New versions of 4 5 and 6

[Valaru]

I know this subject was touched on in the star wars DVD thread, but..

How do you feel about the changes made in the new DVD releases?

SPOILER (if you have been living under a rock)







like young anakin in the ghost trio, the Emporor revealling that Luke is Darth Vaders son (hence Vader is Anakin) before that dramatic scene in cloud city.

My opinion is when he re-released star wars with the touch ups some extra footage, it was cool no problem.

With these new changes I feel he has taken my childhood memories torn them up and stomped on them.

I do understand they are his movies, his property, but to alter such a classic....

[brownjenkins]

i don't like the changes all that much... not just because they are changes, i can deal with that... nothing's sacred in my mind... but the father scene definitely worked best where it was... especially since that trilogy is still where most people will start who have never seen the series before

[Millane]

i loved most of the changed, especially having Hayden there... Didnt know how i would feel but ive come round like i knew i would. Now if they totally "re-****ed" Vaders face at the end i would have been pissed, as far as i know they just took his eyebrows (those monsters :D )

[thranduil]

i think he is a fool and should not have made changes

[BeardofPants]

I like them. I didn't think I would, but overall, I do. And thinking about it, how cool is it having jarjar on the end of ep 6?? :D Haha, jarjar haters, neener, neener, neener. :p

Paul!! *hugs* :D

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[azalea]

He made the Emperor reveal Darth is Luke's father? What the? He's crazy! :mad:

[BeardofPants]

I'll have to watch the scene again... I don't remember there being too much of a spoiler on that scene, other than that Luke was the son of Anakin. :confused:

[Lief Erikson]

My sister and I loved how they dubbed in the young Anakin.

I think it's difficult to say how many people will start with watching the Original Trilogy rather then Episode 1. I do believe it's marvelous that they placed that connection, though. It is the most definite link between the past and present that has been added in, and the Original Trilogy definitely can use those links.

The two trilogies are so far separate in technology that the more bonded Special Editions can make them, the better, as far as I'm concerned :). However, I am glad they didn't replace Alec Guiness with Ewen McGregor.

Did anyone notice their changing the transmission of Emperor Palpatine in "The Empire Strikes Back"? Another good connection to the prequels, in my opinion :).

The main special effect that annoyed me was during the part in Episode 4, while Luke and Obi-Wan were in their landspeeder. Most of those big monsters and additions to Mos Eisley were great, but at the scene where they meet the Sandtroopers and droids are rolling across in front of them, those droids didn't seem at all real. To me, they looked very imposed upon the picture, somewhat like screensavers.

So that bit bugged me. Aside from that though, I'm happy :).

[Wayfarer]

Lucas is nuts.

[Lief Erikson]

Lucas is nuts. :mad: You're insufferable ;).

[Wayfarer]

You noticed! :D

[hectorberlioz]

i think he is a fool and should not have made changes
An idiotic move on his part, I agree. I havent seen the added scenes, but I know I wont like them.

[Millane]

An idiotic move on his part, I agree. I havent seen the added scenes, but I know I wont like them. you wont know until youve seen them... What about having Temeura Morrison dubbed over Boba?
i liked it :D

[dawningoftime]

I don't like some of the Changes in Empire Strikes back. I have a problem with that scene between the Emperor and Darth Vador and how he reworked the dialogue. It takes some of the emotional suspense out of that first dual between Luke and Darth Vador.

[Lenya]

I do not think they should remake them. I mean those movies are the best, and part of what makes them so cool, is the fact that they are so old yet they do not suck.

Ps: I love old movies. Have any of you seen the first Tarzan movie (black and white) ? It is so funny :D It is really worth watching.

[Lenya]

Lucas is nuts.

So what. He is the best!

[Lief Erikson]

you wont know until youve seen them... What about having Temeura Morrison dubbed over Boba?
i liked it :D
Definitely. That's something I forgot to mention; I really enjoyed that part. All of the new connections to the prequels I really appreciate.

[Lief Erikson]

An idiotic move on his part, I agree. I havent seen the added scenes, but I know I wont like them.
If you know beforehand you won't like them, then the chances are you won't like them. People can convince themselves of things. That's one reason why children don't like certain kinds of food when they try them: because they decide beforehand they won't like them.

Hectorberlioz, YOU WILL LIKE THE NEW SPECIAL EDITION SCENES! (Gets a weird mumbly voice) It is the future I see . . .

