Favorite Bad Guys (NEWBIE-FRIENDLY THREAD)

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

I thought that we had a favourite characters thread so why not have one about our favourite bad guys.

Mine is either Gollum or Saruman.
Gollum because I love the conversations he has with himself and the way he talks.
Saruman because he is the perfect fallen hero but you still get glances of his power and majesty.

What do you guys think.

[Attalus]

The Balrog!!! (winged or wingless) He has cool that he'll never use. :D

[Haradrim]

My favorite has to be third ring wraith to the left. That guy was super cool and I felt that he aslo had a gentler side. Im sure he loved hsi garen and in a way I felt bad that he would never see it again... (sniffle) :)

[mithrand1r]

It is difficult for me to choose one bad guy as a favorite. If he were more visible to the reader, I would choose Sauron. From the remaining characters, I will choose Sauruman (AKA Auruman ;)).

[Haradrim]

I never like Sauruman. I dont know why. Its just one of those thing syou just cant explain.... :)

[Ñólendil]

I agree with mithrand1r, 'Auruman was the best bad guy, not because of his personality, but more because of his hair-do. Nobody does thick and bushy hair like Sauruman (save maybe Sam the bushman, or Aragorn of the No-Pants, or good ol' melodramatic-milk-the-cow-while-you-talk Gandalf). I just wish 'Auruman could have had a nice conversation with Seleborn, and then we all would have had a good laugh. ... Or anyway those that know what the heck I'm talking about would.

[Haradrim]

well if this was the hobbit section it would be Smaug but since I am limited to LOTR books I will have to go with Grond the siege weapn. I think he should count

[katya]

I'm going to go with Melkor. Totally bad-ass. Yeah, I guess I didn't really like any others. I liked the good guys better (*warm and fuzzy feelings*).

[The Gaffer]

Shagrat. With a name like that, you've gotta love him.

[Lefty Scaevola]

Melkor/Morgoth is the only bad guy I recall to be afflicted with 'unnatural lust'.

[Haradrim]

whaddya mean by unnatural lust

[entss89]

the evil person i must choose wohould have to be the witch king, i believe there is just such a mystery to him that makes him very noticable. :)

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

whaddya mean by unnatural lust

I think he means that Eru created him for good but he turned evil, but correct me if I am wrong Lefty.

[Halbarad of the Dunedain]

I know this is probably not allowed as he was in the Hobbit(although Melkor was in Sil.) but I liked Smaug! How can you get a more interesting and charming villian!? He was a smart talking Dragon, if he lived through the Hobbit he may have been given his own sitcom, or his own gameshow at the least! Smaug is by far the best villian in my oppinion. He had the most depth with the fewest words! Although if I must choose a LotR baddy I would have to choose the Last of the Balrogs! If your bad enough to take down Gandalf, your cool in my books! The Balrog was rockin, and to think of it, he was one of the lesser Balrogs(if there were lesser Balrogs) and he was stilla pretty bad ass!

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

Yeah Smaug's allowed (I hope).

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

Gullom would have to be my favortie bad guy. I don't know why, but he just is. :)

[Shelob's Hubby]

smaug is awsome

[Pytt]

that must be saruman or the witch king. ihave always fancied wisardry and magic and theese two are the best in that genre.
gollum to is great but i can't just see him as a bad guy.

[Manveru]

my favourite is probably the witch king, he took down arnor when sauron was still hiding in the woods. shagrat and gorbag are also really cool. i love orcish names

[Nurvingiel]

The Witch-King is wicked cool. :cool:

I don't think Gollum counts as a bad-guy guys, it's because of him that the Quest ultimately succeeded! :eek: At least, he was one factor in its sucess. No one in Tolkien is really black and white though.

My favourite bad-guys are Smaug (because he is so evil, yet interesting, witty, and a great read), and Saruman, because he's a genius in most ways, and complex, dignified to the last, and exciting. It's also because of him that Merry and Pippin really came into their own.

I tend to like bad guys based on two things - complexity and their effect on the heroes.

