favorite race and why

[Haradrim]

Which of the races of middle-earth did you like best. Any race so even animals and beasts like wargs and dragons count.
My favorite has to be men because you can tell they have so much pride and
honour. They aren't the strongest, the oldest, or the wisest but they are definately the coolest. I mean who is going to mess with a well seasoned male human warrior. Nobody. Thats right nobody.

[Beren3000]

I'll tell you who'd mess with a "well seasoned male human warrior". An Elvish one, that's who. My favorite race has to be Elves. What's not to like about them? They are beautiful, artistic, wise, you name it...

P.S. Welcome to the moot Haradrim :) how about introducing yourself in the welcome thread in the General messages forum?

[Haradrim]

oh come on. In a straight fight an experianced human fight would kill the experianjced elven fighter in a heartbeat. Really. The human may be less graceful but he is stronger and much more forceful. And I think that would make him win.

[Beren3000]

Why would the Man be the more forceful? Is it because he has a beard? ;):D

[Sister Golden Hair]

Yeah, I'm with Beren on this one. An Elf would whip human booty any day. :p

Of course Searos didn't prove to be much of a match for Turin, did he? :o

Welcome to Entmoot Haradrim. :)

[BeardofPants]

Yeah, but elves have this annoying tendency to be able to see and hear a human stumbling about; I reckon this could have an unfair advantage over the silly clumsy human. ;)

*BoP would like to see a fight between Feanor and Turin though.

[Radagast The Brown]

Of course Searos didn't prove to be much of a match for Turin, did he? :o
Turin was one of the greatest warriors ever, and was trained by the elves, while Searus was a simple counselor. The Elves are stronger than men, It seems to me. I think Tolkien mentions it in the Silmarillion a few times, but I can't quote it... So as you can understand, I'm with the elves. :)

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

Hobbits. Yes, those simple, peaceful creatures that live in holes. Deep in the center of each hobbits' heart is a courage just waiting to emerge. Their size is... perfect; that way you don't have to feel short, if you are; instead of looking up, you look down. ;)

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[Haradrim]

Okay, first I want to know how this match up between man and elf is set up. Are we on a huge field where there is no hiding and it is just straight-forward combat? or are we in a forest where hiding and secrecy has a lot to do with the battle? What are the stakes? and shall we pick a champion from each side and see how it plays out? I shall pick for humans you guys choose your elf. We shall see who wins.
I cast Faramir as the champion of men. (before the ring)
also I woul dhave gone with Aragorn but he was trained by the elves so it is not really fair.

[Elanor the Fair]

My vote is for hobbits, also. They can out-eat any other race in Middle-Earth!! :D

[brownjenkins]

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now you're officially hooked ;)

[Thain Peregrin Took I]

My favorite is hobbits, too. It would be easy for me to live with hobbits, I'm sorta short and it would be fun to have pantry raids and not get in trouble for it. :D

[Attalus]

I believe that one of the Noldor could easily take any human. I mean, one of them, Fingolfin, took on Morgoth himself and wounded him, twice wasn't it? And two of the Balrogs were killed by Noldor, including Gothmog, himself, by Ecthelion. Glorfindel put paid to the other, unnamed Balrog. This isn't why I like the Noldor the best, but it is certainly one of the reasons.

[Sister Golden Hair]

I believe that one of the Noldor could easily take any human. I mean, one of them, Fingolfin, took on Morgoth himself and wounded him, twice wasn't it? And two of the Balrogs were killed by Noldor, including Gothmog, himself, by Ecthelion. Glorfindel put paid to the other, unnamed Balrog. This isn't why I like the Noldor the best, but it is certainly one of the reasons.I think that Fingolfin wounded Morgoth 7 times.

[Haradrim]

Maybe you are correct. I will conceed that maybe the elves are stronger as a race in general. However, if the humans were fighting for a cause an dthe elves were just blindly fighting I would ahve to give it to the humans. Men just seem to be able to pull through in the unlikliest of situations. But in a one on one mono a mono race I will give it to the elves.

[Valandil]

The 400 Individual Medley - because to swim it well you must be proficient in all four strokes: butterfly, backstroke, breaststroke and freestyle... plus, it's the 400, not just the 200, so it also requires great endurance.

Hey... what kind of race are you guys talking about anyway?? :confused:

[Haradrim]

That was good! Very funny! :) snaps!

