PJ won Golden Globe for Best Director/Howard Shore best soundtrack

[Telcontar]

I'm sure there will quite the debate, but it's still a great recognition to JRR and all those who worked so hard to bring the fantasy to the screen.

Congratulations PJ, and looking forward to winning the Globes best picture, and even more forward to the Oscars.

By the way, congrats to Howard Shore and Annie Lennox, best soundtrack and song. Marvelous job on the music.

[Nurvingiel]

Originally posted by Telcontar
By the way, congrats to Howard Shore and Annie Lennox, best soundtrack and song. Marvelous job on the music.
They deserve it. The soundtrack was very good.

[hectorberlioz]

yeah, I love the soundtrack.
Great job Shore!:D

The best music is in RotK. especiall when it shows the beacons lighted.

[Dúnedain]

I just hope this doesn't mean they won't win the Oscars. The Golden Globe winners don't usually win at the Oscars :(

We will really be able to tell when the Director's Guild Awards are given on February 7th. The majority of the time a director wins at the DGA they win at the Oscar's, so in 2 more weeks we will get a better idea. Here is a link to the research I did about the DGA Awards and Oscar Awards:

http://entmoot.tolkientrail.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9954


The only competition RotK will have in my opinion is Mystic River...

[hectorberlioz]

agreed. everything else is overrated.
and you're right, the oscar best pic winner always chooses a diff BP than the GG's
that sucks:( .

[thranduil]

I wasn't expecting it too win, but he did thank tolkein for writing that novel and gave him recognition.

[GrayMouser]

Originally posted by hectorberlioz
agreed. everything else is overrated.
and you're right, the oscar best pic winner always chooses a diff BP than the GG's
that sucks:( .

??????

Looking over the last ten years, they agreed 70% of the time.

And twice where they disagreed, the Oscar winner won the Golden Gobe Best Picture Comedy/Musical

2002 Oscar: "Chicago"
GG : "The Hours" ; Best Comedy/Musical "Chicago"


1998 Oscar: "Shakespeare in Love"
GG : "Saving Private Ryan";
Best Comedy "Shakespeare in Love"

Only in 1995 did they disagree totally
Oscar: "Braveheart"
GG: "Sense and Sensibility"; Best Comedy "Babe"

[GrayMouser]

Mutually agreed winners

2001: A Beautiful Mind
2000: Gladiator
1999: American Beauty
1997: Titanic
1996: The English Patient
1994: Forrest Gump
1993: Schindler's List

[Twista]

Originally posted by hectorberlioz

The best music is in RotK. especiall when it shows the beacons lighted.

Yeh i though that as well man, you dont really hear the Gondorian theme really until then. Except you do get a little taste of it in FOTR when Gandalf goes and checks the archives. ;)

[gimli7410]

how did cold mountain do, that and mystic river is lotrs biggest competition

[Finrod Felagund]

And you hear thge Gondor theme when Boromir is talking at the Council of Elrond, and in the Osgiliath scene in TTT : EE, but our first real intro is as Pipping and Gandalf ride into the city, but I love the Beacons lighting music too.


oh yeah, RotK won best Picture as well.

[Thorin II]

I didn't realize the AA and the GG agreed so often. That's a good thing! I suspect Mystic River win either Best Director or Best Picture; it's hard to imagine ROTK sweeping both.

[Dúnedain]

Originally posted by gimli7410
how did cold mountain do, that and mystic river is lotrs biggest competition

Cold Mountain was the worst movie I have ever seen! Talk about boring...

Mystic River was very good and I suspect it will be the competition for RotK.

I bet Cold Mountain won't even get an Oscar nomination...

[dawningoftime]

This is something that I found interesting.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2004/01/26/DDGNU4HO9M1.DTL

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by Telcontar
I'm sure there will quite the debate, but it's still a great recognition to JRR
How are the movies a great recognition ot Tolkien? The movies are a huge action sequence with none of the depth that Tolkien has. It's like turning Shakespeare into a children's book.

The fact that Lord of the Rings wom best Drama is laughable.

[Lady Ravyn]

when did it win best drama??? it's a drama? did anyone get "drama" out of it? action -drama maybe, but not box-of-tissues-mascara-running drama! :rolleyes: ;)

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by Lady Ravyn
when did it win best drama??? it's a drama? did anyone get "drama" out of it? action -drama maybe, but not box-of-tissues-mascara-running drama! :rolleyes: ;)

Yup - it won best Drama because they don't have "dumbed down hollywood action flick" as a category.


The epic fantasy won in every category in which it had been nominated. Its haul included best dramatic film and best director. (The Globes separate comedy/musical and drama films in some categories.) "The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King" also won for best original score in a motion picture and best original song.

[gimli7410]

Originally posted by jerseydevil
How are the movies a great recognition ot Tolkien? The movies are a huge action sequence with none of the depth that Tolkien has. It's like turning Shakespeare into a children's book.

The fact that Lord of the Rings wom best Drama is laughable.


u really hate the movies dont you:D :p

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by gimli7410
u really hate the movies dont you:D :p
You just figuring this out now? :p

[Tessar]

Please,

JD doesn't hate the MOVIES. He hates all human life that has anything to do with the movies in any way shape or form, which means YOU buddy.

Yea that's right, you, the person reading this message.


:D

Awww he's just an old softy, give JD a pizza and a glass of ice tea and he'll love you for life so long as he gets to call PJ a word that sounds like 'back'.