[brego]

im all for the nazgul

[me9996]

Ether soron or saaaaaarrrrruuuuuuuuuuummmmmannnnnnnnnnnnnn
(Get it? :D )

[Elemmírë]

Favorite Bad Guys (NEWBIE-FRIENDLY THREAD)

I'm a Newbie. :D

hm... it would have to be something that was Silm based... and not Sauron, considering what he did to Finrod... :mad:

the Balrog, maybe. :D

[eyesofsorrow]

Oh! My best friend thinks Gollum is the best character, good or bad! And the scary thing is, that's the truth!

[Last Child of Ungoliant]

Shagrat. With a name like that, you've gotta love him.
dunno wat the rspca wud say, tho :eek:

I agree with mithrand1r, 'Auruman was the best bad guy, not because of his personality, but more because of his hair-do. Nobody does thick and bushy hair like Sauruman (save maybe Sam the bushman, or Aragorn of the No-Pants, or good ol' melodramatic-milk-the-cow-while-you-talk Gandalf). I just wish 'Auruman could have had a nice conversation with Seleborn, and then we all would have had a good laugh. ... Or anyway those that know what the heck I'm talking about would.

my favourite bad guy is the ring, because as gandalf would say
"that ring is alltogether <wave arms in sweepin motion> evil, frodo

or maybe soor-onn, with his "wacky" horned helmet, a la knights who say ni!

Sauron is definitely the topman with regards to being downright cool and bad at the same time

[Embladyne]

Smaug, definitely, but as the bad guy is supposed to be in LOTR...
Well, it's not really a guy, and it's not really bad, but I really like the oliphants...they were used for an evil purpose, and it makes me cry. :(

[Lenya]

Denethor, cause his really creepy and he totally looses it at the end - he makes an excellent bad guy.

And yes, he must qualify an one of the bad guys, even if it is just for wanting to burn his son alive.

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

But he didn't think he was alive. I don't think Denethor classifies as a bad guy. He wasn't really bad he was just confused and had beentaken advantage of by Sauron.

[Lenya]

Yes he was taken advantage of, but that means he was made one of the bad guys. He deserted his people when they needed him and (can't remember but I think) he refused to listen when they told him Faramir was still alive and hence he tried to burn him. And he was the cause for a lot of trouble and pain in Gondor.

[Embladyne]

I just don't want to think of Denethor as a bad guy. He's one of those people that, after they're dead, you remember them when they were wise and strong.

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

No, only Pippin said that he wasn IIRC. His other servants wouldn't dare.

[Embladyne]

Yeah, and at that point, he was no longer mentally stable in any respect, so it's hard to say that he might have acted differently if the others had also told him his son was still living. All that was real to him was what his mind fatalisticlly told him must be true.

[Lenya]

It doesn't make a difference that he was psyco. He still didn't do anything good and he wasn't a good man.

[Manveru]

Yeah, and at that point, he was no longer mentally stable in any respect, so it's hard to say that he might have acted differently if the others had also told him his son was still living. All that was real to him was what his mind fatalisticlly told him must be true.

If Denethor is a bad guy then Hamlet is a bad guy

[Embladyne]

If Denethor is a bad guy then Hamlet is a bad guy
I don't think that he is. Some people do, though...and they have their reasoning. I was trying to support why I thought he was not a bad guy.

[Mrs.Gimli]

Witch king for me

[The Wizard from Milan]

i don't know if the One Ring count as a character but I am totally enthralled with it! ...my precious

[Bombadillo]

I could have sworn there was a thread about that somewhere, but I can't find it. Some consider the Ring a character. I was fascinated by it also. My first avatar was a picture of it and the words "This little thing?"

Welcome to the Moot! :)

[Elemmírë]

I think it could count as a person.

I wonder about the Silmarilli...

...oops, sorry Bombadillo! :p

[Bombadillo]

:rolleyes: It should be a releif for you to know I dismiss all spoilers I accidently come across, since chances are you have no idea what you're talking about anyway.
:p

Did you notice I'm not in stealth mode anymore?