[Ñólendil]

Ah, a Who Can Beat Who Debate. My favorite. My vote's for Super Man--Gandalf can use all the firebolts in the world, Super Man's still capable of throwing the old man into outer space. So now the Elf/Man debate is settled: Super Man wins.

My favorite race would be Long-haired English Tri-colored Guinea Pigs. They originate from Peru, which is technically a country of Middle-earth (just not in any time period written about by Tolkien).

The Long-haired English Tri-colored Guinea Pigs are hairy little critters that eat anything and squeek all night, but they're very cute and friendly. Mine grew to enormous size (probably because he literally ate his house), and I came to call him Fatty Bolger.

[Lefty Scaevola]

I think that Fingolfin wounded Morgoth 7 times.8: 7 times before he was stomped on, then he hewed Morgoth's foot with his last strength.

[Attalus]

I just knew somebody wiser would have the answer. :P :D

[Olmer]

Elves. The teachers of Men.
Ethernal youth and immense experience, magnificent craftsmen and superior warriors with longing for exquisite things and capability readily to abandon it - all in one flagon.
The First God’s creation of intelligence.You can’t help not to admire theirs greatness in contributing to the development of the lesser race - the Men.
Another point of my great interest in the Elves is that the Children of God had been mentioned in the oldest book of human history -The Bible. So, according to the Bible, we are “many times removed” descendants of the Elves. ;)
Haldir & Rumil (http://elfwood.lysator.liu.se/loth/e/z/ezpeleta/979_haldir.jpg.html)
Here is picture of Haldir and Rumil by Maria Lombige Ezpeleta.
The way she depicting her elves is completely in tune how I see them:strong, tall and beautiful , they are mystifying and…intimidating. They are looking and behaving like man and yet not human.

[Haradrim]

Excuse me but if men are so lesser than elves than how come were still around. How come we saved Middle-Earth? How come we didn't run away from a fight with Sauron again. Huh! Huh! I think that humans and elves are equal cause were definately superior. :)

[Olmer]

Excuse me but if men are so lesser than elves than how come were still around. How come we saved Middle-Earth? How come we didn't run away from a fight with Sauron again. Huh! Huh! I think that humans and elves are equal cause were definately superior. :)
Let me point out :Haradrims DID NOT DO NOTHING to save the Middle-earth. :D :p

[Haradrim]

I was a good Haradrim and in fact stabbed several of my colleauges in the back on our way to pellenor. :) I did may part and so did the Gondorians. What did the ELves do at pellenor or at the battle at the black gate.

[Fewin Greenleaf]

but it is the race of men who is easily seduced, take for instance isildur and the 9 ringwraiths who were once men who craved for power.

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

Elladan and Elrohir were there doing their part for the elves there.

[Michael Martinez]

but it is the race of men who is easily seduced, take for instance isildur and the 9 ringwraiths who were once men who craved for power.

The Elves made the Rings of Power. Seems like they were pretty easily seduced.

[Fewin Greenleaf]

sorry but i have to disagree. elves might have made the three rings of power but their principal objective was not to rule middle earth. if elves were easily seduced, galadriel would have gotten hold of the ring when it was offered to him by frodo. celembrimor, too, could have stealed the ring from frodo if he really wanted the ring. the ring of power was already within the reach of the elves when frodo was in lothlorien. elrond, too, could have done it when the ring was in rivendell and so could have legolas, who was one of the eight companions of frodo. my point is....no elf made an attempt or even gave a thought of stealing the ring. if there was a race that showed any manifestation of greed, it was the race of men.

[Last Child of Ungoliant]

the best race is maiar,
more specifically, balrogs

will comment more later

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

celembrimor, too, could have stealed the ring from frodo if he really wanted the ring.
Celebrimbor? Are you sure you have the rigth elf? Celebrimbor was killed before the Last ALliance.

[Count Comfect]

Come on, what's with this silly elf-human debate? ;) It's clearly all about the dwarves. So cool that their creator couldn't even wait until the Elves were around by divine plan to build them :p. And everyone pays them for their superior craftsmanship in metal and stone. They don't even have to grow their own food!

[Michael Martinez]

sorry but i have to disagree. elves might have made the three rings of power but their principal objective was not to rule middle earth....