[Elessar the Elfstone]

In that transmission scene where the emporor only says Luke is the son of anikain skywalker which is telling the audiance what they allready know
remember if your watching these films for the first time you don't know vader and anikian are the same person so it doesn't spoil anything

and in the original scene the empoeror says that luke is anikian's son it's just worded slightly differently its just because the entire scene has been redone that anybody has noticed.

and can anyone tell me why they redid the digital stuff that was on the VHS special edition like the scene in ANH between Jabba and han, and the duback outside the cantina why have they redone them again again?

[azalea]

Hopefully because that scene was terrible. In RotJ, Jabba is huge and stationary. Then in the inserted scene in ANH, he's small and moving around. I guess he could have grown bigger, but no explanation was given, so at the time, it just looked sloppy. However, I haven't seen how they redid it, so I can't really comment on that.

[mithrand1r]

I know this subject was touched on in the star wars DVD thread, but..

How do you feel about the changes made in the new DVD releases?

I have not seen the new DVD. I wish that Lucas gave the user the option to see the edited version of the film or the original theatrical version on the same DVD.

I probably will not get the "new" DVDs although I may rent them at some point.

[Lief Erikson]

Hopefully because that scene was terrible. In RotJ, Jabba is huge and stationary. Then in the inserted scene in ANH, he's small and moving around. I guess he could have grown bigger, but no explanation was given, so at the time, it just looked sloppy. However, I haven't seen how they redid it, so I can't really comment on that.
I only saw the original releases of those parts once. From what I recall though, there was no great difference. Like you, I'm annoyed with the version of Jabba that's different from the one in Return of the Jedi. I'm annoyed at being annoyed too, for I hate being annoyed :(. The RotJ Jabba was a strong entity. He looked like a powerful, evil figure. The CGI looked far wimpier. In fact, in the scenes that included the CGI, he was a lot wimpier.

I really like almost all the new scenes, though. (Sighs happily)

[Arathorn]

With the young Anakin replacing the old one as a ghost on the DVD version, all I can say as a collector is: "I'll be buying some more VCDs (these have the old Sebastian Shaw ghost) now since their sell value will go up."

[Lief Erikson]

With the young Anakin replacing the old one as a ghost on the DVD version, all I can say as a collector is: "I'll be buying some more VCDs (these have the old Sebastian Shaw ghost) now since their sell value will go up."
Good plan.

[Lenya]

With the young Anakin replacing the old one as a ghost on the DVD version, all I can say as a collector is: "I'll be buying some more VCDs (these have the old Sebastian Shaw ghost) now since their sell value will go up."


I hate it when poeple go and change things they're not suppose to :mad:
I think they should never have modified it in the first place. The movies are classics and they should not be tempered with!

[Lief Erikson]

I hate it when poeple go and change things they're not suppose to :mad:
I think they should never have modified it in the first place. The movies are classics and they should not be tempered with!
They're the ones who made the classics. I think it's well within their rights to adjust them to more fully meet George Lucas' vision. From the start George Lucas wanted them to have more Special Effects, and he was frustrated by his limitations. Many of the changes were made in order to bind the last three movies more to the prequels, which I think is also acceptable. Anyway, I just disagree with you :).

[Lenya]

Very well, disagree with me. I still think the first ones are the best :)
(my oppinion)

[HOBBIT]

Do you think that Lucas will never release the Original Original trilogy on dvd (or whatever the current pop format is at the time) ever?

[BeardofPants]

Nope.

[HOBBIT]

Well that's a shame. Except for seeing part of the originals on TV, I haven't really seen the original originals.

I first saw the 1997 SE Star Wars trilogy and bought those videos.


I'm trying to get those LD rips so I can see it how everyone saw the movies when they were first released. Already got the original "A New Hope" :) :D

[HOBBIT]

As for the whole new Emperor-Vader scene in ESB, it is unfortuante, but it makes sense the way that Lucas wants the films to be viewed.


He wants people to see the films 1-6 not 4,5, 6 , 1, 2,3.


In Ep 3 we do see Anakin become Vader, put on the Vader suit, etc.

For those who watch it 1-6, they will have no mention of any "anakin" in ep 4. When the emperor says that "luke is the son of Anakin Skywalker," they will immediately know that Vader is Lukes father.

They still find out in the same movie, just at a different spot.

[Lief Erikson]

In Ep 3 we do see Anakin become Vader, put on the Vader suit, etc.
And we get James Earl Jones' voice :D. The same voice as in the originals will be in Episode 3. That is exciting :D.
For those who watch it 1-6, they will have no mention of any "anakin" in ep 4. When the emperor says that "luke is the son of Anakin Skywalker," they will immediately know that Vader is Lukes father.