My favorite baddie is Saruman. He must have made the funniest shocked face in the book when Gandalf flew away from his tower. Plus he was most complex as Nurv said.

Don't you think if Saruman's a bad guy Denethor should be too? That's the only role he played in LotR, despite how unfortunately his mind was seized from him by Sauron.

[Embladyne]

Don't you think if Saruman's a bad guy Denethor should be too? That's the only role he played in LotR, despite how unfortunately his mind was seized from him by Sauron.Somehow, I still don't think of Denethor as a bad guy. I think of him more as someone who's reason had left him and who should have died earlier. But, then again, I think a lot of people in ME should have died sooner...

[Bombadillo]

But isn't that the same you'd classify Saruman? They were both corrupt by Sauron, and all that we saw of either of them in the books was bad. No one has so much mercy on Saruman, and he was probably the cooler of the two. (mad wizard)

[Pytt]

I don't know clearly. While Sarumann did quite a lot of bad actions, Denethor did none. Ok he thought of burning Faramir. they are both corrupted, but not in the same way. I don't know if I think Denethor should be considered a bad guy..

[The Wizard from Milan]

I do not think that Saruman and Denethor are to put in the same bin, so to speak.
Saruman was corrupted by the ring and sauron.
Denethor went mad because of Sauron.

[Embladyne]

I feel that the reason Sarumon and Denethor are not to be judged the same is because they are given different purposes in life. Sarumon was on a mission to prevent Sauron's Victory, and had been putting all his effort towards that before he succumbed. However, Denethor was a human who had other purposes in life. He wasn't given a divine mission. I wish he hadn't gone crazy, I wish a lot of things hadn't happened, but I have more mercy for his failure than Sarumon's. That said, I don't hate Sarumon, either, but he always seemed to have an ambition that put his own interests before the completion of his mission.

[Gandalf The White Rider]

mine is William from The Hobbit.

[Lenya]

Thanx Bombadillo for backing up my statement that Denethor is bad. Yes I totally agree that if you classify Saruman as evil, then Denethor is also evil.

I don't know clearly. While Sarumann did quite a lot of bad actions, Denethor did none. Ok he thought of burning Faramir. they are both corrupted, but not in the same way. I don't know if I think Denethor should be considered a bad guy..

Denethor wasn't exactly an angel. He stood aside and refused to raise one hand to help his people while he knew disaster was coming. He wouldn't let them prepare for attack or evacuate the women and children and he wouldn't send for Rohan. As stuard that was his duty.

[Lenya]

mine is William from The Hobbit.

I don't remember there being a William.?

[me9996]

I don't remember there being a William.?
It's the name of one of the trolls.

[Lenya]

Oh. I've completely forgotten about them :o cool, they were interesting.

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

But isn't that the same you'd classify Saruman? They were both corrupt by Sauron, and all that we saw of either of them in the books was bad. No one has so much mercy on Saruman, and he was probably the cooler of the two. (mad wizard)
Yes they were both corrupted by Sauron but in different. Saruman served Sauron (for a time) knowingly and willingly, but Denethor didn't even know that his actions were serving Sauron.

[strider8]

My favourite evil character is probably The Mouth of Sauron.Bacause he is cool in an evil way. :evil:

[Morgoth the Elfbit]

I have to change my previous answer as Haradrim. My favorite baddie has to bve Shagrat. I like all the small evil characters. Shagrat, Gothmog. Not much is known about them but to me they just seem cool... in a cool sortof way.

[Pytt]

Denethor wasn't exactly an angel. He stood aside and refused to raise one hand to help his people while he knew disaster was coming. He wouldn't let them prepare for attack or evacuate the women and children and he wouldn't send for Rohan. As stuard that was his duty.

Yes, so you could say he was indirectly evil. His actions, or lack of actions, turned out evil, but in them self they were not evil. But puting him wiht Sarumann is wrong, I mean.

[Lenya]

Like I said, he neglected his duties. As a steward, that is a no-no.

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

He only neglected them after he had been influenced by Sauron. At heart he was good but because of Sayuron he felt despair and that is probably his main fault.

[Morgoth the Elfbit]

I dont know TD for me that argument sounds a lot like. Well he was really good until he was influenced by thta evil man. I mean Sauron didnt turn you evil he actually made you evil. In my mind Denethor was as evil ass ay Saruman because he was a tool of Sauron even if he didnt knwo it.

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

But all he did was unintentional. He wasn't like Saruman who went about breeding orcs. I mean think of one pure evil deed he did intenionally that you can't think of a reasonable reason for.

[Morgoth the Elfbit]

He indirectly almost caused the fall of Minas Tirith.

[Last Child of Ungoliant]

denethor was not evil, he chose, even after being poisoned by sauron, to act in a way which he deemed good, still attempting to resist the threat of mordor, at the least remaining faithful to good over evil, whereas saruman chose to depart from the way of good, and join evil in it's entirety, even if he did betray sauron, he was still working for evil ends

[Morgoth the Elfbit]

I find it odd that I am arguing that someone was evil. I just remembered my own belief in that evil doesnt exist and have switched to the side of Denethor. COme on. He aint that bad.

[Beor]

Mouth of Sauron. He's so hot right now.

[Lenya]

denethor was not evil, he chose, even after being poisoned by sauron, to act in a way which he deemed good, still attempting to resist the threat of mordor, at the least remaining faithful to good over evil, whereas saruman chose to depart from the way of good, and join evil in it's entirety, even if he did betray sauron, he was still working for evil ends

In the end he didn't attempt to resist Mordor. He let everything go and went to kill himself. That's not very good of him.

[Last Child of Ungoliant]

In the end he didn't attempt to resist Mordor. He let everything go and went to kill himself. That's not very good of him.
maybe not good, but still not evil

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

He indirectly almost caused the fall of Minas Tirith.
That's the point thogh, indirectly. Saruman tried to directly cause the fall of Rohan.

[CrazySquirrel]

Saruman is DISGUSTING, so not a favorite of mine. I like Denethor in the book, and he is not at all evil. It has to be Wikkie of Angmar then

[hectorberlioz]

Shagrat. With a name like that, you've gotta love him.
A truly british bad guy name too. JRRT and CSL were good at that :p (i.e. Screwtape, Slubgob...)

[Farimir Captain of Gondor]

The Witch-King was by far the best but, I really liked Old Man Willow. He was pretty cool himself. The way he 'laughed' at Frodo when he kicked him and how he told Merry he would squeeze him in two if they didn't put out the fire. Yeah, Old Man Willow is one of my favs. :cool:

[jammi567]

but behind the glitter [of Shelob's eyes] a pale deadly fire began steadily to grow within, a flame kindled in some deep pit of evil thought.

now, is that scary or what, seeing animal eyes burn with a human malace, capable of that kind of feeling. :eek:

[Green Rose]

Sauron by far. He's so hilarious! Grrrr!!!!!! Big scary eye! You better watch out! Big brother is watching you!

[Arien the Maia]

oh oh! mine is Sauron! I have several fina fiction stories in the works involoving him! I love most all "bad" guys! (with the exception of Melkor)

[The Telcontarion]

I would have to agree with Nurvingiel, The leader of the ringwraiths was just the terror of the LOTR books for a great deal of it.

The chase of frodo from the shire to rivendel, when the witch king and his other nazgul, would simply fly over head at minas tirith or when he attacked Faramir, Theoden and Eowyn. Or even when he faced Gandalf at the gate.

Those were all scary times.

[Rosie Gamgee]

Denethor, if you consider him really evil. The thing about Tolkien is, all of his 'bad guys' were good at one time or another (with the possible exception of some orc and/or Uruk characters). So, speaking strictly of 'bad' creatures who have always been bad... I have no favourite. If otherwise, Denethor.