No, their objective was to hold back the effects of Time. They wanted to set aside Iluvatar's natural laws and make their own unnatural laws. That's a very evil thing to do, and Tolkien referred to the creation of the Rings of Power as a second fall for the Elves.

...if elves were easily seduced, galadriel would have gotten hold of the ring when it was offered to him by frodo.

Galadriel had had a great deal of time to think about the consequences of taking the Ring by the time Frodo offered it to her. But she still felt the temptation it offered her.

As Tolkien himself was quick to point out, the Elves were not entirely good.

[Olmer]

..no elf made an attempt or even gave a thought of stealing the ring.
Oh,yeah? Let me point to you that all original evil Rings of Power was made by the Elves and they had no intention of giving them away.
Why do you think Sauron had to use an extensive force to get those rings? :evil:
In mine point of view Sauron did them a big favour taking the blame on himself, because with the aid of the rings which were giving a power over the time and superiority over all other races the Elves downfall would be more sinister and much faster.
Of course , after Sauron's "fair distribution" of the Rings they had to settle down with three left, but an idea of getting the One had never been far out
I do not deny that my heart has greatly desired the Ring. For many long years I had pondered what I might do, should the great ring come into my hands. If Galadriel, one of the Wisest, so much lusted after the Ring, I would say that other elves,if giving them such offer, wouldn't turn it down.

But all this does not make them less great. I think they were great because they DARED and MANAGED to change the setting of nature made by Eru himself.For me it is the most amazing, awesome, intriguing and scary race.

And everyone pays them for their superior craftsmanship in metal and stone. They don't even have to grow their own food!
By the way, what do you think the dwarves were doing at the beginning of their race?
I mean they was not born as superior craftsmen. And how come they ended up living under the ground?

[Count Comfect]

I'm perfectly well aware that the dwarves had to grow food at the beginning of their existence, as well as the middle, and quite likely the end. However, Thorin very clearly says that they were paid by the men of Dale "especially in foodstuffs, which we never grew ourselves," so if you did it right, you could get away without growing food.

[cee2lee2]

Well, can't say which race is the best, but my favorites are the ents. Probably because I'm a tree hugger from way back. :) Though not hasty, they can be fierce when roused. And isn't it terribly sad that they lost the entwives :(

[Turambar1982]

Dragons. Definatly. I have no real reason for that, except maybe that almost nothing is known about them.
Gruß Turambar.

[Wayfarer]

Is it just me, or do certain people seem to want to turn the entire elven race into their own army of Mary Sues? :rolleyes:

Contrary to popular belief, the Elves were never perfect, nor were they significantly better than humans. The were just different. In fact Tolkien said that the defining factor was the way Elvish and Mannish spirits adapt their bodies to prepare for their seperate fates. Likewise, the sins of the elves were different from the sins of men due to their natures, but not less.

I'm a fan of all races. I suppose I'll be contrary and declare Orcs my favorite. :p

[Olmer]

I suppose I'll be contrary and declare Orcs my favorite. :p
According to the "rule of the game" you supposed to explain why. :) ;)

[Wayfarer]

I told you why. To be contrary. :p

[Aewionen]

Come on, what's with this silly elf-human debate? ;) It's clearly all about the dwarves. So cool that their creator couldn't even wait until the Elves were around by divine plan to build them :p. And everyone pays them for their superior craftsmanship in metal and stone. They don't even have to grow their own food!

I couldn't agree more! And I though I was the only person here who understood the awexomeness of the spiffing race of Mahal, or Aule, if you like. ^^

EDIT: Confusticate and bebother my silly sister who doesn't log off! -ahem- This is Gulio, not Aewionen. ^^

[Halbarad of the Dunedain]

Elves v. Humans... thats nonsense it's obvious that Hobbits would win anywas! Teo great kings of men and elves; Elendil and Gil-Galad, were slain trying to defeat Sauron, and yet one Hobbit defeated him quite nicely. :D In a war between men and elves, dwarves and hobbits would come out on top I think. As for the coolest race, I would have to say my personal favorite are the dwarves. No rivals in the crafts of hard metals and earth. Not to mention those hardcore berserker war dwarves!

[Durin1]

What about the Dwarves? According to Tolkien in one of the HoME books (Morgoth's Ring, I think):

"The most redoubtable warriors of all speaking peoples".