They still find out in the same movie, just at a different spot.
Yeah. It seems like it wouldn't be much of a secret though, for watchers of the originals. Leia and Luke being sister and brother, and Vader being the father will probably not be nearly so great of surprises. There will probably be lots of people guessing that, who watch it 1-6. That's a little sad, but a cost worth taking to have the whole arch of the story revealed before you :). I'm going to have to consider seriously which version to present my children with. 4-6 and then 1-3, or 1-6 in the beginning? Interesting question, and I'll have to think on it.

[Elemmírë]

Lief, I would personally start with 4-6. Then possibly go 1-6...

I am not exactly a fan of the new movies :D , but I believe there are few... cinematical experiences akin to what one can get out of watching the original trilogy through. One of my friends had never seen them before and somehow had not known anything about them, and watching her watch the three movies, and seeing her absolute shock at learning who Luke's father was, and her relief at finding out that the Han-Leia-Luke dynamic was not so impossible or complicated...

It's an experience I would not want to take away from anyone.

[Lief Erikson]

How old are your children going to be before they see the films, though? Younger viewers, I believe tend to like the prequels at least as much as the originals.

[Elemmírë]

You're talking about showing your children movies... that's why I thought you were older! Is there something I should know, Lief...? :D

Maybe so. But my other argument still stands. To me, it seems that the originals are meant to be watched first.

This is, btw, a sad debate. :D

[Lief Erikson]

You're talking about showing your children movies... that's why I thought you were older! Is there something I should know, Lief...? :D
:p :D (Sniffs) Isn't a chap allowed to project toward the future in peace?
Maybe so. But my other argument still stands. To me, it seems that the originals are meant to be watched first.
In today's society though, spoilers are near impossible to avoid. I know because even though my siblings and myself saw the Original Series at quite an early age, that didn't stop us from happening upon spoilers beforehand :eek: . One possible argument is that children ought to be shown the movies before they will get spoilers. Anyway, children really like the Original Series at a young age. I massively enjoyed great Star Wars games that were inspired by the Original Series as a youngster, and I still enjoy those things as an old man. :p So if they're going to see Star Wars at a younger age, avoiding spoilers and gaining fun times in youth, wouldn't it be easier to simply show them the prequels first?

I do think I agree with you though that a later viewer, an adult or teenager or something who has somehow managed to never see Star Wars, should probably start with the Original Series.

[Elemmírë]

:p :D (Sniffs) Isn't a chap allowed to project toward the future in peace?

Only if said chap does not confuse the lass who's trying to figure out how old he is. :p

In today's society though, spoilers are near impossible to avoid. I know because even though my siblings and myself saw the Original Series at quite an early age, that didn't stop us from happening upon spoilers beforehand :eek: . One possible argument is that children ought to be shown the movies before they will get spoilers. Anyway, children really like the Original Series at a young age. I massively enjoyed great Star Wars games that were inspired by the Original Series as a youngster, and I still enjoy those things as an old man. :p So if they're going to see Star Wars at a younger age, avoiding spoilers and gaining fun times in youth, wouldn't it be easier to simply show them the prequels first?

Star Wars games! Memories! :D

And how old you are, you geezer. :p

When we first saw the trilogy, my brother and I were so young that we get half of it wrong. I thought that Alderaan was Earth, for example, and he thought that the battle in the first Death Star between stormtroopers and Our Heroes took place on top of two buildings... Weird...

Hm. Why do they need to be shown the prequels first? Unless you made a typo above, you just said that they enjoy the Original Series at a young age. Why not just show that? New movies optional afterwards.

[Lief Erikson]

Because for someone younger, watching the whole thing in an arch would in my opinion be more enjoyable. They would be seeing all the connections, all the interworkings. In their opinions, the prequel series would be just as good as the original series. Possibly better! I know that if I liked the prequels all just as much as the originals, I would wish to have seen them in that order also. Maybe that's just me, but in my opinion, the prequels would be enjoyed as much as the originals by the younger audience, and thus seeing the whole thing in the epic arch George Lucas is seeking to make it into would be an amazing experience.

[Elemmírë]

Well. Then it looks like we have two choices.

1) Show children all 6 in their chronological order at a young age and possibly ruin the extra appeal of the original trilogy.

2) Wait until the children are somewhat older and let them see the original trilogy, spoilers or no. Perhaps they wouldn't get the same enjoyment out of the new movies (if any at all), but hey; no big loss, at least in my mind. ;)

Or is there a third choice I'm missing?

