worst qoutes in lotr

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what do you think the worst thing one of the characters says in lotr ?

[Nurvingiel]

Gimli: You're going to have to toss me Aragorn. Don't tell the Elf!
(and the ensuing scene) :rolleyes:

[Beor]

The line that totally ruined the whole movie franchise for me was Arwen at the Ford. I dare not speak it here, but you all know. Nothing against Liv Tyler, I just couldnt take the line.

[Tuor of Gondolin]

Come on, Beor! Be a man!
If you want the line come and claim it! :D
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While it's difficult to argue with the Ford of Bruinen or dwarf tossing, how about Theoden's hissing fit about not helping Gondor because they didn't come to Rohan's aid. (Hey, big guy, remember you were unexorcised B. G. (before Gandalf) and Gondor was going up against the bad guy's first team).

[hectorberlioz]

the wordst has to those small legolas lines.

FotR: "you mean not ot follow them?":rolleyes:
TTT: cant think of any right now...
RotK: *nods head* "A diversion"

[Starr Polish]

TTT: This forest is old. Very old.

Duh..most forests ARE old...

[gimli7410]

high chance of death,small chance of success,what are we waiting for (or however it goes) that line for me was a kick in the pants:p

[Yodaman]

Any line where Frodo defends Gollum.

[Lady Ravyn]

Originally posted by Yodaman
Any line where Frodo defends Gollum.

indeed.

or how 'bout:
Elrond (also known as Sad-Sack around my house) in RotK: Arwen is dying.
#1~really? and why would that be? cuz you failed to explain exactly why
#2~no duh! for that matter, so am i! we've all gotta go someday!

[Khamûl]

A red sun rises. Blood has been spilled this night.

[hectorberlioz]

lol! yeah that one was really bad.

"what does your heart tell you?" aragorn to gandalf.

[Dúnedain]

Originally posted by hectorberlioz
"what does your heart tell you?" aragorn to gandalf.

Booooo! I liked that exchange...

Legolas got stuck with all the cheesy lines, maybe that's why Tolkien didn't let him talk much, lol :p

[hectorberlioz]

you liked that part? yikes!:p king of cheese! king of cheese!:p
I thought that Aragorn would never say a cheesy ting like that, especcially to gandalf of all people.

[Dúnedain]

Originally posted by hectorberlioz
you liked that part? yikes!:p king of cheese! king of cheese!:p
I thought that Aragorn would never say a cheesy ting like that, especcially to gandalf of all people.

Actually, I believe something like that is in the books. I just finished reading them yet again last week and I could have sworn there was a similar exchange...

And why wouldn't he say that to Gandalf? They were very close friends...

[Nurvingiel]

Originally posted by hectorberlioz
"what does your heart tell you?" aragorn to gandalf.
I thought Gandalf said something like that to Aragorn. (In the books.)

[Beor]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Tuor of Gondolin
[B]Come on, Beor! Be a man!
If you want the line come and claim it! :D
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I cant! *crying* I cant, she's too strong! *continues sobbing violently*

[Dúnedain]

Originally posted by Nurvingiel
I thought Gandalf said something like that to Aragorn. (In the books.)

As I said above, I am pretty sure something to that effect is said in the books...I gotta look it up, but it will wait till tomorrow :p

[Cirdan]

"I shall draw you Saruman as poison is drawn from a wound."

Might as well be, "I shall draw you Saruman, as a child draws a tree with a crayon".

[Nurvingiel]

:D LOL Cirdan! I forgot about that line, probably because I used about 8 litres of Mind Bleach to erase that dreadful scene from my mind.

*to do: buy more Mind Bleach*

[AL.D]

I've never posted before, but my agreement with Hectorberlioz is so vehement on this one, I just had to.
Legolas' 2 words "A diversion" just made me slap my forehead and say DOH! Terrible bit of scripting.
Legolas certainly does seem to get a lot of duff lines...or maybe it's just the way Orlando delivers them?
Also, the Aragorn line from TT : "Legolas...What do your elf-eyes see?" always cracks me up. Not sure why, just find it funny.