[Lenya]

I like the Elves - most likely because they have a sence of myth to them. (I guess that is mostly because I'm not an Elf myself :D ) And it is cool that they have so much wisdom. The average humans (not from Numenor) are kind of ignorant. Oh, and Dwarves don't really do it for me.

[Lenya]

Elves v. Humans... thats nonsense it's obvious that Hobbits would win anywas! Teo great kings of men and elves; Elendil and Gil-Galad, were slain trying to defeat Sauron, and yet one Hobbit defeated him quite nicely. :D In a war between men and elves, dwarves and hobbits would come out on top I think. As for the coolest race, I would have to say my personal favorite are the dwarves. No rivals in the crafts of hard metals and earth. Not to mention those hardcore berserker war dwarves!

I must admit, they do fight really cool :rolleyes:

[Wayfarer]

Hardcore Berserker War Dwarves? Which universe is that from? :rolleyes: :D

Okay, so dwarves were great warriors. It still amuses me to see how much of the way people think of Middle Earth is influenced by pop fantasy.

And Elves are still Mary Sues. :p

[Lenya]

:eek: how dare yousay that. They are not. Elves are noble, honourable and civilized. You should know I'm talking about the Elves in Silm, in LotR they were maybe a bit to secluded.

[Attalus]

And Elves are still Mary Sues. :pOh, yeah? Let's see you take on Satan/Morgoth and wound him eight times? :p :D

[BeardofPants]

:eek: how dare yousay that. They are not. Elves are noble, honourable and civilized. You should know I'm talking about the Elves in Silm, in LotR they were maybe a bit to secluded.

*cough* Feanor *cough* *cough* Eol *cough* *cough Curufin *cough* .....

[Wayfarer]

Gee, Lenya. I'm sorry that my bashing your sue-race has offended you. :p

It's not the elves I don't like. Tolkien's elves are the original, and still the best, modern fantasy representation of the motif. It's all those bloody elf-fangirls with the OMG Elves are so sexxeh + perfect.

Seriously. Get off of it, people.

Tolkien's elves were derived from humanity. Just like Hobbits and Orcs. Subtract a little here, add a little there, and viola. Some of the flaws that are common in humans are less common in Elves, some of the flaws that were rare in humans were quite common in Elves. I think it's a travesty the way people try to take Professor T's solidly grounded depiction of a demi-human race with its own quirks and foibles and turn it into some racial icon which they can lust over and project their ego through. :rolleyes:

As a final evidence in support of my proposition 'Elves are Mary Sues', I offer the following:


+ Do you take any negative feedback about the character as a personal affront? [4 points]
how dare yousay that. They are not. Elves are noble, honourable and civilized. You should know I'm talking about the Elves in Silm, in LotR they were maybe a bit to secluded.
Lenya! On your behalf and on behalf of everyone who shares your sentiment, I award 4 Sue Points to the elven race. :D

+ Skill in martial arts or hand-to-hand combat [2 points]
+ Does the character die a romantic death (e.g. suicide, execution, battle wounds, broken heart, etc.)? [5 points]
Oh, yeah? Let's see you take on Satan/Morgoth and wound him eight times? Attalus! On behalf of you, and JRR tolkien, I bestow upon the character of Fingolfin 6 Sue Points

The prosecution rests. :evil:

[Attalus]

Attalus! On behalf of you, and JRR tolkien, I bestow upon the character of Fingolfin 6 Sue Points

The prosecution rests. :evil:Kind of you. :p

[Wayfarer]

Kind of you. :p :) If by 'Kind' you mean 'Unkind', then thank you!

In case anyone was wondering, the 'Sue points' were awarded based on The Original Fiction
Mary-Sue Litmus Test (http://www.angelfire.com/gundam/otto/grayswandir/mary-sue-test.html) (which was the first entry Google gave me for "Mary Sue" and 'test' :D). While technically it's meant for single characters, it applies pretty well to the race as a whole.

The Elven race Tolkien wrote them would be 'borderline Mary Sue'. The Elven race as many fangirls (and boys) seem to percieve them would be 'Irredeemable Mary Sue'.

And for everybody who's been completely lost by this - suffice it to say that the term 'Mary Sue' refers to a phenomenon which is just one of a long list of reasons why all fanfic authors should DIE.

