the hero of the day. I'd say they were dumb.
I mean, if the bad guy wanted everyone to follow them, why don't they get out there and make everyone worship them?

[Acalewia]

I mean, if the bad guy wanted everyone to follow them, why don't they get out there and make everyone worship them?
They threaten everyone "follow me or else" kinda thing. I think that is a bit cowardly.

[ayra]

They threaten everyone "follow me or else" kinda thing. I think that is a bit cowardly.
No kidding...
They would never admit it, but, they are cowards.

[Acalewia]

True, if they admitted it then they wouldn't have anyone to lord over :D

[ayra]

Well, then to solve this problem, why not they get busy and look like heroes?
Then, if they end up backing out of just one fight, they would be called cowards openly, and they would just back off and let the real hero to do the work.
Of course, they then have to kill the hero to get the people to obey them so they can be in charge.

[Acalewia]

It's hard work being a bad guy :p :p :D

[ayra]

It's hard work being a bad guy :p :p :D
Yeah right. :rolleyes:
(yick! 90 sec rule!)

[Earniel]

I've read Eldest during the holidays. It was better at holding my interest than Eragon, but I continually see more Star Wars parallels. I thought the whole romance between Eragon and Arya was rather boring and artificial. Not very many interesting characters in the book, either. And far too little about Sapphira, you'd think if Eragon and her are one, then Paolini could have written a bit more about her training too. But I quite liked the unashamed fairy forest-feel of Ellesméra, it taps straight into the childhood memories.

I wasn't very impressed with Murtagh's deflection. He spends the entire first book trying to convince people that he's good, the first time we see him again in the second book, oh he's suddenly working for the evil side. Looks rather silly.

[The last sane person]

Yeah, it was a rather daft book for me, waaay to ripped off and rushed. But that said, I hate being in the dark, once I pick up a series book, regardless of what it turns out to be like. That said, any idea on when the last one is coming out?

[ayra]

I wish I knew...

I also wish that I knew more about Saphira's trianing, also...
I don't like people making me rush, so maybe that is the matter with Eldest. Maybe the public should be patient and let whats-his-name finish his book the way he wants it. That's my thoughts on it.

[Acalewia]

I know he's still writing it but no word yet on a tentive release date or a title. CP's asking the fans to bear with him.

[ayra]

I know he's still writing it but no word yet on a tentive release date or a title. CP's asking the fans to bear with him.
I would too. If they made me hurry, it would not be a good book.
(That silly 90 sec rule! :mad: )

[Acalewia]

Very true. If it's rushed, you can tell and it would be a very disappointing ending to the trilogy.

[ayra]

Not only that, but I'd as well write him and ask him to re-write it.
Who doesn't want a well written book? I don't think anyone does.

[Noble Elf Lord]

Did you know that the name Hrothgar has been taken from the Anglo-saxon saga "Beowulf"? In that story, Hrothgar is a (human) king, whose house of feasts is plagued by the monster Grendel. A young warrior Beowulf promises to kill Grendel, and soon does so. But that is no good, for Grendel´s mother avenges for its son, killing the king´s best friend. Again, Beo says he´ll slay the beast. He goes to the beast´s lake, but his sword is no use against the scales of the Monster. In the bottom he sees a sword of sufficient might, and so the Monster is dead. Sometime afterwards Beo becomes a king somewhere else.

I´d like to hear variations about this story, should anyone know them. :D :cool: Thanks.

[Earniel]

I thought Beowulf is a very well known saga. But I'm unfamiliar with existing different versions. If I'm not mistaken, the poem of Beowulf was 'discovered' from an ancient text, not from passed down, oral, traditional tales, which are far more likely to have deviating versions.

The Poem goes on after the slaying of Grendel and his mother, to Beowulf becoming King and eventually fighting single-handedly against a dragon. An interesting tidbit, if I recall correctly: the dragon supposedly woke up and went on rampage after someone stole into its lair when it slept and removed an expensive goblet. Does that ring a bell? *coughthehobbitcough*

Anyway, Beowulf is definitely worth a read, if you haven't so far. It's absolutely a great poem.