Anyways, moving right along; 'here here!'

I can't say that it was a terribly good movie for the BOOKS, but I'll say that as a stand alone those are the best movies I have yet to see ;).

They do a so-so job of showing the books, but it's enough that I enjoy allowing some of the visuals to seep into my ideas of the books.

[Telcontar]

Originally posted by Jersey Devil - You just figuring this out now?C'mon give credit where it's due. I think you're just keeping your harsh stance because you've played up this harshly critiquing character so long, you'd feel you can't back down now or look like a fool. It's okay to just say, ok, I didn't like the movies, but hey, maybe they might be okay if they've been nominated to prestigious awards. It might not be the best movie ever, but it still will go down as one of the most epic ever, alongside Braveheart, Spartacus, Ten Commandments, Gladiator, and a few others. It might not be a drama like Cold Mountain, or Beautiful Mind, etc., but it is an epic drama. That still counts as being in the drama category and not in any other.

Anyway, I like that PJ's first comment was his recognition of "Professor" Tolkien, not just Mr. Tolkien. I think that was a well put title to enlighten people that he wasn't just some cooky author that made a fantasy book. Plus, this whole experience (movies, etc) has shown the world and sparked an interest to read not only his LOTR collection, but the other works as well.
If that is the best thing that these movies did, then so be it cause I think despite the differences it still brings honor to a great author.

You can respond and belittle me with banter, but I won't need to. I am also trying not to change any of your minds with MY opinion.:cool:

[Gerbil]

Congrats to Howard Shore and Annie Lennox.
Lennox has a truly amazing voice and I've loved her music since Eurythmics day - maybe more nippers will explore her music now :)

As for Howard Shore, he's the one man I have nothing but respect for left out of the whole LotR production peeps. His 'vision' alone remains true to the LotR myth, and I can't listen to the music but fail to be transported to imaginary visions of Middle Earth (or the occasional film vision where PJ IMO actually got it right).

Now possibly this is because he's in the fortunate position of not having any precedent. For visuals, Tolkien did the odd illustration, but more importantly he's a fantastic descriptionist (if there be such a word), which means much of the work for PJ was already done. This was not true for music of course, so it's impossible to compare the music to any that Tolkien imagined.

But, the music is perfect most of the time (just a few crap bits, but they are mostly unique bits, like the theme for Shelob, obviously horror was the angle PJ was going for, but fortunately it doesn't affect either the previous or next track), and indeed if Tolkien himself were alive today, I honestly think it's the one part of the whole film shenanigans he'd pay attention too with delight and wonder, as if discovering a new side to the history he created - that of another observer in another place.

I'm trying to suss out the order of preference for the soundtracks, but realised when TTT came out that was my fave, and now RotK is out that's my fave, so it's probably more to immediate memory of the film / context than actual quality of track.

So, basically, I'm just going to burn them all to a CD and stick random on and enjoy them!

If PJ had done half as good a job with the story as Shore did with the music, we wouldn't be arguing about 'best director / adaptation / picture' etc.

[gimli7410]

Originally posted by jerseydevil
You just figuring this out now? :p


no you just hate them with a passion, i didnt think this much:p

[Victoria]

:D award or no award for Peter Jackson and the movie....we all know that the Trilogy was movie history in the making...that's wht we're all so enamored with the movies....the movies and PJ as well as the cast and crew are all winners in their own right for having gone through so much just to make this movie successful....:D

[Telcontar]

Originally posted by Victoria award or no award for Peter Jackson and the movie....we all know that the Trilogy was movie history in the making...that's wht we're all so enamored with the movies....the movies and PJ as well as the cast and crew are all winners in their own right for having gone through so much just to make this movie successful....Very good point Victoria. I couldn't have said it better myself.

But one more thing, this wouldn't be at all possible without the man, the myth, the legend, JRR Tolkien.:cool:

[Gerbil]

the movies and PJ as well as the cast and crew are all winners in their own right for having gone through so much just to make this movie successful.... That's a bit sweeping. It's quite clear you are a fan, and as such have moved from the 'it's great because XYZ' to 'it's great because it exists'.
This isn't exactly objective, and certainly won't count for much come awards time.
I must admit, I think PJ is a winner - he's won tons of money churning out dumbed down storylines and rubbish characterisation with lovely visuals, and convinced us to go see it.
I often found it funny that they said they weren't doing a film for the fans - I think the exact quote was 'it's not a film for the fans, but it's made by fans'. Which is possibly the biggest lie since Clinton said he'd never touched a certain Ms Lewinski :)
He's not a great achiever - give any director / crew 300 million and 3 years, and they'll all happily go off and create something decent (given the sheer strength of the source material that even PJ couldn't destroy).
The winners, if there are any, are New Line.
I certainly wouldn't consider myself a winner - I've invested large amounts of time and money in this story, that started strong with FotR and went downhill from there. Sure the fights are cool, and I'm a sucker for them - but storywise the films are unecessary oversimplification, but with the additional baggage of PJ and Co's screenplay writing egos determined to stamp their own mark on it.
Great films, but they certainly don't embody the story or many of the themes of the book, which should have been EXACTLY what they tried to capture.

[ethuiliel]

Congrats to Howard Shore and Annie Lennox. They deserved it.

Wasn't Into the West a beautiful song?