[BeardofPants]

*trying desperately hard not to imagine Shannon in a blonde curly wig savin' middle-earth as we speak, from the dreadful Mary-sues* :evil: :p

[Wayfarer]

Why would I even need a wig? Just get me a high-caliber weapon! :evil:

[BeardofPants]

Yes... but, did you really want to wear that blue dress? *blink*

[Wayfarer]

Robe, thank you very much!

[Attalus]

LOL, the chief character in my novel has only a 25, making her a Non-Sue. That's encouraging. :D

[BeardofPants]

Robe, thank you very much!

Right you are, Alice, right you are. Of course they're robes.

[Lenya]

Gee Wayfarer, you are very hard on the Elves... I think you're just jealous :evil: Don't worry, not everyone can cool :rolleyes:

[Wayfarer]

Well, you might notice I'm not really hard on elves so much as I am hard on elf fangirls (and fanboys) with your slavish devotion to the propositon that 'elves are omg so perfect!'. :evil: :D ;)

Addendum:

+ If someone calls your character a Mary Sue, do you immediately assume they're jealous? [2]

Congratulations! You just got the elven race another 2 Sue Points! Don't you feel speshul? :D

[Lostyia Delr-Padroot]

:D my favorite between them all are dragons and druids. and being a druid you can be of different races

[Lostyia Delr-Padroot]

Well, you might notice I'm not really hard on elves so much as I am hard on elf fangirls (and fanboys) with your slavish devotion to the propositon that 'elves are omg so perfect!'. :evil: :D ;)

Addendum:

+ If someone calls your character a Mary Sue, do you immediately assume they're jealous? [2]

Congratulations! You just got the elven race another 2 Sue Points! Don't you feel speshul? :D
i completly agree with the fact that elves are not perfect it seems to me that they throw away the little messups that are so great because they try to hard. you can't be perfect and intresting at the same time.

[Wayfarer]

*FLAME STRIKE*

A Druid is a religious position, not a race. Hence it cannot be a contender for favorite race! :D

[Earniel]

Which leads me to the question: are there even druids in Middle-earth or did I just miss a substantial part of Middle-earth? :confused:

[Lenya]

Wayfarer, you are mean to me ;)

Which leads me to the question: are there even druids in Middle-earth or did I just miss a substantial part of Middle-earth? :confused:

Nope, I don't think so. At least, no one has a title 'Druid' that I know of.

[Attalus]

Nope, no druids. JRRT tried very hard to keep overt religion out of the Legendarium, and Druids are priests.

[Wayfarer]

Wayfarer, you are mean to me ;) No. I'm not.

I'm mean to everybody.

[Rosie Gamgee]

Well, I think hobbits are the most original race in Tolkien's works, but i don't think they're my favorite. It is hard to decide, though. Probably, though, I'd have to go for those doughty, long-lived people from Numenor- where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking and all the children are above average. :D

[Lostyia Delr-Padroot]

*FLAME STRIKE*

A Druid is a religious position, not a race. Hence it cannot be a contender for favorite race! :D
it may be reliogous but they are put in a different group just as the elves and there for can count. and if not i will; find an argument.

[Wayfarer]

*rolls up the sleeves and pulls on a Druid Hat. Pulls out a scroll.*

"Ahem."

*EMPOWERED MAXIMIZED FLAME STRIKE* :D

'Druid' is not a race. PERIOD. In fact, in addition to not being a race it is not an Ethnicity, not a culture, not even technically a religion. It refers to a specific order of people within a specific religious tradition that was limited to a specific geographic location.

You're just plain wrong. 'Druid' is not a possible answer to the question 'What is your favorite race in Middle Earth'. It just doesn't work. AT ALL.

So, uh... Welcome to Entmoot! :D

[Rosie Gamgee]

You're just plain wrong...
So, uh... Welcome to Entmoot! :D
There is, as you may see, a reason why he is called The Insufferable. :D ;)

[Durin1]

But he is right.

[Attalus]

But he is right.
Yep. I'd rather be right than Insufferable. :p

[Wayfarer]

Ah! But why not be both! :evil:

Besides, it's so easy to be insufferable when you're right.

[BeardofPants]

Yeah, one wonders just how insufferable one can be when one has had one's underpants noogied over his ears? :evil:

*yanks wayfie's underoos over his head*

He's right though, dammit. *hell starts lookin' a lil' colder....

[Wayfarer]

Little does BOP know, Wayfarer has chosen to go Commando today.

<.< >.>

[BeardofPants]

Guess that makes the wedgie a bit more painful, huh? :p Wait.... did I really want to think about that? :eek:

[Wayfarer]

Not really, no. See, the pants are a bit more solid, and so are less likely to... er... 'wedge'. O.o

[Lostyia Delr-Padroot]

*rolls up the sleeves and pulls on a Druid Hat. Pulls out a scroll.*

"Ahem."

*EMPOWERED MAXIMIZED FLAME STRIKE* :D

'Druid' is not a race. PERIOD. In fact, in addition to not being a race it is not an Ethnicity, not a culture, not even technically a religion. It refers to a specific order of people within a specific religious tradition that was limited to a specific geographic location.

You're just plain wrong. 'Druid' is not a possible answer to the question 'What is your favorite race in Middle Earth'. It just doesn't work. AT ALL.

So, uh... Welcome to Entmoot! :D

yes i relize technically it is not a race but if you understood my first quote i dont have a specific type but think it is amaizing on how they can unite and become one force. THE FORCE OF THE DRUIDS. dont hate appreciate. and it is a culture.!!!!

[Radagast The Brown]

yes i relize technically it is not a race but if you understood my first quote i dont have a specific type but think it is amaizing on how they can unite and become one force. THE FORCE OF THE DRUIDS. dont hate appreciate. and it is a culture.!!!!I thought they were simply Celtic priests..? They were the leaders of the Celtic people, and they themselves didn't have exactly a culture, they were just a part of the Celtic culture. They sacrafised humans, by the way.

[Wayfarer]

*Sigh*

Excuse me. I'm dreadfully sorry about having to do this. ;)

*Wild Shapes into a Huge Fire Elemental*

*Hits Lostyia Delr-Padroot with two Slam attacks. To the head.* :p

Does anyone even get that joke? I'm not actually sure people know what I'm referring to. :rolleyes:

[Haradrim]

I get it wayfarer. good one actually. In fact you can take the joke and prove that druids cannot be picked as a race or culture. Druid is a class of people. You can no more say a fighter or paladin or wizard is a race or culture than you can say druids are. They were an organized faction.
Also you cant pick them because they dont exist in ME.
Yeah DnD!

[Wayfarer]

Heheh. Cool. :D

[Haradrim]

And witht that argument my 20th level fighter beats your measily 5th level Druids butt! Woot! ;)

[Elemmírë]

'Druid' is not a race. PERIOD. In fact, in addition to not being a race it is not an Ethnicity, not a culture, not even technically a religion. It refers to a specific order of people within a specific religious tradition that was limited to a specific geographic location.

yes i relize technically it is not a race but if you understood my first quote i dont have a specific type but think it is amaizing on how they can unite and become one force. THE FORCE OF THE DRUIDS. dont hate appreciate. and it is a culture.!!!!

I think you guys are talking about two types of Druids who are theoretically very different. Wayfarer, you're obviously correct... The Celtic Druids who died out at the time of the rise of Christianity were much more than just priests, but according to history were teachers, historians, judges, and the like. I'm not going into it any further, since it's irrelevant to the topic.

While I have no idea why Lostyia brought it up in the context, she might be confusing the ancient Druids with the resurgent neo-Pagan, neo-Druid tradition, though I personally would not call that a culture either.

They sacrafised humans, by the way.

From what I've read, very little is known for certain one way or the other about the Druids, since they never wrote down anything. I don't think anyone really knows, but the sacrifices could very well be propaganda. Rumours were documented by the Romans, who would obviously want to demonise the Celts, feared and hated enemies.

:D

Anyway... Enough with druids. My favourite race is the Elves, especially the Noldor, because I'm completely obsessed, love their languages, and have read the Silmarillion several times too many... :p

:D

[Wayfarer]

Oh you do not want to get me started along that vein. :)

[Haradrim]

My favorite race... hmm.....


I have to go with Humans and more specifically Hobbits. Hint Hint wink wink BoP.

Hobbits just represent the good in this world. They are just so kidn and homely. They have their flaws but they are just so cool. I mean c'mon they perfected pipweed.

And btw they are so cool.

[Lostyia Delr-Padroot]

well anyway im backing off this argument scence were on completely different pages actually more like completly different books.(both literly and not) so anyway i am a big fan of dragons: i believe i said that at first anyway. i think that they are magnificent beings and can relate to them (yes relate to them believe it or not.)

[BeardofPants]

What's there to back out of? Druids are NOT a race. It's that freakin' simple.

[Wayfarer]

My Epic Druid uses his Wild-Shape ability and transforms into a Young Force Dragon and makes a full attack action against Lostyia Delr-Padroot. Claw-Claw-Bite-Wing-Wing-Tailslap-Quickened Breath Weapon.

You know, you're right. I can definitely relate to this. :evil: :D

Er. Now look what you've made me do! *glare* Wayfarer, Away!

[Haradrim]

But then my mage uses teleport, teleports in fron tof you, teleports back with you and holds you accountable for being so mean. Then he whaps yoiu back on the hand and then wild shapes into an ancient wyrm. And kills everyone for having to argue about whether or not druids are a race. Then he says now that you mention it dragons are cool but favorite I dont know I mean c'mopn they dont really have any major roles cept Smaug. Now Eagles they are wicked awesome.

[Wayfarer]

Grr. Temptation to make another gaming-related comment.

No. I'll be good. For now... Fwahahahaha

[Haradrim]

I know wyrm shaping doesnt really exist but they dont know that. Another cool race would have to be the dwarves. I mean they are just cool. Good in a pionch, fun, and probably the most loyal of the races. I dont know but I have a warm place in my heart for dwarves.

[Wayfarer]

I know wyrm shaping doesnt really exist but they dont know that. Dude! Dragon Wild-Shape is so possible! Granted, you need 27 Levels, 2 Feats, and a copy of the ELH, but it can be done! :evil:

Err... *eyeshift* I guess that's off topic though, huh. Perhaps we need a D20 PowerPlay thread. :D There's all sorts of fun stuff that can be done with that topic.

[Haradrim]

yeah well I mean in normal dnd 3.5 so there. Hmph
and thats not a bad idea. ooh we could all create different characters and be those characters instead. So we have different discussions about whatever but as our dnd characters. Oohhh Ill just go anfd trey that out. Later. Anywho back on topic. you know what my favorite race is. The numenorians. SO breave, so epic, so strong. and they gave us aragorn so....

[Wayfarer]

Hey! The ELH is /totally/ core. :p You can do the whole dragon wild-shape with SRD material. You want to challenge me to a character-building match? (You know... it's not as easy, but we could have some fun with the LOTR RPG as well. :D) Anyway.

Still orcs over here. The biggest reason orcs are the coolest race in ME is that they're the only 'evil fantasy race' I've ever seen that's even remotely realistic. The individual orcs that are shown in the LOTR are quite believable.

[Haradrim]

yeah sure Ill take you on. But only core books meaning players, dungeons, and monster. WHat are the rules.

Also orcs are wicked cool but the best I dont know. I mean they are believable but they are just not as big of characters. However Gothmog is definately my fav evil character. Whats everyones favorite non major race?

[Lenya]

You know, you really talked a lot of crap about some people that don't even exist in ME. I was gone all this time and I didn't even mess a thing :)

[Attalus]

You know, you really talked a lot of crap about some people that don't even exist in ME. I was gone all this time and I didn't even mess a thing :)Thus does boredom beget spamming which begets D&D. :rolleyes:

[Lenya]

Well I am just glad I didn't miss anything on this thread, unlike others.

Dragons are quite cool. Their whole immage rocks, but in Tolkien's books they don't really have stunning personalities. That sucks a bit - but then, the stories aren't exactly about the dragons, so it's understandible.

[Earniel]

I don't know, Both Smaug and Glaurung, were pretty smart - if not somewhat evil. I'd go even further and say that Smaug quite had style.

[Attalus]

I don't know, Both Smaug and Glaurung, were pretty smart - if not somewhat evil. I'd go even further and say that Smaug quite had style.
Smaug, IMHO, has been the model for all of the fantasy dragons that I have ever read about. Clever, malicious, greedy and vain.

[Lenya]

I don't know, Both Smaug and Glaurung, were pretty smart - if not somewhat evil. I'd go even further and say that Smaug quite had style.

*shakes her head*
I didn't like Smaug, he was foolish and way too confident. I think Glaurung could have had a bigger role, and they are the only dragons that actually had a significant role.

[Lenya]

The Eagles rock also, especially in Silm where they are even bigger and better. Hence the vere dramatic effect of the words : "The Eagles are comming! The Eagles are comming!"

[Lenya]

Don't you just love the sad undertone the Elves have (music of the Ainur)? You know, compared to Elves, men seem like amatures in life.

[me9996]

I like wizards!
They have magic and can use it and are neat!

[strider8]

My favorite race are Dwarves because they are good fighters and they are very sturdy. :) :D

[Morgoth the Elfbit]

I like the dwarves a lot too but my favorite race is the Elfbit. For those of you who dont know an elfbit is a half elf, half hobbit. They are very short, they have pointy ears, and furry feat. Though their feet are not as large as a hobbit they more closely resemble an elf. They are very slender and graceful. Most share the hobbits love of sitting around and doing nothing however some feel a greater calling to the manic depressiveness of the elves. For visual reference look at my avatar take away the blue, the hat, and the shoes, and make them skinny and theyre you go.

[Lenya]

I like wizards!
They have magic and can use it and are neat!

That's a big surprise :rolleyes: :p

I like the dwarves a lot too but my favorite race is the Elfbit. For those of you who dont know an elfbit is a half elf, half hobbit. They are very short, they have pointy ears, and furry feat. Though their feet are not as large as a hobbit they more closely resemble an elf. They are very slender and graceful. Most share the hobbits love of sitting around and doing nothing however some feel a greater calling to the manic depressiveness of the elves. For visual reference look at my avatar take away the blue, the hat, and the shoes, and make them skinny and theyre you go.

And if I ask, just how did this Elfbit race come into being? :rolleyes: It is difficult for me to draw a connection between Elves and Hobbits.

[Elemmírë]

Elfbits... someone is going to read this thread and think that Elfbits really exist! :p

Don't you just love the sad undertone the Elves have (music of the Ainur)? You know, compared to Elves, men seem like amatures in life.

Yes.

[Morgoth the Elfbit]

(Gasp) Elemmire! How dare you insinuate that the Elfbit doesnt exist. I cant even think about a world without the admirable elfbit. Yeesh. I think just for that. Finrod is... well.... uh..... not... cool. Yeah thats it hes not cool,

Oh and the origin of the Elfbit is an interesting thing as well. Far back in time when the hobbit and the elf first came about a few small fat elves were attracted to what seemed to be small, fat elves. (Dont ask me its something wierd) But they decided to marry and well thats history. Interesting side note when they found out that the short fat elves were in fact hobbits it caused no end of trouble in Middle Earth. The Breaking of the World? That was the real reason.

[Lenya]

But didn't the short fat elves realize the others (latter found out to be hobbits) doesn't speak elvish all that good. And did the hobbits deliberately hide their true identities from the elves? And weren't the elves furious when they found out they were being lied to (=divorce)? :rolleyes:

[Earniel]

Is it just me or does somebody else finds the name 'Elfbit slightly...Idunno... disturbing? :p

I think I'll stick to RE and Mauramellon's 'Elfit' for possible Hobbit-Elf-hybrids.

[Last Child of Ungoliant]

me, i'll stick with hob-els, though they must have a limp :p

[Voronwen]

LOL, the chief character in my novel has only a 25, making her a Non-Sue. That's encouraging. :D
Haha! Funny how i happened upon this character-test while i am in the midst of working things out with my own character. She gets 27 points as it stands - 20 of which simply come from her name (because it's the name i use, here and elsewhere). But she is also Non-Sue, despite a few, um, details of the plot (phew! :p). I can't believe some of the things in that test, though! :rolleyes: I've seen these kinds of tests before and am always appalled by the vast majority of what's on them - do people actually write that stuff? :eek: Wait, don't tell me, i don't want to know! :p :p

Now to answer the original question of this thread (yes, i like bringing back old threads, sorry ;)).

Which of the races of middle-earth did you like best.

Men, Atani, Secondborn. Whatever you want to call them, there's no contest. :cool:

Specifically i love the Numenoreans. They represent all of the highest and most noble traits of humanity.

:)

[TurinTurambar]

Id have to say Huan. hes like a race of his own. definitely a bad mama jama

[Hobbit103]

I like the Elfits, Elfbit is a kinda scary name. But they combine both of my fave races- the Elves and the hobbits who are me every way around except stomach size and height. I wonder if there are any archers................... but if not yay more archery space for me!