[Tuor of Gondolin]

Originally posted by AL.D
Legolas...What do your elf-eyes see?" always cracks me up. Not sure why, just find it funny.
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This is one of two of the instances of PJ "dumbing down" the script that I found irritating. In the movie it's sufficient to say "What do your eyes see?" not "elf-eyes:. It's
similar to constantly referring to lembas as "lembas bread". Have the characters once per movie say "lembas bread", then just "lembas". He must think movie goers are realllly slow and have to be constantly reminded what it is, as well as reminded that elves have good eyesight.

[Khamûl]

Legolas' line about the diversion cracks me up every time. After he said that, my girlfriend just looked at me with a, "No crap. :rolleyes:" look on her face. Hello, it's Mr. State-the-Obvious man. Or maybe he's a little slow on the uptake.

[Nurvingiel]

Originally posted by Tuor of Gondolin
Originally posted by AL.D
Legolas...What do your elf-eyes see?" always cracks me up. Not sure why, just find it funny.
Legolas, what to the troll eyes that you keep in your pocket see?:rolleyes:

This is one of two of the instances of PJ "dumbing down" the script that I found irritating. In the movie it's sufficient to say "What do your eyes see?" not "elf-eyes:. It's
similar to constantly referring to lembas as "lembas bread". Have the characters once per movie say "lembas bread", then just "lembas". He must think movie goers are realllly slow and have to be constantly reminded what it is, as well as reminded that elves have good eyesight.
I agree. Line that was cut:
Sam: After I used the dowel stick to prop up the tomatoes...

[hectorberlioz]

Lol!:p :D

Arwen*raspy voice*: you saw my child!
Elrond: nope.
Arwen: my dog?:confused:
Elrond: guess again.

:rolleyes: come on, enough with the elvish soap opera.

[Nariel]

"The sky is veiled." geez. can we get any more prosaic? Yeah, Legolas got stuck with all the cheesy lines. When we remake it, make sure Dunedain gets them. Hail the King of Cheese!

"A diversion" No freakin' way! Really? Thanks a bundle Captain Obvious!

Okay, but I do like what Orlando said about his character:

"Everyone else is always talking and I'm just a minor character. So while they're having their discussions, I'm just the guy in the back, going, 'I'm sensing something.'"

LOL. Yeah, maybe he should have said that. And then waved his hand about, convincing people to follow his ideas, and then mind-melded somebody. Geez. Why didn't they just call him Legolas the Vulcan Jedi?

[Nurvingiel]

Originally posted by Nariel
Okay, but I do like what Orlando said about his character:

"Everyone else is always talking and I'm just a minor character. So while they're having their discussions, I'm just the guy in the back, going, 'I'm sensing something.'"
Orlando tells it like it is. LOL! :D

[AL.D]

Another line that always makes me cringe is from TT when Gollum leads Sam and Frodo into the marshes. There they all are, standing at the edge of what is obviously a huge swamp, they are surrounded by swamp, there is swamp as far as the eye can see, in fact Sam has just put his foot in the swamp…

Sam: “Oh, it’s a bog. He’s led us into a swamp�. Cut to huge shot of swamp!

Thank you Sam. Say what you see.
:rolleyes:

[b.banner]

boromir:gondor has no king gondor needs no king. that one has always been cheesy to me!

[Nurvingiel]

But it lead to the funniest lines in the Pants game - Gondor has no pants, Gondor needs no pants! :D

[Ninquelote]

"I AM NO MAN! -slice-"

[Sminty_Smeagol]

AUGHHHH i know that scene = so corny

[Nurvingiel]

I thought that scene was fine, except they should have left the line as "No man am I" and kept the proper timing. Also, not explaining Merry's sword really damaged that scene IMO.

[Bombadillo]

Originally posted by Ninquelote
"I AM NO MAN! -slice-" *shudder*

Everything that was said about the Paths of the Dead, and in the Paths of the Dead.

Smeagol: "And take it for MEEEEE!"
Gollum: *scowl* "For us!"
Smeagol: "Yes, of course, we meants 'us', precious..."
Theatre: *endless laughter*
Me: "AAAAAAH!!!!"

[Nurvingiel]

LOL Bombadillo! :D

Arwen: You have seen my son.

Me: Boo, get off the stage!

[cassiopeia]

Since we're talking about the obvious, when Gollum is talking to himself while looking into the running water, he says something about killing the hobbits and then mentions he's done it before. Then it cuts to the scene of Smeagol and Deagol at the beginning. I think we can remember that scene -- we're not that stupid. Spoon feeding us again, aren't you, PJ? :rolleyes:

Okay, now to worst quotes:

Let's hunt some orc -- Aragorn, FOTR

The stars are veiled. -- Legolas, ROTK

Go home -- Frodo to Sam, ROTK. Yeah, I still think that change is horrible.

[Dúnedain]

Originally posted by cassiopeia
Since we're talking about the obvious, when Gollum is talking to himself while looking into the running water, he says something about killing the hobbits and then mentions he's done it before. Then it cuts to the scene of Smeagol and Deagol at the beginning. I think we can remember that scene -- we're not that stupid. Spoon feeding us again, aren't you, PJ? :rolleyes:


Well considering not everyone who saw the movie read the books, I doubt they'd know who Deagol is...:rolleyes:

[Orion]

Originally posted by cassiopeia

Let's hunt some orc -- Aragorn, FOTR

I was going to say that one too.

Did a nazgul really say

Give us the halfling, she elf! - or is it from my nightmare?

[Nurvingiel]

LOL! Yeah, "let's hunt some orc" really cheapened the Three Hunters noble and desparate attempt to rescue their friends.

Don't worry Orion, that line is from your nightmares. Nightmares about what the "Flight to the Ford" scene was subversively saying.

[Cirdan]

"What this? A ranger caught off his guard?"

nice girlfriend:rolleyes:

*reaches for N.'s Mind Bleach*

[Tuor of Gondolin]

Originally posted by Nurvingiel
LOL! Yeah, "let's hunt some orc" really cheapened the Three Hunters noble and desparate attempt to rescue their friends.
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Pity the screenwriters couldn't have invented some other bit. Something like, oh, let me think...I know!

How about if Aragorn says: "With hope or without hope we will follow the trail of our enemies. And woe to them, if we prove the swifter! We will make such a chase as shall be accounted a marvel among the Three Kindreds: Elves, Dwarves, and Men. Forth the Three Hunters!"

Oh wait, that's already in the book!:rolleyes:

[hectorberlioz]

[EDIT]
seriously though, watch the weathertop scene; after aragorn chases the black riders, it switches to a frodo afterhetakes off the ring, and he looks...strange...and sam is holding his hand.

[Bombadillo]

Did anybody else notice the hideous facial expression made by Aragorn when he was pinned against a tree with a thrown shield in FotR? (I forget the exact battle, most likely Amon Hen)
That was the dumbest line ever, even without words.

[Mrs Maggot]

As far as I'm concerned most of the worst lines in the movies belong to Legolas. My brother and I crack up every time we hear…

'This forest is old…[meaningful pause]… Very old.' Well, yes Legolas. :rolleyes:

and from RotK:

'The horses are restless and the men are quiet!' especially since his tone of voice makes him sound like he thinks it's some great insight!!

[cassiopeia]

Originally posted by Dúnedain
Well considering not everyone who saw the movie read the books, I doubt they'd know who Deagol is...:rolleyes:

I'm sorry, I don't understand. The point was that a flashback of Smeagol killing Deagol was shown only minutes after we had seen it at the beginning. There is no need for the audience to know Deagol at all -- only that he found the Ring and Gollum/Smeagol killed him for it.

[Lady Ravyn]

i thought that whole scene was retarded; and that fish thing? eew! it was gross, but i felt like offering him a tooth pick or something...

[Beor]

I'm actually glad they explained it to the audience (I'm a sucker for history). I have always liked the story of Smeagol and Deagol, and at least Andy Sirkis (Sp?) got to actually get some real film time.

[Tuor of Gondolin]

Originally posted by Mrs. Maggot
This forest is old…[meaningful pause]… Very old.' Well, yes Legolas.

and from RotK:

'The horses are restless and the men are quiet!' especially since his tone of voice makes him sound like he thinks it's some great insight!!
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While I see your point, I think that these particular quotes were generally appropriate and from the books. The one about the forest would have been better if the script had stuck more to the book:
"It is old, very old. So old that almost I feel young again, as I have not felt since I journeyed with you children. It is old and full of memory. I could have been happy here, if I had come in days of peace." (reminding the audience of the (not visually apparent) differences of age and how in affects the three kindreds).

The other one about the Rohan horses and riders is, I believe, an insight. Legolas is saying that there may be cause for concern since the men seem anxious and concerned, not psyched up for battle, and the horses are skittish, not how you'd want them before combat.

Just an opinion.:)

[Mrs Maggot]

Yeah I see where you're coming from… it's just the way that he says it that's funny i suppose!

[thranduil]

aragorn- the army was bred for a single purpose

theoden looks forward as if to ask "yes aragorn, tell me"


aragorn- to wipe out the world of men

or something like that, its mostly theoden that bugs me. even though its not a quote

[Nurvingiel]

Originally posted by Mrs. Maggot
This forest is old…[meaningful pause]… Very old.' Well, yes Legolas.

Originally posted by Tuor of Gondolin
While I see your point, I think that these particular quotes were generally appropriate and from the books. The one about the forest would have been better if the script had stuck more to the book:
"It is old, very old. So old that almost I feel young again, as I have not felt since I journeyed with you children. It is old and full of memory. I could have been happy here, if I had come in days of peace." (reminding the audience of the (not visually apparent) differences of age and how in affects the three kindreds).
It sounds good in the books, but skimming that line down really just made it sound like a stupid comment. This is unfortunate because it isn't really, and I don't think the line in the movie conveyed how old Fangorn really was.

[Starr Polish]

It would have sounded better if he had said "This forest is old...so old that I feel young again."

[Gerbil]

PJ has obviously been taking lessons from this man:

http://www-scf.usc.edu/~jwyner/obvious.jpg

[ryttu3k]

Originally posted by Nurvingiel
Don't worry Orion, that line is from your nightmares. Nightmares about what the "Flight to the Ford" scene was subversively saying.

Noooo... noooo it's not a nightmare, I found the scripts at A Hobbit's Tale yesterday, it actually DOES say, "Give us the halfling, she-elf!"

Noooooooooo!

[Aragorn_iz_cool]

"The light of the Evenstar is fading." :rolleyes:
"I'm the faster rider" That line has annoyed me for ages.



Yeah, that was a typo. :o

[Gerbil]

Was that a typo? She says:

'I'm the faster rider'

She says other things, but I've just eaten, so won't dwell on them.

[Nariel]

Funniest stupid line (it's hilarious but really stupid when you think about it)

Gimli at the battle of Pelennor Fields "That still only counts for one!"

Nope, sorry, Nurv. You're wrong. The funniest Pants game line was:
"This is for Frodo! This is for the Shire! And this is for my own Pants!"

[Telcontar]

Out of all the lines in the movies, the only one that made me cringe was when Sam was rescuing Frodo at Cirith Ungol. "This is for Frodo..." blah blah blah. It just did not fit in this type of movie. I did not mind any other quote but this one. I actually enjoyed the other quotes; maybe I'm cheesy then. But this one from Sam just should not have been there. I looked around the theater at that part to see if anybody was rolling their eyes in disgust. I was actually almost ashamed for the movie since I'm such a big fan.

[ethuiliel]

Talking about obvious, I can't stand the line in Balin's Tomb when Legolas says "Orcs" when Frodo pulls out Sting and it's blue. Didn't Bilbo already say that it "glows blue when Orcs are close"?

[Lalaith_Elf]

Don't know if it's been mentioned, but at Helm's Deep when Theoden says "To the gate. Draw your swords" I mean, DUH!:rolleyes: isn't that what you usually do when your in a battle. It's just common sense. You don't walk to the gate and say something along the lines of "Can you please stop doing that, otherwise my army - who don't seem to be able fight without me directing their every move - will come and kill you, even though you greatly out number us!"

Wow.... that felt good.....;) :D

[Rían]

Originally posted by Cirdan
Might as well be, "I shall draw you Saruman, as a child draws a tree with a crayon".

by Nurvi
I forgot about that line, probably because I used about 8 litres of Mind Bleach to erase that dreadful scene from my mind.

*to do: buy more Mind Bleach*

LOL!!! *runs to the store for mind bleach*

[Rían]

Originally posted by hectorberlioz
Arwen*raspy voice*: you saw my child! ....

That scene really bugs me, because it totally eliminates the great love between Arwen and Aragorn. It's like she's "well, I guess I'll obey poppy and ditch Aragorn and sail to Valinor ... *sees vision of kid* - HEY! I had a kid with him! Oh well, guess I'll stick around - I love kids!, and I need some guy to have a kid, so it might as well be that unshaven twit Aragorn ... I guess I'll have to stick around."

[Lady Ravyn]

Originally posted by RÃ*an
That scene really bugs me, because it totally eliminates the great love between Arwen and Aragorn. It's like she's "well, I guess I'll obey poppy and ditch Aragorn and sail to Valinor ... *sees vision of kid* - HEY! I had a kid with him! Oh well, guess I'll stick around - I love kids!, and I need some guy to have a kid, so it might as well be that unshaven twit Aragorn ... I guess I'll have to stick around."

LOL! :D
yeah and i think it kinda degrades the realtionship between arwen and elrond- as if elrond was lying to her

[GrayMouser]

Theoden to Eowyn at Dunharrow:

" I would have you smile again"

"Uh, let's see, by this point we've established that there is no possibility of the Rohirrim relieving Gondor, Sauron's going to win, the whole world is going to be covered in Darkness and we're all gonna get slaughterd by Orcs so what exactly AM I SUPPOSED TO BE SMILING ABOUT?!?"

(Theoden then adds that Eowyn will live to see these days renewed, thus destroying the whole mood which is supposed to be courage even in the absence of hope- good one, PJ.)

Especially considering Eowyn's bitter lines in the book, spoken to Aragorn:

"All your words are but to say, you are a woman and your part is in the house. But when the men have died in battle and honour, you have leave to be burned in the house, for the men will need it no more."

Considering all the stick Tolkien has taken over the years for supposedly being anti-female and that PJ had to build up Arwen so much to counter it, to leave out this line is terrible.

[Aewionen]

"What do trees have to talk about except the consistancy of squirrel droppings."

Why can't they have Gimli say something intelligent for once??!?

Legolas: (shoots already dead orc) "It was twitching!"

Gimli won! Get over it....the guy can't stand loosing to a dwarf.

[Valandil]

OK, in general, I like the movies - or at least accept them for what they are (movies!) and appreciate the fact that we at least have SOMETHING in that form - and that many people who were unfamiliar are getting interested in Tolkien (just started another friend on the books: he's read 'The Hobbit' and told me this morning he's on 'Council of Elrond' in FotR).

Anyway, I can't give the exact words, but when Elrond comes to Aragorn at Dunharrow, gives him the sword and advises him to "give up his rangerin' ways and be who he was supposed to be..." This whole thing has been discussed before I think - Aragorn in the book being a 'ranger' with purpose - doing the 'dirty work' to prepare himself for his ultimate goal of defeating Sauron, ruling both Gondor and Arnor, and wedding the girl of his dreams - to Aragorn in the movies - in doubt, seeking to avoid his destiny and heritage,etc.

Anyway... when Elrond says what he does there, I just can't keep from hearing in my head the song 'Desperado'

Desperado...
Why don't you come to your senses,
You been out ridin' fences...
For so long...

:D

[luinilwen]

amongst all the hobbit claiming, she-elves and men who are not men, one of my most detested lines is in fotr:

Elrond: "Gandalf - the ring cannot stay here!"

it really annoys me that Elrond would say something like that - I just don't think he would talk like that to one of the Ainur and a fellow ring bearer as though he were a dumb sh**! maybe that's nitpicking but it really annoys me, although I like to quote it with a really bad Indian accent because it makes my sister laugh... but we're both absolutely insane. :D

gah!

[Gerbil]

Good point, but of course in film LotR Gandalf is made much more crappy - stuid (just watched FotR again, and he really comes across as a bit ignorant - how about when he first meets up with Saruman for help) and a bully (take that you naughty Denethor - And that, and that!).

Not to mention he's never revealed to be bearing the ring of fire, even though of course he makes a reference to it on the Bridge of Khazad-dum :/

[Last Child of Ungoliant]

in response to Cirdan
Gandalf actually says:
"I withdraw you Saruman, as poison is drawn from a wound!"
NOT "I shall draw you Saruman, as poison is drawn from a wound.":confused:

[Gerbil]

Must admit I always thought the first part was:

'I will draw you'

The rest I hear as something like

'Saruman, unlike the rubbish left in this script'

[Last Child of Ungoliant]

Yes gerbil, although most of the script is utter nonsense, this was for those that saw the films, and yet [for some strange reason] not read the books
however, i believe that it is the general feel of the film that some people saw it for, and PJ passed his test with that one

[Mrs Maggot]

Must admit I always thought the first part was:

'I will draw you'


That's funny, I was sure it was that as well. it sounds slightly better…

[Gerbil]

Originally posted by Last Child of Ungoliant
Yes gerbil, although most of the script is utter nonsense, this was for those that saw the films, and yet [for some strange reason] not read the books
however, i believe that it is the general feel of the film that some people saw it for, and PJ passed his test with that one Yeah I get your point, but 'general feeling' vs actual script is kind of lame - most people will have got the 'feel' from the stunning scenery, costumes, make-up and design etc, which I personally feel they did get pretty damn close to perfect.
The script though has very little to do with it, and parts of it are so cringe-enducing (even to filmy onlys, like my gf although she's finally seeing the light and reading the books!) that it has to make you wonder...

[Tuor of Gondolin]

Originally posted by Gerbil
The script though has very little to do with it, and parts of it are so cringe-enducing (even to filmy onlys, like my gf although she's finally seeing the light and reading the books!) that it has to make you wonder...
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To interject a bit, that's what periodically exasperated me with the movies, they would replace for no apparent reason book lines with script changes, the classic being Arwen's "If you want him, come and claim him" replacing Frodo's "By Elbereth and Luthien the Fair, you shall have neither the Ring nor me.", which not only sounds better, but gives the feeling of depth that JRRT's so good at, plus Frodo doesn't look like a total doofus.

P.S. Haven't been in London in a while. How's the Milennial (Milennium?) Bridge holding out?
Hope no one's singing:
"Milennial Bridge is falling down, falling down, falling down,
Milennial Bridge is falling down, my fair lady.":)

[Last Child of Ungoliant]

Originally posted by Gerbil
Yeah I get your point, but 'general feeling' vs actual script is kind of lame - most people will have got the 'feel' from the stunning scenery, costumes, make-up and design etc, which I personally feel they did get pretty damn close to perfect.
The script though has very little to do with it, and parts of it are so cringe-enducing (even to filmy onlys, like my gf although she's finally seeing the light and reading the books!) that it has to make you wonder...

i was not argueing that the general feeling beat the script, merely that the films were good enough as stand alones, where some films do not follow the book that they were based on.
however, i respect your points entirely, and apologise to you as i obviously had not phrased my posting correctly

[Gerbil]

Maybe we should have a new thread - 'best non-tolkien line'.
Not that I'd expect it to get a lot of posts :)

As for Millenium Bridge, dunno - I think you are actually allowed to walk on it now, which is an improvement!

[Nurvingiel]

Originally posted by Last Child of Ungoliant
Yes gerbil, although most of the script is utter nonsense, this was for those that saw the films, and yet [for some strange reason] not read the books
however, i believe that it is the general feel of the film that some people saw it for, and PJ passed his test with that one
Thanks for clearing that up LCoU (can I call you that? ;)). In its now correct form, I think it still ranks among the lousiest lines, at least partly due to the scene of Saruman getting "excorcised".

[Last Child of Ungoliant]

Originally posted by Nurvingiel
Thanks for clearing that up LCoU (can I call you that? ;)). In its now correct form, I think it still ranks among the lousiest lines, at least partly due to the scene of Saruman getting "excorcised".

i think the main reason it ranks as one of the worst scenes was that the film shows Saruman as possessing Theoden in some way, whereas the book quite clearly states that it was a speel, due to Grima of the Wormtongue.
(yes you can call me LCoU, but i'll settle for Chrys!!):D

[Last Child of Ungoliant]

I meant spell, not speel!!
:confused:
:D
:)

[Nurvingiel]

Chrys is a better nickname. BTW, you can edit posts by clicking the bottom right button in the post.

All the worst lines are associated with either fabricated plot devices (ie. Theoden's "possession") or completely made up scripts (ie. many of Elrond and Arwen's ridiculous lines).

As far as I know, the only other movies that Jackson directed were B-rate horror flicks (someone correct me if I'm wrong). If this is true, small wonder the fabricated sections were terrible. The parts of the movie where he stuck to the book were great though. :)

[cassiopeia]

Peter Jackson *did* write and direct Heavely Creatures, a film about two girls who commit a horrible crime. I haven't seen it, but it's meant to be very good. Still, he could have done a lot better in the LOTR.

[Last Child of Ungoliant]

Originally posted by Nurvingiel
Chrys is a better nickname. BTW, you can edit posts by clicking the bottom right button in the post.

All the worst lines are associated with either fabricated plot devices (ie. Theoden's "possession") or completely made up scripts (ie. many of Elrond and Arwen's ridiculous lines).


Chrys isn't a nickname, it is my name!!
& thnx for tip on editing!!
:D

[Gerbil]

I never thought that Theoden was under a spell of Grima's.
He was simply 'old', and like Denethor, succumbing to the pressures of his time. Combined with Grima poisoning him (to enhance his dotage) and always whispering in his ear about his fears, he basically 'controlled' Theoden.
I don't believe there was actual 'magic' involved.

[Ascal Elessar]

"Looks like meat's back on the menu, boys!"

That line has always made me cringe. Would an orc even know what a menu is?

[Nurvingiel]

Originally posted by Last Child of Ungoliant
Chrys isn't a nickname, it is my name!!
Whoops! :D Well it's a nice name.


I always imagined that though Theoden was getting older, he was still quite fit, a good warrior, and a strong leader. Like everyone he had weaknesses, and Grima would capitalize on them cleverly. He was also in a good position to do so since he was intelligent and trusted by Theoden (since he had always given good advice).
Each time Theoden, after a hard day's riding for example, said "I'm tired" or "My knee is sore" or whatever, Grima would respectfully tell him that he should rest, with the subtle undertone of saying he's too old for such activities. Theoden would come to believe this over time, and through inactivity, actually become out of shape for fighting.
When Gandalf got rid of Grima and gave him his sword, he realized that Saruman was a traitor, and that his people were in danger. He resolved, that even if he was too weak and would die in battle, that he would gain safety, and if possible, victory, for his people. This determination gave him the drive to fight again, and in doing so, he found out that he wasn't too old after all.

[azalea]

Yes, I think it's one example of Tolkien's brilliance -- in writing that subplot, he was showing the reader the "power" of words, which of course Tolkien believed in greatly. I believe that Grima's words weren't "magic," but having been under the tutelage of Saruman, whose voice does hold "magical" powers, he would certainly have learned some technique. Add to that a man's own complaisance when faced with difficult decisions, his need to be comforted and told he's doing the right thing when he wishes to avoid conflict (and by allowing this, feeling justified in his choices), and you have a character who, though "good," is helping the side of evil by hiding his head in the sand, or rather, allowing it to be hidden.
It is only through the intervention of Gandalf, again, through his power with words, NOT "magic," that Theoden's heart is kindled, enflaming his spirit to battle the enemy. Interesting, isn't it, that Gandalf's gift is to light a flame in the heart, causing one to care so deeply about something that you are driven to fight or act in what way you can to help the cause, whereas Saruman's gift with words is the opposite, lulling people, calming them. We desire calm, we don't like conflict, but it is only through conflict that evil may be overcome. Tolkien made it backwards from how we might think, instead of the "good" one calming hearts, it is the one on the side of evil. Fascinating. :)

[Last Child of Ungoliant]

Originally posted by Gerbil
I never thought that Theoden was under a spell of Grima's.
He was simply 'old', and like Denethor, succumbing to the pressures of his time. Combined with Grima poisoning him (to enhance his dotage) and always whispering in his ear about his fears, he basically 'controlled' Theoden.
I don't believe there was actual 'magic' involved.

I was not suggesting that there was any majic, i merely chose the term 'spell' to represent any ill spoken words of Grima, whilst working for the good of Saruman, this is where tolkien truly shows his mastery as a scholar of the english language!

[Mango]

How bout not one single line, but a whole concept? Arwen dying? Her life suddenly and mysteriously connected to the fate of the ring? Even though she'd never had any contact with it? Blue washed close ups of her prone on some low laying couch surrounded by dead leaves?

Perhaps there was a part of the book I'm simply forgetting. Perhaps there is a perfectly legitimate reason for every one to stand around and look constipated while Liv tosses and turns and moans and sighs.

Perhaps. But if there was, PJ did not do a good job of making it clear as to why. I spent the rest of the movie thinking: "What? What? What the flying...? Meh? Neh?"

That is, of course, until Merry began to sing. That scene was brilliant. *Froth*

[Last Child of Ungoliant]

Originally posted by Mango
How bout not one single line, but a whole concept? Arwen dying? Her life suddenly and mysteriously connected to the fate of the ring? Even though she'd never had any contact with it? Blue washed close ups of her prone on some low laying couch surrounded by dead leaves?

Perhaps there was a part of the book I'm simply forgetting. Perhaps there is a perfectly legitimate reason for every one to stand around and look constipated while Liv tosses and turns and moans and sighs.

Perhaps. But if there was, PJ did not do a good job of making it clear as to why. I spent the rest of the movie thinking: "What? What? What the flying...? Meh? Neh?"

That is, of course, until Merry began to sing. That scene was brilliant. *Froth*

it was not arwen dying,
but losing her immortality (The grace of the Valar)
It was in the books
this happens to elves that betroth themselves to a mortal
ex.: Luthien Tinuviel

[azalea]

After seeing it again the other day, I really think it is more than that. Elrond seems to be clearly saying that Sauron's fate is directly linked TO Arwen, and that unless he is destroyed, she personally will die, not just a general statement about "like all mortals." I listened carefully, but I can't remember exactly what he said. However, it is my interpretation that they made it a direct link.

[Aragorn_iz_cool]

They remain young looking until they die, and they certaintly don't start dying the second they lose their immortality.

[Mango]

He (Elrond) said, and I quoteth:

"Arwen's fate is now tied to the ring."

Or something close to, and I took it to mean that if the ring was not destoyed then she would die. PJ did make it clear that she was becoming mortal for love of Aragon. However. That one line bugs me.

[Katie of the Golden Wood]

Okay, not dialogue, but...

The part in Pelannor Fields when the Orc leader (Gothmog?) is telilng everyone to hold their ground when rocks are being fired from Minas Tirith. One comes at him, he steps out of the way at the last minutes and spits on it. Then the beast firing the catapult nearby gives him this bizarre, confused look. I hate that scene.

Katie

[Last Child of Ungoliant]

Originally posted by Katie of the Golden Wood
Okay, not dialogue, but...

The part in Pelannor Fields when the Orc leader (Gothmog?) is telilng everyone to hold their ground when rocks are being fired from Minas Tirith. One comes at him, he steps out of the way at the last minutes and spits on it. Then the beast firing the catapult nearby gives him this bizarre, confused look. I hate that scene.

Katie

I thought that was brilliant, had me roaring with laughter

[Katie of the Golden Wood]

Don't know why I didn't like it...it just seemed like it should be a serious moment. Oh well. :)

Katie

[Last Child of Ungoliant]

Originally posted by Katie of the Golden Wood
Don't know why I didn't like it...it just seemed like it should be a serious moment. Oh well. :)

Katie

sorry, i think a bit of 'comic relief' is good
it also shows how complacent the orcs were that they were going to win, even after the fall of their captain (the witch king)

[hectorberlioz]

Originally posted by Katie of the Golden Wood
Don't know why I didn't like it...it just seemed like it should be a serious moment. Oh well. :)

Katie
dont worry, I hated that scene too.

[Katie of the Golden Wood]

Originally posted by hectorberlioz
dont worry, I hated that scene too.

Haha, I was worried it was just me. :D

Katie

[durin's bane]

I hated it, too. :)

I think all of that worst lines came from Legolas. I think it's the way he says them. To me, Orlando Bloom doesn't make Legolas have a very Elvish voice. He makes it go all deep, so everything he says sounds stupid. Especially when Aragorn and all them were talking in Denthor's chamber about charging the Black Gate, and when Aragorn finishes speaking Legolas lifts up his head, widens his eyes, and says, "A diversion." Brilliant. :rolleyes:

[Last Child of Ungoliant]

yes, makes legolas sound like a stupid git, whereas elves are supposed to have a musical voice

[b.banner]

aragorn:yuo bow to know one that line is really cheesy.