[Noble Elf Lord]

Thanks, Eärniel. But right now I´m doing a big job on reading:trying to earn a high school diploma on books. 18 books to read, though I have read two of them before. The diploma is also meant to expand one´s variation of genres they´re reading. Kafka, Finnish Päätalo, and even Tolkien´s The Hobbit, just to mention very few. :D :cool:

[Earniel]

Heheh, no pressure. Beowulf has been around for a few centuries, it won't hurt to wait a while before you can get at it. ;)

[Acalewia]

Here's a press release (www.alagaesia.com/kvetha/paolini_announcement.pdf) from Random House about Inheritance

[ayra]

Here's a press release (www.alagaesia.com/kvetha/paolini_announcement.pdf) from Random House about Inheritance
Now we have to wait for two more books instead of one. Oh well, I guess we can handle it, right? :rolleyes:

[Earniel]

Four books instead of three? Oooh, the cheeky devil. But I can say one thing, if he's going the way of Jordan's Wheel of Time, I'm definitely not going to bother to buy it.

[ayra]

Four books instead of three? Oooh, the cheeky devil. But I can say one thing, if he's going the way of Jordan's Wheel of Time, I'm definitely not going to bother to buy it.

Wheel of Time? What is that about?

[Earniel]

That's a fantasy series that kept expanding over the years. And each time you'd think the author was writing the last book, you'd find he kept on going and going, sometimes filling whole books with what's essentually a sideplot. So people who picked up that series found they still had to read another and another and then yet another book if they ever wanted to know how the thing ends. The series currently spans 11 volumes I think (we're talking volumes here, each book is as thick as the one-book LoTR edition), the end of the series will no doubt be published posthumously as Robert Jordan died earlier this year before.

[ayra]

Then I probaly would not like to mess with it...

[Acalewia]

I gave it up around book 9.

I hope CP doesn't do that. I would really hate him to burn himself out with his world.

[me9996]

I hope he sticks to a trilogy in four parts... Hmm... Where have I heard that before?
HITCHHIKERS GUIDE TO THE GALAXY!!!
At least this will give him a chance to use the primary colors of both ink and light.

But then, if there is something good to be said about Eragon, it is that Eragon always leaves you wanting more


P.S.
The primary colors are different for ink and light.
Ink= Blue, Red, Yellow. Light= Blue, Red, Green.

[Acalewia]

IT'S GOT A TITLE!!!

Book Three will be called Brisingr and Glaedr will be on the cover

[The last sane person]

Whose Glaedr again? I can't be arsed to look it up.

[Acalewia]

The gold dragon from Eldest

[me9996]

Ah, so the book cover will be yellow...:(

Here's hoping the fourth'll be green!:D

[ayra]

It is good, but not good enough for me to buy.... I just borrow from friends or sit in the mall at Barns and Nobles and read it. Don't have enough money.

[me9996]

I read the third book (a took a realy long time to get around to posting this!)

I thought the name was kinda' weird, and even with what it turned out to be it is still a little weird!

Allthough, after reading the third book (the name of which I cannot spell) I retract my claim of building a world on par with Pauloni (SP?) in an hour... Maybe a week to let ideas ferment but not an hour...

Oh, and I thought Pauloni (SP?) is getting better at this book writing stuff!
Compared to the other books the third one is great!:D

Edit: Oops one more thing, but this is spoilers
I thought it was funny that even though what's his face wasn't Eragon's father that his real father was a dragonrider anyway! So his half-brother is a dragonrider, his father is a dragonrider, his half-brothers father was a dragonrider, and he is a dragonrider.
It's still funny!!!
Ooh, maybe his mother was a former dragonrider?

[Nurvingiel]

I don't understand the appeal of these books at all. I don't even know why this derivative, badly written mess was even published in the first place, for any other reason than the publisher smelled money in that pile of crap.

I've read the first one. I am baffled as to its popularity. It offers absolutely nothing original, the characters are unlikeable, and the plot doesn't even make sense (total lack of logic, physics, and basic human motivations). I just don't get it folks. :confused: