eowyn and Faramir

[Haradrim]

Whwere did they live? Faramir being Steward and Eowyn being queen(was she. I can't remember.) Even if she wasn't I doubt she would want to leave Rohan. Maybe they had a summer home somewhere in the middle.

[Elanor the Fair]

They went to live in Ithilien. (That was the area where Faramir first encountered Frodo and Sam - where the waterfall and cave was).

Aragorn granted this area to Faramir as his Princedom. I think it would have been a beautiful place to live. :)

[Valandil]

More specifically, I think it says they would live in Emyn Arnen... a small clump of mountains just SE of Minas Tirith - indeed in Ithilien.

Once cleansed of evil, I think it would've been like the countryside of northern Italy. :)

[Attalus]

That would have been about the same latitude, by my calculations.

[Haradrim]

cool very nice. but why did eowyn leave rohan. I mean rohan wsas where her people were where her "father" Theoden lived and died for. I cant believe she would leave it so easily. I know she visits but still. :)

[Valandil]

cool very nice. but why did eowyn leave rohan. I mean rohan wsas where her people were where her "father" Theoden lived and died for. I cant believe she would leave it so easily. I know she visits but still. :)

That's just the way people did things in the 'old days'! ;) When two people from two different places got married, the woman usually left her people and they lived where the man was from.

My wife thinks that these days, married couples more often gravitate toward the wife's family. That's true in our case... and one reason she'd like a daughter (a little afraid all her sons will abandon her in favor of their in-laws).

[Haradrim]

Yes I agree thats the way things were done in the old times. Just like women who werent allowed to fight. Eru I am glad that never happened especially to Eowyn. But seriously Eowyn was not a normal female and Faramir would have respected that. She was a warrior and a leader. How could she abandon her land so easily.

[Earniel]

But seriously Eowyn was not a normal female and Faramir would have respected that. She was a warrior and a leader. How could she abandon her land so easily.
But Eowyn laid her blade to rest after her marriage, seeking to be more a healer than a warrior. Besides, it's not like Rohan was on the other side of Arda, no doubt she visited her brother from time to time. But her home now lay in Ithilien, at Faramir's side, not in Rohan.

[Attalus]

Besides, Faramir was Prince of Ithilien as well as Hereditary Steward of Gondor. He would have had many duties, and needed Éowyn's help.

[Haradrim]

I know that all of that makes sense but it just seems odd to me that she would leave the country that she loved so much and fought for and the country she grew up in, and the country all her friends lived. ITs just a little odd. Im not sayingits unreasonable but its just a little odd to me.

[The Gaffer]

But Eowyn laid her blade to rest after her marriage, seeking to be more a healer than a warrior. Besides, it's not like Rohan was on the other side of Arda, no doubt she visited her brother from time to time. But her home now lay in Ithilien, at Faramir's side, not in Rohan.
Yes. Remember her line, which I can't remember exactly, but was something like: Would you have it said, there goes Faramir who tamed the wild shieldmaiden of Rohan? To which Faramir replies Yes and jumps on her bones er I mean, well you know the rest...

She then devotes herself to healing, which would have been sorely needed in Ithilien.

[Haradrim]

okay fine I will concede that it made sense for her to leave. But it wpuld have been hard right. I mean she wouldnt have left without lots of tears right?

[cee2lee2]

okay fine I will concede that it made sense for her to leave. But it wpuld have been hard right. I mean she wouldnt have left without lots of tears right?


Of course, it would have been hard and there would have been tears! But she loved Faramir and her position with him would be as noble as her position in Rohan.

Here's a real life example for you: I used to live about 1000 miles away from my birth family and only got to see them about once a year, twice if I could work it out. Believe me, there were plenty of tears whenever it was time for a visit to be over. But I had also made a life for myself 1000 miles away from them and when I had to leave those folks, there were plenty of tears on that end too. It's just the price one pays for loving 'cause you can't be in two places at the same time.

[Haradrim]

Unless we could create a time machine then we could be in billions of places at the same time! WHA HAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
On a serious note at least I know she felt bad cause then I dont know what I would have thought if she hadnt. :)

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

Yet I'm guessing she would see Eomer again, him being King of Rohan and everything.

[Elanor the Fair]

In Appendix A it is mentioned that Eomer travelled often with Aragorn in the years following the War of the Ring and went often to Gondor. Eomer also married the daughter of Imrahil of Dol Amroth so I'm sure he would have had frequent contact with Eowyn.

[Haradrim]

okay I understand. I just read Appendix A

[Attalus]

Don't forget that Eowyn also went back to Rohan for Theoden's funeral, so she could have gotten her stuff and said her goodbyes then. Not without tears, surely.

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

Yeah in The Steward and the King when Faramir says that if she will he will wed her she replied that she must first return to Rohan and help Eomer sought things out.

[Haradrim]

So she went back to Rohan settled her affairs and then moved to Faramirs digs and they lived happily ever after.

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

Yep. Pretty much.

[Haradrim]

Well that sounds like a pretty righteous plan then. Well I hope she had a happy life living with depressing old FAramir... :)

[Attalus]

Hey, I like Faramir. I think they were very happy.

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

Do you think that the old Eowyn would have been better suited to Faramir.

[Attalus]

Well, she was the same person, after all, and it has been my experience that adults, even as young as Éowyn was, change very little, fundamentally. She was cured of her sadness, fear, and despair, so she was able to lay that burden down and love a real person, not an ideal.

[Haradrim]

But still maybe Faramir liked that she was a warrior. Maybe thats what drew him to her. A woman who did things women "shouldn't" do. I mean maybe he kind of hada thing for that or something... :) But anyway did he live happily with a healer or would he have been happier with her if she was a hunter.

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

Even if she was a hunter do you think he would have allowed her to hunt orcs and easterlings etc. even after all she had done on the Pellenor.

[Haradrim]

Yes he would have. That would be like their bonding time. :)

So hows..(slays two orcs) the kids been lately
Slays an easterling) They are....just ..... fine.....

Can you imagine. HEHEHEHEHHE

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

Yeah then out of no where a toddler come weilding an axe. :p

[Haradrim]

yeah todler goes:
Daddy I like take your child to work day! ITs fun!

HEHEHEHEHEHEHE :)

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

Yeah toddlers with Gondorian longbows twice the size of them.

[Haradrim]

I can see it now

Faramir: Now pull back son.
Son: EEEEHHHHHH! EHHHHHHH!! I cant daddey.
Faramir: Sure you can its only twice your size I can do one three times my size.
Son: But daddy you weally stwong.
Faramir: No excuses NOW PULL!
Son: WAHHHHH!
Faramir: Eowyn! YOUR son is being a baby.

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

Yeah and he fires himself at acharging Mumak.

And another one as a sword to heavy for him and is swinging it round out of control.

[Haradrim]

This would make a great sit-com
Life with Faramir!

HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE
Ill be Faramirs son

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

No an army of Faramir and Eowyns.

[Haradrim]

yeeehhh (shudders) that would be like some horrible science experiment gone awry. Can you imagine that. Please say no.... :)

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

Not really. But imagine Christmas Dinner at Uncle Eomers

Eomer: Blimey. You two have been busy. (Uneasy looks) :p

[Haradrim]

That would be hilarious. Would Eomer be the crepy uncle, the everybodys favorite uncle or the mean uncle who thinks his kids are way better? hmm its a hard choice. But I go with everybodies favorite uncle. Also what about thanksgiving with nonrelated King Uncle Aragorn's? And maybe easter with Cousin Merry? :)

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

And birthdays with Uncle Sam & family. That would be a We got more kids than you argument.

[Haradrim]

Or maybe...
Sam: well my little boy planted hif first plant yesterday.
Faramir: Oh yeah. Well my little guy slayed his first orc
SAm: Well mine went on his first date yesterday
Faramir: My son coud kick your sons butt
Sam: Nuh uh!
Faramir: yuh huh
(They fight meanwhile Rosie and Eowyn share some tea then the two boys start playfully tumbling)
Rosie: Why are they doing that. We should stop them!
Eowyn: Naw boys wil be boys.
Rosie: What if they seriously injure each other?
Eowyn: ITll make them stronger.
Rosie: Well I dont want my son playing with your son anymore.
Eowyn: My son doesnt want to play with a baby anyway
Rosie: How dare you! (Slaps Eowyn)
Eowyn: Oh that is it.
(They get into a fight)
Teh Eowyn and Faramir leave with their son and you see Sam and Rosie on the ground crying)

:)

And April Fools Day with Pippen
And Halloween in Dunharrow.
:)

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

Yeah but Rosie and Sam would be the same height as Faramir and Eowyn's kids.

[Haradrim]

Thats the funny part! :) Kind of like if Faramir and Eowyn were like MArried with Children. Hehheheheheheheheeheheheheheheehehehehehehhehe! :)

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

Yeah imagine Faramir (Gamgee) had tried to beat up Faramir for his Dad.

[Haradrim]

wasnt faramir pippens son?

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

Yeah but I think that Sam named one of his kids Faramir to.

[Haradrim]

Wow thats a lot of little Faramirs running around. Imagine the confusion in Hobbitton. It has the making of another Sit-Com written all over it. :)

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

Most of Sams kids probably face that dillema the amount he's got.

[Haradrim]

whoa definately didnt understand that last post one bit. :) Maye you missed acomma or a word or something> :)

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

Most of Sams kids probably face the dillema of other hobbits with the same name the amount of kids he's has.

[Haradrim]

oh I get it now. Yeah how mmany kids did he have. I cant find ROTK right now.

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

I think it was thirteen but I'm not sure. Check hobbit family trees.

[Haradrim]

I wish I could btu as I said I cant find my rotk right now. I think its under my couch, bed, in the car or in numerous different places thansk to my cat. :)

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

I'll go check in a minute.

[Haradrim]

thanks but back to the original topic. Do you think Eowyn ever fought with Faramir again. Or had she forever gotten rid of her sword. It s a question you have to ask.

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

I think she never fought again as she devoted her life to healing. She laid aside her sword (that was already broken) and someone as strong willed as Eowyn would never go against her word.

[Haradrim]

true. it just seems so odd to me that she would fight once and then give up on her whole notion of achieving glory in battle to be a nurse. It just seems odd.

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

But she achieved her goal, to win glory and reknown (sp.) on the battle field instead of watching others win that.

[Haradrim]

but wouldnt she not be content with that and try to achieve more honor like true warriors. I mean she had one battle where she achieved major props in the honour department but wouldnt she try and get more like the rohirrim did. I mean theoden was always about honor. Like dyinf for honour ws better than living without it so why wouldnt she want more.

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

Yeah but living with it is better than dying with it isn't it?

[Haradrim]

I mean I understand why but it still just seems a little off to me.

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

Yeah but shes better alive than dead if shes dead she cant seep up the glory she would get.

[Haradrim]

ah too true. But I just cant imagine her giving it up. MAybeits just a mental block I have.

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

She had achieved her goal so she nned not to do anything else. She did something she really wanted to do.

[Haradrim]

So you are saying that all along Eowyn wanted to be a nurse. I disagree. HHer destiny was as a shieldmaiden of Rohan. She would have wanetd to protect her home from stray orcs and help to clean up what orcs there were left. Also Im sure Aragorn probably attacked the lands fo HArad. And she would have wnated to eb part of that. So it is just reall odd to me that she gave up her sword.

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

Not all along but when the time came she wanted to marry Faramir and I guess the nurse part is just an affect the Houses of Healing had upon her.

[Earniel]

So you are saying that all along Eowyn wanted to be a nurse. I disagree. HHer destiny was as a shieldmaiden of Rohan. She would have wanetd to protect her home from stray orcs and help to clean up what orcs there were left. Also Im sure Aragorn probably attacked the lands fo HArad. And she would have wnated to eb part of that.
I don't think so, Eowyn is a far more complex character than that.

[Haradrim]

I know she is. Hence with her desire to be a warrior and her easons for it. She did her fighting and then she decides to heal. WHere did her calling for healing come from. WHy did she all of a sudden take a likeing to the process of healing. it just doesnt make sense to me.

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

People change don't they.

[Haradrim]

I know they change but this seems like such a drastic change that t almost seems unprobable. Everyone has such good reasons but human nature doesnt alwasy follow reason. :)

[Lefty Scaevola]

WHy did she all of a sudden take a likeing to the process of healing. it just doesnt make sense to me.In Tolkien(in HoME), there is a theme, at least among the elves, that it is difficult (not impossible) to combine the roles of Warrior with that of Healer. The spiritual/frea state that supports power in one of those roles intefers with that needed for the other. It would appear to be not a hard rule or that you can shift from one role to the other: The case of Elrond, a great wrrior up to at least TA 1900s and the Wars against Angmar, but a thousand years later Know rather as a great healer.
Back to Eowyn, perhaps being a warrior shieldmaiden has suppressed her inaate capacity as a healer, and when gave up the one, she found the other.

[Haradrim]

I understand now. ihavent gotten around to HoME and I actually dont know where to buy them. Anyone able to help?

[Attalus]

I understand now. ihavent gotten around to HoME and I actually dont know where to buy them. Anyone able to help?
Amazon has them, but only the first few are in mass-market paperback.

[Haradrim]

thanks. Also what did Faramir do?

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

He was Prince of Ithillien and probably a part time Ranger to.

[Haradrim]

But what are the responsibilities of the prince of Ithilien?

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

Nothing I don't think.

[Haradrim]

So its just a title. That sjust great. Yeah I am prince of Itilien. Nobody Cares!

I feel bad for him.

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

He probably had to preserve thilien but I think that was about it.

[Haradrim]

thats still a pretty sucky job. Why couldnt he be like mayor of Minas Tirith or soemthing

[Elanor the Fair]

I know she is. Hence with her desire to be a warrior and her easons for it. She did her fighting and then she decides to heal. WHere did her calling for healing come from. WHy did she all of a sudden take a likeing to the process of healing. it just doesnt make sense to me.

Don't forget this prophetic statement about Aragorn...

The hands of the king are the hands of a healer..

Eowyn was of royal blood, and, like Aragorn, would be a natural healer.

Aragorn, too was a warrior and a healer. I am sure he preferred healing to slaying.

[Haradrim]

okay I concede despite my reservations. :)

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

Aragorn, too was a warrior and a healer. I am sure he preferred healing to slaying.

Depends who. He would prefer to slay an orc but heal an elf. But about Eowyn she saw the sorrows of war and battle so decided to dedicate her life to helping heal the wounds of war and battle.

[Attalus]

thanks. Also what did Faramir do?Don't forget that the Prince of Ithilien would be the March-Warden between Gondor and the former Mordor. I am sure that plenty of Orcs and other foul beasts (and evil Men, don't forget) remained to keep Faramir (and Éowyn) busy. As a feudal lord, he would have been responsible for the welfare of all the folk that lived there. And, last but not least, he was hereditary Steward of Gondor, presiding there in the King's absence. We know that Aragon visited Arnor at least once, and most probably many times, so he would have been the one in charge, then.

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

When Aragorn went to Arnor would he have remained in Ithillien or gone to Minsa Tirith.

[Haradrim]

Yeah I understand. I agree that there were left overs to clean up and Eowyn probably mostly spent he time healing and Faramir and his buddies did the fighting. However I am sure every now and again she felt an urge and went out ot fight along side her man. :)

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

Maybe but if she did I think it would have been defending Ithillien not attacking the orcs.

[Attalus]

I think it doubful that Éowyn never drew sword again. It was a rough period of history.

[Valandil]

I think it doubful that Éowyn never drew sword again. It was a rough period of history.

If for no other reason, she may have had to teach her sons how to do it. ;)

"Mommy - mommy! Show us again how you killed the Witch-King!" :p

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

Yeha a little army of Faramir and Eowyn's.

[Last Child of Ungoliant]

The hands of the king are the hands of a healer..
Technically, i think that only applies to those of Numenorean descent, not to apply to the Rohirrim

[Valandil]

I don't even think the saying was that general. I think it was more likely an old prophetical saying which was specific to Aragorn... to help in his identification as King. I don't think Aragorn had his healing ability because he was the son of Arathorn, who was the son of Arador, etc, etc - all the way back to Isildur son of Elendil. I think rather that he had this ability because he had taken the time and effort to learn it when he had the opportunity - and that those words were an identifier for him.

Now... wonder who would have first said them. Perhaps Gondor at some point may have had a 'seer' similar to Malbeth...???

[Attalus]

I don't even think the saying was that general. I think it was more likely an old prophetical saying which was specific to Aragorn... to help in his identification as King. I don't think Aragorn had his healing ability because he was the son of Arathorn, who was the son of Arador, etc, etc - all the way back to Isildur son of Elendil. I think rather that he had this ability because he had taken the time and effort to learn it when he had the opportunity - and that those words were an identifier for him.

Now... wonder who would have first said them. Perhaps Gondor at some point may have had a 'seer' similar to Malbeth...???I agree. Mysterious prophecies, like "Your grandson will kill you" are common in mythic stories.

[Wayfarer]

I agree. Mysterious prophecies, like "Your grandson will kill you" are common in mythic stories.

Oh yeah. That's real mysterious. ;)