[Lief Erikson]

Those are the choices available from my perspective. I won't claim that my perspective is correct. Perhaps I'm wrong and most young children actually love the prequels far more then the originals. There are all sorts of ways my initial assumptions might be wrong, but I don't think they are. Going from my initial assumptions, those two options are the main visible ones.

[Elemmírë]

Mine too.

Which means... which one is better? I say the second choice, obviously. I'll wait to pass "judgement" until after the final movie comes out, but I honestly don't think that watching the new movies is all that important. After all, the original trilogy stood by itself for decades...

btw, I just decoded your sig. Hilarious, and yet so fitting! :D

[HOBBIT]

who knows if the original trilogy would even hold up to future generations of kids. it looks like an old movie. it is also becoming increasingly more "nerdy" to like star wars and the like now and "not cool"

Kids probably like the PT better or the same as the OT because it has the new feel to it.......better special effects, cgi, way more intense lightsaber battles than the OT, actors/actresses they are familiar with, etc.



To the question of how to view the films and how to show them to kids- it really depends on how good ep III is. If it is amazing and does a great job of linking the trilogies, then I'd go with 1-6.


If you do opt to show 4-6 first, then you should probably show the original originals, or as close as you can get. Already with the 2004 edition you get things that change the original feeling - new emperor/vader scene, Hayden at end, Greedo shooting first, etc.

By the times you have kids another edition with further changes on the OT will most likely be out.

[Elemmírë]

who knows if the original trilogy would even hold up to future generations of kids. it looks like an old movie. it is also becoming increasingly more "nerdy" to like star wars and the like now and "not cool"


Er... hm... I guess I can't really gainsay that... :o

I don't know if I agree with you on the actors, HOBBIT. Quality of acting aside... :rolleyes: well, Harrison Ford is still well enough known. I'm 18, and I neither know nor care for most of the actors in the new trilogy.

[HOBBIT]

Well, there is Natalie Portman. Samuel Jackson. Liam Nessan. Ewan McGregor. etc.

Harrisson Ford is pretty well known with our generation (im an older teen as well ;)), but I'm talking future generations here. Ford's movie career is more or less over. I'm hoping he'll be in Indiana Jones 4 though.

[Lief Erikson]

who knows if the original trilogy would even hold up to future generations of kids. it looks like an old movie. it is also becoming increasingly more "nerdy" to like star wars and the like now and "not cool"
I'm rather stunned to hear that. I'm not really convinced it's true, though. I know of very few people that don't like Star Wars. It's the abnormal thing in America to not know and love Star Wars. Star Wars is ingrained in the American culture.
Kids probably like the PT better or the same as the OT because it has the new feel to it.......better special effects, cgi, way more intense lightsaber battles than the OT, actors/actresses they are familiar with, etc.
Referring to Ewen Mcgregor and Liam Neeson, I suppose? Remember though, the Original Series had . . . oh, it's too late at night! I don't remember his name at this hour. But anyway, it had the extremely famous and loved actor who played Obi-Wan Kenobi. The new movies also have mainly new actors in them, just as the Original Series did.
To the question of how to view the films and how to show them to kids- it really depends on how good ep III is. If it is amazing and does a great job of linking the trilogies, then I'd go with 1-6.
I'm sure it'll be great. "Attack of the Clones" was better then "The Phantom Menace," and I expect this climax film to be better yet. It can't help but be great, anyway :D. It's Star Wars :evil: . We (speaking for the American public) love Star Wars :D.
If you do opt to show 4-6 first, then you should probably show the original originals, or as close as you can get. Already with the 2004 edition you get things that change the original feeling - new emperor/vader scene, Hayden at end, Greedo shooting first, etc.

By the times you have kids another edition with further changes on the OT will most likely be out.
Hmm. Maybe. I don't think I'd mind that, if it did happen. The more fully they bring the Original Series up to speed on special effects, the better, in my opinion. I'm 100% in favor of the changes and the bonding of the series.

There are a few changes I didn't like. I hate to not like things, but just a few of the changes I didn't care for. Greedo shooting first, for example. Han's conversation with Jabba wasn't so great to me either, because I love the "Return of the Jedi" Jabba. That Jabba was so evil and slimy and big and revolting :D. And dark. The new Jabba had my younger brother laughing- the same younger brother who used to hide behind sofas when the other Jabba had his scenes show up. :( So that's a bit disappointing.

I don't like to dwell on what disappoints me at all, though. I just accept what I don't enjoy with as much grace as I can manage and be ecstatic about the rest :D. I love, love, love Star Wars. 1-6. Sure the prequels aren't perfect, but I still can embrace them as part of an awesome saga, and I still enjoy them greatly :). I'm extremely glad they were made.
btw, I just decoded your sig. Hilarious, and yet so fitting! :D
Glad you like it :). What do you mean by "fitting", though, may I ask?

[Lief Erikson]

Well, there is Natalie Portman. Samuel Jackson. Liam Nessan. Ewan McGregor. etc.
Natalie Portman I don't believe was at all well known before Star Wars. She'd been in a few things, but not much at all.

I did forget about Sam Jackson, though. You're right- he's big.
I'm 18, and I neither know nor care for most of the actors in the new trilogy.
No complaints here at all about the acting in the prequels :). The scripts could do with a bit of touching up in a few places, but the performances were great :). So I just flat out disagree :D. I don't care to argue the point, though, for it'd be very tough to argue when it's more a matter of personal likes and dislikes.

[Elemmírë]

Glad you like it :). What do you mean by "fitting", though, may I ask?

Too tired to debate at all... 3am... trying to function.

I mean I looked up all the words and they made sense and sort of explained who Christians believe Jesus was in an incredibly pedantic and therefore amusing way. The pedantic part not being the "fitting" part, but the "wow, hilarious" part...

[Lief Erikson]

Okay, thanks for explaining :).

[Earniel]

who knows if the original trilogy would even hold up to future generations of kids. it looks like an old movie. it is also becoming increasingly more "nerdy" to like star wars and the like now and "not cool"

Kids probably like the PT better or the same as the OT because it has the new feel to it.......better special effects, cgi, way more intense lightsaber battles than the OT, actors/actresses they are familiar with, etc.
Old movies have their attraction too. I don't see Star Wars loose their fan base soon. And I think that watching Star Wars today is considered a lot less nerdy then it used to be.

[HOBBIT]

I have my originals on DVD now :D


Anyway, I went back to here the original emperor - vader talk. It is not that different from the changed one. The big diff being replacing the original actor with Ian Mcdiarmid and mentioning the name "Anakin"


I wrote down what they said:

vader- what is thy bidding, my master?
emperor- there is a great disturbance in the force
v- I have felt it
e- we have a new enemy - Luke Skywalker.
v- Yes, my master
e- He could destroy us
v- he is just a boy. Obi-wan can no longer help him
e- the force is strong with him, the son of skywalker must not be allowed to become a jedi.
v- if he could be turned, he would become a powerful ally
e- yes, yes. He would be a great asset. Can it be done?
v- He will join us or die, my master.

notice how emperor does say "Son of Skywalker" - so someone viewing 1-6 would still get it right away. And the whole Vader wanting to save his life makes sense.

The new version is actually not much changed. Biggest difference being Ian Mcdiarmid (guy who played emperor palpatine Return of Jedi and prequels) and diff hologram.

new version

v- what is thy bidding, my master?
e- there is a great disturbance in the force
v- I have felt it
e- We have a new enemy, the young rebel who destroyed the death star. I have no doubt that this boy is the offspring of Anakin Skywalker.
v- How is that possible?
e- search your feelings, lord vader, you will know it to be true. He could destroy us.
v- He is just a boy. Obi-Wan can no longer help him.
e- the force is strong in him. The son of skywalker must not be allowed to become a jedi.
v- if he could be turned, he would become a powerful ally
e- yes, yes. He would be a great asset Can it be done?
v- He will join us or die, my master.

Basically, they just inserted a couple lines. Doesn't even look like they took out anything.

So I don't know why we, myself included have made such a big deal about this scene ;) :P Now this actually makes sense to me. Although, they really didn't ened those extra lines.

[Halbarad of the Dunedain]

The one thing i can remember very clearly is that horrible singing scean in Jabba's Palace! OMG when I saw that I was like WTF!!! Nearly turned the DvD off it was so dissapointing. Overall the additions are okay with an exception of a few absolutly horrible things... like the one mentioned above!

[Lenya]

Poeple often go one step to far if they go back to change something. Like in LotR PJ went back and shot the scene where Sam is doing his overdramatic speech to Frodo in Osgilliath. He should have left that out.

[Lief Erikson]

So I don't know why we, myself included have made such a big deal about this scene ;) :P Now this actually makes sense to me. Although, they really didn't ened those extra lines.
And now, with Episode 3 released, we know why they needed those extra lines :). I just finished seeing "The Empire Strikes Back" again today, the Special Edition, and I got a greater appreciation for it this viewing then before. It really, really is good.

The Special Edition additions to the Falcon chase and Cloud City also were nice. Of course all the additions were, but I just particularly was pleased at those ones this viewing.